Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Hi Tanvir, Thanks for your nice comments. I would further like to add that during transits of shani, a person has to go through down phase (sometimes as based on position os sani in chart) in life. Also these are my views about Shanidev. I am sharing here (according to best of my knowledge). Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and downtimes gives us some lessons that are used in later part of life. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem bad while bad period or low period is going, but that becomes the basis of good times ahead. One do the hardwork and thus gain knowledge and experience. Yes, it is true rough times are hard to sustain, but a there is a positive part also. One tends to think on different pattern. Thanks to sadhesati of Shani, otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked up astrology and devoted my time on that. Now atleast, I know some of the concepts of this art and as each day progresses, I get to learn new things. Now, I feel one should be positive about it. As Good times were gone, so will the bad times. But the low periods (in which one works more, and get less rewards and a lot of other struggles are there) paves the way for good times. And one last point, which I would like to add is that, When you get something after a lot of hard work, struggles, problems and patience. You really, really care for that and know its value in your life. So, Let us take this part as also positive. If I used anything wrong, or away from the truth. Kindly correct me by giving your suggestions. regards, Neeraj I am just trying to look from a positive point of view. --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > Dear members, > > 1. This article is available with images at > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro/articles/saturn.htm > 2. Any comments, suggestions and guidance from the > learned and senior members and Gurus will be welcome > and appreciated. > > Saturn - Sani Dev > > > Astronomical facts > > Saturn is the sixth planet from the sun and is also > the second largest planet, with a radius of 37,366 > miles. It is said to have a small core of rock and > iron, then a layer of ice and lastly topped by a > deep layer of liquid hydrogen. > > Saturn is different from other known planets for the > rings it has. No planet in this solar system has > rings like Saturn does. The rings consist of small > pieces of ice and rock, are 62,000 kilometers wide > but just 100 meters thick. The rings are actually > made of thousands of closely spaced ringlets, > looking like a gramophone record disk. > > Saturn has 22 known natural satellites, more than > any other planet does. > > Vedic Astrological view > > While in this era of science, talking about the > 'Physical Saturn', we must not also forget about the > 'Spiritual Saturn' having (Even a little) knowledge > of Vedic concepts. From the Vedic point of view, the > physical Saturn is only a representation of Sani Dev > / Shanaischaram (Saturn God). By the movement of the > physical Saturn, we understand the intention of > Saturn God (Sani) about us. Saturn God is the > natural ruler of karma, and to understand our own > karma, we must first understand Sani. > > Sani is one of the three children of Sun and Chaya > Devi. From the Vedic texts, we can learn a lot about > Sani. Many times the power of his gaze have been > mentioned in the classics. We learn that right after > Sani was born, his gaze caused Sun's charioteer to > fall down and break his thigh; Sun's horses to get > blind; and Sun himself caught vitiligo for Sani's > powerful gaze on him. They were healed only when > Sani moved his gaze away and looked at somewhere > else. > > This clarifies the power which Sani has in his gaze. > > In Jyotish, Sani is considered a very malefic > planet. The nine planets are the incarnation of Lord > to bestow us the result of our karma - which are the > lessons we need to learn. And most of the times, the > toughest lessons are taught by Sani. In our school, > we always have different teachers for different > subjects like Math, Language, Physics etc. Just like > that, different planets teach us different kind of > lessons, and most of the times the teacher Sani > teaches us very painful lessons. This is not > something to doubt when we learn from the BPHS that > Sani is the natural giver of grief. > > In general, Sani is considered the most malefic > planet, and the most painful, stressful yogas > involve Sani most of the times. When Sani maleficly > affect something, it slows the matter down, and > causes obstructuions and delays in it's > fruitfulness. Sani also rules separation, it hurts > us by taking things away from us. When we face a > painful separation from our parents, spouse, friends > or anyone we care for, Sani is always a possibility > for that. Ketu also causes separation as it rules > non-attachement, but separations and delays are > among the main significations of Sani. It's > association with venus / 7th lord causes separation > from spouse most of the times. Though the final > comment should be made seeing Sani's strength, > placement and lordship, as for Taurus and Libra > natives Sani is a functional benefic being a Yoga > karaka. But even then Sani will not forget to remind > his nature sometimes. That is my personal view on > this. > > Sani is a planet of Tamasic quality. It is a planet > of extreme nature. When it favours someone, it gives > very favourable effects. Oppositely, when anyone > receives it's curse, undescribable pain and miseries > he or she faces in life. Sani purifies a person by > giving immense sorrow and pain, as fire purifies the > gold. > > Favourable effects of Sani on one's nature include > in-depth knowledge, sensibility, wisdom, justice, > broadness of mind, honesty, patience, ability to > work hard etc. In life, he may give wealth, fortune, > long life etc. when auspicious and well placed. > > On the other hand, when badly afflicting a person's > nature, Sani can make one sadistic, greedy, lazy, > dishonest, fearful, irresponsable and even addicted > to drugs. Sani causes obstruction, delay, grief, > poverty, short life etc. It makes a person totally > lonely, helpless and can make one suffer from > enmity, theft, lawsuits etc. Sani can also give > imprisonment since it rules obstruction, lonelyness > and grief. > > In our bodies, Sani mainly rules bones, nails, teeth > etc. Sani gives chronic diseases as the person > suffers for a long time - again showing his nature > of slowness and delays. > > When badly effecting one's profession, Sani makes > one work very hard but does not give the proper > reward he deserves. That is why social servants and > people who earn their living by physical labour are > ruled by Sani. This is because Sani rules the Sudras > (4th caste). As per BPHS, Sani abodes in filthy > places. > > For the power of his gaze, Sani has tremendous > afflicting ability by his mere aspects, which he > casts on 3rd, 7th and 10th houses from his own > position. > > Among other planets used in Vedic Astrology, Saturn > is the last one counted from Sun's position. That is > why Sani Dev rules 'The last' or 'The end' of > anything. In our material world, death is the end of > everything, and that is why, Sani rules death and > longevity issues. It is the natural significator of > 8th house in astrology. We know that 8th house deals > with sorrows, depressions and occult. That is why > Sani also deals with Magic, Tantra, Jyotish etc. > > Sani was lamed by another son of the Sun, named Yama > (God of death) when he hit Sani in his leg. So Sani > is always very slow in his movement. One name of > Sani, as I already mentioned, is 'Shanaischaram' > which means the slow mover. He takes around 2.5 > years to pass through a sign, thus he takes around > 30 years to complete the travel over the whole > zodiac. So he rules slowness, patience etc. > > The great phase (Maha Dasha) of Sani lasts for 19 > years. Even than the Maha Dasha, Sani gets the > strong hold of a person by his transit over the > 12th, 1st and 2nd signs from his or her natal Moon. > This is called 'Sade Sati' since it lasts for about > 7.5 years. > > Sani lords over the signs Capricorn (Makara) and > Aquarius (Kumbha) with Aquarius being his > Mooltrikona sign. He is exalted in Libra and > debilitated in Aries. His natural friends are > Mercury, Venus and Rahu. while enemies are Sun, > Moon, Mars and Ketu. He has neutral relationship > with Dev Guru Jupiter. He is ruler of the three > nakshatras named Pushya (8), Anuradha (17) and > Uttara Bhadrapada (26). He rules 8 in the numbers, > Saturday in the weekdays, and aqua, blue and black > in colours. His favourite gemstone is blue saphhire > wearing which strengthens Sani's effect on a person. > > The pacification ways of Sani Dev include donation > of black clothes, mustard oil, black daal, sesame > etc. to the poor and helping and serving the old and > needy people since Sani signifies all these. Maha > Rishi Parasara suggests donating a black cow or > feeding Brahmins with rice cooked with powder of > sesame seeds to appease Sani Dev. Chanting Sri > Chamakam is said to be the best remedy for Sade > Sati. Maha Mrityunjaya and prayers to Lord Hamuman > also help a lot to pacify the malefic Sani. > > May Shani Dev be pleased with us and grant us with > knowledge, peace and happines. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > ===== http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. 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Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Dear Neeraj, Thanks for your post about positive views on Saturn. Both views are needed in life :-) Please see below for my replies. >>>>Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and downtimesgives us some lessons that are used in later part oflife. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem badwhile bad period or low period is going, but thatbecomes the basis of good times ahead.<<<< Sade Sati, not necessarily will give good at last. I can not agree to this. Sade Sati is simple a bad transit - which makes people suffer. If you benefit from it, it will be for other influences on Saturn. But it is not compulsory / sure that Sade Sati makes people suffer to make the basis of good time. Do not you think that? Basically, from it's self nature, Sade Sati is bad. If Sade Sati was good to make the basis of future good time, the learned Gurus here (Vedic-Astrology list) would not give remedies for Sade Sati. They would advice us to endure this. Do not you think so?Even Guru Sanjay Jee suffered for Sade Sati as he already mentioned that is why he suggested Sri Chamakam so that any other person does not suffer for this. >>> One do thehardwork and thus gain knowledge and experience. <<< There are many kind of experience. But in this material world, we never like to get touch experiences. Do we? When you think from religious side, then every suffering and tough times are lessons which we need. Then, you can say that Saturn is not bad. But actually, then no planets are bad. Because suffering might come from any planet and from a spiritual sense all sufferings are needed for us that is why no planet is bad in that sense. Planets are the incarnation of Lord remember, to give us our Karma phaal. >>>Yes,it is true rough times are hard to sustain, but athere is a positive part also. One tends to think ondifferent pattern. <<< Not necessarily Sade Sati will make you learn to think positive. It depends on other matters! Sade Sati itself does not hold the nature. Please do not make this mistake. >>>Thanks to sadhesati of Shani,otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked upastrology and devoted my time on that. Now atleast, Iknow some of the concepts of this art and as each dayprogresses, I get to learn new things.<<< Again, do not think that Sade Sati made you learn astrology. That would be a very big mistake to think that!! All people go through Sade Sati if they live a general span of life. But how many people get into astrology? Please never make this mistake. There are combinations for spiritual knowledge or astrology knowledge what is being discussed currently in the 'Vedic-astrology' list. Spiritual knowledge or Jyotish is indicated from other ways Neeraj. You must have those indications in your chart. Thousands of Sade Sati will not get you into astrology unless indicated in your chart in those ways.>>>Now, I feel one should be positive about it. As Goodtimes were gone, so will the bad times. But the lowperiods (in which one works more, and get less rewardsand a lot of other struggles are there) paves the wayfor good times.And one last point, which I would like to add is that,When you get something after a lot of hard work,struggles, problems and patience. You really, reallycare for that and know its value in your life. So, Letus take this part as also positive.<<< That is good. I wish that people suffer for Sade Sati would get the benfit for this suffering. But I do not think that they get the benefit always. When you use hard work, perseverence, patience to get a reward, that is a positive of Saturn Neeraj. But negative Saturn gives you almost nothing (Than lessons) for the sufferings. Please do not make this mistake.>>I am just trying to look from a positive point of view.<< Great! In life, or even in astrology, never use "only positive" or "only negative" views! You can never judge something then, nor can you make good predictions!! Try to judge "As it really is". That would be better. It is not the nature of Sade Sati to make you learn astrology. RegardsTanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Greetings to all friends I have read various posts on Sani (Which is commonly considered bad). I have also observed many instances where people have got everthing good during Sani's sade sati or Sani's dasa. I know a native whose chart has following placements Cancer (Lagana) second house Ketu third house Sani fourth house Mars (retrogate) eighth house Rahu tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 deg) Eleventh house Moon and Sun He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, 1952 at 10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under sade sati at present. During this period he has attained new heights. I do not see any effect of sade sati. Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani in 3rd house(good placing for self) or some other effects. I would like to hear the comments of all friends Ajai Singh --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > Dear Neeraj, > > Thanks for your post about positive views on Saturn. > Both views are needed in life :-) > > Please see below for my replies. > >>>>Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and > downtimes > gives us some lessons that are used in later part > of > life. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem bad > while bad period or low period is going, but that > becomes the basis of good times ahead.