Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Peace & Greetings! Just wanted to say hi and state that after reviewing quite a few posts on archive, I'm looking forward to learning and sharing thoughts with you guys. I can't claim knowledge/experience beyond that of a student, but can definitely make claim to a sincere interest:)... If not inappropriate for a new member, I would like to share my view on a topic covered in quite a few posts; Fate vs Pre/Destiny... Certainly there are elements/conditions to which we are predisposed and/or fated if you will. However, many tend to under value/rate the gift/power of free will. On this issue, I'm a firm believer in Both...Fate is that circumstance in which we find ourselves having little or no control; Destiny is that which we do in spite of it. Example: Two people born permanetely blind: One lives in a world of darkness and succumbs to the darkness in every aspect, the other; although just as blind, becomes a creative and very happy individual. Both were fated/predestined to blindness, both were free to shape their destiny as they will...We will not have control in many situations, we do however, control our reactions and thus our ultimate destiny... heh:) if I haven't worn out welcome already, I would like to solicit input on an opinion I have reached, per different astrological systems. Just as wo/man consists of physical self, mental/egoic self, and that which transcends Both, my (limited) research points to the different astrology systems mimiking same; vedic/sidereal representing the physical, tropical representing the mental/egoic model, and draconic and heliocentric representing that which transcends both. I know that for me, vedic chart shows who I really am vice how I approach things (hope that made sense), and I've also found the vedic chart superior in uncovering/predicting events. Please accept apologies for a novice rambling, and any thoughts would be appreciated/welcome. Peace & Blessings Dale PS can't wait for the new jyotish program, and thank you so much Das for such incredible programs, and such dedicated work in many areas:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Hi, I'm new to the list too. On fate vs. free will, I agree, the free will allows full control over our thoughts and attitudes that guide our actions/reactions that we have full choice of, to accomplish various objectives, but again the outcome of the actions/reactions are not in our control. (as it has many human and natural elements competing to dominate). Astrology helps us discover the nature of the outcome. I have yet to learn how effective are remedial measures in changing the nature of outcomes. I'd appreciate if anyone can indicate resources/books etc. to learn more about these. I Thanks, Anita Dale <szlnscorp wrote: Peace & Greetings! Just wanted to say hi and state that after reviewing quite a few posts on archive, I'm looking forward to learning and sharing thoughts with you guys. I can't claim knowledge/experience beyond that of a student, but can definitely make claim to a sincere interest:)... If not inappropriate for a new member, I would like to share my view on a topic covered in quite a few posts; Fate vs Pre/Destiny... Certainly there are elements/conditions to which we are predisposed and/or fated if you will. However, many tend to under value/rate the gift/power of free will. On this issue, I'm a firm believer in Both...Fate is that circumstance in which we find ourselves having little or no control; Destiny is that which we do in spite of it. Example: Two people born permanetely blind: One lives in a world of darkness and succumbs to the darkness in every aspect, the other; although just as blind, becomes a creative and very happy individual. Both were fated/predestined to blindness, both were free to shape their destiny as they will...We will not have control in many situations, we do however, control our reactions and thus our ultimate destiny... heh:) if I haven't worn out welcome already, I would like to solicit input on an opinion I have reached, per different astrological systems. Just as wo/man consists of physical self, mental/egoic self, and that which transcends Both, my (limited) research points to the different astrology systems mimiking same; vedic/sidereal representing the physical, tropical representing the mental/egoic model, and draconic and heliocentric representing that which transcends both. I know that for me, vedic chart shows who I really am vice how I approach things (hope that made sense), and I've also found the vedic chart superior in uncovering/predicting events. Please accept apologies for a novice rambling, and any thoughts would be appreciated/welcome. Peace & Blessings Dale PS can't wait for the new jyotish program, and thank you so much Das for such incredible programs, and such dedicated work in many areas:) Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- gjlist/ gjlist Your SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 In a message dated 1/25/2004 2:36:35 PM Central Standard Time, anitamishra09 writes: Hi, I'm new to the list too. On fate vs. free will, I agree, the free will allows full control over our thoughts and attitudes that guide our actions/reactions that we have full choice of, to accomplish various objectives, but again the outcome of the actions/reactions are not in our control. (as it has many human and natural elements competing to dominate). Astrology helps us discover the nature of the outcome. I have yet to learn how effective are remedial measures in changing the nature of outcomes. I'd appreciate if anyone can indicate resources/books etc. to learn more about these. I Thanks, Anita Greetings and thank you for welcome and input Anita:) <sticking with philosophy that outcomes are result of our thoughts/actions lol:) Maybe I can be of a little help per your comments/request per remedial measures. First, I highly recommend a visit to this site: _http://astrogems.com_ (http://astrogems.com) This site offers really good information on gemstones in relation to remedial measures, a free stone analyzation based on your chart, as well as great products and prices. I also recommend King Enterprises for info and products: can email for brochure and info at _aldawn_ (aldawn) with RE:Gems as subject line. My recommendations are based on actual experience as I've purchased items from both and am on a rather limited budget. Both offer