Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 There might be valueable comments on this topic from the learned members. Regards, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Tanvir Jyotish Remedies Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:25 PM Married life, 7th lord and Venus Dear all, This I am writing on a little hurry for short time, so please perdon any small errors and mistakes. We all know that to see marital prospectus, 7L, 7H and Venus should have to be seen. But will a Ve and 7L influence the marital life same way? Common sense says, 'No'. But how? I was wondering about it. Ve is the planet of enjoyment, be it a right kind of, or wrong kind of. Even listening to music, enjoying love (Even of parents) are general enjoyments, and Ve has a say on all these. A strong and unafflicted Venus helps make life happy. Well, not really "Happy" but it makes life "Enjoyable". (Opposite of getting bored, being lonely etc.) Ve makes life full of fun, enjoyment, romance etc. If we accept this pronciple then the role of Venus VS 7L becomes easy to differenciate. 7L/7H shows the spouse, his/her nature, the marital life, happiness etc. On the other hand, Ve mainly shows enjoyment (Esp marital/relationship enjoyment) and thus also show marital happiness. If there are fights between them, both enjoyment and marital happiness reduces, but still, Ve primerily rules the enjoyment. Like, a person with unafflicted 7H + 7L will have a good spouse, better understanding, less fights... but if his Ve is ill placed, he will be devoid of enjoyment in married life. Like dating, passing time, having a lot of fun, going to cinema, etc. "enjoyment" with lover/spouse will be less. But for good 7L + 7H, he will have better understanding and less quarel etc. Well afflicted Ve will give fights to some degree, but 7L and 7H has more to say on this. This is my understanding till now. A saturn in 7H / with 7L might give a conservative spouse, delayed marriage, sick spouse or bad age difference (Or wife older than hus) etc. But A saturn with Ve will give 'Being away' / living away from spouse/lover most of the times. Bec Ve rules enjoyment, Sat hits it and make them stay separated, and reduces marital / love enjoyment this way. Because when you are away from your spouse, you can not 'Enjoy' marital life. Like passing time, romance etc. etc. I am getting tired to see how Sat conjuncting Ve can make the lover / spouse stay away. Very painful to see and a lot more painful to experience. I have seen a female native's chart with Ve+Sa in 4th house. Ve is dtrong in 4th but again it's hit by Sat. She was married in Jan 2000, with a guy works in USA (She is in Bangladesh). She visited USA, and sometimes he visited her in Bangladesh, but with very difficulty and for short time... and most of the times they were separated till now. Around a month ago at last she could go there permanently (aparently) bec I think she is runnning 9L bhukti. When she will end this bhukti, she should be separated again - though this is not seen from current situation. Notice that her Ve is a lot stronger that Sat that is why she is having "better kind of" separation. Still, till today, most of times they had to live separatedly. Sa is a planet is separation and suppression, it joins Ve (emotion, love) makes the person unable to show/express love for the spouse. He/she might not be able to propose someone, though dying inside for the person. He/she might not be tell her desire, or show her love, and suffer inside for this. This is true in the native's case. She ran Sa bhukti when she was 16 and she loved someone so much but couldnt even tell anyone and passed a really painful time for that. With her husband, I am sure she suffers from suppression of emotion. Since previous sat bhukti was painful as it was supposed to be, her next sat bhukti will also be painful as well. This is absolutely terrfying for her to hear that it will be a lot more painful bec it will be Sa-Sa (Sa bhukti in Sa MD). So Sa effect will be felt a lot more stronger. It wil start from 2007 I guess, I told her it might even break her marriage, or if the marriage survives some way, she will have to pay a lot, a lot for it. The second chart I have seen, she has an own house Ve in 10th house joining and exalted Saturn. Ve thought in own sign, is weak in direction in 10th, and Sa on the other hand is exalted. So Sat is a lot more powerful than Ve and hit Ve very badly. Her 7L Mo fallen in D9 fails to protect marital happiness. She is not married yet but her relationship was extremely painful, she went to foreign right a few months after the relationship started, that is why she couldn't even see the boy for next 3.5 years, including almost no kind of communication throughout the first year. They truely loved each other, that is why they both suffered. Even before going to foreign, being in the same city she could not see her lover for 5 months. I have told her that you do not have enjoying family life with husband in your store. Notice that the first native has Ve+Sa in 4th house so she suffers for being in homeland (4H) and the second native has this in 10th house so she suffers for being in foreign (10th). Now if the conjunction is found in other houses, what will it mean, which way will it materialize? I think, it might be as per the movable / fixed nature of the sign containing this yoga. Like if this is found in a fixed sign, the native