Guest guest Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Dear Learned one, Hare Krishna. May you find this in rising above the three mode of material nature. As any one can understand the frustration of Mr.Sundeep Suri by posting his message and concern for what ever reason he might have had. None of us have any control over it. It is not a question of discredit or defamation to this divine science of Astrology but to its practitioner's limitation of performance due to the various reasons such as not verifying the accuracy of the time of birth and so on. For example, a world class performer may fail during ones' performance for any reason. It does not mean that he was not qualified. I think it would be helpful not only to the consulting person, in this case Mr.Suri, but to all the concerned people involved including Pandit TATA ji to ask Mr.Suri's birth data with main events in order to help this person instead of getting emotionalized over this issue all over the world wide web by accusing and challenging any body and every body. Let's keep in mind that we, HUMAN species make mistake. This is the imperfection, we all try to work at it. If Mr.Sundeep Suri receives this message and is willing to post his birth data, the help is on the way. THE ASTROLOGY IS THE VITAL TOOL OF KNOWING OUR DESTINY AND ITS' PURPOSE IS TO DEVELOP SUCH LOVE OF GOD PROGRESSIVELY IF GUIDED PROPERLY BY THE COMPETENT ASTROLOGER. OM TAT SAT. HARI BOL......WITH MY BEST WISHES.....................................AMAR PURI. >"Pandit S.P.Tata" <sptata >gjlist >, gjlist, >, satva, >astrologygroup >[GJ] Good bye to your group >Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:30:43 -0700 > > >Dear Tanvir, > >This has reference to your attached message, where by you did not >approve my reply and explanation for posting. > >As a group owner/moderator you have the right to criticize a group >members posting contents, and you did it in the group messaging. I too >have a right to give a reply/explanation to your criticism it in the >group message board. However you denied me that. > >Yours is a moderated group and you are the owner & moderator. So my >1st message was seen and approved by you for posting. After that you >wrote a nicely worded criticizing lecture about my intensions (as you >presumed them) and posted it in the message board. After that you >allowed several group members to post messages praising you and >denouncing me. But when I gave the reply with reasons you blocked it. >From this it is obvious that your intensions are to project yourself >as some kind of a fair-minded peacemaker. What is worse is that you >and your group members accuse me of vested interests. > >The basic fact involved is that, in an astrology group Mr. Sudeep Suri >behaved in an unprofessional manner and wrote about a fellow >traditional Vedic astrologer – Sanjay Rath - in a sarcastic and >insulting manner and I objected to it on the professional ethics >grounds. Yes while writing that my intensions are professional ethics >and not because of any personal connection with Rath, I definitely >overdid it by mentioning his police case and I am sorry about the >slip. But you and the others in the group dint lift a finger at Sudeep >Suri but started accusing me of all kind of things. The result is that >he is now writing more crap about other famous astrologers in his >messages. In the next posting what he wrote about a reputed >astrologers like K.N.Rao and Dr.Chaturvedi is both shocking and >disgusting. >this is the kind of shameless things he is writing now --- > >- - "Look at DR Chaturvedi of Lal bahadur Shastri academy in Delhi , >I consulted him in Dec 2003, The FAT, UNCOUTH FELLOW arrogantly wrote >his predictions to me HE WAS A JOKE"--- This just about short of Ma >Behen ki…. type gali. > >Anyone is free to like or dislike an astrologer and free to criticize >their methods, knowledge and predictions etc. But when you run these >groups wit a lot of Dholak about tradition, culture and Vedic heritage >etc., one would expect that the discussion would take place in a >decent language and in a civilized manner. Not in this kind of >language. Its not a prono site where you can write vulgar stuff. >Fellows like him get away with it because group owners pay lip service >to promoting astrology, but when reputed traditional Vedic astrologers >of India are insulted like this in public forums, you don’t have the >guts to straighten out the fellow insulting them, and what is more you >criticize people like me who object to his nonsense. Most of the group >owners ride the Vedic astrology bandwagon and try to become cult >gurus. It definitely suites their purpose when reputed astrologers are >brought down. > >I appreciate the fact that a young Bangladesh Muslim boy is taking so >much interest in Vedic astrology. You are young enough to be my son in >age. So let me give you 2 pieces of advice on this friendship day. > >1.You have a good chart, which holds good promise. But part of the >future is in our own hands and depends on our actions. That’s the >karma part – whether you take the right turn or the left one. And when >you take the turn, make sure that your vision is not clouded by >misplaced intentions and wrong judgments due to inexperience. >2. Day in and day out, our