Sani - my view - tushar

May 15, 2003

Dear Tushar,

Please do share. I also would like to think over those points.

Regards,

Darshan SP

tushar trivedi

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my view - Darshan

05/14/03 05:41

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Dear Darshan,

Our interests are very much similar. Being a science student I have always

tried to find the things in scintific ways. If we see development of human

life then we can clearly obseve that at one point of time something appears

like miracle or mystry becomes science after years. It may hundreds or

thousands year that is different thing. Same way this is also must be pure

science or some system like that but unfortunetly it is too much

complecated that we don't know how many years will take to findout mystries

of astrology.

I have lots of question in my mind like you have but unfortunetly can not

find answer. Personally I could not devoted time for this and other

material are not available. Most of books and astrologer are prejudiced by

old books and old rules and people have made this subject a matter of faith

and miracle.

I would like to share my biggest confusion with you. We know that

personality of person can be predicted by chart like his/her instincts, way

of thinking, temperament, intellegence, etc. so many factos. Almost all are

closesly related with genetics or DNA map. Now interesting point is these

all factos are decided before 270 days (9 months) before person born. Then

what is the significance of birth time?

Another question in my mind is aspects of planets. We have been taught that

all planets see 7th house from where they are placed and Mars,Jup. and

Saturn has some extra vision. If we look at the sky there is nothing like

direction and we all know that any kind of rays always travels in all

direction so all planets must effect in all direction (360 degrees). Why

only 3 planets have extra vision and why it is limited to only 2 extra

houses?

These are two example, I have lots of confusion and questions of similar

type that I will share with you if you are interested.

regards,

Tushar

darshan.pawargi wrote:

Dear Tushar,

Thanks!. That is something new vision i got today. As i always want to

corelate astrology

with astronomy and in retrograde motion the retro planet is close to

earth(not sure though that

it necessarily be near to earth).

I saw one site little bit explaining this--

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/retrograde/copernican.html

I also am interested to know how exactly the energies can be said to exalt

or be delibated

in particular signs. For example if for guru in cancer is said to be

exalted meaning that in

the solar system it must be having some special postion or energy that

could be most/peak

benifical. The exaclty opposite position which it aspects is the position

it has least/worst

benific(malefic). The fact u said that nearer to earth bothers a lot. Also

does the size

of the planet.

If anybody can add or give info where u can find these kind or corelation

study.....

Regards,

Darshan SP

tushar trivedi

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Dear Mr. Darshan,

What I think is when it is Vakri it is nearer to Earth than when it is not

Vakri. So it's effects becomes stronger and result is incresed according

to

its role.

Tushar

darshan.pawargi wrote:

Dear Group,

I understand from the discussion that Sani is said to be benific for

tula/libra and vrishab/taurus lagna/ascendents.

But what if it is vakri/retrograde? Does that have any special

significance.

Darshan SP

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Two of my friend are having moon in Pisc. They both have passed through

sadsati at the same time while saturn passes thorough Aq.-Pisc.- Aries.

(1993 to 2000)

I have seen both life. One has saturn in 7th house in Gemini. This person

have lost his father, his job, lots of money in business. He had to break

his relation after engagement and faced emotional depression. His life was

like hell during this time. But in last phase surprisingly he got many

things back. I mean he got fantastic job. He got beautiful and perfect

life

partner and now is happy and feeling at the top of world. Everything has

happened in his life in this period of sadesati. So what can be the

conclusion ????????

Another friend has Saturn in 2nd house in Tarus. During sadesatii in same

period nothing bad happen in his life. I mean his life was simply normal.

So what can be the conslusion?????????

regards,

Tushar

Neeraj Gupta wrote:

hi,

Also I would like to tell you that whole period of

sadhesati is not bad (or it appears to be bad),

sometimes second phase is good(depends upon planetary

combination). So you may be examining only one phase

and ignoring others.

neeraj

--- Vivek wrote:

> Hello Ajai,

> you have written--

> I do not see any effect of sade sati.

> Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani

> in

> 3rd house(good placing for self) or some other

> effects. I would like to hear the comments of all

> friends

> There can be a big difference between what you see

> and what is.

> A lot of things are not externally visible to

> others. -- sade sati

> in particular operates a lot at the mental

> level.Kind of secret

> suffering.

> You can look at someone's situation externally but

> you cannot know

> what is happening internally.You may see someone

> prosper -- but

> the prosperity itself maybe causing problems to that

> person.

> This person is running a good dasha now.A bad dasha

> with sade sati

> would be worse than a good dasha with sadesati.

