Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Dear Debra You might post the exact details of the question. Different empemerides use different calculations for the nodes, so it is commom for those to be a little different. If you are looking at the Betz ephem and not taking into account the location, that might make a big difference. If you are looking at the ephem calculated for 12 at GMT, the Moon's location may be very different if you are entering a calculation for its location at 12 PST c dqm51 [dqm] Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:24 AM gjlist [GJ] Lahiri Sidereal Time I would like to post this question to the group. Can someone please explain to me how a Lahiri sidereal time calculation can be different from another Lahiri calculation? Example: Goravani software vs. Betz Ephemeris. Thanks, Debra Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Oh, I forgot something.... it is also possible that there is an error in the calculations or in printing.. c O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Hi Cynthia, Goravani uses ACS Worldwide Atlas and Betz uses Universal Time Sidereal midnight. Betz is based on Lahiri and I use Goravani Lahiri. I am not sure what time Goravani uses for Lahiri calculation, but the two are different. Enough to change house and signs. Not only by moon but by lagna. If Goravani uses a different time other than midnight then I am assuming from your response that this is the difference in calculation. If this is so, can you tell me then in your experience or those of the group what sidereal time (midnight, 6am, or noon etc.) is more accurate in calculating a chart. Also, I am aware of the different authors of sidereal calculations (krishnamuriti, fagen, Lahiri etc.) but am confused with a different calculation using Lahiri. Meaning, I thought lahiri was lahiri period. But with your response that I can use the same sidereal author (Lihiri) but get different calculations based on the time that I use, midnight vs noon per say, Can make the difference. Did I get that right? I am driving my Virgo nuts trying to figure this out. Debra gjlist, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak@s...> wrote: > Dear Debra > You might post the exact details of the question. > > Different empemerides use different calculations for the nodes, so it is > commom for those to be a little different. > > If you are looking at the Betz ephem and not taking into account the > location, that might make a big difference. > > If you are looking at the ephem calculated for 12 at GMT, the Moon's > location may be very different if you are entering a calculation for its > location at 12 PST > > c > > > > > dqm51 [dqm@p...] > Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:24 AM > gjlist > [GJ] Lahiri Sidereal Time > > > I would like to post this question to the group. Can someone please > explain to me how a Lahiri sidereal time calculation can be > different from another Lahiri calculation? Example: Goravani > software vs. Betz Ephemeris. Thanks, Debra > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Dear Debra give me the data, I can calculate it on Solar Fire as well as Parashara's light. You can see from the lagna and the Moon what is happening. I'll bet what I come up with will bring it to light. c dqm51 [dqm] Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:43 AM gjlist Re: [GJ] Lahiri Sidereal Time Hi Cynthia, Goravani uses ACS Worldwide Atlas and Betz uses Universal Time Sidereal midnight. Betz is based on Lahiri and I use Goravani Lahiri. I am not sure what time Goravani uses for Lahiri calculation, but the two are different. Enough to change house and signs. Not only by moon but by lagna. If Goravani uses a different time other than midnight then I am assuming from your response that this is the difference in calculation. If this is so, can you tell me then in your experience or those of the group what sidereal time (midnight, 6am, or noon etc.) is more accurate in calculating a chart. Also, I am aware of the different authors of sidereal calculations (krishnamuriti, fagen, Lahiri etc.) but am confused with a different calculation using Lahiri. Meaning, I thought lahiri was lahiri period. But with your response that I can use the same sidereal author (Lihiri) but get different calculations based on the time that I use, midnight vs noon per say, Can make the difference. Did I get that right? I am driving my Virgo nuts trying to figure this out. Debra gjlist, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak@s...