Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Tushar, Here is the response from Thomas, I hope this clarifies your questions somewhat. (Copied back to Thomas, in case you contact him.) Namaste' John M >From Thomas Ashley-Farrand: I havce started to take question under a program called, simply "Satsang." With regard to sound: There are three separate categories of sound. The first is the spoken word with which we are familiar. The second is something like near silent, intuitive speech. There are Sanskrit names for all the categories of sound, Vaikarai, Upamshu, etc. The third category is silent speech. That is to say, it makes a sounds, but not one that is heard by the ear. The masters often communicatre with one another using this method, since distance is no obstacle. I have "experienced" this on several occasions and thus know first hand that it is a fact. This third kind of speech resonates DIRECTLY on the chakras in thre subtle body. This resonation then goes into the physical body in second hand fashion, since the chakras are really in the subtle body. When we chant mantras out loud, there is a beneficial vibration in the phyhsical body contributing to health and well-being. But significant advancement is achieved through silent repetition of mantra as it acts directly on the chakras. Question #2; About gurus and initiations. The Sanskrit alphabet is hard-wired into the chakras, whether or not we ever chant. This might be said to be somewhat similar to the hard wiring of childbearing by a woman, whether or not she ever has children. All analogies have their weaknesses, including this one, but you get the idea. Bottom line, you do not need a guru to progress using mantras. HOWEVER, a true guru or advanced adept can impart, with power, a mantra charged with the power achieved by the guru or adept. This means the our practice will be greatly accelerated. This is the gift of true initiation by a qualified person. We move much more quickly and much more powerfully foward. Hope this helps, john. Best Regards, Thomas Ashley-Farrand Namadeva *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 7/19/2003 at 12:27 AM Tushar wrote: >Dear Johm, > >I have visited the site you have refered, but I wonder >the author said two contradictory things. > >(1) At one place he said that sound is energy and that >is the most important factor in mantra > >(2) At another place he said that 'saying mantras >silently is the most powerful way to say them' in FAQ >section > >I don't know how these both can be right may be author >is not clear yet. > >This is for just convey to you that it is not good >site actually and does not have enough information. >May be CDs can be excellent. > >regards, > >Tushar > > > > > > > >--- John Melka <jmelka wrote: >> Michael, >> >> I would strongly recommend Thomas Ashley-Farrand's >> site www.sanskritmantra.com . >> >> His CD's and tapes are excellent and he has >> excellent enuniciation which is essential to the >> correct usage of mantra. His works are also very >> easy to read for us westerners. >> >> -- John M >> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> On 7/19/2003 at 12:01 AM seekingliberation wrote: >> >> >To all who responded to my original message(Jupiter >> combust in the >> >9th), I owe a great thank you. I've recieved quite >> a few emails >> >which have confirmed suspicions, revealed new >> aspects to consider, >> >and removed doubts. Hopefully I can return the >> same favor to others >> >in the future. >> > >> >Another question I have, is off the subject of >> astology. I've >> >recently borrowed a book on Mantras from my sister. >> There are many >> >mantras in it, some for healing, spirituality in >> general, specific >> >ayurvedic mantras, and even planetary mantras for >> planetary >> >imbalances. The Gayatri mantra is one example. >> > >> >My question is wether these mantras will be >> successful or not. I've >> >heard it is best to have a bona fide Guru to >> recommend the proper >> >mantras for you. Otherwise, they may not have as >> much power. Also, >> >you may end up invoking a mantra that has effects >> contrary to what >> >you're really looking for, due to the fact that you >> are not a true >> >expert, or one who understands proper use of >> mantras(kind of like >> >self-medicating without a doctor). >> > >> >So, should I go ahead and chant mantras like the >> Gayatri mantra, or >> >other various types? Or should I stay away from it >> until I can find >> >a Guru who is knowledgeable in such matters? >> > >> >Sincerely >> > >> >Michael Brown(seekingliberation) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat >> Sat >> >: >> gjlist- >> > >> > >> > >> >Your use of is subject to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Yes Sir. Now do you know what your password is? >> >> Yes. 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Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Dear John, Thank you very much for providing understanding. But still I have little confusion that how it can be done? I think I will try it because self experience is best learning method how silent chanting is possible. During this discussion I remind my all time confusion regarding mantras if you (or any other member) can give some explaination it will be great help to me. There are various theories I don't know how much of them are true or logical. (1) If sound is not important then is there any important of words? Further clearing my question what is importannce of Sanskrit language? Mantras can be created in English or any other language? (2) What I tend to believe is that may be mantras are short size prayers to specific target (god,planets etc.) for specific purpose. If so then language should not be matter and it should be said in any language. (3) If it matters then words, pronouncians and tempo etc. are important and hence sound must play important role. (4) There are types of mantras like Vedic,Pauranik,Tantrik etc. For example I have atleast 5 kind of Surya mantra. Each has different words and meaning. So how these mechanism works? If there are 5 mantras