Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Dear ALL, SUB: JANMA LAGNA and BIRTH - clarification Perhaps this a sanskrit verse can clear the doubt: Kritetvadhana lagnam tu tretayam pum-savanam tatha l Dwapare shirodayam syat kalau BHOOPATANAM smritam ll which means the LAGNA or the ascendant is taken as Garbadhana (Conception) moment in KRITA/SATYAYUGA, Pum-Savana(sex change to male) moment in TRETAYUGA, Shirodaya(Baby's head out moment) in DWAPARAYUGA and Bhoo-patana(Ground touch moment) of the baby in KALIYUGA. So now,the ground touch or complete birth (NOT CUTTING OF UMBILICAL CORD) is the moment to be considered, which is complete coming out of baby and touching any EARTHY article, may be bed. Cutting of umbilical cord may or may not be before the ground-touch. Even though umbilical cord is attached..baby starts respiration as soon as it comes out and cries, which makes it a separate and independant entity. Some argue that Pumsavana of TRETA-YUGA matters only for males and so is faulty.But a different version gives JALODAYAM instead of Pumsavanam(tretayam jalodayam tatha) ie the rupture of watery bag around the baby before the birth allowing it to breathe. I guess that the latter is correct! When the birth doesnot happen through the birth canal(YONI), such a baby whether caesarean or anything else is called AYONIJA (Na yoner janma yasya tat) and there are many combinations given for AYONIJA births in classical texts. Hope you find them useful! yours, KAD -- In gjlist, "Noel" <sattva@p...> wrote: > Thanks Nitin.... That makes sense..... Noel... > > Noel Gilbert > Counselor > Body, Mind & Soul > LifeStyle Counselor > Ayurveda - Herbalism > Nutrition - Medical Astrology > > > > Nitin [astronitin] > Monday, August 09, 2004 10:14 AM > gjlist > [GJ] #2 Birth > > Dear Noel, > > Consider the birth as a separate entity when the child is no longer a > part of the Mother - i.e. the cutting of the umbilical chord. > > This should be hinted at with either Rahu or Ketu influencing the > Navamsa of the Lagna of the new-born's chart. > > Hope this helps. Take care. > > Nitin. > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > Hi .my daughter is going to have a scissoring on September the 30th > at 7:45 > Am. > > My question is when the baby is taken by surgery instead of the > natural > birth how does the ancient seer's look at it. Can you erect a chart > from > this point? Any info on this would be appreciated .... Thanks ... > Noel. > > > > > > Noel Gilbert > > Counselor > > Body, Mind & Soul > > LifeStyle Counselor > > Ayurveda - Herbalism > > Nutrition - Medical Astrology > > > > > > : gjlist- > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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