<<<< > > Sade Sati, not necessarily will give good at last. > I can not agree to this. Sade Sati is simple a bad > transit - which makes people suffer. If you benefit > from it, it will be for other influences on Saturn. > But it is not compulsory / sure that Sade Sati makes > people suffer to make the basis of good time. Do not > you think that? Basically, from it's self nature, > Sade Sati is bad. > > If Sade Sati was good to make the basis of future > good time, the learned Gurus here (Vedic-Astrology > list) would not give remedies for Sade Sati. They > would advice us to endure this. Do not you think so? > > Even Guru Sanjay Jee suffered for Sade Sati as he > already mentioned that is why he suggested Sri > Chamakam so that any other person does not suffer > for this. > > >>> One do the > hardwork and thus gain knowledge and experience. > <<< > > There are many kind of experience. But in this > material world, we never like to get touch > experiences. Do we? > > When you think from religious side, then every > suffering and tough times are lessons which we need. > Then, you can say that Saturn is not bad. But > actually, then no planets are bad. Because suffering > might come from any planet and from a spiritual > sense all sufferings are needed for us that is why > no planet is bad in that sense. Planets are the > incarnation of Lord remember, to give us our Karma > phaal. > > >>>Yes, > it is true rough times are hard to sustain, but a > there is a positive part also. One tends to think > on > different pattern. <<< > > Not necessarily Sade Sati will make you learn to > think positive. It depends on other matters! Sade > Sati itself does not hold the nature. Please do not > make this mistake. > > >>>Thanks to sadhesati of Shani, > otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked up > astrology and devoted my time on that. Now > atleast, I > know some of the concepts of this art and as each > day > progresses, I get to learn new things.<<< > > Again, do not think that Sade Sati made you learn > astrology. That would be a very big mistake to think > that!! All people go through Sade Sati if they live > a general span of life. But how many people get into > astrology? Please never make this mistake. There are > combinations for spiritual knowledge or astrology > knowledge what is being discussed currently in the > 'Vedic-astrology' list. Spiritual knowledge or > Jyotish is indicated from other ways Neeraj. You > must have those indications in your chart. Thousands > of Sade Sati will not get you into astrology unless > indicated in your chart in those ways. > > >>>Now, I feel one should be positive about it. As > Good > times were gone, so will the bad times. But the > low > periods (in which one works more, and get less > rewards > and a lot of other struggles are there) paves the > way > for good times. > > And one last point, which I would like to add is > that, > When you get something after a lot of hard work, > struggles, problems and patience. You really, > really > care for that and know its value in your life. So, > Let > us take this part as also positive.<<< > > That is good. I wish that people suffer for Sade > Sati would get the benfit for this suffering. But I > do not think that they get the benefit always. When > you use hard work, perseverence, patience to get a > reward, that is a positive of Saturn Neeraj. But > negative Saturn gives you almost nothing (Than > lessons) for the sufferings. Please do not make this > mistake. > > >>I am just trying to look from a positive point > of view.<< > > Great! In life, or even in astrology, never use > "only positive" or "only negative" views! You can > never judge something then, nor can you make good > predictions!! Try to judge "As it really is". That > would be better. It is not the nature of Sade Sati > to make you learn astrology. > > Regards > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Hello Ajai, you have written-- I do not see any effect of sade sati. Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani in 3rd house(good placing for self) or some other effects. I would like to hear the comments of all friends There can be a big difference between what you see and what is. A lot of things are not externally visible to others. -- sade sati in particular operates a lot at the mental level.Kind of secret suffering. You can look at someone's situation externally but you cannot know what is happening internally.You may see someone prosper -- but the prosperity itself maybe causing problems to that person. This person is running a good dasha now.A bad dasha with sade sati would be worse than a good dasha with sadesati. Still sadesati shows it's efect.There is no such thing as good sadesati. No one is exempt from sadesati. A lot of astrologers too get fooled into thinking that sadesati has no significance--- by observing the persons situation externally.A lot of people do not like to discuss their problems in detail. Regards, vivek. On Tue, 13 May 2003 ajai singh wrote : >Greetings to all friends > > >I have read various posts on Sani (Which is commonly >considered bad). I have also observed many instances >where people have got everthing good during Sani's >sade sati or Sani's dasa. I know a native whose chart >has following placements > >Cancer (Lagana) >second house Ketu >third house Sani >fourth house Mars (retrogate) >eighth house Rahu >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 deg) >Eleventh house Moon and Sun > >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, 1952 at >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under sade >sati at present. During this period he has attained >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade sati. >Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani in >3rd house(good placing for self) or some other >effects. I would like to hear the comments of all >friends > >Ajai Singh > > > >--- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > > Dear Neeraj, > > > > Thanks for your post about positive views on Saturn. > > Both views are needed in life :-) > > > > Please see below for my replies. > > >>>>Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and > > downtimes > > gives us some lessons that are used in later part > > of > > life. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem bad > > while bad period or low period is going, but that > > becomes the basis of good times ahead.<<<< > > > > Sade Sati, not necessarily will give good at last. > > I can not agree to this. Sade Sati is simple a bad > > transit - which makes people suffer. If you benefit > > from it, it will be for other influences on Saturn. > > But it is not compulsory / sure that Sade Sati makes > > people suffer to make the basis of good time. Do not > > you think that? Basically, from it's self nature, > > Sade Sati is bad. > > > > If Sade Sati was good to make the basis of future > > good time, the learned Gurus here (Vedic-Astrology > > list) would not give remedies for Sade Sati. They > > would advice us to endure this. Do not you think so? > > > > Even Guru Sanjay Jee suffered for Sade Sati as he > > already mentioned that is why he suggested Sri > > Chamakam so that any other person does not suffer > > for this. > > > > >>> One do the > > hardwork and thus gain knowledge and experience. > > <<< > > > > There are many kind of experience. But in this > > material world, we never like to get touch > > experiences. Do we? > > > > When you think from religious side, then every > > suffering and tough times are lessons which we need. > > Then, you can say that Saturn is not bad. But > > actually, then no planets are bad. Because suffering > > might come from any planet and from a spiritual > > sense all sufferings are needed for us that is why > > no planet is bad in that sense. Planets are the > > incarnation of Lord remember, to give us our Karma > > phaal. > > > > >>>Yes, > > it is true rough times are hard to sustain, but a > > there is a positive part also. One tends to think > > on > > different pattern. <<< > > > > Not necessarily Sade Sati will make you learn to > > think positive. It depends on other matters! Sade > > Sati itself does not hold the nature. Please do not > > make this mistake. > > > > >>>Thanks to sadhesati of Shani, > > otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked up > > astrology and devoted my time on that. Now > > atleast, I > > know some of the concepts of this art and as each > > day > > progresses, I get to learn new things.<<< > > > > Again, do not think that Sade Sati made you learn > > astrology. That would be a very big mistake to think > > that!! All people go through Sade Sati if they live > > a general span of life. But how many people get into > > astrology? Please never make this mistake. There are > > combinations for spiritual knowledge or astrology > > knowledge what is being discussed currently in the > > 'Vedic-astrology' list. Spiritual knowledge or > > Jyotish is indicated from other ways Neeraj. You > > must have those indications in your chart. Thousands > > of Sade Sati will not get you into astrology unless > > indicated in your chart in those ways. > > > > >>>Now, I feel one should be positive about it. As > > Good > > times were gone, so will the bad times. But the > > low > > periods (in which one works more, and get less > > rewards > > and a lot of other struggles are there) paves the > > way > > for good times. > > > > And one last point, which I would like to add is > > that, > > When you get something after a lot of hard work, > > struggles, problems and patience. You really, > > really > > care for that and know its value in your life. So, > > Let > > us take this part as also positive.<<< > > > > That is good. I wish that people suffer for Sade > > Sati would get the benfit for this suffering. But I > > do not think that they get the benefit always. When > > you use hard work, perseverence, patience to get a > > reward, that is a positive of Saturn Neeraj. But > > negative Saturn gives you almost nothing (Than > > lessons) for the sufferings. Please do not make this > > mistake. > > > > >>I am just trying to look from a positive point > > of view.<< > > > > Great! In life, or even in astrology, never use > > "only positive" or "only negative" views! You can > > never judge something then, nor can you make good > > predictions!! Try to judge "As it really is". That > > would be better. It is not the nature of Sade Sati > > to make you learn astrology. > > > > Regards > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury > > tanvir > > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > > > > > > > >The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search. > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > _ Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. Just Rs.1499/year. To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 hi, Also I would like to tell you that whole period of sadhesati is not bad (or it appears to be bad), sometimes second phase is good(depends upon planetary combination). So you may be examining only one phase and ignoring others. neeraj --- Vivek <keviv90 wrote: > Hello Ajai, > you have written-- > I do not see any effect of sade sati. > Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani > in > 3rd house(good placing for self) or some other > effects. I would like to hear the comments of all > friends > There can be a big difference between what you see > and what is. > A lot of things are not externally visible to > others. -- sade sati > in particular operates a lot at the mental > level.Kind of secret > suffering. > You can look at someone's situation externally but > you cannot know > what is happening internally.You may see someone > prosper -- but > the prosperity itself maybe causing problems to that > person. > This person is running a good dasha now.A bad dasha > with sade sati > would be worse than a good dasha with sadesati. > Still sadesati shows it's efect.There is no such > thing as good > sadesati. > No one is exempt from sadesati. > A lot of astrologers too get fooled into thinking > that sadesati > has no significance--- by observing the persons > situation > externally.A lot of people do not like to discuss > their problems > in detail. > Regards, > vivek. > > On Tue, 13 May 2003 ajai singh wrote : > >Greetings to all friends > > > > > >I have read various posts on Sani (Which is > commonly > >considered bad). I have also observed many > instances > >where people have got everthing good during Sani's > >sade sati or Sani's dasa. I know a native whose > chart > >has following placements > > > >Cancer (Lagana) > >second house Ketu > >third house Sani > >fourth house Mars (retrogate) > >eighth house Rahu > >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 deg) > >Eleventh house Moon and Sun > > > >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, 1952 at > >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in > >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under sade > >sati at present. During this period he has attained > >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade sati. > >Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani > in > >3rd house(good placing for self) or some other > >effects. I would like to hear the comments of all > >friends > > > >Ajai Singh > > > > > > > >--- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > > > Dear Neeraj, > > > > > > Thanks for your post about positive views on > Saturn. > > > Both views are needed in life :-) > > > > > > Please see below for my replies. > > > >>>>Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and > > > downtimes > > > gives us some lessons that are used in later > part > > > of > > > life. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem > bad > > > while bad period or low period is going, but > that > > > becomes the basis of good times ahead.<<<< > > > > > > Sade Sati, not necessarily will give good at > last. > > > I can not agree to this. Sade Sati is simple a > bad > > > transit - which makes people suffer. If you > benefit > > > from it, it will be for other influences on > Saturn. > > > But it is not compulsory / sure that Sade Sati > makes > > > people suffer to make the basis of good time. Do > not > > > you think that? Basically, from it's self > nature, > > > Sade Sati is bad. > > > > > > If Sade Sati was good to make the basis of > future > > > good time, the learned Gurus here > (Vedic-Astrology > > > list) would not give remedies for Sade Sati. > They > > > would advice us to endure this. Do not you think > so? > > > > > > Even Guru Sanjay Jee suffered for Sade Sati as > he > > > already mentioned that is why he suggested Sri > > > Chamakam so that any other person does not > suffer > > > for this. > > > > > > >>> One do the > > > hardwork and thus gain knowledge and > experience. > > > <<< > > > > > > There are many kind of experience. But in this > > > material world, we never like to get touch > > > experiences. Do we? > > > > > > When you think from religious side, then every > > > suffering and tough times are lessons which we > need. > > > Then, you can say that Saturn is not bad. But > > > actually, then no planets are bad. Because > suffering > > > might come from any planet and from a spiritual > > > sense all sufferings are needed for us that is > why > > > no planet is bad in that sense. Planets are the > > > incarnation of Lord remember, to give us our > Karma > > > phaal. > > > > > > >>>Yes, > > > it is true rough times are hard to sustain, > but a > > > there is a positive part also. One tends to > think > > > on > > > different pattern. <<< > > > > > > Not necessarily Sade Sati will make you learn > to > > > think positive. It depends on other matters! > Sade > > > Sati itself does not hold the nature. Please do > not > > > make this mistake. > > > > > > >>>Thanks to sadhesati of Shani, > > > otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked > up > > > astrology and devoted my time on that. Now > > > atleast, I > > > know some of the concepts of this art and as > each > > > day > > > progresses, I get to learn new things.