life is merged in the prosaic and banal >mundane details and has nothing of no significance to offer. One >rarely gets any chances to display any great acts of heroism, self- >sacrifice, and bravery etc. But once in a while you do get a chance or >two to do something positive. Nothing great really but a few small >things. Like picking up an injured man from the roadside or shooing >off the eve teaser or kicking away the roadside dada harassing an old >man. When you get a chance like that stand up and act like a man. >Because if you don’t, the society will not improve and soon the >ruffians will rule. Apart from that, no matter what others know or say >you’ll go down in your own esteem. > >What you and the other group members think or say will not make any >difference to me because I did what I sincerely believed is the right >thing to say. But I write this to you because I have visited your >Dhaka several times and was very sad to see the amount of poverty >there. Its really heart breaking to see 13-14 years old girls who are >divorced and working as child labor in garment factories. Even worse >is the plight of the ones who illegally cross the border and work as >servants and live in fear of being caught. If youngsters like you >learn to stand up and fight, things will definitely improve. > >After this mail I am unsubscribing to your group. > >Attached bellow is the discussion thread. > >7/31/2004 06:15:18 -0000 >"Tanvir Chowdhury" <lord_narayana >"Pandit S.P.Tata" <sptata >Message not approved: Re mudslinging at Sanjay Rath All >headers > > > > > > Dear Tanvir Chowdhury & Tatvam-asi, > > I find your remarks both out of place and funny to say the least > > because both of you are throwing accusations at me based on > > presumptions. > > > > Firstly: What Mr. Sudeep Suri posted in the group is downright > > sneering, sarcastic and insulting to a fellow astrologer. No one, > > repeat no one, bothered to say anything and I am the only one who > > objected to this nonsense. Being a practicing astrologer I felt > > strongly about it and I gave him a piece of my mind and I also made >my > > intentions quite clear when I said > > "I sincerely request all group members to refrain from this kind >of > > mudslinging sarcasm." It is plain simple English. > > > > And in return for that I get accused of CIA & KGB type double- > > dealings!! > > > > Secondly: I have email addresses/lists separated group wise, and on > > this instance I sent it to my astrology groups list. I felt that my > > protest at this kind of mudslinging at astrologers applies to all. >I > > don't think I committed a crime or a human rights violation or any > > group laws. > > > > Thirdly: The purpose of the second line I wrote was to make it >clear > > that my intensions are professional ethics and not because of any > > personal connection with Rath. Yes I definitely overdid it by > > mentioning the police case and I am sorry about the slip. > > > > Forthly: Though I live in Delhi now, I was born and studied in >Orissa, > > from where Sanjay Rath comes, and have a soft corner for the Oriya > > people. We read a wonderful Oriya poem in school, which is worth > > mentioning here in this case: > > "Mote dishoyi akashoro tara, tumoku dishoyi ondhakaro > > Mote dishoyi pokhoriro podmo, tumoku dishoyi ponko" > > > > Freely translated it means: > > "On a moonless night I see the glittering stars but you see only > > darkness > > When near a pond I see the lovely lotus flower but you see only the > > mud" > > > > Lastly: Now this Sudeep Suri is indulging in more mudslinging in >the > > Vedic-astrology groups at K.N.Rao, and much worse about another > > astrologer by saying - "Look at DR Chaturvedi of Lal bahadur >shastri > > academy in Delhi , I consulted him in Dec 2003, The FAT, UNCOUTH > > FELLOW arrogantly wrote his predictions to me HE WAS A JOKE" – I >will > > not write anything this time. I hope you can do something. Or do >you > > want to keep quite by saying, "the murder of astrology is not in my > > house" and keep quite?! > > With regards > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > -------- >--- > > > > > > Dear Chi.Tanveer, > > You have rightly remarked about the double purpose of the gentleman >in > > question to spread the word about Mr.Rath's failure in > > prediction.There is a different purpose of the gentleman in >question > > about his real intentions. > > People sometimes say something but Mean something else. > > If the gentleman in question is so much concerned, he should have > > written to dissatisfied client of Chi.Sanjay Rath. > > Such act is much worse than the original post made by Mr.Sudeep >Puri. > > Your sentiments are seconded. > > > > Tatvam-asi > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > Hello Mr. Tata, > > > > I appreciate your concern about your opinion that the private paid > > reading should not be discussed in public. It is good to see that >one > > astrologer hopes that another astrologer would get the fairness he > > deserves. Today the world of astrology is a mess since astrologers > > from different schools envy each other. So your fairness and just >is > > appreciated in this regard. > > > > However, there are also facts in your post that I do not appreciate > > at all. The complaint was made in