Loneliness/Happiness

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Om Namao Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Namaste Listmembers,

 

Dear Tanvir, Cynthia et al,

I have read your discussions with interest

and find many of the planetary placements indicating loneliness and unhappiness

are loud and clear in my birth chart. 8th Dec 1958 1.01am (34S12 142E09) Asc

25Le58

My mother once told me I would never be happy and I became quite indignant. I

thought very seriously for a long time on this matter and to my surprise

realised there was only one thing that consistently bought me material

happiness...sitting in the spring or autumn sunshine, the kind that gently

warms to the very marrow of my bones. All else has been fleeting.

I have been born with a great gaping hole of pain that can't be filled, and

believe me I've tried!.

My chart may smack of bad karma but the saving grace is an effortless faith

in God. (No, not my imaginary friend!!) My personal God that is with me always.

I am never alone.

Sure, I find the dance of life totally amazing and awe inspiring, but what is

there to be happy about?.

Om Shanti,

Ann.

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Sure, I find the dance of life totally amazing and awe inspiring, but what is

there to be happy about?.

This weekend my younger brother and his wife came to visit with us...We did

touristy things in the Washington DC area...and one thing we did was to take a

tour of National Cathedral.

In the bowers of the cathedral is a repository behind an elaborate gate or

fence, for the remains of dead persons.......and to the left of this gate there

is a much-touched brass plaque that has both English words and an oft-traced

Braille inscription on it...the plaque explains: "Helen Keller and her lifelong

companion Anne Sullivan Macy are interred in the columbarium behind this chapel"

Is there any of us who has experienced a lonelier life than Hellen Keller's was,

who could not hear anything nor anyone, could not see anyone or anything, was

unable to speak to anyone or anything?

Is there any of us who has uplifted and inspired others even half as much as

Helen Kerr and Anne Sullivan did?

Love to all,

Carol

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Namaste Listmembers,

 

Dear Carol,

Thank you for writing.

I have been trying to pluck the courage to write to you privately and apologise.

When last we interacted I was argumentative. It may have appeared I dismissed

your wisdom. This is not so. To my own detriment, I did not act on it. Please

forgive me.

I also want to thankyou for sharing difficult personal information. It took

courage and I admire you for that.

Basically I was making two points in my previous post,

1) We are extolled to act true to our nature

2) I don't believe 'bliss' is a prerequisite for moksha

The trines 1,5,9 and position of lagna lord will give an initial indication

of one's nature. Tenated by malefics may at the very least tend to a serious

outlook or disposition.

A weak or poorly placed Moon may exacerbate or negatively impact the

underlying nature.

Why counsel a person to be 'happy' when it is not part of their fundamental

nature?. The pronouncement "you will never be happy" is unnecessary. Actually

the concept of 'happiness' is extraneous!.

Loneliness may deserve closer scrutiny. I would like to see Helen Kellers

chart if you have the time and energy.

Tanvir suggested involvement of 3,8,12 houses and their lords. This makes

good sense as 3,8 are 'life' houses and 12th is isolation or loss. I have the

triple whammy; weak Moon, lord of 12th in 3rd with 5,8 lord Jupiter.

Jupiter rules 5th, things we like to do, and deposits Ketu in pisces 8th, so

mostly I enjoy my own company. Regrettably, I do ostracise myself through my

nasty-streak and bad mouth

The pain I experience, yet so inadequately describe, is a yearning, a pining

through seperation from God. I know ordinary humans can't grant my release and

it would be unproductive and unfair to expect it.

So, basically I am behaving in a manner true to my inherent nature. I am blessed!.

Om Shanti

Love, Ann.

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Dear Carol

Thank you for this. Just reading it is deeply moving. I still remember reading

her story as a girl.