<<< > > > > > > Again, do not think that Sade Sati made you > learn > > > astrology. That would be a very big mistake to > think > > > that!! All people go through Sade Sati if they > live > > > a general span of life. But how many people get > into > > > astrology? Please never make this mistake. There > are > > > combinations for spiritual knowledge or > astrology > > > knowledge what is being discussed currently in > the > > > 'Vedic-astrology' list. Spiritual knowledge or > > > Jyotish is indicated from other ways Neeraj. You > > > must have those indications in your chart. > Thousands > > > of Sade Sati will not get you into astrology > unless > > > indicated in your chart in those ways. > > > > > > >>>Now, I feel one should be positive about > it. As > > > Good > > > times were gone, so will the bad times. 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Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 I have seen both life. One has saturn in 7th house in Gemini. This person have lost his father, his job, lots of money in business. He had to break his relation after engagement and faced emotional depression. His life was like hell during this time. But in last phase surprisingly he got many things back. I mean he got fantastic job. He got beautiful and perfect life partner and now is happy and feeling at the top of world. Everything has happened in his life in this period of sadesati. So what can be the conclusion ???????? Another friend has Saturn in 2nd house in Tarus. During sadesatii in same period nothing bad happen in his life. I mean his life was simply normal. So what can be the conslusion????????? regards, Tushar Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 > wrote: hi,Also I would like to tell you that whole period ofsadhesati is not bad (or it appears to be bad),sometimes second phase is good(depends upon planetarycombination). So you may be examining only one phaseand ignoring others.neeraj--- Vivek wrote:> Hello Ajai,> you have written--> I do not see any effect of sade sati.> Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani> in> 3rd house(good placing for self) or some other> effects. I would like to hear the comments of all> friends> There can be a big difference between what you see> and what is.> A lot of things are not externally visible to> others. -- sade sati > in particular operates a lot at the mental> level.Kind of secret > suffering.> You can look at someone's situation externally but> you cannot know > what is happening internally.You may see someone> prosper -- but > the prosperity itself maybe causing problems to that> person.> This person is running a good dasha now.A bad dasha> with sade sati > would be worse than a good dasha with sadesati.> Still sadesati shows it's efect.There is no such> thing as good > sadesati.> No one is exempt from sadesati.> A lot of astrologers too get fooled into thinking> that sadesati > has no significance--- by observing the persons> situation > externally.A lot of people do not like to discuss> their problems > in detail.> Regards,> vivek.> > On Tue, 13 May 2003 ajai singh wrote :> >Greetings to all friends> >> >> >I have read various posts on Sani (Which is> commonly> >considered bad). I have also observed many> instances> >where people have got everthing good during Sani's> >sade sati or Sani's dasa. I know a native whose> chart> >has following placements> >> >Cancer (Lagana)> >second house Ketu> >third house Sani> >fourth house Mars (retrogate)> >eighth house Rahu> >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 deg)> >Eleventh house Moon and Sun> >> >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, 1952 at> >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in> >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under sade> >sati at present. During this period he has attained> >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade sati.> >Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani> in> >3rd house(good placing for self) or some other> >effects. I would like to hear the comments of all> >friends> >> >Ajai Singh> >> >> >> >--- Tanvir wrote:> > > Dear Neeraj,> > >> > > Thanks for your post about positive views on> Saturn.> > > Both views are needed in life :-)> > >> > > Please see below for my replies.> > > >>>>Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and> > > downtimes> > > gives us some lessons that are used in later> part> > > of> > > life. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem> bad> > > while bad period or low period is going, but> that> > > becomes the basis of good times ahead.<<<<> > >> > > Sade Sati, not necessarily will give good at> last.> > > I can not agree to this. Sade Sati is simple a> bad> > > transit - which makes people suffer. If you> benefit> > > from it, it will be for other influences on> Saturn.> > > But it is not compulsory / sure that Sade Sati> makes> > > people suffer to make the basis of good time. Do> not> > > you think that? Basically, from it's self> nature,> > > Sade Sati is bad.> > >> > > If Sade Sati was good to make the basis of> future> > > good time, the learned Gurus here> (Vedic-Astrology> > > list) would not give remedies for Sade Sati.> They> > > would advice us to endure this. Do not you think> so?> > >> > > Even Guru Sanjay Jee suffered for Sade Sati as> he> > > already mentioned that is why he suggested Sri> > > Chamakam so that any other person does not> suffer> > > for this.> > >> > > >>> One do the> > > hardwork and thus gain knowledge and> experience.> > > <<<> > >> > > There are many kind of experience. But in this> > > material world, we never like to get touch> > > experiences. Do we?> > >> > > When you think from religious side, then every> > > suffering and tough times are lessons which we> need.> > > Then, you can say that Saturn is not bad. But> > > actually, then no planets are bad. Because> suffering> > > might come from any planet and from a spiritual> > > sense all sufferings are needed for us that is> why> > > no planet is bad in that sense. Planets are the> > > incarnation of Lord remember, to give us our> Karma> > > phaal.> > >> > > >>>Yes,> > > it is true rough times are hard to sustain,> but a> > > there is a positive part also. One tends to> think> > > on> > > different pattern. <<<> > >> > > Not necessarily Sade Sati will make you learn> to> > > think positive. It depends on other matters!> Sade> > > Sati itself does not hold the nature. Please do> not> > > make this mistake.> > >> > > >>>Thanks to sadhesati of Shani,> > > otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked> up> > > astrology and devoted my time on that. Now> > > atleast, I> > > know some of the concepts of this art and as> each> > > day> > > progresses, I get to learn new things.<<<> > >> > > Again, do not think that Sade Sati made you> learn> > > astrology. That would be a very big mistake to> think> > > that!! All people go through Sade Sati if they> live> > > a general span of life. But how many people get> into> > > astrology? Please never make this mistake. There> are> > > combinations for spiritual knowledge or> astrology> > > knowledge what is being discussed currently in> the> > > 'Vedic-astrology' list. Spiritual knowledge or> > > Jyotish is indicated from other ways Neeraj. You> > > must have those indications in your chart.> Thousands> > > of Sade Sati will not get you into astrology> unless> > > indicated in your chart in those ways.> > >> > > >>>Now, I feel one should be positive about> it. As> > > Good> > > times were gone, so will the bad times. But> the> === message truncated ========http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/Do you ?The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.http://search.Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to The New Search - Faster. 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Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Dear Group, I understand from the discussion that Sani is said to be benific for tula/libra and vrishab/taurus lagna/ascendents. But what if it is vakri/retrograde? Does that have any special significance. Darshan SP tushar trivedi <tushar_9@yaho gjlist o.com> cc: Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view 05/13/03 04:52 PM Please respond to gjlist Two of my friend are having moon in Pisc. They both have passed through sadsati at the same time while saturn passes thorough Aq.-Pisc.- Aries. (1993 to 2000) I have seen both life. One has saturn in 7th house in Gemini. This person have lost his father, his job, lots of money in business. He had to break his relation after engagement and faced emotional depression. His life was like hell during this time. But in last phase surprisingly he got many things back. I mean he got fantastic job. He got beautiful and perfect life partner and now is happy and feeling at the top of world. Everything has happened in his life in this period of sadesati. So what can be the conclusion ???????? Another friend has Saturn in 2nd house in Tarus. During sadesatii in same period nothing bad happen in his life. I mean his life was simply normal. So what can be the conslusion????????? regards, Tushar Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote: hi, Also I would like to tell you that whole period of sadhesati is not bad (or it appears to be bad), sometimes second phase is good(depends upon planetary combination). So you may be examining only one phase and ignoring others. neeraj --- Vivek wrote: > Hello Ajai, > you have written-- > I do not see any effect of sade sati. > Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani > in > 3rd house(good placing for self) or some other > effects. I would like to hear the comments of all > friends > There can be a big difference between what you see > and what is. > A lot of things are not externally visible to > others. -- sade sati > in particular operates a lot at the mental > level.Kind of secret > suffering. > You can look at someone's situation externally but > you cannot know > what is happening internally.You may see someone > prosper -- but > the prosperity itself maybe causing problems to that > person. > This person is running a good dasha now.A bad dasha > with sade sati > would be worse than a good dasha with sadesati. > Still sadesati shows it's efect.There is no such > thing as good > sadesati. > No one is exempt from sadesati. > A lot of astrologers too get fooled into thinking > that sadesati > has no significance--- by observing the persons > situation > externally.A lot of people do not like to discuss > their problems > in detail. > Regards, > vivek. > > On Tue, 13 May 2003 ajai singh wrote : > >Greetings to all friends > > > > > >I have read various posts on Sani (Which is > commonly > >considered bad). I have also observed many > instances > >where people have got everthing good during Sani's > >sade sati or Sani's dasa. I know a native whose > chart > >has following placements > > > >Cancer (Lagana) > >second house Ketu > >third house Sani > >fourth house Mars (retrogate) > >eighth house Rahu > >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 deg) > >Eleventh house Moon and Sun > > > >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, 1952 at > >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in > >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under sade > >sati at present. During this period he has attained > >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade sati. > >Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani > in > >3rd house(good placing for self) or some other > >effects. I would like to hear the comments of all > >friends > > > >Ajai Singh > > > > > > > >--- Tanvir wrote: > > > Dear Neeraj, > > > > > > Thanks for your post about positive views on > Saturn. > > > Both views are needed in life :-) > > > > > > Please see below for my replies. > > > >>>>Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and > > > downtimes > > > gives us some lessons that are used in later > part > > > of > > > life. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem > bad > > > while bad period or low period is going, but > that > > > becomes the basis of good times ahead.<<<< > > > > > > Sade Sati, not necessarily will give good at > last. > > > I can not agree to this. Sade Sati is simple a > bad > > > transit - which makes people suffer. If you > benefit > > > from it, it will be for other influences on > Saturn. > > > But it is not compulsory / sure that Sade Sati > makes > > > people suffer to make the basis of good time. Do > not > > > you think that? Basically, from it's self > nature, > > > Sade Sati is bad. > > > > > > If Sade Sati was good to make the basis of > future > > > good time, the learned Gurus here > (Vedic-Astrology > > > list) would not give remedies for Sade Sati. > They > > > would advice us to endure this. Do not you think > so? > > > > > > Even Guru Sanjay Jee suffered for Sade Sati as > he > > > already mentioned that is why he suggested Sri > > > Chamakam so that any other person does not > suffer > > > for this. > > > > > > >>> One do the > > > hardwork and thus gain knowledge and > experience. > > > <<< > > > > > > There are many kind of experience. But in this > > > material world, we never like to get touch > > > experiences. Do we? > > > > > > When you think from religious side, then every > > > suffering and tough times are lessons which we > need. > > > Then, you can say that Saturn is not bad. But > > > actually, then no planets are bad. Because > suffering > > > might come from any planet and from a spiritual > > > sense all sufferings are needed for us that is > why > > > no planet is bad in that sense. Planets are the > > > incarnation of Lord remember, to give us our > Karma > > > phaal. > > > > > > >>>Yes, > > > it is true rough times are hard to sustain, > but a > > > there is a positive part also. One tends to > think > > > on > > > different pattern. <<< > > > > > > Not necessarily Sade Sati will make you learn > to > > > think positive. It depends on other matters! > Sade > > > Sati itself does not hold the nature. Please do > not > > > make this mistake. > > > > > > >>>Thanks to sadhesati of Shani, > > > otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked > up > > > astrology and devoted my time on that. Now > > > atleast, I > > > know some of the concepts of this art and as > each > > > day > > > progresses, I get to learn new things.<<< > > > > > > Again, do not think that Sade Sati made you > learn > > > astrology. That would be a very big mistake to > think > > > that!! All people go through Sade Sati if they > live > > > a general span of life. But how many people get > into > > > astrology? Please never make this mistake. There > are > > > combinations for spiritual knowledge or > astrology > > > knowledge what is being discussed currently in > the > > > 'Vedic-astrology' list. Spiritual knowledge or > > > Jyotish is indicated from other ways Neeraj. You > > > must have those indications in your chart. > Thousands > > > of Sade Sati will not get you into astrology > unless > > > indicated in your chart in those ways. > > > > > > >>>Now, I feel one should be positive about > it. As > > > Good > > > times were gone, so will the bad times. 