2-[GJ]& Renee, from MarkK, 12/24......re..... Her email.....

[Guest guest]

Dear Renne: Greetings & Merry Christmas!

 

 

 

Talked to Patricia yesterday and she mentioned you and that you might be

going to Chicago for Christmas!..... my mother still lives there, but won't

go this time.... lots of fun and friends in fairfield this year!

 

 

 

 

I wanted to respond to what you've been saying here, in your last email.

(see below)

 

 

One of the greatest things I've learned from Jyotish.....

 

is that each one of us has different charts.

 

When I was younger, I tried to fit everything and everyone into some sort

of neat packages.... and then figure out what was right....etc.

 

But when I discovered Jyotish .... I realized why one person can speak the

'blunt' truth and get away with it....while another can't....

 

Our charts, therefore, are our 'truths'....and jyotish rules, principles...

and discriminations....

 

are all there to explain why, this planet is good, over here, this one over

there...is not....

these are all the as if, divine discriminations of the guru of Jyotish....

 

 

When we learn that these ideas, discriminations and opinions are literally

true, then we see what people 'should' be doing for themselve....

 

But, what I've learned, even though Jyotish has helped me to see this

Wisdom, is that this is still not enough....

 

For each person....then needs to see....these truths, for themselves....

 

and that is why nature does one simple thing...

 

Nature...allows us all to do whatever and exactly what we would like,

 

However, there's one rule....

 

We'll experience the direct consequences of those actions....

 

It's called karma.... and Jyotish explains exactly how our actions from the

past, have literally created our chart, for better or for worse.... even how

those actions will be coming back to us in time....

 

but again....we are still free to deal with our charts, our lives....exactly

how we think best....

 

 

In this Christmas spirit.... Here's Hopeing...that All....come to see

themselves... as Nature sees us....as our Jyotish...'sees' us....

 

and here's Hopeing....that we all come to see....what might be our better

choices and actions....which will after all....serve us the best!

 

 

 

Jai Guru!

 

 

 

On this Hallowed.....Christmas evening...

 

When the Christ was born......

 

 

 

Let's seek to allow the Christ to be born-again....in us!

 

 

 

Love to All:

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

ps.... I write a daily Jyotish Newsletter that all are welcome to

to. Please contact me directly at: m.kincaid to join.

The newsletter is free.

 

 

 

 

> "Renee Serrano" <firecracker

> gjlist

> Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:39:32 -0500

> <gjlist>

> RE: [GJ] Saturn in 10th/Aquarius/1965

>

> Could it be that the 'fixed knowledge' is within some Saturn

> in Aquarius people in the 10th that 'we' don't want to know,

> perceive, hear, think about etc. so 'we' may project on to

> them that it's their fault and not ours?

>

> Some of us prefer outspoken 'to the point' people because

> there are so many deceitful delusional people in the world

> that one gets fed up with the crap. Frankly it's refreshing

> to hear outspoken people in my opinion. There aren't enough

> of them to go around.

>

> Maybe the person's 'fixed knowledge' is something that we

> should learn instead of the other way around.

>

> [you]

> Blunt speaking, even the truth, is not always welcome. Now

> being Saturnine,

> you folks think the truth protects you, and that's true, but

> just being with

> truth is different than being with your village, your

> family, etc.

>

> [me]

> What has being with the truth got to do with being with your

> family, village and so on? Meaning you can't have both???

> And being Saturnine myself, I do not think the 'truth

> protects'. On the contrary...those who speak the truth are

> always targeted and rejected....that's the price they pay

> for speaking the truth. If you can't stand the heat...get

> out of the kitchen.

>

> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything"~~Martin

> Luther King (who paid the price)

>

> [you]

>

> "Sticking to full truth" at all costs and with a blunt mouth

> will get you

> into controversy alright. This world runs on much silence.

>

> [me]

> To me that is sad....sad that the world runs on silence

> while the so called leaders dictate what the 'truth' is.

> Why bother coming here at all if everyone's dead or asleep

> or catatonic? Silence and speech should be balanced and

> that means speaking the truth as well as allowing it to be

> injested and absorbed.

>

> [you]

> Much overlooking

> and silence on many matters is required in this "soul

> hospital". If we

> constantly point out the faults of everything, nothing will

> like us.

>

> [me]

> Speaking the truth may not mean 'pointing out the faults of

> everything'. I seem to recall many leaders I admire that no

> one liked. Oh well....in order to lead an orchestra one has

> to turn one's back on the crowd. I'd rather not be a part

> of the group mentality if it means sacrificing what I

> value....the truth.

>

> IT may be that one man's meat is another man's poison and

> that is fine but I don't think it's right to try to take a

> zebra and turn them into a rabbit simply because you are a

> rabbit. They then are not living authentically and will be

> miserable acting like a duck out of water. Be true to

> yourself.

>

> [you]

>

> There is fixed knowledge about the art of compromise and

> "feeling good".