> wrote: > Dear Debra > You might post the exact details of the question. > > Different empemerides use different calculations for the nodes, so it is > commom for those to be a little different. > > If you are looking at the Betz ephem and not taking into account the > location, that might make a big difference. > > If you are looking at the ephem calculated for 12 at GMT, the Moon's > location may be very different if you are entering a calculation for its > location at 12 PST > > c > > > > > dqm51 [dqm@p...] > Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:24 AM > gjlist > [GJ] Lahiri Sidereal Time > > > I would like to post this question to the group. Can someone please > explain to me how a Lahiri sidereal time calculation can be > different from another Lahiri calculation? Example: Goravani > software vs. Betz Ephemeris. Thanks, Debra > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > Links Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Hi Cynthia, Thanks so much for you interest and effort. I am a little embarressed to be posting this question since I am not using an Atlas with the ephemeris for location and that propbably is the problem. However, I would appreciate your further investigation into the matter. So, here it goes. Using the following birthdate for an example: 7/3/1985 - 8:16am (DST) - Highland Park, Illinois - I have the following information. Goravani software with ACS Worldwide Atlas: Lahiri ayanamsha 23' 39' 4"; Time zone 6:00; Lat. 42 N 10; Long. 87 W 48. Lagna 21' 50' 60" Cancer; Moon 0' 45' 23" Capicorn; Sun 17' 53' 32" Gemini; Betz Ephemeris - Universal Time (GMT) sidereal Midnight,True Node, Apparent Longitude and Laditude: Lahiri ayanamsha 18' 43' 51"; Sun 17' 21' 54" Gemini; Moon Midnight 23' 51' 5" Sagitarius; Moon Noon 0' 49' 9" Capicorn; Moon North Node 23' 15' 1" Aries; Mercury 11' 7' 5" Cancer; Venus 2' 47' 9" Taurus; Mars 21' 55' 3" Gemini; Jupiter 22' 5' 3" Capicorn; Saturn 28' 13' 9" Libra; Uranus 21' 18' 6" Scorpio; Neptune 8' 20' 5" Sagitarius; Pluto 8' 17' 8" Libra; Moon's Lat S 4' 26' 8" I hope this helps. Thanks Debra gjlist, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak@s...> wrote: > Dear Debra > > give me the data, I can calculate it on Solar Fire as well as Parashara's > light. You can see from the lagna and the Moon what is happening. I'll bet > what I come up with will bring it to light. > > c > > > dqm51 [dqm@p...] > Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:43 AM > gjlist > Re: [GJ] Lahiri Sidereal Time > > > Hi Cynthia, > Goravani uses ACS Worldwide Atlas and Betz uses Universal Time > Sidereal midnight. Betz is based on Lahiri and I use Goravani > Lahiri. I am not sure what time Goravani uses for Lahiri > calculation, but the two are different. Enough to change house and > signs. Not only by moon but by lagna. If Goravani uses a different > time other than midnight then I am assuming from your response that > this is the difference in calculation. If this is so, can you tell > me then in your experience or those of the group what sidereal time > (midnight, 6am, or noon etc.) is more accurate in calculating a > chart. Also, I am aware of the different authors of sidereal > calculations (krishnamuriti, fagen, Lahiri etc.) but am confused > with a different calculation using Lahiri. Meaning, I thought > lahiri was lahiri period. But with your response that I can use the > same sidereal author (Lihiri) but get different calculations based > on the time that I use, > midnight vs noon per say, Can make the difference. Did I get that > right? I am driving my Virgo nuts trying to figure this out. Debra > > > > gjlist, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak@s...> > wrote: > > Dear Debra > > You might post the exact details of the question. > > > > Different empemerides use different calculations for the nodes, so > it is > > commom for those to be a little different. > > > > If you are looking at the Betz ephem and not taking into account > the > > location, that might make a big difference. > > > > If you are looking at the ephem calculated for 12 at GMT, the > Moon's > > location may be very different if you are entering a calculation > for its > > location at 12 PST > > > > c > > > > > > > > > > dqm51 [dqm@p...] > > Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:24 AM > > gjlist > > [GJ] Lahiri Sidereal Time > > > > > > I would like to post this question to the group. Can someone > please > > explain to me how a Lahiri sidereal time