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Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Hello Vivek and other friends No body can disagree with what you people say but my point that what astrological reasons can be assigned for no apparent effect of sade sati on the native having following details, has not been answered. >Cancer (Lagana) >second house Ketu >third house Sani >fourth house Mars (retrogate) >eighth house Rahu >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 deg) >Eleventh house Moon and Sun > >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, 1952 at >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under sade >sati at present. During this period he has attained >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade sati. I again request you to pin point the astrological explaination. Good Mahadasha is vague in my opinion. Placement of saturn in conjunction with Lagana is very important. In this horoscope this aspect has to be seriously considered. regards ajai singh The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Hi Ajai, You have answered the question yourself when you say "no apparent effect" -- It does not necessarily mean "no effect". Tell me one thing -- A lot of people say they are suffering from stress,anxiety,depression when their situation in life does not justify it.Society has laid down certain criteria for suffering and happiness. If you have money,a nice house,lot of friends,a good job,etc you are happy.If you are poor,living a secluded life,not having material luxuries,etc you are suffering.---- This is not necessarily true. I once read about an industrialist's son who apparently had everything in life.wealth,luxuries,status,etc.He committed suicide for some unknown reason.He was depressed for a long time.---- In fact suicide rates are higher among the prosperous. A lot of people suffer from irrational fears,phobias,sense of guilt,sense of betrayal,anger and resentment,frustration OR a feeling of being in a situation not to their liking --- all this is in the mind. The moon represents mind and saturn works on the mind.saturn has a special relation with the position of your natal moon.Apart from sadesati,saturn's aspect on that point (say within an orb of a degree or two on either side) causes depressing situations. vivek. On Wed, 14 May 2003 ajai singh wrote : > >Hello Vivek and other friends > >No body can disagree with what you people say but my >point that what astrological reasons can be assigned >for no apparent effect of sade sati on the native >having following details, has not been answered. > > > >Cancer (Lagana) > >second house Ketu > >third house Sani > >fourth house Mars (retrogate) > >eighth house Rahu > >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 deg) > >Eleventh house Moon and Sun > > > >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, 1952 at > >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in > >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under sade > >sati at present. During this period he has attained > >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade sati. > >I again request you to pin point the astrological >explaination. Good Mahadasha is vague in my opinion. >Placement of saturn in conjunction with Lagana is very >important. In this horoscope this aspect has to be >seriously considered. > >regards > >ajai singh > > > > >The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search. > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > _ Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. Just Rs.1499/year. To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Hello Vivek and friends Thank for your reply Happiness in life comes from the state of mind and not by material goods. It is true in presence as well as absence of sade sati. If the concept of sade sati is presumed, there must be some effect (variation in extent is possible due to other reasons). I know this native very closely for last 20 years. I can assure the following 1. He has no depression and anxiety or any other related symptom. Nothing is secret to me about him. 2. He is keeping better health in sade sati. He has no disease otherwise. 3. He goes for cycling (5-6 km) every day morning. 4. He has very caring wife & two intelligent daughters. 5. In sade sati he has been promoted to top position in his profession. 6. He has been benifited by property in sade sati. 7. He is very religious gets up at 5 in morning reads Tulsi's Ramcharitmanas every day without fail. He devotee of Lord Hanuman, Ram, Shiva etc like a religious Hindu. 8. He is highly qualified Ph.D. & worked in U.K. also 9. He has a humble family background of course. 10 His parents are alive. He is lone child. His brother younger to him died within few weeks of birth. It appears to me that concept that sade sati is malefic only, can not be justified on him. I think you examine this case in detail which is very interesting for astrological explaination. regards ajai --- Vivek <keviv90 wrote: > Hi Ajai, > You have answered the question yourself when you say > "no apparent > effect" -- It does not necessarily mean "no effect". > Tell me one thing -- A lot of people say they are > suffering from > stress,anxiety,depression when their situation in > life does not > justify it.Society has laid down certain criteria > for suffering > and happiness. > If you have money,a nice house,lot of friends,a good > job,etc you > are happy.If you are poor,living a secluded life,not > having > material luxuries,etc you are suffering.---- This is > not > necessarily true. > I once read about an industrialist's son who > apparently had > everything in life.wealth,luxuries,status,etc.He > committed suicide > for some unknown reason.He was depressed for a long > time.---- In > fact suicide rates are higher among the prosperous. > A lot of people suffer from irrational > fears,phobias,sense of > guilt,sense of betrayal,anger and > resentment,frustration OR a > feeling of being in a situation not to their liking > --- all this > is in the mind. > The moon represents mind and saturn works on the > mind.saturn has a > special relation with the position of your natal > moon.Apart from > sadesati,saturn's aspect on that point (say within > an orb of a > degree or two on either side) causes depressing > situations. > vivek. > > > On Wed, 14 May 2003 ajai singh wrote : > > > >Hello Vivek and other friends > > > >No body can disagree with what you people say but > my > >point that what astrological reasons can be > assigned > >for no apparent effect of sade sati on the native > >having following details, has not been answered. > > > > > > >Cancer (Lagana) > > >second house Ketu > > >third house Sani > > >fourth house Mars (retrogate) > > >eighth house Rahu > > >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 deg) > > >Eleventh house Moon and Sun > > > > > >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, 1952 > at > > >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in > > >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under > sade > > >sati at present. During this period he has > attained > > >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade > sati. > > > >I again request you to pin point the astrological > >explaination. Good Mahadasha is vague in my > opinion. > >Placement of saturn in conjunction with Lagana is > very > >important. In this horoscope this aspect has to be > >seriously considered. > > > >regards > > > >ajai singh > > > > > > > > > >The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > >http://search. > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > >: > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > _ > Get email that means BUSINESS! me @ mycompany.com. > Just Rs.1499/year. > To start, click http://www.rediffmailpro.com > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > : > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Dear Mr. Darshan, Saturn is benefic for Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Leo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn & Aquarius ascendants and its retrogradation does not have any effect. With best Wishes. Narinder Juneja. www.MyWebAstrologer.com K-3/22, Basement, DLF phase-2, Gurgaon-122002, Haryana. INDIA Ph.91-124-2564567, 5014567, mobile-091-9810058186 - <darshan.pawargi <gjlist> Tuesday, May 13, 2003 06:43 PM Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > > Dear Group, > > I understand from the discussion that Sani is said to be benific for > tula/libra and vrishab/taurus lagna/ascendents. > But what if it is vakri/retrograde? Does that have any special > significance. > > Darshan SP > > > > tushar trivedi > <tushar_9@yaho gjlist > o.com> cc: > Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > 05/13/03 04:52 > PM > Please respond > to gjlist Two of my friend are having moon in Pisc. They both have passed through > sadsati at the same time while saturn passes thorough Aq.-Pisc.- Aries. > (1993 to 2000) > > I have seen both life. One has saturn in 7th house in Gemini. This person > have lost his father, his job, lots of money in business. He had to break > his relation after engagement and faced emotional depression. His life was > like hell during this time. But in last phase surprisingly he got many > things back. I mean he got fantastic job. He got beautiful and perfect life > partner and now is happy and feeling at the top of world. Everything has > happened in his life in this period of sadesati. So what can be the > conclusion ???????? > > Another friend has Saturn in 2nd house in Tarus. During sadesatii in same > period nothing bad happen in his life. I mean his life was simply normal. > So what can be the conslusion????????? > > regards, > > Tushar > > > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote: > hi, > > Also I would like to tell you that whole period of > sadhesati is not bad (or it appears to be bad), > sometimes second phase is good(depends upon planetary > combination). So you may be examining only one phase > and ignoring others. > > neeraj > > > --- Vivek wrote: > > Hello Ajai, > > you have written-- > > I do not see any effect of sade sati. > > Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani > > in > > 3rd house(good placing for self) or some other > > effects. I would like to hear the comments of all > > friends > > There can be a big difference between what you see > > and what is. > > A lot of things are not externally visible to > > others. -- sade sati > > in particular operates a lot at the mental > > level.Kind of secret > > suffering. > > You can look at someone's situation externally but > > you cannot know > > what is happening internally.You may see someone > > prosper -- but > > the prosperity itself maybe causing problems to that > > person. > > This person is running a good dasha now.A bad dasha > > with sade sati > > would be worse than a good dasha with sadesati. > > Still sadesati shows it's efect.There is no such > > thing as good > > sadesati. > > No one is exempt from sadesati. > > A lot of astrologers too get fooled into thinking > > that sadesati > > has no significance--- by observing the persons > > situation > > externally.A lot of people do not like to discuss > > their problems > > in detail. > > Regards, > > vivek. > > > > On Tue, 13 May 2003 ajai singh wrote : > > >Greetings to all friends > > > > > > > > >I have read various posts on Sani (Which is > > commonly > > >considered bad). I have also observed many > > instances > > >where people have got everthing good during Sani's > > >sade sati or Sani's dasa. I know a native whose > > chart > > >has following placements > > > > > >Cancer (Lagana) > > >second house Ketu > > >third house Sani > > >fourth house Mars (retrogate) > > >eighth house Rahu > > >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 deg) > > >Eleventh house Moon and Sun > > > > > >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, 1952 at > > >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in > > >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under sade > > >sati at present. During this period he has attained > > >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade sati. > > >Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani > > in > > >3rd house(good placing for self) or some other > > >effects. I would like to hear the comments of all > > >friends > > > > > >Ajai Singh > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Tanvir wrote: > > > > Dear Neeraj, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your post about positive views on > > Saturn. > > > > Both views are needed in life :-) > > > > > > > > Please see below for my replies. > > > > >>>>Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and > > > > downtimes > > > > gives us some lessons that are used in later > > part > > > > of > > > > life. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem > > bad > > > > while bad period or low period is going, but > > that > > > > becomes the basis of good times ahead.<<<< > > > > > > > > Sade Sati, not necessarily will give good at > > last. > > > > I can not agree to this. Sade Sati is simple a > > bad > > > > transit - which makes people suffer. If you > > benefit > > > > from it, it will be for other influences on > > Saturn. > > > > But it is not compulsory / sure that Sade Sati > > makes > > > > people suffer to make the basis of good time. Do > > not > > > > you think that? Basically, from it's self > > nature, > > > > Sade Sati is bad. > > > > > > > > If Sade Sati was good to make the basis of > > future > > > > good time, the learned Gurus here > > (Vedic-Astrology > > > > list) would not give remedies for Sade Sati. > > They > > > > would advice us to endure this. Do not you think > > so? > > > > > > > > Even Guru Sanjay Jee suffered for Sade Sati as > > he > > > > already mentioned that is why he suggested Sri > > > > Chamakam so that any other person does not > > suffer > > > > for this. > > > > > > > > >>> One do the > > > > hardwork and thus gain knowledge and > > experience. > > > > <<< > > > > > > > > There are many kind of experience. But in this > > > > material world, we never like to get touch > > > > experiences. Do we? > > > > > > > > When you think from religious side, then every > > > > suffering and tough times are lessons which we > > need. > > > > Then, you can say that Saturn is not bad. But > > > > actually, then no planets are bad. Because > > suffering > > > > might come from any planet and from a spiritual > > > > sense all sufferings are needed for us that is > > why > > > > no planet is bad in that sense. Planets are the > > > > incarnation of Lord remember, to give us our > > Karma > > > > phaal. > > > > > > > > >>>Yes, > > > > it is true rough times are hard to sustain, > > but a > > > > there is a positive part also. One tends to > > think > > > > on > > > > different pattern. <<< > > > > > > > > Not necessarily Sade Sati will make you learn > > to > > > > think positive. It depends on other matters! > > Sade > > > > Sati itself does not hold the nature. Please do > > not > > > > make this mistake. > > > > > > > > >>>Thanks to sadhesati of Shani, > > > > otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked > > up > > > > astrology and devoted my time on that. Now > > > > atleast, I > > > > know some of the concepts of this art and as > > each > > > > day > > > > progresses, I get to learn new things.