will stay own place while his/her spouse will move away etc. Experimenting with charts will reveal the right answer in this subject, surely. For the 2nd chart, the result will exactly repeat in her married life or the next relationship she will be involved in. Within a short time of starting any relationship / getting married, she will be separated from her husband/lover and live a separated life most dramatically and in an unbelievable way. Her Moon (7L) periods were better in this regard. The 3rd case I have "heard" that the native has a conjunction of Ve and Sa. I just heard about this fact, with no else information about the birth data / position of other planet or knowing the asc or anything else. Only depending upon the conjunction of Ve+Sa, I asked her if she had to stay away from husband for a long time. Amazingly, it was very much correct. It was surprising how could I guess it correcly only based on this conjunction, with no other info about the chart. But it all depends on the fact of understanding the basic nature between Sa and Ve. So it explains the fact what is the functional difference between Ve and 7L in the matter of marital life and relationships. The fact that Ve+Sa conjunction doesnt allow the native to express his/her feelings/emotions is true even in the 2nd native's case. It might be interesting to see a chart with this yoga who does not stay away from spouse for long. Good MD, AD and strong 7L, 9L, and comperatively weak Sa than Ve is good to encounter this problem. This has been always a favourite topic of my personal experiments. Right now I am looking for indications where the female remains faithful to/love her spouse/lover even after a lot of misbehaviour from him. In simple words I am interested to find out which facts in the chart makes a woman/girl too much sincere and faithful in love matters where she can sacrifice and compromise a lot for her love and spouse and never leaves the hus/lover even after misbehaviour from him, and continues loving him and being faithful to him. I have a few charts on this where I know the natives well but will have to figure out the facts behind this. Unfortunately I do not have much time on this, learned members might put up some possible ideas which facts might make it happen. After I find something meaningful I shall write on it. Regards, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro ~! THE WORLD IS TOUGH, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 || Om Gurave Namah || Greetings and Well wishes to all Krishna Janmaastami. Hare Krishna Hare Rama Krishna Dear Tanvir, See Upapada (Arudha of 12th house), Darapada and their relation to Arudha lagna to see marital relation ships. There are lot of articles in this list archive by Jyotish Guru Narasimha and mails from Pt. Sanjay Rath. Please also read from following references www.srath.com : Lessons www..org :Lessons/Articles Crux of Vedic Astrology(CoVA) book by Pt Sanjay Rath Jaimini Updesa Sutra (JUS) Translated by Pt. Sanjay Rath Warm Regards Sanjay Prabhakaran gjlist, "Tanvir" <tanvir@s...> wrote: > There might be valueable comments on this topic from the learned members. > > Regards, > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > tanvir@s... > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > > - > Tanvir > Jyotish Remedies > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:25 PM > Married life, 7th lord and Venus > > > Dear all, > > This I am writing on a little hurry for short time, so please perdon any small errors and mistakes. > > We all know that to see marital prospectus, 7L, 7H and Venus should have to be seen. But will a Ve and 7L influence the marital life same way? Common sense says, 'No'. But how? I was wondering about it. > > Ve is the planet of enjoyment, be it a right kind of, or wrong kind of. Even listening to music, enjoying love (Even of parents) are general enjoyments, and Ve has a say on all these. A strong and unafflicted Venus helps make life happy. Well, not really "Happy" but it makes life "Enjoyable". (Opposite of getting bored, being lonely etc.) Ve makes life full of fun, enjoyment, romance etc. > > If we accept this pronciple then the role of Venus VS 7L becomes easy to differenciate. > > 7L/7H shows the spouse, his/her nature, the marital life, happiness etc. On the other hand, Ve mainly shows enjoyment (Esp marital/relationship enjoyment) and thus also show marital happiness. If there are fights between them, both enjoyment and marital happiness reduces, but still, Ve primerily rules the enjoyment. > > Like, a person with unafflicted 7H + 7L will have a good spouse, better understanding, less fights... but if his Ve is ill placed, he will be devoid of enjoyment in married life. Like dating, passing time, having a lot of fun, going to cinema, etc. "enjoyment" with lover/spouse will be less. But for good 7L + 7H, he will have better understanding and less quarel etc. Well afflicted Ve will give fights to some degree, but 7L and 7H has more to say on this. > > This is my understanding till now. > > A saturn in 7H / with 7L might give a conservative spouse, delayed marriage, sick spouse or bad age difference (Or wife older than hus) etc. But A saturn with Ve will give 'Being away' / living away from spouse/lover most of the times. Bec Ve rules enjoyment, Sat hits it and make them stay separated, and reduces marital / love enjoyment this way. Because when you are away from your