Guest guest Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Hello Bandu I have tried to get along well with someone like you, 1965, Saturn in 10th in Aquarius, for 8 years. It's been very difficult. I've basically given up. My nature is very Jupiterian and their Saturnine. I have come to think that those of you who have this, have this huge and strong Saturn sitting atop your charts for a reason. Then I see he is in the "fixed air" sign. There is only one such sign- Aquarius. Fixed air rules science, or "knowledge which does not change". I think there is some "knowledge which does not change" which karmicly you folks are somehow ignoring, or haven't learned yet, hence Sani sits there and dishes it down upon you. What you said about your life, is totally true about her life as well, problems abound, surrounded by controversy, difficulty in career. I think you folks need to find that fixed knowledge which you haven't learned yet and learn it, and then the problem may lift. In her case, like you, her blunt speaking is to blame. In her case this is from 8th lord Jupiter being in 2 which you might also have. Blunt speaking, even the truth, is not always welcome. Now being Saturnine, you folks think the truth protects you, and that's true, but just being with truth is different than being with your village, your family, etc. "Sticking to full truth" at all costs and with a blunt mouth will get you into controversy alright. This world runs on much silence. Much overlooking and silence on many matters is required in this "soul hospital". If we constantly point out the faults of everything, nothing will like us. There is fixed knowledge about the art of compromise and "feeling good". You may need to learn how to make others "feel good" by giving, giving of your self, and so many other little ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Could it be that the 'fixed knowledge' is within some Saturn in Aquarius people in the 10th that 'we' don't want to know, perceive, hear, think about etc. so 'we' may project on to them that it's their fault and not ours? Some of us prefer outspoken 'to the point' people because there are so many deceitful delusional people in the world that one gets fed up with the crap. Frankly it's refreshing to hear outspoken people in my opinion. There aren't enough of them to go around. Maybe the person's 'fixed knowledge' is something that we should learn instead of the other way around. [you] Blunt speaking, even the truth, is not always welcome. Now being Saturnine, you folks think the truth protects you, and that's true, but just being with truth is different than being with your village, your family, etc. [me] What has being with the truth got to do with being with your family, village and so on? Meaning you can't have both??? And being Saturnine myself, I do not think the 'truth protects'. On the contrary...those who speak the truth are always targeted and rejected....that's the price they pay for speaking the truth. If you can't stand the heat...get out of the kitchen. "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything"~~Martin Luther King (who paid the price) [you] "Sticking to full truth" at all costs and with a blunt mouth will get you into controversy alright. This world runs on much silence. [me] To me that is sad....sad that the world runs on silence while the so called leaders dictate what the 'truth' is. Why bother coming here at all if everyone's dead or asleep or catatonic? Silence and speech should be balanced and that means speaking the truth as well as allowing it to be injested and absorbed. [you] Much overlooking and silence on many matters is required in this "soul hospital". If we constantly point out the faults of everything, nothing will like us. [me] Speaking the truth may not mean 'pointing out the faults of everything'. I seem to recall many leaders I admire that no one liked. Oh well....in order to lead an orchestra one has to turn one's back on the crowd. I'd rather not be a part of the group mentality if it means sacrificing what I value....the truth. IT may be that one man's meat is another man's poison and that is fine but I don't think it's right to try to take a zebra and turn them into a rabbit simply because you are a rabbit. They then are not living authentically and will be miserable acting like a duck out of water. Be true to yourself. [you] There is fixed knowledge about the art of compromise and "feeling good". [me] Growth does not necessarily 'feel good'. I hate the feel good generation here in America. We ignore all that we do out in the world stomping all over other people's sacred spaces while we tune out and 'feel good' lying to each other. Compromise to me means two people speak their truth and decide on a mutually agreeable avenue of behavior between each other. Compromise does not mean giving in...it means meshing together in partnership. [you] You may need to learn how to make others "feel good" by giving, giving of your self, and so many other little ways. [me] One can 'give to others' and still be truthful and honest and have some integrity. One thing has nothing to do with the other unless you stick your foot in your mouth for instance and say something 'insulting' on some mundane level "gee that dress is ugly" or "stuffing your face too much lately? Your jeans are too tight". Those are obvious insults and have nothing to do with truth. So it depends on what you mean. Sometimes it just boils down to two people who do not get along no matter what their placements are and who will never see eye to eye. I'd rather 'accept' that then to try to change that person by pointing a finger at their 10th house and laying blame. They have their path and so have I. Just adding my Saturn in Cap in the 10th two cents worth..... Renee Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- gjlist/ gjlist Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Dear Renee, LOVED your post. The most important person in my life thinks and speaks just like you! I've only recently realized how they can be "right" in everything they say (they are) and yet always be somehow fatally wrong. It has never made sense to me. But now that it does, I can see where you are wrong in what you say, too. Well, you are right. In everything. But so is Richard on this one. You are both talking about something subtly different. Hence, on the other person's subject you are both wrong. How annoying that I don't have the time to answer you this morning. Will get back to you as soon as I can. Loved your post though. A lot of passion. Bet you win a lot of arguments. And I'm sure you do get a lot of heat or resistence from people. I know from observance, not experience. I'm afraid I'm one of the silent people. Well, not exactly silent... New Photos - easier uploading and sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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