calculation can be > > different from another Lahiri calculation? Example: Goravani > > software vs. Betz Ephemeris. Thanks, Debra > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > Links > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 I suspect that the problem you see is the correction for location. I have run the chart using Par. Light. for an example: 7/3/1985 - 8:16am (DST) - Highland Park, Illinois - I have the following information. Goravani software with ACS Worldwide Atlas: Lahiri ayanamsha 23' 39' 4"; same Time zone 6:00; Lat. 42 N 10; Long. 87 W 48. ( same) Lagna 21' 50' 60" Cancer; ( 21:50:50 difference is insignificant) Moon 0' 45' 23" (1:33:44 Cap a difference of almost 1 degree!) Capicorn; Sun 17' 53' 32" (same) Gemini; Betz Ephemeris - Universal Time (GMT) sidereal Midnight,True Node, Apparent Longitude and Laditude: Lahiri ayanamsha 18' 43' 51"; Sun 17' 21' 54" Gemini; Moon Midnight 23' 51' 5" Sagitarius; Moon Noon 0' 49' 9" Capicorn; Moon North Node 23' 15' 1" ( 23:08 insig. probably due to math. calculation for apparant motion) Aries; Mercury 11' 7' 5" Cancer; ( 11:54 Merc. moves about 1 degree per day so that accounts for the difference Venus 2' 47' 9" Taurus; Mars 21' 55' 3" Gemini ( 22:17) ; Jupiter 22' 5' 3"(Jup is retro and I got 22:02 makes sence for the difference) Capicorn; Saturn 28' 13' 9" Libra; Uranus 21' 18' 6" Scorpio; Neptune 8' 20' 5" Sagitarius; Pluto 8' 17' 8" Libra; Moon's Lat S 4' 26' 8" I hope this helps. Thanks Debra gjlist, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak@s...> wrote: > Dear Debra > > give me the data, I can calculate it on Solar Fire as well as Parashara's > light. You can see from the lagna and the Moon what is happening. I'll bet > what I come up with will bring it to light. > > c > > > dqm51 [dqm@p...] > Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:43 AM > gjlist > Re: [GJ] Lahiri Sidereal Time > > > Hi Cynthia, > Goravani uses ACS Worldwide Atlas and Betz uses Universal Time > Sidereal midnight. Betz is based on Lahiri and I use Goravani > Lahiri. I am not sure what time Goravani uses for Lahiri > calculation, but the two are different. Enough to change house and > signs. Not only by moon but by lagna. If Goravani uses a different > time other than midnight then I am assuming from your response that > this is the difference in calculation. If this is so, can you tell > me then in your experience or those of the group what sidereal time > (midnight, 6am, or noon etc.) is more accurate in calculating a > chart. Also, I am aware of the different authors of sidereal > calculations (krishnamuriti, fagen, Lahiri etc.) but am confused > with a different calculation using Lahiri. Meaning, I thought > lahiri was lahiri period. But with your response that I can use the > same sidereal author (Lihiri) but get different calculations based > on the time that I use, > midnight vs noon per say, Can make the difference. Did I get that > right? I am driving my Virgo nuts trying to figure this out. Debra > > > > gjlist, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak@s...> > wrote: > > Dear Debra > > You might post the exact details of the question. > > > > Different empemerides use different calculations for the nodes, so > it is > > commom for those to be a little different. > > > > If you are looking at the Betz ephem and not taking into account > the > > location, that might make a big difference. > > > > If you are looking at the ephem calculated for 12 at GMT, the > Moon's > > location may be very different if you are entering a calculation > for its > > location at 12 PST > > > > c > > > > > > > > > > dqm51 [dqm@p...] > > Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:24 AM > > gjlist > > [GJ] Lahiri Sidereal Time > > > > > > I would like to post this question to the group. Can someone > please > > explain to me how a Lahiri sidereal time calculation can be > > different from another Lahiri calculation? Example: Goravani > > software vs. Betz Ephemeris. Thanks, Debra > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > Links > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > Links Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Thanks Cynthia! I appreciate your input and evaluation. Anyone else that would like to investigate and comment I wouls also appreciate. Interesting subject. Debra gjlist, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak@s...