then there must be 5 reason behind it and 5 different way of working. If it is not then there must be only one mantra correct. I have read somewhere that those are according to cast like only brahmin can chant vedic mantras and like wise. If this is correct then what is the provision for people who are not Indian? I think I have tried to make my questions simple. If any one can give some knowledge on this It will be great help to me and for others also. regards, Tushar --- John Melka <jmelka wrote: > Tushar, > > Here is the response from Thomas, I hope this > clarifies your questions somewhat. > > (Copied back to Thomas, in case you contact him.) > > Namaste' > John M > > From Thomas Ashley-Farrand: > > I havce started to take question under a program > called, simply "Satsang." > > With regard to sound: > There are three separate categories of sound. The > first is the spoken word with which we are familiar. > The second is something like near silent, intuitive > speech. There are > Sanskrit names for all the categories of sound, > Vaikarai, Upamshu, etc. The third category is silent > speech. That is to say, it makes a sounds, but not > one that is heard by > the ear. The masters often communicatre with one > another using this method, since distance is no > obstacle. I have "experienced" this on several > occasions and thus know first > hand that it is a fact. This third kind of speech > resonates DIRECTLY on the chakras in thre subtle > body. This resonation then goes into the physical > body in second hand > fashion, since the chakras are really in the subtle > body. When we chant mantras out loud, there is a > beneficial vibration in the phyhsical body > contributing to health and > well-being. But significant advancement is achieved > through silent repetition of mantra as it acts > directly on the chakras. > > Question #2; About gurus and initiations. > > The Sanskrit alphabet is hard-wired into the > chakras, whether or not we ever chant. This might be > said to be somewhat similar to the hard wiring of > childbearing by a woman, > whether or not she ever has children. All analogies > have their weaknesses, including this one, but you > get the idea. Bottom line, you do not need a guru to > progress using > mantras. > > HOWEVER, a true guru or advanced adept can impart, > with power, a mantra charged with the power achieved > by the guru or adept. This means the our practice > will be greatly > accelerated. This is the gift of true initiation by > a qualified person. We move much more quickly and > much more powerfully foward. > > Hope this helps, john. > > Best Regards, > Thomas Ashley-Farrand > Namadeva > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 7/19/2003 at 12:27 AM Tushar wrote: > > >Dear Johm, > > > >I have visited the site you have refered, but I > wonder > >the author said two contradictory things. > > > >(1) At one place he said that sound is energy and > that > >is the most important factor in mantra > > > >(2) At another place he said that 'saying mantras > >silently is the most powerful way to say them' in > FAQ > >section > > > >I don't know how these both can be right may be > author > >is not clear yet. > > > >This is for just convey to you that it is not good > >site actually and does not have enough information. > >May be CDs can be excellent. > > > >regards, > > > >Tushar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- John Melka <jmelka wrote: > >> Michael, > >> > >> I would strongly recommend Thomas > Ashley-Farrand's > >> site www.sanskritmantra.com . > >> > >> His CD's and tapes are excellent and he has > >> excellent enuniciation which is essential to the > >> correct usage of mantra. His works are also very > >> easy to read for us westerners. > >> > >> -- John M > >> > >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >> > >> On 7/19/2003 at 12:01 AM seekingliberation wrote: > >> > >> >To all who responded to my original > message(Jupiter > >> combust in the > >> >9th), I owe a great thank you. I've recieved > quite > >> a few emails > >> >which have confirmed suspicions, revealed new > >> aspects to consider, > >> >and removed doubts. Hopefully I can return the > >> same favor to others > >> >in the future. > >> > > >> >Another question I have, is off the subject of > >> astology. I've > >> >recently borrowed a book on Mantras from my > sister. > >> There are many > >> >mantras in it, some for healing, spirituality in > >> general, specific > >> >ayurvedic mantras, and even planetary mantras > for > >> planetary > >> >imbalances. The Gayatri mantra is one example. > >> > > >> >My question is wether these mantras will be > >> successful or not. I've > >> >heard it is best to have a bona fide Guru to > >> recommend the proper > >> >mantras for you. Otherwise, they may not have > as > >> much power. Also, > >> >you may end up invoking a mantra that has > effects > >> contrary to what > >> >you're really looking for, due to the fact that > you > >> are not a true > >> >expert, or one who understands proper use of > >> mantras(kind of like > >> >self-medicating without a doctor). > >> > > >> >So, should I go ahead and chant mantras like the > >> Gayatri mantra, or > >> >other various types? Or should I stay away from > it > >> until I can find > >> >a Guru who is knowledgeable in such matters? > >> > > >> >Sincerely > >> > > >> >Michael Brown(seekingliberation) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om > Tat > >> Sat > >> >: > >> gjlist- > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Your use of is subject to > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "Yes Sir. Now do you know what your password is? > >> > >> Yes. It's asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, > >> asterisk. > >> > >> Uh... was that.. uh.. actually.. > >> > === message truncated === SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ Dear Tushar, I will just share an extract from VRA (Vedic Remedies in Astrology). In hindi Tushar contains 3 charaters (Ta, Sha, and Ra) so count 3, say if you want to know any mantra is good for you or not say