another list, and it is enough >when > > you protest it right there. However, you have made replies to the > > post to other lists, where even the original post did not appear, > > such as Gjlist, and this list. So what is the point of replying to > > these lists? Only people of the Vedic-Astrology list would know >this, > > seeing the post. But when you have replied to other lists, where >even > > the original posts did not appear, you actually helped the person >to > > announce it even better. > > > > There is no reason in this post to reply here because even the > > original post was not posted here. Rather this is to announce the > > complaint even better. > > > > Also you have pulled in the topic of police cases out of all >sudden, > > out of a stream. He did not mention it anywhere it is you who is > > mentioning it. > > > > So what you did, is rather a better announcement of it than > > protesting it. This is noted, so please do not repeat such > > performances in this list again. No need to reply posts those were > > posted in another list. > > > > Thanks, > > Tanvir. > > > > > > , "Pandit S.P.Tata" > > wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Sudeep Suri, > > > > > > As a professional astrologer I find the enclosed mail by you to > > Sanjay > > > Rath (regarding the failure of his prediction in your case) in >very > > > bad taste. > > > > > > First of all let me make it very clear that I have never met >Sanjay > > > Rath, I am not his student and I am not his follower -especially > > in > > > view of his running away from Delhi to avoid police arrest in his > > > famous fraud case. > > > > > > However I do not appreciate your parading his prediction failure >in > > > public. Astrologers maintain client privacy and don't talk about > > > questions asked or advise given. If Sanjay Rath discusses your > > private > > > sex life in public you'll not like it. Similarly we astrologers > > also > > > expect some fairness from the people to whom we give predictions. > > > > > > The Vedic astrology principles given by our ancient seers are r > > 100% > > > true. It is we astrologers whose knowledge has its limitations. >We > > > don't have the spritual Divya Gyan of our ancients. As there are > > > millions of combinations to study, its impossible to be 100% >right > > for > > > any astrologer. I have been practicing Vedic astrology for more > > than > > > 20 years, studied more than a couple of dozen astrology sashtras, >I > > > run my own astrology website - www.astrojyoti.com - I am >fortunate > > to > > > have a relative like the world famous astrologer K.N.Rao to guide > > me > > > whenever I seek advise, but in spite of all that am only about >75% > > > correct. There are those 25% predictions, which do go wrong. The > > day > > > we are 100% right we'll be in heaven with Rishi Bhrigu and Rishi > > > Parashara and not here. > > > > > > With thousands of the best scientists working and after spending > > > billions of US$, NASA can't guarantee its satellites. The doctors > > make > > > wrong diagnosis even after cat scans and dog scans, the bridges > > built > > > by engineers crash and the accountants and financial advisers to > > > nations flop frequently to cause economic crashes. But their > > > professions and their sciences are not questioned. But the moment > > an > > > astrologer fails people are willing to indulge in sarcastic > > > mudslinging in public. > > > Just a decade ago our doctors and the medical bureaucrats were > > openly > > > ridiculing Ayurveda. But once the Yankees got on to it and >started > > > patenting our formulae, we have an alternate medicine dept. and > > sing > > > international songs about our cultural heritage. I suppose our > > press > > > and public will recognize Vedic astrology only when Harvard > > University > > > starts teaching it!! > > > > > > I am sure you have received some correct predictions also from >some > > > astrologers. Have you acknowledged them in public like this? > > > > > > I sincerely request all group members to refrain from this kind >of > > > mudslinging sarcasm. > > > With regards > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > > > - > > > sudeep suri > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:37 PM > > > [vedic astrology] TO SANJAY RATHJI > > > > > > DEAR SANJAY RATH JI MAHARAJ > > > Reference my astrological consultation with you on 29 JAN 2004 >VIA > > > telephone.After the consultation you sent me an audio casette of > > > predictions(OUR TAPED CONVERSATION ). > > > > > > NOW 6 months down the line I find that all your predictions are > > > incorrect.Your most important prediction was that in MAY 2004 in > > KETU > > > pratyantar I will get something fantastic and that in JULY 2004 I > > will > > > be in USA. Sir JULY is finished I am in INDIA and I never got > > anything > > > FANTASTIC as you mentioned in MAY 2004. > > > > > > I am wondering WHY YOU HAVE GONE WRONG because you took lot of > > pains > > > to explain the astrological reasoning behind it.So DOES THIS MEAN > > > ASTROLOGY IS NO SCIENCE OR YOUR REASONING AND ANALYSIS IS >INCORRECT > > I > > > WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW. > > > REGARDS > > > SUDEEP > > > > > > > > ~! 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