great prodcts and prices, but the real standout is their support and willigness to be of assistance.. On question of effectiveness I can only judge/state from own experience, and have no question per effectiveness. Will they negate that which is already in motion? I can't state that the answer is yes; however, that they can lessen imapct and make easier to deal with is beyond question...In short i will state that in 94/95, a very good vedic astrologer recommended I purchase a stone for fallen Libra Sun (ruby/garnet and tricky as 12th Lord, but really needed) for current medical problem, and due to a negative prior experience with garnet, I agreed to an alternate (navaratna) which brought a much needed peace & balance. in 96, major sun (heart/vitality/health) issues began hitting hard and while they are permanent, subsequent use of a garnet bangle has made an inmeasurable difference both physically and emotionally. This is extent of my personal experience with vedic remedial measures, and all i can speak on. Hope you find above useful/helpful. Blessings Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 In a message dated 1/25/2004 7:50:42 PM Central Standard Time, christianecameron writes: Hi, I am sorry, but I do not agree at all. As far as I understand and know it is written in various scriptures that the planets, which are called grahas in sanskrit, which means seizers in english, make us perform actions or karmas by influencing, some say perverting, our minds. Free will is therefore extremely limited and can only happen in accordance with our accumuated prarabhda karma which has to be suffered in this life. You are free to take up sadhana, which will help you to suffer your karmas with more detachment, that is all. A good book is "The Greatness of Saturn", that is a translation of Sani Mahatmya, the story of King Vikramaditya by Robert Svoboda. Chris Hi Chris and thanks for input:)...Respectfully, I have to disagree. They impel Not Compel, nor do they Make us Do anything...Although I personally know of many who choose to lay blame on such, rather than self. As my teacher taught me and I agree with, "the vedic chart reveals our inherent karmic patterns for this life (good and bad), and the dashas reveal the timing of release for the specific karmas." Once again; some things we cant control, but we still shape our destiny based on our thoughts/actions, in spite of such... And Yes, The Greatness Of Saturn is a very good book:), which I also highly recommend. Blessings Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Hi, I am sorry, but I do not agree at all. As far as I understand and know it is written in various scriptures that the planets, which are called grahas in sanskrit, which means seizers in english, make us perform actions or karmas by influencing, some say perverting, our minds. Free will is therefore extremely limited and can only happen in accordance with our accumuated prarabhda karma which has to be suffered in this life. You are free to take up sadhana, which will help you to suffer your karmas with more detachment, that is all. A good book is "The Greatness of Saturn", that is a translation of Sani Mahatmya, the story of King Vikramaditya by Robert Svoboda. Chris On Jan 24, 2004, at 18:48, Anita Mishra wrote: > Hi, I'm new to the list too. > > On fate vs. free will, I agree, the free will allows full control over > our thoughts and attitudes that guide our actions/reactions that we > have full choice of, to accomplish various objectives, but again the > outcome of the actions/reactions are not in our control. (as it has > many human and natural elements competing to dominate). Astrology > helps us discover the nature of the outcome. I have yet to learn how > effective are remedial measures in changing the nature of outcomes. > I'd appreciate if anyone can indicate resources/books etc. to learn > more about these. I > > Thanks, > Anita > > > Dale <szlnscorp wrote: > Peace & Greetings! > > Just wanted to say hi and state that after reviewing quite a few > posts on archive, I'm looking forward to learning and sharing > thoughts with you guys. I can't claim knowledge/experience beyond > that of a student, but can definitely make claim to a sincere > interest:)... If not inappropriate for a new member, I would like to > share my view on a topic covered in quite a few posts; Fate vs > Pre/Destiny... Certainly there are elements/conditions to which we > are predisposed and/or fated if you will. However, many tend to under > value/rate the gift/power of free will. On this issue, I'm a firm > believer in Both...Fate is that circumstance in which we find > ourselves having little or no control; Destiny is that which we > do in spite of it. Example: Two people born permanetely blind: One > lives in a world of darkness and succumbs to the darkness in every > aspect, the other; although just as blind, becomes a creative and > very happy individual. Both were fated/predestined to blindness, both > were free to shape their destiny as they will...We will not have > control in many situations, we do however, control our reactions and > thus our ultimate destiny... > > heh:) if I haven't worn out welcome already, I would like to solicit > input on an opinion I have reached, per different astrological > systems. Just as wo/man consists of physical self, mental/egoic self, > and that which transcends Both, my (limited) research points to the > different astrology systems mimiking same; vedic/sidereal > representing the physical, tropical representing the mental/egoic > model, and draconic and heliocentric representing that which > transcends both. I know that for me, vedic chart shows who I really > am vice how I approach things (hope that made sense), and I've also > found the vedic chart superior in uncovering/predicting events. > Please accept apologies for a novice rambling, and any thoughts would > be appreciated/welcome. > > Peace & Blessings > Dale > PS can't wait for the new jyotish program, and thank you so much Das > for such incredible programs, and such dedicated work in many areas:) > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Links > > > gjlist/ > > > gjlist > > Your > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Links > > > gjlist/ > > > gjlist > > Your > > > > Monsoonhouse Int. Kovalam/Kerala contact: christianecameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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