e.g. Om Namah Shivaya ( it contains 6 characters as per hindi). Kindly note only first name is considered and not the last name. add both characters your name + mantra characters its 3+6 = 9 Now divide 9 by 4, remainder is 1, so this mantra can be recited by you. remainder should be 1,2 or 3 but not 0. When remainder becomes 0, the mantra becomes ari (negative). The above is what I read from VRA, and made an example for you. Hope this might help you. Kind regards, Neeraj --- Tushar <tushar_9 wrote: > Dear John, > > Thank you very much for providing understanding. But > still I have little confusion that how it can be > done? > I think I will try it because self experience is > best > learning method how silent chanting is possible. > > During this discussion I remind my all time > confusion > regarding mantras if you (or any other member) can > give some explaination it will be great help to me. > > There are various theories I don't know how much of > them are true or logical. > > (1) If sound is not important then is there any > important of words? Further clearing my question > what > is importannce of Sanskrit language? Mantras can be > created in English or any other language? > > (2) What I tend to believe is that may be mantras > are > short size prayers to specific target (god,planets > etc.) for specific purpose. If so then language > should > not be matter and it should be said in any language. > > (3) If it matters then words, pronouncians and tempo > etc. are important and hence sound must play > important > role. > > (4) There are types of mantras like > Vedic,Pauranik,Tantrik etc. For example I have > atleast > 5 kind of Surya mantra. Each has different words and > meaning. So how these mechanism works? If there are > 5 > mantras then there must be 5 reason behind it and 5 > different way of working. If it is not then there > must > be only one mantra correct. I have read somewhere > that > those are according to cast like only brahmin can > chant vedic mantras and like wise. If this is > correct > then what is the provision for people who are not > Indian? > > I think I have tried to make my questions simple. If > any one can give some knowledge on this It will be > great help to me and for others also. > > regards, > > Tushar > > > > > --- John Melka <jmelka wrote: > > Tushar, > > > > Here is the response from Thomas, I hope this > > clarifies your questions somewhat. > > > > (Copied back to Thomas, in case you contact him.) > > > > Namaste' > > John M > > > > From Thomas Ashley-Farrand: > > > > I havce started to take question under a program > > called, simply "Satsang." > > > > With regard to sound: > > There are three separate categories of sound. The > > first is the spoken word with which we are > familiar. > > The second is something like near silent, > intuitive > > speech. There are > > Sanskrit names for all the categories of sound, > > Vaikarai, Upamshu, etc. The third category is > silent > > speech. That is to say, it makes a sounds, but not > > one that is heard by > > the ear. The masters often communicatre with one > > another using this method, since distance is no > > obstacle. I have "experienced" this on several > > occasions and thus know first > > hand that it is a fact. This third kind of speech > > resonates DIRECTLY on the chakras in thre subtle > > body. This resonation then goes into the physical > > body in second hand > > fashion, since the chakras are really in the > subtle > > body. When we chant mantras out loud, there is a > > beneficial vibration in the phyhsical body > > contributing to health and > > well-being. But significant advancement is > achieved > > through silent repetition of mantra as it acts > > directly on the chakras. > > > > Question #2; About gurus and initiations. > > > > The Sanskrit alphabet is hard-wired into the > > chakras, whether or not we ever chant. This might > be > > said to be somewhat similar to the hard wiring of > > childbearing by a woman, > > whether or not she ever has children. All > analogies > > have their weaknesses, including this one, but you > > get the idea. Bottom line, you do not need a guru > to > > progress using > > mantras. > > > > HOWEVER, a true guru or advanced adept can impart, > > with power, a mantra charged with the power > achieved > > by the guru or adept. This means the our practice > > will be greatly > > accelerated. This is the gift of true initiation > by > > a qualified person. We move much more quickly and > > much more powerfully foward. > > > > Hope this helps, john. > > > > Best Regards, > > Thomas Ashley-Farrand > > Namadeva > > > > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > > > On 7/19/2003 at 12:27 AM Tushar wrote: > > > > >Dear Johm, > > > > > >I have visited the site you have refered, but I > > wonder > > >the author said two contradictory things. > > > > > >(1) At one place he said that sound is energy and > > that > > >is the most important factor in mantra > > > > > >(2) At another place he said that 'saying mantras > > >silently is the most powerful way to say them' in > > FAQ > > >section > > > > > >I don't know how these both can be right may be > > author > > >is not clear yet. > > > > > >This is for just convey to you that it is not > good > > >site actually and does not have enough > information. > > >May be CDs can be excellent. > > > > > >regards, > > > > > >Tushar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- John Melka <jmelka wrote: > > >> Michael, > > >> > > >> I would strongly recommend Thomas > > Ashley-Farrand's > > >> site www.sanskritmantra.com . > > >> > > >> His CD's and tapes are excellent and he has > > >> excellent enuniciation which is essential to > the > > >> correct usage of mantra. His works are also > very > > >> easy to read for us westerners. > > >> > > >> -- John M > > >> > > >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > >> > > >> On 7/19/2003 at 12:01 AM seekingliberation > wrote: > > >> > === message truncated === ===== http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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