> wrote: > When I check with the Solar Fire program, everything is the same or within a > minute. The Moon is 1 deg. Cap 33 this may depend upon if the program > rounds up for minutes. > > I have made myself crazy over less than this and still do! Perhaps someone > else can solve the riddle of the difference between Goravani and both PL and > SF whose Moon calculations are only 1 minute different. > > smiles > > cynthia > > > > > dqm51 [dqm@p...] > Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:24 PM > gjlist > Re: [GJ] Lahiri Sidereal Time > > > Hi Cynthia, > > Thanks so much for you interest and effort. I am a little > embarressed to be posting this question since I am not using an > Atlas with the ephemeris for location and that propbably is the > problem. However, I would appreciate your further investigation > into the matter. So, here it goes. Using the following birthdate > for an example: 7/3/1985 - 8:16am (DST) - Highland Park, Illinois - > I have the following information. Goravani software with ACS > Worldwide Atlas: Lahiri ayanamsha 23' 39' 4"; Time zone 6:00; Lat. > 42 N 10; Long. 87 W 48. Lagna 21' 50' 60" Cancer; Moon 0' 45' 23" > Capicorn; Sun 17' 53' 32" Gemini; Betz Ephemeris - Universal Time > (GMT) sidereal Midnight,True Node, Apparent Longitude and Laditude: > Lahiri ayanamsha 18' 43' 51"; Sun 17' 21' 54" Gemini; Moon Midnight > 23' 51' 5" Sagitarius; Moon Noon 0' 49' 9" Capicorn; Moon North Node > 23' 15' 1" Aries; Mercury 11' 7' 5" Cancer; Venus 2' 47' 9" Taurus; > Mars 21' 55' 3" Gemini; Jupiter 22' 5' 3" Capicorn; Saturn 28' 13' > 9" Libra; Uranus 21' 18' 6" Scorpio; Neptune 8' 20' 5" Sagitarius; > Pluto 8' 17' 8" Libra; Moon's Lat S 4' 26' 8" > > I hope this helps. Thanks Debra > > > > > gjlist, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak@s...> > wrote: > > Dear Debra > > > > give me the data, I can calculate it on Solar Fire as well as > Parashara's > > light. You can see from the lagna and the Moon what is happening. > I'll bet > > what I come up with will bring it to light. > > > > c > > > > > > dqm51 [dqm@p...] > > Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:43 AM > > gjlist > > Re: [GJ] Lahiri Sidereal Time > > > > > > Hi Cynthia, > > Goravani uses ACS Worldwide Atlas and Betz uses Universal Time > > Sidereal midnight. Betz is based on Lahiri and I use Goravani > > Lahiri. I am not sure what time Goravani uses for Lahiri > > calculation, but the two are different. Enough to change house and > > signs. Not only by moon but by lagna. If Goravani uses a > different > > time other than midnight then I am assuming from your response that > > this is the difference in calculation. If this is so, can you tell > > me then in your experience or those of the group what sidereal time > > (midnight, 6am, or noon etc.) is more accurate in calculating a > > chart. Also, I am aware of the different authors of sidereal > > calculations (krishnamuriti, fagen, Lahiri etc.) but am confused > > with a different calculation using Lahiri. Meaning, I thought > > lahiri was lahiri period. But with your response that I can use > the > > same sidereal author (Lihiri) but get different calculations based > > on the time that I use, > > midnight vs noon per say, Can make the difference. Did I get that > > right? I am driving my Virgo nuts trying to figure this out. Debra > > > > > > > > gjlist, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak@s...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Debra > > > You might post the exact details of the question. > > > > > > Different empemerides use different calculations for the nodes, > so > > it is > > > commom for those to be a little different. > > > > > > If you are looking at the Betz ephem and not taking into account > > the > > > location, that might make a big difference. > > > > > > If you are looking at the ephem calculated for 12 at GMT, the > > Moon's > > > location may be very different if you are entering a calculation > > for its > > > location at 12 PST > > > > > > c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dqm51 [dqm@p...] > > > Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:24 AM > > > gjlist > > > [GJ] Lahiri Sidereal Time > > > > > > > > > I would like to post this question to the group. Can someone > > please > > > explain to me how a Lahiri sidereal time calculation can be > > > different from another Lahiri calculation? Example: Goravani > > > software vs. Betz Ephemeris. Thanks, Debra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > Links > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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