For a kind attn. of Mr. Upadhyay re: Bhardwasj's horoscope

June 24, 2003

Hello Mr. Upadhyay,

My name is not fas fas. It is my company name. My name is AMAR PURI and

I thank you for replying.

I may mention again that Lord Saturn on account of its' strength

,placement at 11h of malefic Lord Jupiter plus afflication by malefic Ketu

renders weak and therefore, a weak planet is unable to protect and promote

the significances of 10 and 11h. It is quite desireable to strengthen the

weak planet. Now, the question is HOW? I am not getting in to this

discussion. This is one of a problem in the chart.

The moon, though quite strong, is in 6h looses his strength and becocmes

weak. Therefore, it causes health problem ( 6th house significance) for

the native when he tried to wear Diamond as it was said. Thus, Moon also

needs to be strengthened.

In my opinion, the main problem I brought up and explained in my posting

which was addressed earlier to Manoj remains unanswered and I post it

again below for your kind comments;

Hello Manoj,

I am a beginner student of astrology. So, I am not in a position to give

any advise but to make few comments based on my knowledge and learning of

jyotish I have had from the learned people in this group and others. So, I

invite every one involved in this discussion group to correct me in my

attempt of understanding and interpretation of Mr. Bhardwaj's horoscope

which is as follows;

1. Inspite of higher studies, he has failed to get hold of his desired job

(profession) whcih has caused frustration in his professional career. The

reason being 8 and 11 lord (Jupiter) holds the key sitting in 2nd h of

general wealth and family. It is further confirmed in the Navamsa chart.

Lord Jupiter blessed him with a nice wife who is helping him. Also Jupiter

rules the 10h in the Navamsa. In the natal chart weak Saturn the lord of

10h of profession occupies the 11h of gain in the house of functional

malefic Jupiter afflicted by functional malefic Ke. becomes very help less

and weak to protect and promote the significance of 10-11h. At present he

is in the sub period of malefic Jup. in the main period of weak Saturn and

Saturn is transiting in Gemini, in the 2nd.house occupied by malefic Ju.

rendering the native loss of job and all sorts of obstacles. Even Lord

Jupiter is transitting the 4th h is not helpful to the native because of

the weak dispositor Moon in the 6h. All the efforts of the native in

initiating any venture becomes fruitless.

Solution is that he must appease the malefics ; Lord Jupiter, Veneus, Mars,

Ra and Ke and strengthen the weak Lord Moon and Saturn immediately. Sun and

Mer. are very well placed.

Awaiting further comments. Best wishes..................Amar Puri.

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>gjlist

>[GJ] Attn : fas fas

>Tue, 24 Jun 2003 05:17:07 -0000

>

>Dear fas fas ji,

> [ 1 ] I was talking of the malefic effects of Moon in the 6th and

>not moon as a malefic per se. Apart from the moon I wanted to make

>sure whether Rahu and Ketu too are giving any malefic effects or not .

>

> [ 2 ] Mr Bhardwaj is worried about his job and therefore the 10th

>lord Saturn comes into the picture.We got to strengthen it and hence

>establishing the kumbh

>

> [ 3 ] Sun is the Karak of employment and hence has to be appeased

>by the 10th lord Saturn.Saturn has the karkatwa over two things in

>the liquid form ie mustard oil and liquor . Therefore by offering

>either of these two things to the Sun we are trying to appease Sun .

>This is an effort by a son to appease his father . Remember Saturn is

>a Surya Putra. The time to make such an offering I had suggested is

>evening and not morning because this time period comes under the rule

>of saturn.

