Guest guest Posted May 17, 2003 Report Share Posted May 17, 2003 Dear Sanjay Let me clear this first I have never said that astrology is illogical, I have said that all source of knowledge comes from our true self and from the universal soul who guide us all when it requires, an astrology is truly a divine science a example of this is that a person visit a astrologer only at that time when the stars are in tune with him. An astrologer can clearly put the chart and see that and tell the things of his present or what will happen in near future with a horary chart. So I think an astrologer is blessed with nature he is nearly a mystic. What is definition of mystic by dictionary the occult or supernatural another meaning is who surrender to god and in tune with God. So I think those who are really in tune with nature and honest are the real astrologer who are blessed. When a child try to ride a bicycle he tries with lots of effort in passage of time he learnt and then it comes to him naturally like that initially a person when try to analyze a chart it takes much time but when he has spend his years in reading the charts it comes naturally like some one else is doing that he is just a doer. In lal kitab most of the things are pointing to some direction we have to find the way it is not clearly mentioned what is the real path all are mystified. Like you gave an example of rahu being placed in first house then it spoils the house of sun it is true and it is precise. Now another point in lal kitab when ever sun and Saturn are placed in any house there will be only one person who will earn in same house i.e. when son starts earning father will not earn as he will retire this is true in every chart which has Saturn and sun conjunction a very simple and straight forward rule. Saturn placement in seventh a controversial rule not to discuss here already stones are thrown at me. There are so many rules, which are fundamentals which if we research on that and mix Vedic plus lalkitab rules we can predict and help our selves to much extent. So I hope we should be flexible and try to analyze every rule research on lots of horoscopes and then see if it works or not. Like in lalkitab things are burry in earth what is logic of this say if a planet is being hurt or disturb so they burry the things of that planet into earth. First this means they are giving the support of earth and second they are destroying the characteristics of that planet mystically. If we tell a person that come on your sun is badly placed in horoscope go and burry some copper coins into earth he cannot understand the logic. So here is the mystics because some mystic thing happens when he does this I think there is no big logic for this. In my case I was told to throw honey in to cremation ground my mars is placed in eight house. I did that after some time I have a very bad experience it was nearly escape from near death experience or much harm could have happened, I was wondering why did this happened if I did the remedy. I was told that yes it was like that you may have got much harm but it was in your destiny that you will get the remedy and which will help you so that’s why you are saved and nothing much bad happened. The logic behind the remedy may be that honey is ruled by mars so symbolically the things related to mars were sending to cremation ground, which helped me in mystical way. These remedies are mystical and there may be logics behind all but our mind is not so capable to reach or see that all. I think lalkitab should be researched not condemn at all it is an assets to an astrological world which is not meant to proof the logical world of its genuineness. It is really meant to help the masses, which I think it is doing the purpose. With my humble regards Tarun Chopra naastrology/ >Om devaguru brihaspataye namah >Dear Tarun, >While I agree that it is good to be a seer, and don't know what your definition is, but for me it means a soul who has achieved the asta-siddhi, to say that astrology is illogical is something I cannot agree to. There is perfect knowledge and logic. Your lack of knowledge should be given to mean that the knowledge is not there. It is there and people have to learn it. It is a Shastra like Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra. >Man entering with red clothers means Mars is strongly influencing the dvara rasi (door rasi) and so on.There is a logic and mysticism and claims to 'divine power' are all bogus talk. One who is truly spiritual does not have to profess it. The world will know. You don't have to become a mystic to be an astrologer nor be an astrologer to be a mystic. Please quote the dictum or the source from where you learnt this. Please don't give me answers like this was revealed to you because of some mystical power or some mystic told this to you. This mysticism and magic is the cause of scientists and many rational thinkers laughing at the hocus pocus involved in Vedic astrology and we cannot allow this farce to continue. If Lal Kitab requires mysticism or such special power like Karna Pisachini siddhi (power obtained by special female pisachi who speaks the past and present events into the ears), then it is fine with Lal Kitab, but such practises are abhorred in Jyotish and the practitioners are to be kept at bay. Even practises like planchet and spirit calling are totally looked down on in Vedic astrology as the path of the gayatri is professed to be the best for the soul (read varahamihira, Saravali et.al who start with their prayer to Savitur - rasava karana devata). >How can you expect someone like me to respect a body of knowledge that says Venus can be in the 7th house from Mercury!!! Am I blind or has my intelligence become so dull that I do not know the simple calculations of planetary positions. If there is something good in it, then this is what I am prepared to learn with a big THANK YOU. So instead of giving out all this on how our attitude should be, why don't you give us a few readings or a few quotes from the Lal Kitab. If you cannot do so, let me show you how to do it. >To all readers: There is a lot of good things in the lal Kitab as well and that is why I have categorically stated - only look at the Jyotish in it and STAY FAR AWAY from the remedies. In two cases of people whose charts I have never seen you saw how this book came to them during the period of Rahu as i had correctly estimated. So be very careful. This knowledge is fine for Jyotish principles but can destroy your spiritual path. > >OK back to the main point. I cannot remember everything nor do I have the books here, but if I recollect one stanza reads - >"Rahu baitha tarvat par to tarvat charane laga >Jis ghar pe suraj baitha, vahan grahan aane laga"..something like this. >This is one of the finest teachings of the lal kitab. If Rahu is in the throne i.e. Lagna or 10th house, then the Sun becomes very malefic and in whichever house the Sun is placed, the effects of an eclipse shall come to that house. Like this there are a lot of good things to learn from that book, but do that at your risk and only if you are regular with the Ista mantra. In the horoscope of Indian independance, the Rahu sits in the first house or throne indicatng the Sun will become very malefic and destroy whichever house it is in. The Sun is in the third house of neighbours and you can see that since 1947, the relationship with Pakisthan has never been good. Pakisthan also had a split into Pakistan and Bangladesh because of this eclipse combination. There is a lot of political strife in all the neighbouring nations. > >So, Tarun, this is the way to talk and give the matter, else no one will understand anything. And if you try to preach, the people in this are too learned for that...they can sing the Bhagavatam to you. So please take this in the right spirit and encourage the study of Jyotish in a logical manner. > >With best wishes & regards, >I remain >Sanjay Rath >-------- >Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India >Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: http://srath.com <http://srath.com> >-------- > > > > tarun chopra [astrotarun] >Saturday, May 17, 2003 9:29 AM >vedic astrology >Re: [vedic astrology] Re: lalkitab a wonderful book > > > >Hello Rajesh > >I know that the things which I say are difficult to understand, if you have good eight house in your horoscope you could have understand your self no one is going to come to give you the answers of the mysteries of this world. It has to experience it your self so I will not give any logics to proof my point I have just wrote the things which I have experience if you like to experience it you should open your eyes and be sensitive to your environment. > > A good astrologer is a great seer he can predict from any thing like if a person enters with right foot then what will happen and if he comes with left foot what will happen. What kind of clothes he is wearing etc. so astrology is not a logical science if you come to practice it you have to become an mystic first then you can become an astrologer and give the remedies to people which can help them. > >With kind regards > >Tarun Chopra >naastrology/ > > > _ Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. Just Rs.1499/year. To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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