>

> [me]

> Growth does not necessarily 'feel good'. I hate the feel

> good generation here in America. We ignore all that we do

> out in the world stomping all over other people's sacred

> spaces while we tune out and 'feel good' lying to each

> other.

>

> Compromise to me means two people speak their truth and

> decide on a mutually agreeable avenue of behavior between

> each other. Compromise does not mean giving in...it means

> meshing together in partnership.

>

> [you]

> You may need to learn how to make others "feel good" by

> giving, giving of

> your self, and so many other little ways.

>

> [me]

> One can 'give to others' and still be truthful and honest

> and have some integrity. One thing has nothing to do with

> the other unless you stick your foot in your mouth for

> instance and say something 'insulting' on some mundane level

> "gee that dress is ugly" or "stuffing your face too much

> lately? Your jeans are too tight". Those are obvious

> insults and have nothing to do with truth. So it depends on

> what you mean.

>

> Sometimes it just boils down to two people who do not get

> along no matter what their placements are and who will never

> see eye to eye. I'd rather 'accept' that then to try to

> change that person by pointing a finger at their 10th house

> and laying blame. They have their path and so have I.

>

> Just adding my Saturn in Cap in the 10th two cents

> worth.....

>

> Renee

>

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

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Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]

Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:44 AM

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2-[GJ]& Renee, from MarkK, 12/24......re..... Her

email.....

 

Dear Renne: Greetings & Merry Christmas!

 

 

 

Talked to Patricia yesterday and she mentioned you and that

you might be

going to Chicago for Christmas!..... my mother still lives

there, but won't

go this time.... lots of fun and friends in fairfield this

year!

 

[me]

That's nice but I do not know a Patricia and am here in

Maine. There is no way I would go back to Chicago for all

the tea in China (been there...done that) LOL...no insult

intended. Just MY opinion:o)

 

[you]

I wanted to respond to what you've been saying here, in your

last email.

(see below)

 

[me]

I can hardly wait....

 

Everybody repeat after me . . ."We are all individuals."

~~Anonymous

 

[you]

 

But when I discovered Jyotish .... I realized why one person

can speak the

'blunt' truth and get away with it....while another

can't....

 

Our charts, therefore, are our 'truths'....and jyotish

rules, principles...

and discriminations....

 

[me]

 

 

"If I had my life to live over again, I'd be a plumber."

~~Albert Einstein

 

[you]

 

For each person....then needs to see....these truths, for

themselves....

 

and that is why nature does one simple thing...

 

Nature...allows us all to do whatever and exactly what we

would like,

 

[me]

 

 

"The first thing was, I learned to forgive myself.

Then I told myself, 'Go ahead, do whatever you want, it's ok

by me."

--Jack Handey

 

[you]

 

However, there's one rule....

 

We'll experience the direct consequences of those

actions....

 

It's called karma.... and Jyotish explains exactly how our

actions from the

past, have literally created our chart, for better or for

worse.... even how

those actions will be coming back to us in time....

 

[me]

 

"There is no problem so big that it cannot be run away

from." . . .

"You're quoting Snoopy the dog, I believe?"

"I'll quote the truth wherever i find it thank you."

Richard Bach in his brilliant book Illusions

 

[you]

but again....we are still free to deal with our charts, our

lives....exactly

how we think best....

 

[me]

Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and

irritates the pig. - Khaled

 

[you]

 

 

In this Christmas spirit.... Here's Hopeing...that

All....come to see

themselves... as Nature sees us....as our Jyotish...'sees'

us....

 

and here's Hopeing....that we all come to see....what might

be our better

choices and actions....which will after all....serve us the

best!

 

[me]

"Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness

that created them."

~~Albert Einstein

 

Ta Ta....LOL

 

Renee

 

 

 

Jai Guru!

 

 

 

On this Hallowed.....Christmas evening...

 

When the Christ was born......

 

 

 

Let's seek to allow the Christ to be born-again....in us!

 

 

 

Love to All:

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

ps.... I write a daily Jyotish Newsletter that all are

welcome to

to. Please contact me directly at: m.kincaid to

join.

The newsletter is free.

 

 

 

 

> "Renee Serrano" <firecracker

> gjlist

> Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:39:32 -0500

> <gjlist>

> RE: [GJ] Saturn in 10th/Aquarius/1965

>

> Could it be that the 'fixed knowledge' is within some

Saturn

> in Aquarius people in the 10th that 'we' don't want to

know,

> perceive, hear, think about etc. so 'we' may project on to

> them that it's their fault and not ours?

>

> Some of us prefer outspoken 'to the point' people because

> there are so many deceitful delusional people in the world

> that one gets fed up with the crap. Frankly it's

refreshing

> to hear outspoken people in my opinion. There aren't

enough

> of them to go around.

>

> Maybe the person's 'fixed knowledge' is something that we

> should learn instead of the other way around.