>

> [ 4 ] Even if a planet is benefic , you may have to provide it

>strength either through pooja , mantra or other remedies based on the

>folk wisdom . Strengthening a benefic will do no harm

>

>with regards,

>

>upadhyay

>

>gjlist, "fas fas" <foreignersassistance@h...>

>wrote:

> > Hello Mr. Upadhyay,

> >

> > As a student of learning Jyotish, may I ask questions which are in

> > CAP.letters below your reply;

> >

> > >"upadhyay_iitd" <upadhyay_iitd>

> > >gjlist

> > >Re: [GJ] Bhardwaj's Horoscope

> > >Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:46:58 -0000

> > >

> > >Dear Manoj ji,

> > > [ 1 ] I had asked all those questions to find out which

>of

> > >the planets are functioning as malefics.I am glad that except for

>moon

> > >all the planets are ok.

> >

> > WHY MOON IS FUNCTIONAL MALEFIC IN THE CHART OF BHARDWAJ'S

>HOROSCOPE ?

> >

> > > [ 2 ] establishing a Kumbha is to appease Saturn..and

> > >therefore he should do it on a Saturday after the sunset.Well he

>can

> > >think of any Ishta Dev while doing it.

> >

> > IT SEEMS CONTRADICTION HERE. AS YOU SAID ABOVE THAT THERE ARE NO

>MALEFIC

> > EXCEPT MOON, CORRECT.

> >

> > THEN WHY TO APPEASE SATURN WHICH IS BENEFIC ?

> >

> > > [ 3 ]offering sharab to the sun is also for the

>saturn.The

> > >things that are under the Karkatwa of saturn are : iron and iron

> > >products , leather products , Liquor and Mustard oil. The last two

> > >being in the liquid form and they can be offered . If he were in

> > >India i would have suggested offering Mustard oil in a shani temple

> > >or a Bharav temple.the other alternative is liquor offered to Sun [

> > >he is Saturn's father]

> >

> > WHY ESTABLISH KUMBHA AND THE SAME TIME OFFER SARAB TO LORD SUN FOR

> > APPEASING SATURN ?

> >

> > WHILE BOTH SUN AND SATURN ARE BENEFIC, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF DOING

>THIS

> > REMEDIAL PROPITIATIONS?

> >

> > AWAITING YOUR FURTHER COMMENTS.

> >

> > BEST WISHES....................................................AMAR

>PURI.

> >

> > > [ 4 ] Manoj ji how on earth can you say ' he will not

> > >survive the Ketu period'? he will not only survive that but much

> > >beyond too.

> > >

> > > [ 5 ] sure he will be 59 during the Ketu period and

> > >Jup sub in the Ketu is likely to be the time

> > >

> > >with regards,

> > >

> > >upadhyay

> > >

> > >In gjlist, Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000>

> > >wrote:

> > > > Dear Upadhyay saheb,

> > > >

> > > > I got in touch with Bhardwaj and he has replied in negative for

>all

> > >your questions.

> > > > I have advised him to establish 'kumbha' in his house. Could you

> > >please tell the exact method as to how to establish kumbha like

>what

> > >should be the day, time and any matra has to be recited while

> > >establishing kumbha.

> > > > You are right about his wife. His wife has a fabulous career and

> > >her annual salary is 80 K (Canadian Dollars) per annum. So she is

> > >doing great by all means. He is worred about his own career.

> > > >

> > > > One thing I needed a small clarification is that during Saturn

>main

> > >period so far, Bhardwaj has quite ok career. I mean he was always

> > >known as a good journalist and was working with Times of India at a

> > >reasonably good position and good salary in India. What I mean to

> > >emphasis is that as his Saturn main peirod started, he was never

> > >unemployed even for a single day. But now he is unemployed for the

> > >last six months. Is this because, Saturn's main period is about to

> > >finish in a year or so for which the effect of Saturn has started

> > >waning? Kindly educate me on this.

> > > >

> > > > When you say that Mr. Bhardwaj would turn to spritualism, would

>it

> > >be when Ketu main period would start? I think, he won't survive

>Ketu

> > >main period. What do you say?

> > > >

> > > > Waiting for your reply.