<<< > > > > > > > > Again, do not think that Sade Sati made you > > learn > > > > astrology. That would be a very big mistake to > > think > > > > that!! All people go through Sade Sati if they > > live > > > > a general span of life. But how many people get > > into > > > > astrology? Please never make this mistake. There > > are > > > > combinations for spiritual knowledge or > > astrology > > > > knowledge what is being discussed currently in > > the > > > > 'Vedic-astrology' list. Spiritual knowledge or > > > > Jyotish is indicated from other ways Neeraj. You > > > > must have those indications in your chart. > > Thousands > > > > of Sade Sati will not get you into astrology > > unless > > > > indicated in your chart in those ways. > > > > > > > > >>>Now, I feel one should be positive about > > it. As > > > > Good > > > > times were gone, so will the bad times. But > > the > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search. > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Just a comment. Wow, it's great to see that Saturn is benefic for 9 ascendants out of 12. However, I have read in most of books that tell saturn is malefic for most of the Lagnas. One more point. In Leo Lagna, the lord is sun, so how can it be benefic there. As sun and saturn are enemies. neeraj --- Narinder Juneja <njuneja wrote: > > Dear Mr. Darshan, > > Saturn is benefic for Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Leo, > Libra, Scorpio, > Sagittarius, Capricorn & Aquarius ascendants and its > retrogradation does not > have any effect. > > > With best Wishes. > > Narinder Juneja. > www.MyWebAstrologer.com > K-3/22, Basement, DLF phase-2, > Gurgaon-122002, Haryana. > INDIA > Ph.91-124-2564567, 5014567, > mobile-091-9810058186 > > - > <darshan.pawargi > <gjlist> > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 06:43 PM > Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > I understand from the discussion that Sani is said > to be benific for > > tula/libra and vrishab/taurus lagna/ascendents. > > But what if it is vakri/retrograde? Does that have > any special > > significance. > > > > Darshan SP > > > > > > > > tushar trivedi > > <tushar_9@yaho To: > gjlist > > o.com> cc: > > Subject: > Re: [GJ] Re: > Sani - my view > > 05/13/03 04:52 > > PM > > Please respond > > to gjlist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two of my friend are having moon in Pisc. They > both have passed through > > sadsati at the same time while saturn passes > thorough Aq.-Pisc.- Aries. > > (1993 to 2000) > > > > I have seen both life. One has saturn in 7th house > in Gemini. This person > > have lost his father, his job, lots of money in > business. He had to break > > his relation after engagement and faced emotional > depression. His life was > > like hell during this time. But in last phase > surprisingly he got many > > things back. I mean he got fantastic job. He got > beautiful and perfect > life > > partner and now is happy and feeling at the top of > world. Everything has > > happened in his life in this period of sadesati. > So what can be the > > conclusion ???????? > > > > Another friend has Saturn in 2nd house in Tarus. > During sadesatii in same > > period nothing bad happen in his life. I mean his > life was simply normal. > > So what can be the conslusion????????? > > > > regards, > > > > Tushar > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote: > > hi, > > > > Also I would like to tell you that whole period > of > > sadhesati is not bad (or it appears to be bad), > > sometimes second phase is good(depends upon > planetary > > combination). So you may be examining only one > phase > > and ignoring others. > > > > neeraj > > > > > > --- Vivek wrote: > > > Hello Ajai, > > > you have written-- > > > I do not see any effect of sade sati. > > > Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his > Sani > > > in > > > 3rd house(good placing for self) or some other > > > effects. I would like to hear the comments of > all > > > friends > > > There can be a big difference between what you > see > > > and what is. > > > A lot of things are not externally visible to > > > others. -- sade sati > > > in particular operates a lot at the mental > > > level.Kind of secret > > > suffering. > > > You can look at someone's situation externally > but > > > you cannot know > > > what is happening internally.You may see > someone > > > prosper -- but > > > the prosperity itself maybe causing problems to > that > > > person. > > > This person is running a good dasha now.A bad > dasha > > > with sade sati > > > would be worse than a good dasha with sadesati. > > > Still sadesati shows it's efect.There is no > such > > > thing as good > > > sadesati. > > > No one is exempt from sadesati. > > > A lot of astrologers too get fooled into > thinking > > > that sadesati > > > has no significance--- by observing the persons > > > situation > > > externally.A lot of people do not like to > discuss > > > their problems > > > in detail. > > > Regards, > > > vivek. > > > > > > On Tue, 13 May 2003 ajai singh wrote : > > > >Greetings to all friends > > > > > > > > > > > >I have read various posts on Sani (Which is > > > commonly > > > >considered bad). I have also observed many > > > instances > > > >where people have got everthing good during > Sani's > > > >sade sati or Sani's dasa. I know a native > whose > > > chart > > > >has following placements > > > > > > > >Cancer (Lagana) > > > >second house Ketu > > > >third house Sani > > > >fourth house Mars (retrogate) > > > >eighth house Rahu > > > >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 > deg) > > > >Eleventh house Moon and Sun > > > > > > > >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, > 1952 at > > > >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in > > > >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under > sade > > > >sati at present. During this period he has > attained > > > >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade > sati. > > > >Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his > Sani > > > in > > > >3rd house(good placing for self) or some other > > > >effects. I would like to hear the comments of > all > > > >friends > > > > > > > >Ajai Singh > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === ===== http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Dear Ajai Thank you for posting this. In my experience, when a person is doing work that is compatible with his spirit the sade sati is not so difficult. I believe that the actual transit of Saturn to the Moon shows us what is "real." Who is there for us, what we are good at and where we are most useful. If one already knows this, the time is actually very productive. The 9 months where Saturn typically triggers the Moon 3 times is very much like a rebirth. There may be suffering but there is also a gift often after SAturn leaves as little as 1 degree from that Moon the heaviness lifts. Usually the loss of a parent during this period comes when it might be expected, the parent is in poor health or is quite old. Regardless, the person feels like an orphan or in some way cast adrift. From this state he sees what needs to be adjusted. Very strong people often use strength to push others away, during the 9 months they find the courage to be vulnerable and so are reborn. I could go on and on. The person who is already aligned with his spirit and spending time in right livelihood will have little difficulty c - "ajai singh" <ajai57 <gjlist> Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:19 AM Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > Hello Vivek and friends > > Thank for your reply Happiness in life comes from the > state of mind and not by material goods. It is true in > presence as well as absence of sade sati. If the > concept of sade sati is presumed, there must be some > effect (variation in extent is possible due to other > reasons). I know this native very closely for last 20 > years. I can assure the following > > 1. He has no depression and anxiety or any other > related symptom. Nothing is secret to me about him. > > 2. He is keeping better health in sade sati. He has no > disease otherwise. > 3. He goes for cycling (5-6 km) every day morning. > > 4. He has very caring wife & two intelligent > daughters. > > 5. In sade sati he has been promoted to top position > in his profession. > > 6. He has been benifited by property in sade sati. > > 7. He is very religious gets up at 5 in morning reads > Tulsi's Ramcharitmanas every day without fail. He > devotee of Lord Hanuman, Ram, Shiva etc like a > religious Hindu. > > 8. He is highly qualified Ph.D. & worked in U.K. also > > 9. He has a humble family background of course. > > 10 His parents are alive. He is lone child. His > brother younger to him died within few weeks of birth. > > It appears to me that concept that sade sati is > malefic only, can not be justified on him. I think you > examine this case in detail which is very interesting > for astrological explaination. > > regards > > ajai > --- Vivek <keviv90 wrote: > > Hi Ajai, > > You have answered the question yourself when you say > > "no apparent > > effect" -- It does not necessarily mean "no effect". > > Tell me one thing -- A lot of people say they are > > suffering from > > stress,anxiety,depression when their situation in > > life does not > > justify it.Society has laid down certain criteria > > for suffering > > and happiness. > > If you have money,a nice house,lot of friends,a good > > job,etc you > > are happy.If you are poor,living a secluded life,not > > having > > material luxuries,etc you are suffering.---- This is > > not > > necessarily true. > > I once read about an industrialist's son who > > apparently had > > everything in life.wealth,luxuries,status,etc.He > > committed suicide > > for some unknown reason.He was depressed for a long > > time.---- In > > fact suicide rates are higher among the prosperous. > > A lot of people suffer from irrational > > fears,phobias,sense of > > guilt,sense of betrayal,anger and > > resentment,frustration OR a > > feeling of being in a situation not to their liking > > --- all this > > is in the mind. > > The moon represents mind and saturn works on the > > mind.saturn has a > > special relation with the position of your natal > > moon.Apart from > > sadesati,saturn's aspect on that point (say within > > an orb of a > > degree or two on either side) causes depressing > > situations. > > vivek. > > > > > > On Wed, 14 May 2003 ajai singh wrote : > > > > > >Hello Vivek and other friends > > > > > >No body can disagree with what you people say but > > my > > >point that what astrological reasons can be > > assigned > > >for no apparent effect of sade sati on the native > > >having following details, has not been answered. > > > > > > > > > >Cancer (Lagana) > > > >second house Ketu > > > >third house Sani > > > >fourth house Mars (retrogate) > > > >eighth house Rahu > > > >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 deg) > > > >Eleventh house Moon and Sun > > > > > > > >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, 1952 > > at > > > >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in > > > >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under > > sade > > > >sati at present. During this period he has > > attained > > > >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade > > sati. > > > > > >I again request you to pin point the astrological > > >explaination. Good Mahadasha is vague in my > > opinion. > > >Placement of saturn in conjunction with Lagana is > > very > > >important. In this horoscope this aspect has to be > > >seriously considered. > > > > > >regards > > > > > >ajai singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The New Search - Faster. Easier. 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Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Dear Narinder, What you have written below goes against the fundamentals of astrology. Will you be kind enough to explain the basis for this? Regards, vivek. On Wed, 14 May 2003 Narinder Juneja wrote : > >Dear Mr. Darshan, > >Saturn is benefic for Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Leo, Libra, >Scorpio, >Sagittarius, Capricorn & Aquarius ascendants and its >retrogradation does not >have any effect. > > >With best Wishes. > >Narinder Juneja. >www.MyWebAstrologer.com >K-3/22, Basement, DLF phase-2, >Gurgaon-122002, Haryana. >INDIA >Ph.91-124-2564567, 5014567, >mobile-091-9810058186 > >- > <darshan.pawargi ><gjlist> >Tuesday, May 13, 2003 06:43 PM >Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > I understand from the discussion that Sani is said to be >benific for > > tula/libra and vrishab/taurus lagna/ascendents. > > But what if it is vakri/retrograde? Does that have any >special > > significance. > > > > Darshan SP > > > > > > > > tushar trivedi > > <tushar_9@yaho To: >gjlist > > o.com> cc: > > Re: [GJ] >Re: >Sani - my view > > 05/13/03 04:52 > > PM > > Please respond > > to gjlist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two of my friend are having moon in Pisc. They both have >passed through > > sadsati at the same time while saturn passes thorough >Aq.-Pisc.