Karmic Mixup of Perception

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Dear Richard,

 

I understand what you mean know. Sorry for the fierce post, I must have had too

much coffee....I ended up taking the worst meaning from your words, that was

inappropriate.

 

Your "loose" language set my (at that time highly focused) mind off! But I see

where you are coming from now with more specific info.

 

To have someone whose own perception actually aligns with the definitions of the

Vedic culture's Good & Bad will thus make those experiences and understandings

MORE palatable...even sought after...whereas people with "off standards" in

relation to those stated above would be VERY challenging to 'coach &

communicate' with due to their perception of events coming from such a different

'angle.

 

Hope that is Close,

Peace & Much Good Will-

Ashwin

 

 

Das Goravani <> wrote:

 

Hello

 

Your reply to my post contains some "correcting" of my conceptions which I

think are unnecessary. Our misunderstanding arises from subtle differences

in how we perceive the meaning of some key words, and also it arises from

the fact that I speak in a "loose" and "easy going" manner, and also, I

expect total friendliness and good will from everyone because that is what I

feel and am projecting to everyone. There I know, I am wrong. Everyone does

not feel as much good will as I do.

 

I stand by my post, but can see that it can be easily misunderstood, so I

apologize for that.

 

I do wish to clarify and re-emphasize one thing: Homosexuality is an anomoly

when it comes to Vedic astrology as it is taught in classical books. I have

NEVER seen it mentioned in Sanskrit texts in any way ever, what to speak of

being mentioned as "normal". There is no mention of how to read it, how to

predict it, and none of the houses, signs, planets or stars have been

assigned to it. So it's only through experience with charts that we find out

how to read it.

 

Understand however that I am not judgemental toward gays. Not at all.

 

My main point was this: VEDIC means something. It means being religious for

example. Look in the beginning of BPHS and it's end, other books as well,

and see how the qualifications for being a Jyotish are innumerated. They are

VEDIC in nature in that they mention having a Guru, believing in the Divine,

being submissive to Guru and Sastra, and so on.

 

I was taught at strict Vedic ashrams in India. I did standard things like

bathing before Sunrise, attending Mangal Arotik, performing Hari Nam Japa on

mala, offering things to the Thakur, offering dandavat to Gurudev, etc etc.

 

These things, like old fashioned religious village life in India, that is

what is Vedic.

 

To be into those things and to do those things requires a certain type of

chart. People with other types of charts will never do those things. Many

westerners will simply not be caught dead laying on the ground in front of a

Guru reciting Sanskrit mantras which speak of how liberating the Gurus meer

foot dust is.

 

But I have done those things. I ate the dirt at holy places. Once while

swimming across the Ganga in the Bay of Bengal (a scary thing to do and I've

done it many times) a Tulasi leaf floated up to me. It was large, and in

perfect fresh green condition, so I ate it, seeing it as Krishna's mercy

upon me for my devotions in Navadwip. That is Vedic. Few have the

opportunity or knowledge of such things in this lifetime except some strict

Indians. It's a small thing, but I'm trying to make a point.

 

If you are aligned like this with "Vedic", then I find, again I FIND,

personally, that your chart is easier to read with Vedic astrology. When it

says something is bad, the person will tend to agree. If it says something

is good, the person will tend to agree.

 

For example: If you look at the charts of persons who REALLY ENJOY in a

Western sense, they are usually charts which are "bad" in a true Vedic

sense. Take laziness- people like being lazy, but it's considered "bad" in

Vedic astrology because in spiritual reality it IS BAD.

 

Take wanton sex, drugs, greed, murder, etc etc., all these things that are

considered "bad" by Vedic Spiritual Philosophy and Scripture are found to be

ruled by malefic planets, houses, signs, combinations, etc.

 

So my point was simple: If someone that is, the karma of the being in

question, is very non-religious, non-spiritual, full of desire, full of bad

actions and choices, then their chart becomes harder to read because for

example- the placements of the "self", like lagna and moon, will be found to

be "seeing" the malefics as "friends", thus, the person always makes wrong

choices, and this is harder to read, compared to a chart where what IS

malefic IS SEEN IN THE CHART as malefic, is seen by the person as malefic,

and is easily read in the chart for what it is.

 

I hope this attempt at a clarification helps.

 

I stand by my original idea, which I've tried to further explain here.

 

Thanks, I don't mind further discussing this rather important point.

 

Richard MacKai

 

 

 

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Richard et al,

 

Astrological principles by themselves do not change, however to

interpret and apply them one has to take into account the cultural

context of the subject, the environment to which the subject had been

or is being exposed to, life style of the country of residence etc.

 

Most of the errors in applying Vedic astrological principles, arise

due to the astrologers' insistence on relying solely on the versions

of "classical books" they believe to be the sole and comprehensive

representation of Vedic astrology. Veda's were also known as "Sruthi"

(that which is heard) and was passed on by oral tradition and direct

teaching. And, hence most of the knowledge is still not accessible in

print.

 

In terms of coverage of human aberrations, most of them have been

covered in ancient literatures of most languages. For example, Kama

Sutra mentions all of them. I don't think any of the sexual

aberrations that we see today are new. The tendencies have remained

the same, but the forms may be more in line with the present day life

styles.

 

I firmly believe that the astrologer and the subject should be in the

same wavelength to be able to understand and communicate with each

other.

 

Regards,

Arun