 

When a client comes before me and says they are not happy or that there is

nothing to be happy about I almost immediately feel that they are trapped

within them selves. My suggestion is volunteer work. Not writing a check to

make a donation, but hands on volunteer work where you deliver the meals on

wheels or help out in a hospital. Something where you take action and co can

feel how deeply folks are touched by simple acts of kindness.

 

Having a 15 year old girl around me, I see how self absorbed they are. They are

also very unhappy most of the time. They are so self absorbed that a word or a

change in plans can set them off in a snit. I was told by a child psychologist

that this improves after they learn to drive because they have to look outside

them selves to drive.

 

I personally can be in a really bad mood. Then I work with a client and as they

remember who they are through the session I am rejuvenated and filled with joy.

Left by myself I could eventually get there, but through helping another it

moves very quickly.

 

Just a few thoughts on a rainy morning in TX... BTW, we like rainy mornings here.

 

smiles

c

Just an observation.

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Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com

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Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:12 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: Loneliness/Happiness

In a message dated 6/4/2003 11:56:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, evie1 (AT) iinet (DOT) net.au writes:

Sure, I find the dance of life totally amazing and awe inspiring, but what is

there to be happy about?.This weekend my younger brother and his wife came to

visit with us...We did touristy things in the Washington DC area...and one

thing we did was to take a tour of National Cathedral. In the bowers of the

cathedral is a repository behind an elaborate gate or fence, for the remains of

dead persons.......and to the left of this gate there is a much-touched brass

plaque that has both English words and an oft-traced Braille inscription on

it...the plaque explains: "Helen Keller and her lifelong companion Anne

Sullivan Macy are interred in the columbarium behind this chapel"Is there any

of us who has experienced a lonelier life than Hellen Keller's was, who could

not hear anything nor anyone, could not see anyone or anything, was unable to

speak to anyone or anything?Is there any of us who has uplifted and inspired

others even half as much as Helen Kerr and Anne Sullivan did?Love to all,Carol

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> But getting exactly what we want and keeping it, nay, that be but a dream

> for the unhappy to cherish in their tears of woe.

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Thank you for this post Das,

the words above are so rich they warrant reposting here and rehearing.

 

Smiles while I sit here alone reworking an article for the general public.

It is about the summer and I'm looking at this as a potential Renaissance

not just a birthday.

c

 

 

 

 

 

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What you all are discussing reminds of the basic paradigm I was taught in

Hare Krishna way back when:

 

We're here because we're selfish, ie, self absorbed.

 

Spirit world is where we are focused on service to Divine Center, instead.

 

My own realizations about my own pain and cure flow along the lines y'all

are revealing in your discussions here of late.

 

One of the most "happinin" places in Eugene, a place where there's lots of

pretty people with smiles on their faces, is the organization that sends

them out door to door collecting funds for all the environmental

organizations. In other words, service oriented place. There's music, food,

fun, people working, people hugging. So, if one is lonely, yes, one can

consider getting out and getting involved. It usually works tremendously.

 

I am still lonely personally, kindof, but I choose to stay in this room and

further what I've started. Knowing the profound nature of it, I am

comforted. I feel the souls it affects, and when I can't feel them, I try to

remind myself of them, you all, others, many. I think to myself "I'll get

out and get personal later. For now, this is my service".

 

You can't change your karma: My daughter married a chap who works at/helps

manage, a health spa, human body repair clinic here in Eugene. It has

massage, chiropractic, and many other services which help repair and

maintain people who are broken in various ways. So this is the thing- she

got burned early, and now she/he are involved with broken bodies. They're

everywhere, so it seems, when you work in it constantly. It's a big

reminder. We're simply not here to master/enjoy, but tolerate, learn, grow,

share, help, etc., and in the end, die, ie, leave, do more of it, or go to a

higher place, or merge into the oneness, whatever the truth may be.

 

But getting exactly what we want and keeping it, nay, that be but a dream

for the unhappy to cherish in their tears of woe.

 

I speak big and act small, don't look my way for perfection in spirit.

 

lil upstart student...