> > > >

> > > > Yhanks

> > > > Manoj

> > > >

> > > > upadhyay_iitd <upadhyay_iitd> wrote:

> > > > Dear manoj ji,

> > > >

> > > > { 1 } No i donot think he needs wearing a pearl now,we don't

>need

> > > > strengthening the third house any way.

> > > > { 2 } presently he needs a job and thats the priority.For that

>we

> > > > have to provide strength to Saturn [ 10th lord ] and the Sun

>[the

> > > > Karak for any job] It was for this reason I had suggested that

>he

> > > > establishes a Kumbha [ an earthen pot filled with water ] in his

> > > > house ; and offering liquor [ sharab ] to the rising sun.

> > > > { 3 } Wearing a Diamond is going to cause problems and I had

> > >noticed

> > > > that. It was for this reason I had suggested that his wife

>should

> > > > bury any blue flower in a lonely place in the EVENING. this will

> > > > provide strength to Venus minus the 6th lordship effects

> > > > { 4 } I am glad that he is married because his wife will be

>like a

> > > > Kamdhenu for him.He must respect her and serve her. She will

> > >protect

> > > > him from all harm.So long as she is happy Mr Bhardwaj will

>prosper.

> > > > { 5 } Around the age of 59 Mr Bhardwaj will turn to

>spiritualism,

> > > > when all these worldly things are going to be meaningless any

>way

> > > >

> > > > ...Please confirm my other questions too from Mr Bhardwaj..

> > > >

> > > > Upadhyay, IIT Delhi

> > > >

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June 24, 2003

Thanks a lot for taking interest in Mr. Bhardwaj's chart.

As has been suggested by Mr. Upadhyay, I have conveyed to Mr. Bhardwaj to start

offering liquor to Sun to appease Saturn. I just need one clarification from

Mr. Upadhyay--what should be the quantity of the liquor that would be offered

to Lord Sun. I mean even the cheapest bottle of wine in Toronto may cost around

$ 20. I think Mr. Bhardwaj can afford to offer one bottle a week. Please comment

on it. The other thing is that how long one has to do this?.

Also Mr. Upadhyay, in light of Mr. Puri's observation, I want to ask you is it

necessary to ask Mr. Bhardwaj to wear Pearl to strengthen Moon?

I just want to again ask both of you, that if Mr. Bhardwaj wears good Pearl then

is there any chances of diamond suiting him?

By the way Mr. Updhyay are you in academics---I mean are you a professor or scientist?

Best regards to both of you.

Hello Mr. Upadhyay,My name is not fas fas. It is my company name. My name is

AMAR PURI and I thank you for replying.I may mention again that Lord Saturn on

account of its' strength ,placement at 11h of malefic Lord Jupiter plus

afflication by malefic Ketu renders weak and therefore, a weak planet is unable

to protect and promote the significances of 10 and 11h. It is quite desireable

to strengthen the weak planet. Now, the question is HOW? I am not getting in to

this discussion. This is one of a problem in the chart.The moon, though quite

strong, is in 6h looses his strength and becocmes weak. Therefore, it causes

health problem ( 6th house significance) for the native when he tried to wear

Diamond as it was said. Thus, Moon also needs to be strengthened.In my opinion,

the main problem I brought up and explained in my posting

which was addressed earlier to Manoj remains unanswered and I post it again

below for your kind comments;Hello Manoj,I am a beginner student of astrology.

So, I am not in a position to giveany advise but to make few comments based on

my knowledge and learning ofjyotish I have had from the learned people in this

group and others. So, Iinvite every one involved in this discussion group to

correct me in myattempt of understanding and interpretation of Mr. Bhardwaj's

horoscopewhich is as follows;1. Inspite of higher studies, he has failed to get

hold of his desired job(profession) whcih has caused frustration in his

professional career. Thereason being 8 and 11 lord (Jupiter) holds the key

sitting in 2nd h ofgeneral wealth and family. It is further confirmed in the

Navamsa chart.Lord Jupiter blessed him with a nice wife who is helping him.