>

> [you]

> Blunt speaking, even the truth, is not always welcome. Now

> being Saturnine,

> you folks think the truth protects you, and that's true,

but

> just being with

> truth is different than being with your village, your

> family, etc.

>

> [me]

> What has being with the truth got to do with being with

your

> family, village and so on? Meaning you can't have both???

> And being Saturnine myself, I do not think the 'truth

> protects'. On the contrary...those who speak the truth

are

> always targeted and rejected....that's the price they pay

> for speaking the truth. If you can't stand the heat...get

> out of the kitchen.

>

> "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything"~~Martin

> Luther King (who paid the price)

>

> [you]

>

> "Sticking to full truth" at all costs and with a blunt

mouth

> will get you

> into controversy alright. This world runs on much silence.

>

> [me]

> To me that is sad....sad that the world runs on silence

> while the so called leaders dictate what the 'truth' is.

> Why bother coming here at all if everyone's dead or asleep

> or catatonic? Silence and speech should be balanced and

> that means speaking the truth as well as allowing it to be

> injested and absorbed.

>

> [you]

> Much overlooking

> and silence on many matters is required in this "soul

> hospital". If we

> constantly point out the faults of everything, nothing

will

> like us.

>

> [me]

> Speaking the truth may not mean 'pointing out the faults

of

> everything'. I seem to recall many leaders I admire that

no

> one liked. Oh well....in order to lead an orchestra one

has

> to turn one's back on the crowd. I'd rather not be a part

> of the group mentality if it means sacrificing what I

> value....the truth.

>

> IT may be that one man's meat is another man's poison and

> that is fine but I don't think it's right to try to take a

> zebra and turn them into a rabbit simply because you are a

> rabbit. They then are not living authentically and will

be

> miserable acting like a duck out of water. Be true to

> yourself.

>

> [you]

>

> There is fixed knowledge about the art of compromise and

> "feeling good".

>

> [me]

> Growth does not necessarily 'feel good'. I hate the feel

> good generation here in America. We ignore all that we do

> out in the world stomping all over other people's sacred

> spaces while we tune out and 'feel good' lying to each

> other.

>

> Compromise to me means two people speak their truth and

> decide on a mutually agreeable avenue of behavior between

> each other. Compromise does not mean giving in...it means

> meshing together in partnership.

>

> [you]

> You may need to learn how to make others "feel good" by

> giving, giving of

> your self, and so many other little ways.

>

> [me]

> One can 'give to others' and still be truthful and honest

> and have some integrity. One thing has nothing to do with

> the other unless you stick your foot in your mouth for

> instance and say something 'insulting' on some mundane

level

> "gee that dress is ugly" or "stuffing your face too much

> lately? Your jeans are too tight". Those are obvious

> insults and have nothing to do with truth. So it depends

on

> what you mean.

>

> Sometimes it just boils down to two people who do not get

> along no matter what their placements are and who will

never

> see eye to eye. I'd rather 'accept' that then to try to

> change that person by pointing a finger at their 10th

house

> and laying blame. They have their path and so have I.

>

> Just adding my Saturn in Cap in the 10th two cents

> worth.....

>

> Renee

>

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> :

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Links

>

>

> gjlist/

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>

> gjlist

>

> Your

>

>

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>

>

>

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>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> :

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Dear Reneeji

 

U R way 2 funny.....thanks for bringing cosmic humor into my life this

morning....dont try and teach a pig to sing as it wastes your time and irritates

the

pig Khaled....totally 2 funny and trying not to fall off chair laughing at

the Truth found in this jewel of wisdom....thanks for your help Mitra

 

Wishing you and Family the Best of Health Happiness Success and Prosperity

 

Dhanyavaad cha Pranams

 

DharmaDev Arya

 

In a message dated 12/27/2003 8:10:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,

firecracker writes:

 

 

> Subj:RE: 2-[GJ]& Renee, from MarkK, 12/24......re..... Her email.....

> Date:12/27/2003 8:10:28 AM Pacific Standard Time

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> Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid]

> Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:44 AM

> gjlist

> 2-[GJ]& Renee, from MarkK, 12/24......re..... Her

> email.....

>

> Dear Renne: Greetings & Merry Christmas!

>

>

>

> Talked to Patricia yesterday and she mentioned you and that

> you might be

> going to Chicago for Christmas!..... my mother still lives

> there, but won't

> go this time.... lots of fun and friends in fairfield this

> year!

>

> [me]

> That's nice but I do not know a Patricia and am here in

> Maine. There is no way I would go back to Chicago for all

> the tea in China (been there...done that) LOL...no insult

> intended. Just MY opinion:o)

>

> [you]

> I wanted to respond to what you've been saying here, in your

> last email.

> (see below)

>

> [me]

> I can hardly wait....

>

> Everybody repeat after me . . ."We are all individuals."

> ~~Anonymous

>