> Still sadesati shows it's efect.There is no such

> thing as good

> sadesati.

> No one is exempt from sadesati.

> A lot of astrologers too get fooled into thinking

> that sadesati

> has no significance--- by observing the persons

> situation

> externally.A lot of people do not like to discuss

> their problems

> in detail.

> Regards,

> vivek.

>

> On Tue, 13 May 2003 ajai singh wrote :

> >Greetings to all friends

> >

> >I have read various posts on Sani (Which is

> commonly

> >considered bad). I have also observed many

> instances

> >where people have got everthing good during Sani's

> >sade sati or Sani's dasa. I know a native whose

> chart

> >has following placements

> >

> >Cancer (Lagana)

> >second house Ketu

> >third house Sani

> >fourth house Mars (retrogate)

> >eighth house Rahu

> >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 deg)

> >Eleventh house Moon and Sun

> >

> >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, 1952 at

> >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in

> >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under sade

> >sati at present. During this period he has attained

> >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade sati.

> >Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani

> in

> >3rd house(good placing for self) or some other

> >effects. I would like to hear the comments of all

> >friends

> >

> >Ajai Singh

> >

> >--- Tanvir wrote:

> > > Dear Neeraj,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your post about positive views on

> Saturn.

> > > Both views are needed in life :-)

> > >

> > > Please see below for my replies.

> > > >>>>Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and

> > > downtimes

> > > gives us some lessons that are used in later

> part

> > > of

> > > life. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem

> bad

> > > while bad period or low period is going, but

> that

> > > becomes the basis of good times ahead.<<<<

> > >

> > > Sade Sati, not necessarily will give good at

> last.

> > > I can not agree to this. Sade Sati is simple a

> bad

> > > transit - which makes people suffer. If you

> benefit

> > > from it, it will be for other influences on

> Saturn.

> > > But it is not compulsory / sure that Sade Sati

> makes

> > > people suffer to make the basis of good time. Do

> not

> > > you think that? Basically, from it's self

> nature,

> > > Sade Sati is bad.

> > >

> > > If Sade Sati was good to make the basis of

> future

> > > good time, the learned Gurus here

> (Vedic-Astrology

> > > list) would not give remedies for Sade Sati.

> They

> > > would advice us to endure this. Do not you think

> so?

> > >

> > > Even Guru Sanjay Jee suffered for Sade Sati as

> he

> > > already mentioned that is why he suggested Sri

> > > Chamakam so that any other person does not

> suffer

> > > for this.

> > >

> > > >>> One do the

> > > hardwork and thus gain knowledge and

> experience.

> > > <<<

> > >

> > > There are many kind of experience. But in this

> > > material world, we never like to get touch

> > > experiences. Do we?

> > >

> > > When you think from religious side, then every

> > > suffering and tough times are lessons which we

> need.

> > > Then, you can say that Saturn is not bad. But

> > > actually, then no planets are bad. Because

> suffering

> > > might come from any planet and from a spiritual

> > > sense all sufferings are needed for us that is

> why

> > > no planet is bad in that sense. Planets are the

> > > incarnation of Lord remember, to give us our

> Karma

> > > phaal.

> > >

> > > >>>Yes,

> > > it is true rough times are hard to sustain,

> but a

> > > there is a positive part also. One tends to

> think

> > > on

> > > different pattern. <<<

> > >

> > > Not necessarily Sade Sati will make you learn

> to

> > > think positive. It depends on other matters!

> Sade

> > > Sati itself does not hold the nature. Please do

> not

> > > make this mistake.

> > >

> > > >>>Thanks to sadhesati of Shani,

> > > otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked

> up

> > > astrology and devoted my time on that. Now

> > > atleast, I

> > > know some of the concepts of this art and as

> each

> > > day

> > > progresses, I get to learn new things.<<<

> > >

> > > Again, do not think that Sade Sati made you

> learn

> > > astrology. That would be a very big mistake to

> think

> > > that!! All people go through Sade Sati if they

> live

> > > a general span of life. But how many people get

> into

> > > astrology? Please never make this mistake. There

> are

> > > combinations for spiritual knowledge or

> astrology

> > > knowledge what is being discussed currently in

> the

> > > 'Vedic-astrology' list. Spiritual knowledge or

> > > Jyotish is indicated from other ways Neeraj. You

> > > must have those indications in your chart.

> Thousands

> > > of Sade Sati will not get you into astrology

> unless

> > > indicated in your chart in those ways.

> > >

> > > >>>Now, I feel one should be positive about

> it. As

> > > Good

> > > times were gone, so will the bad times. But

> the

>

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