Saturn in 10th question - contradiction?

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> Hello ?

> Das wrote about Rashi and 10th H- not about AL.

>

> -Saturn in 11th from Aroodha Lagna is great- Source of poverty is Saturn-

in

> house of gains /in this material world/ is not only 'neutralized' but

works

> beneficently/protects house that it's in/. If Saturn doesn't cause

poverty,

> who will? Thus it's excellent position /and aspects of S. as well/

> Anna

> -

> "indigenius" <indigenius

> <gjlist>

> Friday, December 19, 2003 8:50 PM

> Re: [GJ] Saturn in 10th question - contradiction?

>

>

> > Then why is Saturn in 11th from Arudha Lagna considered very good

> > for prosperity etc.?

> >

> > gjlist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > delhi_tagore

> > > >

> > > > Can we dicuss on astrological reasons for such results of

> > > > saturn in 10th house irrespective of Rashi it is in.

> > >

> > >

> > > Simple: Saturn is a big heavy weight, and rules things like

> > obstacles,

> > > slowness, oldness, brittle, dry, dead, dieing...as well as focus,

> > the big

> > > boss, the one you can't get around, no escaping him, etc. Notice

> > Saddam was

> > > the big man, now he experiences no escape. Those are mega-saturn

> > > experiences. Therefore sometimes they say "great heights, great

> > falls".

> > >

> > > The tenth is one's rise, standing up, career (how it changes,

> > whereas the

> > > 7th is one's "trade")- career is the rises and falls, as much as

> > the 10th

> > > house is straight up over us always.

> > >

> > > Face east, and point to it, that's first house, always, point

> > straight down,

> > > that's 4th, straight up, that's 10th.

> > >

> > > So it rules how you will rise, stand, and survive.

> > >

> > > In Prasna the 10th is "will it happen, survive, etc"

> > >

> > > If the 10th is weak the thing has a hard time standing, may be

> > back issues

> > > actually, and also the entities life may not seem very successful

> > in terms

> > > of "success" and "survival", or struggle is present always to live.

> > >

> > > So combining these two means that the active agent, Saturn, applys

> > his

> > > qualities onto the matters of that house.

> > >

> > > So ouch.

> > >

> > > It's not an easy placement to live under, (literally).

> > >

> > > When the native was born, the planet of weight and heaviness was

> > straight

> > > up, and signifies struggle in the life.

> > >

> > > Irrespective of sign.

> > >

> > > The sign will color how it does it's work, in what attitude, mood

> > and some

> > > other karaka's are brought in by the sign.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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The point still holds. Saturn in 10th house from Janma Lagna

destroys all the good stuff that the 10th house stands for. Then why

shouldn't Saturn in the 11th house (from Janma Lagna or Arudha

Lagna) destroy all the good stuff that 11th house stands for?

 

gjlist, "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote:

> Hello ?

> Das wrote about Rashi and 10th H- not about AL.

>

> -Saturn in 11th from Aroodha Lagna is great- Source of poverty is

Saturn- in

> house of gains /in this material world/ is not only 'neutralized'

but works

> beneficently/protects house that it's in/. If Saturn doesn't cause

poverty,

> who will? Thus it's excellent position /and aspects of S. as well/

> Anna

> -

> "indigenius" <indigenius>

> <gjlist>

> Friday, December 19, 2003 8:50 PM

> Re: [GJ] Saturn in 10th question - contradiction?

>

>

> > Then why is Saturn in 11th from Arudha Lagna considered very good

> > for prosperity etc.?

> >

> > gjlist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > delhi_tagore

> > > >

> > > > Can we dicuss on astrological reasons for such results of

> > > > saturn in 10th house irrespective of Rashi it is in.

> > >

> > >

> > > Simple: Saturn is a big heavy weight, and rules things like

> > obstacles,

> > > slowness, oldness, brittle, dry, dead, dieing...as well as

focus,

> > the big

> > > boss, the one you can't get around, no escaping him, etc.

Notice

> > Saddam was

> > > the big man, now he experiences no escape. Those are mega-

saturn

> > > experiences. Therefore sometimes they say "great heights, great

> > falls".

> > >

> > > The tenth is one's rise, standing up, career (how it changes,

> > whereas the

> > > 7th is one's "trade")- career is the rises and falls, as much

as

> > the 10th

> > > house is straight up over us always.

> > >

> > > Face east, and point to it, that's first house, always, point

> > straight down,

> > > that's 4th, straight up, that's 10th.

> > >

> > > So it rules how you will rise, stand, and survive.

> > >

> > > In Prasna the 10th is "will it happen, survive, etc"

> > >

> > > If the 10th is weak the thing has a hard time standing, may be

> > back issues

> > > actually, and also the entities life may not seem very

successful

> > in terms

> > > of "success" and "survival", or struggle is present always to

live.

> > >

> > > So combining these two means that the active agent, Saturn,

applys

> > his

> > > qualities onto the matters of that house.

> > >

> > > So ouch.

> > >

> > > It's not an easy placement to live under, (literally).

> > >

> > > When the native was born, the planet of weight and heaviness

was

> > straight

> > > up, and signifies struggle in the life.

> > >

> > > Irrespective of sign.

> > >

> > > The sign will color how it does it's work, in what attitude,

mood

> > and some

> > > other karaka's are brought in by the sign.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Das Goravani, President

> > >

> > > 2852 Willamette St, #353

> > > Eugene, OR, 97405, USA-America

> > > Voice: or in America

> > > das@g...

> > >

> > > http://www.DancingMoonInc.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Links

> >

> >

> > gjlist/

> >

> >

> > gjlist

> >

> > Your

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> "indigenius" <indigenius

> gjlist

> Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:43:00 -0000

> gjlist

> Re: [GJ] Saturn in 10th question - contradiction?

>

> The point still holds. Saturn in 10th house from Janma Lagna

> destroys all the good stuff that the 10th house stands for. Then why

> shouldn't Saturn in the 11th house (from Janma Lagna or Arudha

> Lagna) destroy all the good stuff that 11th house stands for?

 

 

I think that the problem is in the wording.

 

"destroys all the good stuff"

 

No planet destroys all of any category.

 

Black and white and extreme language in all spheres of life misleads.

 

Everything is rainbows, swirls, mixes, and shades of gray at the least.

 

Again, at times we want a strong rope to hitch up a horse to our chariot. At

other times, the hangman uses it to hang us. At other times, it's a whip,

and sometimes it's a decoration.

 

Saturn is many things, and not all are destructive and bad to the current

material experience (the vantage point from which we judge good and bad)

 

If leaving here gets us heaven, then he's the greatest benefic!

 

It's all vantage point.

 

Saturn never totally destroys.

 

The 11th house rules over desire, a highly dangerous substance. Destroying

that can be a "good" thing, no?

 

Complexity is the mother of correction.