- Aries. > > (1993 to 2000) > > > > I have seen both life. One has saturn in 7th house in Gemini. >This person > > have lost his father, his job, lots of money in business. He >had to break > > his relation after engagement and faced emotional depression. >His life was > > like hell during this time. But in last phase surprisingly he >got many > > things back. I mean he got fantastic job. He got beautiful and >perfect >life > > partner and now is happy and feeling at the top of world. >Everything has > > happened in his life in this period of sadesati. So what can >be the > > conclusion ???????? > > > > Another friend has Saturn in 2nd house in Tarus. During >sadesatii in same > > period nothing bad happen in his life. I mean his life was >simply normal. > > So what can be the conslusion????????? > > > > regards, > > > > Tushar > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote: > > hi, > > > > Also I would like to tell you that whole period of > > sadhesati is not bad (or it appears to be bad), > > sometimes second phase is good(depends upon planetary > > combination). So you may be examining only one phase > > and ignoring others. > > > > neeraj > > > > > > --- Vivek wrote: > > > Hello Ajai, > > > you have written-- > > > I do not see any effect of sade sati. > > > Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani > > > in > > > 3rd house(good placing for self) or some other > > > effects. I would like to hear the comments of all > > > friends > > > There can be a big difference between what you see > > > and what is. > > > A lot of things are not externally visible to > > > others. -- sade sati > > > in particular operates a lot at the mental > > > level.Kind of secret > > > suffering. > > > You can look at someone's situation externally but > > > you cannot know > > > what is happening internally.You may see someone > > > prosper -- but > > > the prosperity itself maybe causing problems to that > > > person. > > > This person is running a good dasha now.A bad dasha > > > with sade sati > > > would be worse than a good dasha with sadesati. > > > Still sadesati shows it's efect.There is no such > > > thing as good > > > sadesati. > > > No one is exempt from sadesati. > > > A lot of astrologers too get fooled into thinking > > > that sadesati > > > has no significance--- by observing the persons > > > situation > > > externally.A lot of people do not like to discuss > > > their problems > > > in detail. > > > Regards, > > > vivek. > > > > > > On Tue, 13 May 2003 ajai singh wrote : > > > >Greetings to all friends > > > > > > > > > > > >I have read various posts on Sani (Which is > > > commonly > > > >considered bad). I have also observed many > > > instances > > > >where people have got everthing good during Sani's > > > >sade sati or Sani's dasa. I know a native whose > > > chart > > > >has following placements > > > > > > > >Cancer (Lagana) > > > >second house Ketu > > > >third house Sani > > > >fourth house Mars (retrogate) > > > >eighth house Rahu > > > >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 deg) > > > >Eleventh house Moon and Sun > > > > > > > >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, 1952 at > > > >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in > > > >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under sade > > > >sati at present. During this period he has attained > > > >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade sati. > > > >Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani > > > in > > > >3rd house(good placing for self) or some other > > > >effects. I would like to hear the comments of all > > > >friends > > > > > > > >Ajai Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Tanvir wrote: > > > > > Dear Neeraj, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your post about positive views on > > > Saturn. > > > > > Both views are needed in life :-) > > > > > > > > > > Please see below for my replies. > > > > > >>>>Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and > > > > > downtimes > > > > > gives us some lessons that are used in later > > > part > > > > > of > > > > > life. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem > > > bad > > > > > while bad period or low period is going, but > > > that > > > > > becomes the basis of good times ahead.<<<< > > > > > > > > > > Sade Sati, not necessarily will give good at > > > last. > > > > > I can not agree to this. Sade Sati is simple a > > > bad > > > > > transit - which makes people suffer. If you > > > benefit > > > > > from it, it will be for other influences on > > > Saturn. > > > > > But it is not compulsory / sure that Sade Sati > > > makes > > > > > people suffer to make the basis of good time. Do > > > not > > > > > you think that? Basically, from it's self > > > nature, > > > > > Sade Sati is bad. > > > > > > > > > > If Sade Sati was good to make the basis of > > > future > > > > > good time, the learned Gurus here > > > (Vedic-Astrology > > > > > list) would not give remedies for Sade Sati. > > > They > > > > > would advice us to endure this. Do not you think > > > so? > > > > > > > > > > Even Guru Sanjay Jee suffered for Sade Sati as > > > he > > > > > already mentioned that is why he suggested Sri > > > > > Chamakam so that any other person does not > > > suffer > > > > > for this. > > > > > > > > > > >>> One do the > > > > > hardwork and thus gain knowledge and > > > experience. > > > > > <<< > > > > > > > > > > There are many kind of experience. But in this > > > > > material world, we never like to get touch > > > > > experiences. Do we? > > > > > > > > > > When you think from religious side, then every > > > > > suffering and tough times are lessons which we > > > need. > > > > > Then, you can say that Saturn is not bad. But > > > > > actually, then no planets are bad. Because > > > suffering > > > > > might come from any planet and from a spiritual > > > > > sense all sufferings are needed for us that is > > > why > > > > > no planet is bad in that sense. Planets are the > > > > > incarnation of Lord remember, to give us our > > > Karma > > > > > phaal. > > > > > > > > > > >>>Yes, > > > > > it is true rough times are hard to sustain, > > > but a > > > > > there is a positive part also. One tends to > > > think > > > > > on > > > > > different pattern. <<< > > > > > > > > > > Not necessarily Sade Sati will make you learn > > > to > > > > > think positive. It depends on other matters! > > > Sade > > > > > Sati itself does not hold the nature. Please do > > > not > > > > > make this mistake. > > > > > > > > > > >>>Thanks to sadhesati of Shani, > > > > > otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked > > > up > > > > > astrology and devoted my time on that. Now > > > > > atleast, I > > > > > know some of the concepts of this art and as > > > each > > > > > day > > > > > progresses, I get to learn new things.<<< > > > > > > > > > > Again, do not think that Sade Sati made you > > > learn > > > > > astrology. That would be a very big mistake to > > > think > > > > > that!! All people go through Sade Sati if they > > > live > > > > > a general span of life. But how many people get > > > into > > > > > astrology? Please never make this mistake. There > > > are > > > > > combinations for spiritual knowledge or > > > astrology > > > > > knowledge what is being discussed currently in > > > the > > > > > 'Vedic-astrology' list. Spiritual knowledge or > > > > > Jyotish is indicated from other ways Neeraj. You > > > > > must have those indications in your chart. > > > Thousands > > > > > of Sade Sati will not get you into astrology > > > unless > > > > > indicated in your chart in those ways. > > > > > > > > > > >>>Now, I feel one should be positive about > > > it. As > > > > > Good > > > > > times were gone, so will the bad times. But > > > the > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > ===== > > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search. > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : >gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. 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Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 hello ajai, you have written----- 10 His parents are alive. He is lone child. His brother younger to him died within few weeks of birth. ------------- I suppose saturn in 3rd compulsarily destroys the next born.I know another case where saturn is in 3rd.The next child was aborted. Regarding this persons position in life,he is in a good dasha,that is jupiter dasha.Jupiter being in 10th and aspecting 2nd was bound to make him rise in profession and give wealth. sadesati is not the only factor to be considered.how strong your natal chart is and which dasha you are running have to be considered to know one's overall situation. --- I think if one has saturn affecting moon natally,sadesati will be much worse. Do one thing -- find out when saturn was transiting within a degree on either side of his natal moon and ask him how the period was.Particularly with regard to mental situation. regards, vivek. On Wed, 14 May 2003 ajai singh wrote : >Hello Vivek and friends > >Thank for your reply Happiness in life comes from the >state of mind and not by material goods. It is true in >presence as well as absence of sade sati. If the >concept of sade sati is presumed, there must be some >effect (variation in extent is possible due to other >reasons). I know this native very closely for last 20 >years. I can assure the following > >1. He has no depression and anxiety or any other >related symptom. Nothing is secret to me about him. > >2. He is keeping better health in sade sati. He has no >disease otherwise. >3. He goes for cycling (5-6 km) every day morning. > >4. He has very caring wife & two intelligent >daughters. > >5. In sade sati he has been promoted to top position >in his profession. > >6. He has been benifited by property in sade sati. > >7. He is very religious gets up at 5 in morning reads >Tulsi's Ramcharitmanas every day without fail. He >devotee of Lord Hanuman, Ram, Shiva etc like a >religious Hindu. > >8. He is highly qualified Ph.D. & worked in U.K. also > >9. He has a humble family background of course. > >10 His parents are alive. He is lone child. His >brother younger to him died within few weeks of birth. > >It appears to me that concept that sade sati is >malefic only, can not be justified on him. I think you >examine this case in detail which is very interesting >for astrological explaination. > >regards > >ajai > > > > > > > >--- Vivek <keviv90 wrote: > > Hi Ajai, > > You have answered the question yourself when you say > > "no apparent > > effect" -- It does not necessarily mean "no effect". > > Tell me one thing -- A lot of people say they are > > suffering from > > stress,anxiety,depression when their situation in > > life does not > > justify it.Society has laid down certain criteria > > for suffering > > and happiness. > > If you have money,a nice house,lot of friends,a good > > job,etc you > > are happy.If you are poor,living a secluded life,not > > having > > material luxuries,etc you are suffering.---- This is > > not > > necessarily true. > > I once read about an industrialist's son who > > apparently had > > everything in life.wealth,luxuries,status,etc.He > > committed suicide > > for some unknown reason.He was depressed for a long > > time.---- In > > fact suicide rates are higher among the prosperous. > > A lot of people suffer from irrational > > fears,phobias,sense of > > guilt,sense of betrayal,anger and > > resentment,frustration OR a > > feeling of being in a situation not to their liking > > --- all this > > is in the mind. > > The moon represents mind and saturn works on the > > mind.saturn has a > > special relation with the position of your natal > > moon.Apart from > > sadesati,saturn's aspect on that point (say within > > an orb of a > > degree or two on either side) causes depressing > > situations. > > vivek. > > > > > > On Wed, 14 May 2003 ajai singh wrote : > > > > > >Hello Vivek and other friends > > > > > >No body can disagree with what you people say but > > my > > >point that what astrological reasons can be > > assigned > > >for no apparent effect of sade sati on the native > > >having following details, has not been answered. > > > > > > > > > >Cancer (Lagana) > > > >second house Ketu > > > >third house Sani > > > >fourth house Mars (retrogate) > > > >eighth house Rahu > > > >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 deg) > > > >Eleventh house Moon and Sun > > > > > > > >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, 1952 > > at > > > >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in > > > >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under > > sade > > > >sati at present. During this period he has > > attained > > > >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade > > sati. > > > > > >I again request you to pin point the astrological > > >explaination. Good Mahadasha is vague in my > > opinion. > > >Placement of saturn in conjunction with Lagana is > > very > > >important. In this horoscope this aspect has to be > > >seriously considered. > > > > > >regards > > > > > >ajai singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The New Search - Faster. Easier. 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Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Dear Mr Neeraj, The enemity of Sun, Saturn is old story, my comment is based on new reasearch of Systems approach. With best Wishes. Narinder Juneja. www.MyWebAstrologer.com K-3/22, Basement, DLF phase-2, Gurgaon-122002, Haryana. INDIA Ph.91-124-2564567, 5014567, mobile-091-9810058186 - "Neeraj Gupta" <gupta_neeraj_2000 <gjlist> Wednesday, May 14, 2003 04:10 PM Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > Just a comment. > > Wow, it's great to see that Saturn is benefic for 9 > ascendants out of 12. > > However, I have read in most of books that tell saturn > is malefic for most of the Lagnas. > > One more point. In Leo Lagna, the lord is sun, so how > can it be benefic there. As sun and saturn are > enemies. > > neeraj > --- Narinder Juneja <njuneja > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Darshan, > > > > Saturn is benefic for Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Leo, > > Libra, Scorpio, > > Sagittarius, Capricorn & Aquarius ascendants and its > > retrogradation does not > > have any effect. > > > > > > With best Wishes. > > > > Narinder Juneja. > > www.MyWebAstrologer.com > > K-3/22, Basement, DLF phase-2, > > Gurgaon-122002, Haryana. > > INDIA > > Ph.91-124-2564567, 5014567, > > mobile-091-9810058186 > > > > - > > <darshan.pawargi > > <gjlist> > > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 06:43 PM > > Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > I understand from the discussion that Sani is said > > to be benific for > > > tula/libra and vrishab/taurus lagna/ascendents. > > > But what if it is vakri/retrograde? Does that have > > any special > > > significance. > > > > > > Darshan SP > > > > > > > > > > > > tushar trivedi > > > <tushar_9@yaho To: > > gjlist > > > o.com> cc: > > > Subject: > > Re: [GJ] Re: > > Sani - my view > > > 05/13/03 04:52 > > > PM > > > Please respond > > > to gjlist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two of my friend are having moon in Pisc. They > > both have passed through > > > sadsati at the same time while saturn passes > > thorough Aq.-Pisc.- Aries. > > > (1993 to 2000) > > > > > > I have seen both life. One has saturn in 7th house > > in Gemini. This person > > > have lost his father, his job, lots of money in > > business. He had to break > > > his relation after engagement and faced emotional > > depression. His life was > > > like hell during this time. But in last phase > > surprisingly he got many > > > things back. I mean he got fantastic job. He got > > beautiful and perfect > > life > > > partner and now is happy and feeling at the top of > > world. Everything has > > > happened in his life in this period of sadesati. > > So what can be the > > > conclusion ???????? > > > > > > Another friend has Saturn in 2nd house in Tarus. > > During sadesatii in same > > > period nothing bad happen in his life. I mean his > > life was simply normal. > > > So what can be the conslusion????????? > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Tushar > > > > > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote: > > > hi, > > > > > > Also I would like to tell you that whole period > > of > > > sadhesati is not bad (or it appears to be bad), > > > sometimes second phase is good(depends upon > > planetary > > > combination). So you may be examining only one > > phase > > > and ignoring others. > > > > > > neeraj > > > > > > > > > --- Vivek wrote: > > > > Hello Ajai, > > > > you have written-- > > > > I do not see any effect of sade sati. > > > > Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his > > Sani > > > > in > > > > 3rd house(good placing for self) or some other > > > > effects. I would like to hear the comments of > > all > > > > friends > > > > There can be a big difference between what you > > see > > > > and what is. > > > > A lot of things are not externally visible to > > > > others. -- sade sati > > > > in particular operates a lot at the mental > > > > level.Kind of secret > > > > suffering. > > > > You can look at someone's situation externally > > but > > > > you cannot know > > > > what is happening internally.You may see > > someone > > > > prosper -- but > > > > the prosperity itself maybe causing problems to > > that > > > > person. > > > > This person is running a good dasha now.A bad > > dasha > > > > with sade sati > > > > would be worse than a good dasha with sadesati. > > > > Still sadesati shows it's efect.There is no > > such > > > > thing as good > > > > sadesati. > > > > No one is exempt from sadesati. > > > > A lot of astrologers too get fooled into > > thinking > > > > that sadesati > > > > has no significance--- by observing the persons > > > > situation > > > > externally.A lot of people do not like to > > discuss > > > > their problems > > > > in detail. > > > > Regards, > > > > vivek. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 May 2003 ajai singh wrote : > > > > >Greetings to all friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have read various posts on Sani (Which is > > > > commonly > > > > >considered bad). I have also observed many > > > > instances > > > > >where people have got everthing good during > > Sani's > > > > >sade sati or Sani's dasa. I know a native > > whose > > > > chart > > > > >has following placements > > > > > > > > > >Cancer (Lagana) > > > > >second house Ketu > > > > >third house Sani > > > > >fourth house Mars (retrogate) > > > > >eighth house Rahu > > > > >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 > > deg) > > > > >Eleventh house Moon and Sun > > > > > > > > > >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, > > 1952 at > > > > >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in > > > > >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under > > sade > > > > >sati at present. During this period he has > > attained > > > > >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade > > sati. > > > > >Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his > > Sani > > > > in > > > > >3rd house(good placing for self) or some other > > > > >effects. I would like to hear the comments of > > all > > > > >friends > > > > > > > > > >Ajai Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search. > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Dear Mr Vivek, You should experience it first and then see if this is applicable or not. Still if you see any problem, I'am here. With best Wishes. Narinder Juneja. www.MyWebAstrologer.com K-3/22, Basement, DLF phase-2, Gurgaon-122002, Haryana. INDIA Ph.91-124-2564567, 5014567, mobile-091-9810058186 - "Vivek " <keviv90 <gjlist> Thursday, May 15, 2003 12:03 PM [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > Dear Narinder, > What you have written below goes against the fundamentals of > astrology. > Will you be kind enough to explain the basis for this? > Regards, > vivek. > > On Wed, 14 May 2003 Narinder Juneja wrote : > > > >Dear Mr. Darshan, > > > >Saturn is benefic for Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Leo, Libra, > >Scorpio, > >Sagittarius, Capricorn & Aquarius ascendants and its > >retrogradation does not > >have any effect. > > > > > >With best Wishes. > > > >Narinder Juneja. > >www.MyWebAstrologer.com > >K-3/22, Basement, DLF phase-2, > >Gurgaon-122002, Haryana. > >INDIA > >Ph.91-124-2564567, 5014567, > >mobile-091-9810058186 > > > >- > > <darshan.pawargi > ><gjlist> > >Tuesday, May 13, 2003 06:43 PM > >Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > I understand from the discussion that Sani is said to be > >benific for > > > tula/libra and vrishab/taurus lagna/ascendents. > > > But what if it is vakri/retrograde? Does that have any > >special > > > significance. > > > > > > Darshan SP > > > > > > > > > > > > tushar trivedi > > > <tushar_9@yaho To: > >gjlist > > > o.com> cc: > > > Re: [GJ] > >Re: > >Sani - my view > > > 05/13/03 04:52 > > > PM > > > Please respond > > > to gjlist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two of my friend are having moon in Pisc. They both have > >passed through > > > sadsati at the same time while saturn passes thorough > >Aq.-Pisc.- Aries. > > > (1993 to 2000) > > > > > > I have seen both life. One has saturn in 7th house in Gemini. > >This person > > > have lost his father, his job, lots of money in business. He > >had to break > > > his relation after engagement and faced emotional depression. > >His life was > > > like hell during this time. But in last phase surprisingly he > >got many > > > things back. I mean he got fantastic job. He got beautiful and > >perfect > >life > > > partner and now is happy and feeling at the top of world. > >Everything has > > > happened in his life in this period of sadesati. So what can > >be the > > > conclusion ???????? > > > > > > Another friend has Saturn in 2nd house in Tarus. During > >sadesatii in same > > > period nothing bad happen in his life. I mean his life was > >simply normal. > > > So what can be the conslusion????????? > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Tushar > > > > > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote: > > > hi, > > > > > > Also I would like to tell you that whole period of > > > sadhesati is not bad (or it appears to be bad), > > > sometimes second phase is good(depends upon planetary > > > combination). So you may be examining only one phase > > > and ignoring others. > > > > > > neeraj > > > > > > > > > --- Vivek wrote: > > > > Hello Ajai, > > > > you have written-- > > > > I do not see any effect of sade sati. > > > > Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani > > > > in > > > > 3rd house(good placing for self) or some other > > > > effects. I would like to hear the comments of all > > > > friends > > > > There can be a big difference between what you see > > > > and what is. > > > > A lot of things are not externally visible to > > > > others. -- sade sati > > > > in particular operates a lot at the mental > > > > level.Kind of secret > > > > suffering. > > > > You can look at someone's situation externally but > > > > you cannot know > > > > what is happening internally.You may see someone > > > > prosper -- but > > > > the prosperity itself maybe causing problems to that > > > > person. > > > > This person is running a good dasha now.A bad dasha > > > > with sade sati > > > > would be worse than a good dasha with sadesati. > > > > Still sadesati shows it's efect.There is no such > > > > thing as good > > > > sadesati. > > > > No one is exempt from sadesati. > > > > A lot of astrologers too get fooled into thinking > > > > that sadesati > > > > has no significance--- by observing the persons > > > > situation > > > > externally.A lot of people do not like to discuss > > > > their problems > > > > in detail. > > > > Regards, > > > > vivek. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 May 2003 ajai singh wrote : > > > > >Greetings to all friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have read various posts on Sani (Which is > > > > commonly > > > > >considered bad). I have also observed many > > > > instances > > > > >where people have got everthing good during Sani's > > > > >sade sati or Sani's dasa. I know a native whose > > > > chart > > > > >has following placements > > > > > > > > > >Cancer (Lagana) > > > > >second house Ketu > > > > >third house Sani > > > > >fourth house Mars (retrogate) > > > > >eighth house Rahu > > > > >tenth house Mer.; Jup. and Ven (angle > 29 deg) > > > > >Eleventh house Moon and Sun > > > > > > > > > >He was born in Kritika Nakshtra on May 23, 1952 at > > > > >10.30 A.M.in Aligarh (U.P.)and is currently in > > > > >Mahadasha of Jupiter (antra Moon). He is under sade > > > > >sati at present. During this period he has attained > > > > >new heights. I do not see any effect of sade sati. > > > > >Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as his Sani > > > > in > > > > >3rd house(good placing for self) or some other > > > > >effects. I would like to hear the comments of all > > > > >friends > > > > > > > > > >Ajai Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Tanvir wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neeraj, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your post about positive views on > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > Both views are needed in life :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Please see below for my replies. > > > > > > >>>>Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and > > > > > > downtimes > > > > > > gives us some lessons that are used in later > > > > part > > > > > > of > > > > > > life. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem > > > > bad > > > > > > while bad period or low period is going, but > > > > that > > > > > > becomes the basis of good times ahead.<<<< > > > > > > > > > > > > Sade Sati, not necessarily will give good at > > > > last. > > > > > > I can not agree to this. Sade Sati is simple a > > > > bad > > > > > > transit - which makes people suffer. If you > > > > benefit > > > > > > from it, it will be for other influences on > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > But it is not compulsory / sure that Sade Sati > > > > makes > > > > > > people suffer to make the basis of good time. Do > > > > not > > > > > > you think that? Basically, from it's self > > > > nature, > > > > > > Sade Sati is bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > If Sade Sati was good to make the basis of > > > > future > > > > > > good time, the learned Gurus here > > > > (Vedic-Astrology > > > > > > list) would not give remedies for Sade Sati. > > > > They > > > > > > would advice us to endure this. Do not you think > > > > so? > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Guru Sanjay Jee suffered for Sade Sati as > > > > he > > > > > > already mentioned that is why he suggested Sri > > > > > > Chamakam so that any other person does not > > > > suffer > > > > > > for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> One do the > > > > > > hardwork and thus gain knowledge and > > > > experience. > > > > > > <<< > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many kind of experience. But in this > > > > > > material world, we never like to get touch > > > > > > experiences. Do we? > > > > > > > > > > > > When you think from religious side, then every > > > > > > suffering and tough times are lessons which we > > > > need. > > > > > > Then, you can say that Saturn is not bad. But > > > > > > actually, then no planets are bad. Because > > > > suffering > > > > > > might come from any planet and from a spiritual > > > > > > sense all sufferings are needed for us that is > > > > why > > > > > > no planet is bad in that sense. Planets are the > > > > > > incarnation of Lord remember, to give us our > > > > Karma > > > > > > phaal. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>Yes, > > > > > > it is true rough times are hard to sustain, > > > > but a > > > > > > there is a positive part also. One tends to > > > > think > > > > > > on > > > > > > different pattern. <<< > > > > > > > > > > > > Not necessarily Sade Sati will make you learn > > > > to > > > > > > think positive. It depends on other matters! > > > > Sade > > > > > > Sati itself does not hold the nature. Please do > > > > not > > > > > > make this mistake. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>Thanks to sadhesati of Shani, > > > > > > otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked > > > > up > > > > > > astrology and devoted my time on that. Now > > > > > > atleast, I > > > > > > know some of the concepts of this art and as > > > > each > > > > > > day > > > > > > progresses, I get to learn new things.<<< > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, do not think that Sade Sati made you > > > > learn > > > > > > astrology. That would be a very big mistake to > > > > think > > > > > > that!! All people go through Sade Sati if they > > > > live > > > > > > a general span of life. But how many people get > > > > into > > > > > > astrology? Please never make this mistake. There > > > > are > > > > > > combinations for spiritual knowledge or > > > > astrology > > > > > > knowledge what is being discussed currently in > > > > the > > > > > > 'Vedic-astrology' list. Spiritual knowledge or > > > > > > Jyotish is indicated from other ways Neeraj. You > > > > > > must have those indications in your chart. > > > > Thousands > > > > > > of Sade Sati will not get you into astrology > > > > unless > > > > > > indicated in your chart in those ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>Now, I feel one should be positive about > > > > it. As > > > > > > Good > > > > > > times were gone, so will the bad times. But > > > > the > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > http://search. > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. 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Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Dear Mr. Narinder, Thanks for sharing the view and the result of New Research. I myself is from Leo-Lagna and saturn is placed in 1st house. Now, My sadhesati is going on, second phase (first one was a very very tough period). Till now, being in sadhesati has not been good for me. It started in june, 2000. And also Mahadasa of saturn is running since 1997. I don't know much about SA, but definitely would like to know more about it. regards, Neeraj Gupta --- Narinder Juneja <njuneja wrote: > > Dear Mr Neeraj, > > The enemity of Sun, Saturn is old story, my comment > is based on new > reasearch of Systems approach. > > With best Wishes. > > Narinder Juneja. > www.MyWebAstrologer.com > K-3/22, Basement, DLF phase-2, > Gurgaon-122002, Haryana. > INDIA > Ph.91-124-2564567, 5014567, > mobile-091-9810058186 > > - > "Neeraj Gupta" <gupta_neeraj_2000 > <gjlist> > Wednesday, May 14, 2003 04:10 PM > Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > > > > Just a comment. > > > > Wow, it's great to see that Saturn is benefic for > 9 > > ascendants out of 12. > > > > However, I have read in most of books that tell > saturn > > is malefic for most of the Lagnas. > > > > One more point. In Leo Lagna, the lord is sun, so > how > > can it be benefic there. As sun and saturn are > > enemies. > > > > neeraj > > --- Narinder Juneja <njuneja > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Darshan, > > > > > > Saturn is benefic for Aries, Taurus, Gemini, > Leo, > > > Libra, Scorpio, > > > Sagittarius, Capricorn & Aquarius ascendants and > its > > > retrogradation does not > > > have any effect. > > > > > > > > > With best Wishes. > > > > > > Narinder Juneja. > > > www.MyWebAstrologer.com > > > K-3/22, Basement, DLF phase-2, > > > Gurgaon-122002, Haryana. > > > INDIA > > > Ph.91-124-2564567, 5014567, > > > mobile-091-9810058186 > > > > > > - > > > <darshan.pawargi > > > <gjlist> > > > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 06:43 PM > > > Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > I understand from the discussion that Sani is > said > > > to be benific for > > > > tula/libra and vrishab/taurus > lagna/ascendents. > > > > But what if it is vakri/retrograde? Does that > have > > > any special > > > > significance. > > > > > > > > Darshan SP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tushar trivedi > > > > <tushar_9@yaho To: > > > gjlist > > > > o.com> cc: > > > > > Subject: > > > Re: [GJ] Re: > > > Sani - my view > > > > 05/13/03 04:52 > > > > PM > > > > Please respond > > > > to gjlist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two of my friend are having moon in Pisc. They > > > both have passed through > > > > sadsati at the same time while saturn passes > > > thorough Aq.