Also Jupiterrules the 10h in the Navamsa. In the natal chart weak Saturn the

lord of10h of profession occupies the 11h of gain in the house of

functionalmalefic Jupiter afflicted by functional malefic Ke. becomes very help

lessand weak to protect and promote the significance of 10-11h. At present heis

in the sub period of malefic Jup. in the main period of weak Saturn andSaturn

is transiting in Gemini, in the 2nd.house occupied by malefic Ju.rendering the

native loss of job and all sorts of obstacles. Even LordJupiter is transitting

the 4th h is not helpful to the native because ofthe weak dispositor Moon in

the 6h. All the efforts of the native ininitiating any venture becomes

fruitless.Solution is that he must appease the malefics ; Lord Jupiter, Veneus,

Mars,Ra and Ke and strengthen the weak Lord Moon and Saturn immediately. Sun

andMer. are very well placed.Awaiting further comments. Best

wishes..................Amar

Puri.--------------------------------

"upadhyay_iitd" >gjlist>To:

gjlist>[GJ] Attn : fas fas>Tue, 24 Jun 2003

05:17:07 -0000>>>Dear fas fas ji,> [ 1 ] I was talking of the malefic effects

of Moon in the 6th and>not moon as a malefic per se. Apart from the moon I

wanted to make>sure whether Rahu and Ketu too are giving any malefic effects or

not .>> [ 2 ] Mr Bhardwaj is worried about his job and therefore the 10th>lord

Saturn comes into the picture.We got to strengthen it and hence>establishing

the kumbh>> [ 3 ] Sun is the Karak of employment and hence has to be

appeased>by the 10th lord Saturn.Saturn has the karkatwa over two things

in>the liquid form ie mustard oil and liquor . Therefore by offering>either of

these two things to the Sun we are trying to appease Sun .>This is an effort by

a son to appease his father . Remember Saturn is>a Surya Putra. The time to make

such an offering I had suggested is>evening and not morning because this time

period comes under the rule>of saturn.>> [ 4 ] Even if a planet is benefic ,

you may have to provide it>strength either through pooja , mantra or other

remedies based on the>folk wisdom . Strengthening a benefic will do no

harm>>>>with regards,>>upadhyay>>>>>gjlist, "fas fas"

>wrote:> > Hello Mr. Upadhyay,> >> > As a student of learning Jyotish, may I

ask questions which are in> > CAP.letters below your reply;> >>

>> > >"upadhyay_iitd" > > >gjlist> > >To:

gjlist> > >Re: [GJ] Bhardwaj's Horoscope> > >Date:

Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:46:58 -0000> > >> > >Dear Manoj ji,> > > [ 1 ] I had asked

all those questions to find out which>of> > >the planets are functioning as

malefics.I am glad that except for>moon> > >all the planets are ok.> >> > WHY

MOON IS FUNCTIONAL MALEFIC IN THE CHART OF BHARDWAJ'S>HOROSCOPE ?> >> > > [ 2 ]

