More Considerations of Saturn, Marriage and Relationship - East AND West

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More Considerations of Saturn, Marriage and Relationship - East AND

West

 

Thu, May 13, 2004

 

I've received a good number of emails from people offering their

views on my recent thoughts on the question and role of Saturn in

Marriage and Relationship. I'd like to take the time out now to

respond to those comments and concerns with the following thoughts.

 

While it is true that at one time here in the West - and America

specifically - people could and did indeed marry young (under the

age of 25, in some cases, WELL under that age) and stayed together

for many years. In some cases, the marriages lasted 50 years or

longer. But I think, from an astrological point of view, there is a

heavy reason for this.

 

I think if you go back and research the average person who married

at such an early age and remained in their marriage for so long,

you'll find that in most cases, they got married BEFORE Uranus

entered Libra (Tropical zodiac, Western system). My own Mom (Peace

Be Upon her) married my Dad not long after I was born, in April of

1969 (actually, they married on April 1, 1969; I was only a few

months old then, having been born in Dec of 68) at the age of 19 and

remained so until my Dad's death in 1998. Additionally, there was a

LARGE age difference between my parents; my Mom, like I said, was

19, while my Dad (actually step-dad) was 35 at the time. Uranus had

just entered Libra at the time they married, but again for the most

part, most people who married at such a young age usually did so

before this planet made an ingress into the sign of marriage and

relationships, Libra.

 

But this transit brought along with it massive changes in the Social

Order - Abortion became legal, the Women's Movement took strong hold

over the nation, and the No-Fault Divorce became the order of the

day. More and more people, after Uranus entered Libra, got divorced,

or never got married at all. More and more women had children

without benefit of marriage, and many men too no longer felt

obligated to marry the women they got pregnant. Sexual (and

Reproductive) freedom was deemed to be a Right, not a privilige, and

so it went.

 

Keep in mind that Libra is Saturn's exaltation sign...Uranus is

the "cousin" of Saturn, in that they are linked to the dual

rulership of Aquarius. Saturn's traditional rulership of this sign

represented in a way the Old Order...while Uranus' new rulership

heralded the New Order. Saturn, in any chart, in any Society,

represents the laws and customs and norms that hold that Society

together; Marriage imposed limits on one's sexual freedom to the

extent that it was no longer possible to just bed down many women

without censure, rebuke or worse; women could not simply have any

and all lovers she chose; all of this was done to ensure the orderly

running of Society. In fact, if you all will recall, Saturn's

transit thru Libra, in the early 1950s, represented the height of

the "Ozzie and Harriet" era - the romanticization of family,

marriage and stable society. Of course, this was not the case, but

it was a firm ideal to which many Americans strived, have come out

from under the horrors of WW2 (and, keep in mind please, that Saturn

conjuncted idealistic - and oftentimes delusional - Neptune in the

same sign, Libra).

 

I was born on Dec 2, 1968 - Uranus in Libra, conjunct Jupiter.

Millions of people, both worldwide and particularly for this

discussion, here in the USA, were also born during the seven-year

trek of Uranus in that sign. I personally know lots and lots of

people with the same placement. I do not ANY who have married at or

around the same age as my Mom and who have stayed together even ten

years. The vast majority of the people in this age group I do know,

who have married, have either divorced, or are married in name only.

The New World Order is here alright, and, sad to say, we ain't going

back.

 

It's very interesting that I write these words as Saturn moves thru

Cancer - talk about "traditional, Family Values", LOL. And,

recently, there has been yet another chorus from the more

conservative elements of our Society who argue a return to the good

ole days. But, like I said, I don't think that will happen.

 

Our society has far too much invested in individualism, freedom to

the exclusion of everything else, and consumption - which, in this

case, would mean in terms of sexual gratification. Please consider

the very strong Uranus in the Gemini rising chart of the USA (who,

by the way, does indeed have Saturn in Libra!-conjunct the national

Sun in Cancer. Family Values.). While we talk a mean game about such

ideals, the harsh reality is that we are at best, a shadow of those

ideals.

 

According to the most recent studies and surveys, more and more

Americans are waiting to get married at older ages than at any other

time in US history. Women, having won substantial rights over the

past 3 decades, now pursue education and other forms of job

training, and have decided to put more emphasis on their careers

before having children. And with the "Shotgun Wedding" now a thing

of the past, men do not have to consider what could happen if they

get a women pregnant and not marry her. If I recall, the national

average age for marriage now is close to 30 - 28, I think. In

another 10 to 20 years, it is reasonable to assume that age could

move up as much as ten full years.

 

So, I think, in the West, Saturn matters greatly in this question of

marriage and relationship, because of the inherent freedoms, good

and bad, our Society represents. Only Saturn can bring the wisdom

and patience needed to enter into such a social contract

successfully.

 

Now, as far as Indian Society is concerned, there are indeed major

differences, even now in modern day India. But even still, its

awesome astrological system recognizes the role Saturn can play as

well.

 

It is known as Punarbhu, which is the aspect, or association

(conjunction by sign, not specific degree orb) of the Moon and

Saturn in the chart, while one of them rules or is in the 7th house.

There is a variety of ways technically to assess this, but the basic

meaning here is that an intended marriage is suddenly broken off

before the wedding can happen. It usually takes place before the age

of 30 (there's Saturn Return's "magic number" again), and,

classically, in the charts of females. Nowadays, it can occur in

either gender's chart.

 

In today's more psychological view, Punarbhu can manifest itself in

terms of fears and immaturity that surfaces in the native's mind as

he or she really realizes what they are about to undertake...and

break it off before the appointed time comes. There are other ways

in which this can manifest, and I have written about this more

extensively elsewhere. But the above gives one a good idea as to

what to expect from this combination in these days and times, even

in modern day India.

 

And then there's the dreaded, but little fully understood, Kuja

Dosha, the so-called "Blemish of Mars". Mars, being an argumentative

and potentially violent planet, does not bode well for marriage if

placed in certain areas (Houses) of the Vedic chart. When it does

occur, however, one of the more commonly mentioned remedies to

handle this state of affairs, is for the native to wait until after

his or her 30th birthday to marry. This is because, from a Vedic

astrological point of view, Mars is said to "mature" between 28 and

30 years of age; having done so, the passions have mellowed

somewhat, and the native is more likely to enter into relationships

and marriage with a more cooler head.

 

Again, "30" is mentioned again!-and look at the connection,

classically, between Mars and Saturn. Mars is exalted in Capricorn,

Saturn's sign, while Saturn is in its fall (and debilitated, in the

Vedic system) in Aries, Mars' sign. The clash of hot and cold,

ot "stop" and "go" is ever present. Time focuses Mars' awesome

energies, while Ego diminishes Saturn's wisdom. There has to be

a "meeting of the minds" here - yet another reason why marriage

tends to go better if the people involved have a bit of experience

under their belt and can make decisions with a more clear head

(Mars=head).

 

Since I'm on the point of Mars and Saturn, one thing I have seen a

great deal over the years, is how the two planets play themselves

out terms of relationship. In a woman's chart, I have marvelled at

how often this combination can suggest "man problems"; and in either

gender's chart, this combo can suggest a tendency to make very bad

decisions. If either ties itself into the 7th house and/or Venus in

the chart (Western or Vedic) the results could problematic indeed.

 

Salaam,

Mu