spouse, you can not 'Enjoy' marital life. Like passing time, romance etc. etc. > > I am getting tired to see how Sat conjuncting Ve can make the lover / spouse stay away. Very painful to see and a lot more painful to experience. > > I have seen a female native's chart with Ve+Sa in 4th house. Ve is dtrong in 4th but again it's hit by Sat. She was married in Jan 2000, with a guy works in USA (She is in Bangladesh). She visited USA, and sometimes he visited her in Bangladesh, but with very difficulty and for short time... and most of the times they were separated till now. Around a month ago at last she could go there permanently (aparently) bec I think she is runnning 9L bhukti. When she will end this bhukti, she should be separated again - though this is not seen from current situation. > > Notice that her Ve is a lot stronger that Sat that is why she is having "better kind of" separation. Still, till today, most of times they had to live separatedly. > > Sa is a planet is separation and suppression, it joins Ve (emotion, love) makes the person unable to show/express love for the spouse. He/she might not be able to propose someone, though dying inside for the person. He/she might not be tell her desire, or show her love, and suffer inside for this. > > This is true in the native's case. > > She ran Sa bhukti when she was 16 and she loved someone so much but couldnt even tell anyone and passed a really painful time for that. With her husband, I am sure she suffers from suppression of emotion. > > Since previous sat bhukti was painful as it was supposed to be, her next sat bhukti will also be painful as well. This is absolutely terrfying for her to hear that it will be a lot more painful bec it will be Sa-Sa (Sa bhukti in Sa MD). So Sa effect will be felt a lot more stronger. It wil start from 2007 I guess, I told her it might even break her marriage, or if the marriage survives some way, she will have to pay a lot, a lot for it. > > The second chart I have seen, she has an own house Ve in 10th house joining and exalted Saturn. Ve thought in own sign, is weak in direction in 10th, and Sa on the other hand is exalted. So Sat is a lot more powerful than Ve and hit Ve very badly. Her 7L Mo fallen in D9 fails to protect marital happiness. > > She is not married yet but her relationship was extremely painful, she went to foreign right a few months after the relationship started, that is why she couldn't even see the boy for next 3.5 years, including almost no kind of communication throughout the first year. They truely loved each other, that is why they both suffered. Even before going to foreign, being in the same city she could not see her lover for 5 months. I have told her that you do not have enjoying family life with husband in your store. > > Notice that the first native has Ve+Sa in 4th house so she suffers for being in homeland (4H) and the second native has this in 10th house so she suffers for being in foreign (10th). > > Now if the conjunction is found in other houses, what will it mean, which way will it materialize? I think, it might be as per the movable / fixed nature of the sign containing this yoga. Like if this is found in a fixed sign, the native will stay own place while his/her spouse will move away etc. Experimenting with charts will reveal the right answer in this subject, surely. > > For the 2nd chart, the result will exactly repeat in her married life or the next relationship she will be involved in. Within a short time of starting any relationship / getting married, she will be separated from her husband/lover and live a separated life most dramatically and in an unbelievable way. Her Moon (7L) periods were better in this regard. > > The 3rd case I have "heard" that the native has a conjunction of Ve and Sa. I just heard about this fact, with no else information about the birth data / position of other planet or knowing the asc or anything else. Only depending upon the conjunction of Ve+Sa, I asked her if she had to stay away from husband for a long time. Amazingly, it was very much correct. It was surprising how could I guess it correcly only based on this conjunction, with no other info about the chart. But it all depends on the fact of understanding the basic nature between Sa and Ve. > > So it explains the fact what is the functional difference between Ve and 7L in the matter of marital life and relationships. The fact that Ve+Sa conjunction doesnt allow the native to express his/her feelings/emotions is true even in the 2nd native's case. > > It might be interesting to see a chart with this yoga who does not stay away from spouse for long. Good MD, AD and strong 7L, 9L, and comperatively weak Sa than Ve is good to encounter this problem. > > This has been always a favourite topic of my personal experiments. Right now I am looking for indications where the female remains faithful to/love her spouse/lover even after a lot of misbehaviour from him. In simple words I am interested to find out which facts in the chart makes a woman/girl too much sincere and faithful in love matters where she can sacrifice and compromise a lot for her love and spouse and never leaves the hus/lover even after misbehaviour from him, and continues loving him and being faithful to him. I have a few charts on this where I know the natives well but will have to figure out the facts behind this. Unfortunately I do not have much time on this, learned members might put up some