establishing a Kumbha is to appease Saturn..and> > >therefore he should do it on

a Saturday after the sunset.Well he>can> > >think of any Ishta Dev while doing

it.> >> > IT SEEMS CONTRADICTION HERE. AS YOU SAID ABOVE THAT THERE ARE

NO>MALEFIC> >

EXCEPT MOON, CORRECT.> >> > THEN WHY TO APPEASE SATURN WHICH IS BENEFIC ?> >> >>

> > [ 3 ]offering sharab to the sun is also for the>saturn.The> > >things that

are under the Karkatwa of saturn are : iron and iron> > >products , leather

products , Liquor and Mustard oil. The last two> > >being in the liquid form

and they can be offered . If he were in> > >India i would have suggested

offering Mustard oil in a shani temple> > >or a Bharav temple.the other

alternative is liquor offered to Sun [> > >he is Saturn's father]> >> > WHY

ESTABLISH KUMBHA AND THE SAME TIME OFFER SARAB TO LORD SUN FOR> > APPEASING

SATURN ?> >> > WHILE BOTH SUN AND SATURN ARE BENEFIC, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF

DOING>THIS> > REMEDIAL PROPITIATIONS?> >> > AWAITING YOUR FURTHER COMMENTS.>

>> > BEST WISHES....................................................AMAR>PURI.>

>> >> > > [ 4 ] Manoj ji how on earth can you say ' he will not> > >survive the

Ketu period'? he will not only survive that but much> > >beyond too.> > >> > > [

5 ] sure he will be 59 during the Ketu period and> > >Jup sub in the Ketu is

likely to be the time> > >> > >> > >with regards,> > >> > >upadhyay> > >> > >>

> >> > >> > >In gjlist, Manoj Sharma > > >wrote:> > > > Dear

Upadhyay saheb,> > > >> > > > I got in touch with Bhardwaj and he has replied

in negative for>all> > >your questions.> > > > I have advised him to

establish 'kumbha' in his house. Could you> > >please tell the exact method as

to how to establish kumbha like>what> > >should be the day, time and any matra

has to be recited while> > >establishing kumbha.> > > > You are right about his

wife. His wife has a fabulous career and> > >her annual salary is 80 K (Canadian

Dollars) per annum. So she is> > >doing great by all means. He is worred about

his own career.> > > >> > > > One thing I needed a small clarification is that

during Saturn>main> > >period so far, Bhardwaj has quite ok career. I mean he

was always> > >known as a good journalist and was working with Times of India

at a> > >reasonably good position and good salary in India. What I mean to> >

>emphasis is that as his Saturn main peirod started, he was never> >

>unemployed even for a

single day. But now he is unemployed for the> > >last six months. Is this

because, Saturn's main period is about to> > >finish in a year or so for which

the effect of Saturn has started> > >waning? Kindly educate me on this.> > > >>

> > > When you say that Mr. Bhardwaj would turn to spritualism, would>it> > >be

when Ketu main period would start? I think, he won't survive>Ketu> > >main

period. What do you say?> > > >> > > > Waiting for your reply.> > > >> > > >

Yhanks> > > > Manoj> > > >> > > >> > > > upadhyay_iitd wrote:> > > > Dear manoj

ji,> > > >> > > > { 1 } No i donot think he needs wearing a pearl now,we

don't>need> > > > strengthening the third house

any way.> > > > { 2 } presently he needs a job and thats the priority.For

that>we> > > > have to provide strength to Saturn [ 10th lord ] and the

Sun>[the> > > > Karak for any job] It was for this reason I had suggested

that>he> > > > establishes a Kumbha [ an earthen pot filled with water ] in

his> > > > house ; and offering liquor [ sharab ] to the rising sun.> > > > { 3

} Wearing a Diamond is going to cause problems and I had> > >noticed> > > >

that. It was for this reason I had suggested that his wife>should> > > > bury

any blue flower in a lonely place in the EVENING. this will> > > > provide

strength to Venus minus the 6th lordship effects> > > > { 4 } I am glad that he

is married because his wife will be>like a> > > > Kamdhenu for him.He must

respect her

and serve her. She will> > >protect> > > > him from all harm.So long as she is

happy Mr Bhardwaj will>prosper.> > > > { 5 } Around the age of 59 Mr Bhardwaj

will turn to>spiritualism,> > > > when all these worldly things are going to be

meaningless any>way> > > >> > > > ...Please confirm my other questions too from

Mr Bhardwaj..> > > >> > > >> > > > Upadhyay, IIT Delhi> > > >> > > >> > > >> >

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June 24, 2003

Dear Manoj

I do not thinh Bhardwaj should offer liquor to Sun .

Generally liquor is considered in tamas guna or mode of ignorance .The money could be better spent .

Nicholas

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:07 AM

Re: [GJ] For a kind attn. of Mr. Upadhyay re: Bhardwasj's horoscope

Dear Mr. Uphdhyay and Mr. Puri,