-Pisc.- Aries. > > > > (1993 to 2000) > > > > > > > > I have seen both life. One has saturn in 7th > house > > > in Gemini. This person > > > > have lost his father, his job, lots of money > in > > > business. He had to break > > > > his relation after engagement and faced > emotional > > > depression. His life was > > > > like hell during this time. But in last phase > > > surprisingly he got many > > > > things back. I mean he got fantastic job. He > got > > > beautiful and perfect > > > life > > > > partner and now is happy and feeling at the > top of > > > world. Everything has > > > > happened in his life in this period of > sadesati. > > > So what can be the > > > > conclusion ???????? > > > > > > > > Another friend has Saturn in 2nd house in > Tarus. > > > During sadesatii in same > > > > period nothing bad happen in his life. I mean > his > > > life was simply normal. > > > > So what can be the conslusion????????? > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Tushar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 > wrote: > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > Also I would like to tell you that whole > period > > > of > > > > sadhesati is not bad (or it appears to be > bad), > > > > sometimes second phase is good(depends upon > > > planetary > > > > combination). So you may be examining only > one > > > phase > > > > and ignoring others. > > > > > > > > neeraj > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vivek wrote: > > > > > Hello Ajai, > > > > > you have written-- > > > > > I do not see any effect of sade sati. > > > > > Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as > his > > > Sani > > > > > in > > > > > 3rd house(good placing for self) or some > other > > > > > effects. I would like to hear the comments > of > > > all > > > > > friends > > > > > There can be a big difference between what > you > > > see > > > > > and what is. > > > > > A lot of things are not externally visible > to > > > > > others. -- sade sati > > > > > in particular operates a lot at the mental > > > > > level.Kind of secret > > > > > suffering. > > > > > You can look at someone's situation > externally > > > but > > > > > you cannot know > > > > > what is happening internally.You may see > > > someone > > > > > prosper -- but > > > > > the prosperity itself maybe causing > problems to > === message truncated === ===== http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Hello Neeraj, If you really want to know and learn more about SA, all you have to do is to go to the web site i.e.www.mywebastrologer.com of Mr.Narinder Juneja and read all about SA and get in touch with him directly for guidance . That is a suggestion worth something for learning SA. Best of luck.......Amar Puri. >Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 >gjlist >gjlist >Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view >Thu, 15 May 2003 06:04:26 -0700 (PDT) > >Dear Mr. Narinder, > >Thanks for sharing the view and the result of New >Research. I myself is from Leo-Lagna and saturn is >placed in 1st house. > >Now, My sadhesati is going on, second phase (first one >was a very very tough period). Till now, being in >sadhesati has not been good for me. It started in >june, 2000. And also Mahadasa of saturn is running >since 1997. > >I don't know much about SA, but definitely would like >to know more about it. > >regards, > >Neeraj Gupta > > >--- Narinder Juneja <njuneja >wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Neeraj, > > > > The enemity of Sun, Saturn is old story, my comment > > is based on new > > reasearch of Systems approach. > > > > With best Wishes. > > > > Narinder Juneja. > > www.MyWebAstrologer.com > > K-3/22, Basement, DLF phase-2, > > Gurgaon-122002, Haryana. > > INDIA > > Ph.91-124-2564567, 5014567, > > mobile-091-9810058186 > > > > - > > "Neeraj Gupta" <gupta_neeraj_2000 > > <gjlist> > > Wednesday, May 14, 2003 04:10 PM > > Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > > > > > > > Just a comment. > > > > > > Wow, it's great to see that Saturn is benefic for > > 9 > > > ascendants out of 12. > > > > > > However, I have read in most of books that tell > > saturn > > > is malefic for most of the Lagnas. > > > > > > One more point. In Leo Lagna, the lord is sun, so > > how > > > can it be benefic there. As sun and saturn are > > > enemies. > > > > > > neeraj > > > --- Narinder Juneja <njuneja > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Darshan, > > > > > > > > Saturn is benefic for Aries, Taurus, Gemini, > > Leo, > > > > Libra, Scorpio, > > > > Sagittarius, Capricorn & Aquarius ascendants and > > its > > > > retrogradation does not > > > > have any effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > With best Wishes. > > > > > > > > Narinder Juneja. > > > > www.MyWebAstrologer.com > > > > K-3/22, Basement, DLF phase-2, > > > > Gurgaon-122002, Haryana. > > > > INDIA > > > > Ph.91-124-2564567, 5014567, > > > > mobile-091-9810058186 > > > > > > > > - > > > > <darshan.pawargi > > > > <gjlist> > > > > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 06:43 PM > > > > Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > I understand from the discussion that Sani is > > said > > > > to be benific for > > > > > tula/libra and vrishab/taurus > > lagna/ascendents. > > > > > But what if it is vakri/retrograde? Does that > > have > > > > any special > > > > > significance. > > > > > > > > > > Darshan SP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tushar trivedi > > > > > <tushar_9@yaho To: > > > > gjlist > > > > > o.com> cc: > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > Re: [GJ] Re: > > > > Sani - my view > > > > > 05/13/03 04:52 > > > > > PM > > > > > Please respond > > > > > to gjlist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two of my friend are having moon in Pisc. They > > > > both have passed through > > > > > sadsati at the same time while saturn passes > > > > thorough Aq.-Pisc.- Aries. > > > > > (1993 to 2000) > > > > > > > > > > I have seen both life. One has saturn in 7th > > house > > > > in Gemini. This person > > > > > have lost his father, his job, lots of money > > in > > > > business. He had to break > > > > > his relation after engagement and faced > > emotional > > > > depression. His life was > > > > > like hell during this time. But in last phase > > > > surprisingly he got many > > > > > things back. I mean he got fantastic job. He > > got > > > > beautiful and perfect > > > > life > > > > > partner and now is happy and feeling at the > > top of > > > > world. Everything has > > > > > happened in his life in this period of > > sadesati. > > > > So what can be the > > > > > conclusion ???????? > > > > > > > > > > Another friend has Saturn in 2nd house in > > Tarus. > > > > During sadesatii in same > > > > > period nothing bad happen in his life. I mean > > his > > > > life was simply normal. > > > > > So what can be the conslusion????????? > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Tushar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 > > wrote: > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > > > Also I would like to tell you that whole > > period > > > > of > > > > > sadhesati is not bad (or it appears to be > > bad), > > > > > sometimes second phase is good(depends upon > > > > planetary > > > > > combination). So you may be examining only > > one > > > > phase > > > > > and ignoring others. > > > > > > > > > > neeraj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vivek wrote: > > > > > > Hello Ajai, > > > > > > you have written-- > > > > > > I do not see any effect of sade sati. > > > > > > Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as > > his > > > > Sani > > > > > > in > > > > > > 3rd house(good placing for self) or some > > other > > > > > > effects. I would like to hear the comments > > of > > > > all > > > > > > friends > > > > > > There can be a big difference between what > > you > > > > see > > > > > > and what is. > > > > > > A lot of things are not externally visible > > to > > > > > > others. -- sade sati > > > > > > in particular operates a lot at the mental > > > > > > level.Kind of secret > > > > > > suffering. > > > > > > You can look at someone's situation > > externally > > > > but > > > > > > you cannot know > > > > > > what is happening internally.You may see > > > > someone > > > > > > prosper -- but > > > > > > the prosperity itself maybe causing > > problems to > > >=== message truncated === > > >===== >http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > >The New Search - Faster. Easier. 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Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 Dear Mr Neeraj, You can refer my site for more information on SA. With best Wishes. Narinder Juneja. www.MyWebAstrologer.com K-3/22, Basement, DLF phase-2, Gurgaon-122002, Haryana. INDIA Ph.91-124-2564567, 5014567, mobile-091-9810058186 - "Neeraj Gupta" <gupta_neeraj_2000 <gjlist> Thursday, May 15, 2003 06:34 PM Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > Dear Mr. Narinder, > > Thanks for sharing the view and the result of New > Research. I myself is from Leo-Lagna and saturn is > placed in 1st house. > > Now, My sadhesati is going on, second phase (first one > was a very very tough period). Till now, being in > sadhesati has not been good for me. It started in > june, 2000. And also Mahadasa of saturn is running > since 1997. > > I don't know much about SA, but definitely would like > to know more about it. > > regards, > > Neeraj Gupta > > > --- Narinder Juneja <njuneja > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Neeraj, > > > > The enemity of Sun, Saturn is old story, my comment > > is based on new > > reasearch of Systems approach. > > > > With best Wishes. > > > > Narinder Juneja. > > www.MyWebAstrologer.com > > K-3/22, Basement, DLF phase-2, > > Gurgaon-122002, Haryana. > > INDIA > > Ph.91-124-2564567, 5014567, > > mobile-091-9810058186 > > > > - > > "Neeraj Gupta" <gupta_neeraj_2000 > > <gjlist> > > Wednesday, May 14, 2003 04:10 PM > > Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > > > > > > > Just a comment. > > > > > > Wow, it's great to see that Saturn is benefic for > > 9 > > > ascendants out of 12. > > > > > > However, I have read in most of books that tell > > saturn > > > is malefic for most of the Lagnas. > > > > > > One more point. In Leo Lagna, the lord is sun, so > > how > > > can it be benefic there. As sun and saturn are > > > enemies. > > > > > > neeraj > > > --- Narinder Juneja <njuneja > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Darshan, > > > > > > > > Saturn is benefic for Aries, Taurus, Gemini, > > Leo, > > > > Libra, Scorpio, > > > > Sagittarius, Capricorn & Aquarius ascendants and > > its > > > > retrogradation does not > > > > have any effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > With best Wishes. > > > > > > > > Narinder Juneja. > > > > www.MyWebAstrologer.com > > > > K-3/22, Basement, DLF phase-2, > > > > Gurgaon-122002, Haryana. > > > > INDIA > > > > Ph.91-124-2564567, 5014567, > > > > mobile-091-9810058186 > > > > > > > > - > > > > <darshan.pawargi > > > > <gjlist> > > > > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 06:43 PM > > > > Re: [GJ] Re: Sani - my view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > I understand from the discussion that Sani is > > said > > > > to be benific for > > > > > tula/libra and vrishab/taurus > > lagna/ascendents. > > > > > But what if it is vakri/retrograde? Does that > > have > > > > any special > > > > > significance. > > > > > > > > > > Darshan SP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tushar trivedi > > > > > <tushar_9@yaho To: > > > > gjlist > > > > > o.com> cc: > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > Re: [GJ] Re: > > > > Sani - my view > > > > > 05/13/03 04:52 > > > > > PM > > > > > Please respond > > > > > to gjlist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two of my friend are having moon in Pisc. They > > > > both have passed through > > > > > sadsati at the same time while saturn passes > > > > thorough Aq.-Pisc.- Aries. > > > > > (1993 to 2000) > > > > > > > > > > I have seen both life. One has saturn in 7th > > house > > > > in Gemini. This person > > > > > have lost his father, his job, lots of money > > in > > > > business. He had to break > > > > > his relation after engagement and faced > > emotional > > > > depression. His life was > > > > > like hell during this time. But in last phase > > > > surprisingly he got many > > > > > things back. I mean he got fantastic job. He > > got > > > > beautiful and perfect > > > > life > > > > > partner and now is happy and feeling at the > > top of > > > > world. Everything has > > > > > happened in his life in this period of > > sadesati. > > > > So what can be the > > > > > conclusion ???????? > > > > > > > > > > Another friend has Saturn in 2nd house in > > Tarus. > > > > During sadesatii in same > > > > > period nothing bad happen in his life. I mean > > his > > > > life was simply normal. > > > > > So what can be the conslusion????????? > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Tushar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 > > wrote: > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > > > Also I would like to tell you that whole > > period > > > > of > > > > > sadhesati is not bad (or it appears to be > > bad), > > > > > sometimes second phase is good(depends upon > > > > planetary > > > > > combination). So you may be examining only > > one > > > > phase > > > > > and ignoring others. > > > > > > > > > > neeraj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vivek wrote: > > > > > > Hello Ajai, > > > > > > you have written-- > > > > > > I do not see any effect of sade sati. > > > > > > Can this be ascribed to good sade sati as > > his > > > > Sani > > > > > > in > > > > > > 3rd house(good placing for self) or some > > other > > > > > > effects. I would like to hear the comments > > of > > > > all > > > > > > friends > > > > > > There can be a big difference between what > > you > > > > see > > > > > > and what is. > > > > > > A lot of things are not externally visible > > to > > > > > > others. -- sade sati > > > > > > in particular operates a lot at the mental > > > > > > level.Kind of secret > > > > > > suffering. > > > > > > You can look at someone's situation > > externally > > > > but > > > > > > you cannot know > > > > > > what is happening internally.You may see > > > > someone > > > > > > prosper -- but > > > > > > the prosperity itself maybe causing > > problems to > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search. > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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