possible ideas which facts might make it happen. After I find something meaningful I shall write on it. > > Regards, > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > tanvir@s... > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 Hello Tanvir, I do not know how and why you concluded the way you looked at the charts with respect to Saturn & Venus conjunction. In Vedic astrology in terms of friendship Saturn and Venus are natural friends. Saturn is a friend of Venus and Venus is a Friend of Saturn if I am not wrong. So why & how can the two work against each other? But even I wonder how the two are treated as friends. Saturn signifies slowness, contraction, delay, difficulty and separation while Venus signifies love, marriage, happiness, friends, parties, fun etc. So how are the two friends to each other, when both of them have different agendas? Can anybody throw light on this please. Secondly you mentioned that Venus in the 10th house is weak by direction. That is true but Venus also sits in a Kendra in the 10th house and a benefic generally does well in a Kendra. We know that benefics do not do that well in Upachayas. So it also depends on the lagna and the houses Venus and Saturn own which u have not mentioned I suppose. This is important to determine how the two of them act together. Therefore I can only say your analysis may not be entirely correct. Regards, Vinay --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > There might be valueable comments on this topic from > the learned members. > > Regards, > Tanvir > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > > - > Tanvir > Jyotish Remedies > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:25 PM > Married life, 7th lord and Venus > > > Dear all, > > This I am writing on a little hurry for short time, > so please perdon any small errors and mistakes. > > We all know that to see marital prospectus, 7L, 7H > and Venus should have to be seen. But will a Ve and > 7L influence the marital life same way? Common sense > says, 'No'. But how? I was wondering about it. > > Ve is the planet of enjoyment, be it a right kind > of, or wrong kind of. Even listening to music, > enjoying love (Even of parents) are general > enjoyments, and Ve has a say on all these. A strong > and unafflicted Venus helps make life happy. Well, > not really "Happy" but it makes life "Enjoyable". > (Opposite of getting bored, being lonely etc.) Ve > makes life full of fun, enjoyment, romance etc. > > If we accept this pronciple then the role of Venus > VS 7L becomes easy to differenciate. > > 7L/7H shows the spouse, his/her nature, the marital > life, happiness etc. On the other hand, Ve mainly > shows enjoyment (Esp marital/relationship enjoyment) > and thus also show marital happiness. If there are > fights between them, both enjoyment and marital > happiness reduces, but still, Ve primerily rules the > enjoyment. > > Like, a person with unafflicted 7H + 7L will have a > good spouse, better understanding, less fights... > but if his Ve is ill placed, he will be devoid of > enjoyment in married life. Like dating, passing > time, having a lot of fun, going to cinema, etc. > "enjoyment" with lover/spouse will be less. But for > good 7L + 7H, he will have better understanding and > less quarel etc. Well afflicted Ve will give fights > to some degree, but 7L and 7H has more to say on > this. > > This is my understanding till now. > > A saturn in 7H / with 7L might give a conservative > spouse, delayed marriage, sick spouse or bad age > difference (Or wife older than hus) etc. But A > saturn with Ve will give 'Being away' / living away > from spouse/lover most of the times. Bec Ve rules > enjoyment, Sat hits it and make them stay separated, > and reduces marital / love enjoyment this way. > Because when you are away from your spouse, you can > not 'Enjoy' marital life. Like passing time, romance > etc. etc. > > I am getting tired to see how Sat conjuncting Ve can > make the lover / spouse stay away. Very painful to > see and a lot more painful to experience. > > I have seen a female native's chart with Ve+Sa in > 4th house. Ve is dtrong in 4th but again it's hit by > Sat. She was married in Jan 2000, with a guy works > in USA (She is in Bangladesh). She visited USA, and > sometimes he visited her in Bangladesh, but with > very difficulty and for short time... and most of > the times they were separated till now. Around a > month ago at last she could go there permanently > (aparently) bec I think she is runnning 9L bhukti. > When she will end this bhukti, she should be > separated again - though this is not seen from > current situation. > > Notice that her Ve is a lot stronger that Sat that > is why she is having "better kind of" separation. > Still, till today, most of times they had to live > separatedly. > > Sa is a planet is separation and suppression, it > joins Ve (emotion, love) makes the person unable to > show/express love for the spouse. He/she might not > be able to propose someone, though dying inside for > the person. He/she might not be tell her desire, or > show her love, and suffer inside for this. > > This is true in the native's case. > > She ran Sa bhukti when she was 16 and she loved > someone so much but couldnt even tell anyone and > passed a really painful time for that. With her > husband, I am sure she suffers from suppression of > emotion. > > Since previous sat bhukti was painful as it was > supposed to be, her next sat bhukti will also be > painful as well. This is absolutely terrfying for > her to hear that it will be a lot more painful bec > it will be Sa-Sa (Sa bhukti in Sa MD). So Sa effect > will be felt a lot more stronger. It wil start from > 2007 I guess, I told her it might even break her > marriage, or if the marriage survives some way, she > will have to pay a lot, a lot for it. > > The second chart I have seen, she has an own house > Ve in 10th house joining and exalted Saturn. Ve > thought in own sign, is weak in direction in 10th, > and Sa on the other hand is exalted. So Sat is a lot > more powerful than Ve and hit Ve very badly. Her 7L > Mo fallen in D9 fails to protect marital happiness. > > She is not married yet but her relationship was > extremely painful, she went to foreign right a few > months after the relationship started, that is why > she couldn't even see the boy for next 3.5 years, > including almost no kind of communication throughout > the first year. They truely loved each other, that > is why they both suffered. Even before going to > foreign, being in the same city she could not see > her lover for 5 months. I have told her that you do > not have enjoying family life with husband in your > store. > > Notice that the first native has Ve+Sa in 4th house > so she suffers for being in homeland (4H) and the > second native has this in 10th house so she suffers > for being in foreign (10th). > > Now if the conjunction is found in other houses, > what will it mean, which way will it materialize? I > think, it might be as per the movable / fixed nature > of the sign containing this yoga. Like if this is > found in a fixed sign, the native will stay own > place while his/her spouse will move away etc. > Experimenting with charts will reveal the right > answer in this subject, surely. > > For the 2nd chart, the result will exactly repeat in > her married life or the next relationship she will > be involved in. Within a short time of starting any > relationship / getting married, she will be > separated from her husband/lover and live a > separated life most dramatically and in an > unbelievable way. Her Moon (7L) periods were better > in this regard. > > The 3rd case I have "heard" that the native has a > conjunction of Ve and Sa. I just heard about this > fact, with no else information about the birth data > / position of other planet or knowing the asc or > anything else. Only depending upon the conjunction > of Ve+Sa, I asked her if she had to stay away from > husband for a long time. Amazingly, it was very much > correct. It was surprising how could I guess it > correcly only based on this conjunction, with no > other info about the chart. But it all depends on > the fact of understanding the basic nature between > Sa and Ve. > > So it explains the fact what is the functional > difference between Ve and 7L in the matter of > marital life and relationships. The fact that Ve+Sa > conjunction doesnt allow the native to express > his/her feelings/emotions is true even in the 2nd > native's case. > > It might be interesting to see a chart with this > yoga who does not stay away from spouse for long. > Good MD, AD and strong 7L, 9L, and comperatively > weak Sa than Ve is good to encounter this problem. > > This has been always a favourite topic of my > personal experiments. Right now I am looking for > indications where the female remains faithful > to/love her spouse/lover even after a lot of > misbehaviour from him. In simple words I am > interested to find out which facts in the chart > makes a woman/girl too much sincere and faithful in > love === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 Hello, Consider what you already know and told from yourself about the characteristics of the two planets - "Saturn signifies slowness, contraction, delay, difficulty and separation while Venus signifies love, marriage, happiness, friends, parties, fun etc." Now think it over and see what comes out... Regards, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - VInay K gjlist Cc: tanvir Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:39 PM Re: [GJ] Fw: Married life, 7th lord and Venus Hello Tanvir, I do not know how and why you concluded the way you looked at the charts with respect to Saturn & Venus conjunction. In Vedic astrology in terms of friendship Saturn and Venus are natural friends. Saturn is a friend of Venus and Venus is a Friend of Saturn if I am not wrong. So why & how can the two work against each other? But even I wonder how the two are treated as friends. Saturn signifies slowness, contraction, delay, difficulty and separation while Venus signifies love, marriage, happiness, friends, parties, fun etc. So how are the two friends to each other, when both of them have different agendas? Can anybody throw light on this please. Secondly you mentioned that Venus in the 10th house is weak by direction. That is true but Venus also sits in a Kendra in the 10th house and a benefic generally does well in a Kendra. We know that benefics do not do that well in Upachayas. So it also depends on the lagna and the houses Venus and Saturn own which u have not mentioned I suppose. This is important to determine how the two of them act together. Therefore I can only say your analysis may not be entirely correct. Regards, Vinay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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