Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 thank u very much for your reply and inspiration. I agree with you in whatever you have written but that is not the point. Personally I don't believe in accepting whatever happens in life as it is. What I believe is if astrology is true (I believe that it is true as subject) then it means there is some system defined by nature/destiny and if there is a system then there must be rules and if we can know the rules then we can know the causes behind whatever happens in human life and trying to find those mystries is not task against nature. If we can consider Astrology as science then we should be open enough for inventions. Anyway I just expressed my feelings regards Tushar"N." <anmar (AT) attcanada (DOT) ca> wrote: Dear Tushar,I would have shared my experience/s/ with you, but I don't think you areready to hear that I believe in astrology. I sense bitterness in yourmessage- we all feel from time to time that 'life is not fair' to us, thatwe are given heavier load than others..because we compare ourselves withthose who are in a "better" position, one way or another. In fact, I believethat God doesn't give us more than we can handle and also that He "gives uswhat we need, not what we want". /It doesn't mean that I am spared & notcrying 'Why me, God!" when the pain comes/My experience with Astrology is that it helps us understand this basic truth/above/ better, and easier...If you search for prediction /only/ and not for /self, world,God../understanding, little will you get from Astrology:because it's hardly ever 100% accurate, because you know astrologer who is abad guy, too many variables, too little 'tangibles'..etc.I felt that your disappointment at the moment is genuine and I amresponding. It's not 'discussion' you asked for,if that is what you wanted, anyway, just my view.Wish you all the best,with or without astrology,Anna----- Original Message -----"tushar_9" Saturday, April 26, 2003 2:14 AM[GJ] Everybody's consusion> Dear list members and experts,>> This mail is little longer but I required to write this much details> to explain my confusion. I hope everybody will agree with me after> reading entire mail.>> Each person who have came in touch of astrology knows that there are> 12 planets, 12 signs and 27 stars but combination of those creates> such a wide verities of result so that each person is living unique> life. So prediction becomes really difficult task and it is almost> impossible to get 100% accuracy.>> The point I'm going to put here is probably discussed thousands of> time between people who are interested in Astrology but personally I> could not get satisfactory answer so I'm trying to get some knowledge> from experts like you.>> Biggest confusion for Astrology student is to know which planets are> benific and which are melific for an individual.>> Now coming to the point I know two theories of Vedic Astrology>> (1) Sun, Mars, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu creates negative effects and> Jupiter, Moon, Venus and Mercury creates positive effect in> individual's life. This is very general rule. Normally we tend to> consider Saturn and Mars responsible for any kind of negativity in> our life.>> (2) Second theory is based on Lagna dependent. For specific rising> sign, some are supportive planets and some are opposite. I think> Parasharya's rules are mostly accepted.>> But in reality we can see that both are incomplete rules because many> time we see that some people never get anything good in their entire> life and some never face any kind of major problem in life and get> every kind of happiness. (problems being created due to nature and> attitude of person is not considered here)>> There is no theory where it is possible that every planets are> supportive to an individual then why some people gets everything in> life? and there is no theory where it is possible that every planets> are giving negative effect to an individual person then why some> people gets nothing in life?>> CONSLUSIVELY MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE THEORY TO KNOW WHICH PLANET> IS CREATING WHAT KIND OF EFFECT IN INDIVIDUAL'S LIFE AND WHEN> CERTAINS INCIDENCE HAPPENS IN SOMEONE'S LIFE?>> If we can not come to accurate theory and astrology is just creating> more confusions in life then there is no use of such knowledge that's> what I believe.>> I have lots of example which violets well known Astrology rules. May> be my knowledge is not sufficient so that I could not resolve the> cause of problem. I want to discuss all this example (charts) with> group members so that students like me can understand the mysteries> of astrology.>> I hope I have putted my question in simple manner and I'm expecting> some knowledge from group members. I'M EXPECTING EVERYBODY'S OWN> EXPERIENCE, NOT SENTENCES/QUOTES FROM BOOKS.>> Regards>> Tushar>>>>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> To , send an email to: gjlist-> http://www.goravani.com>>> Your use of is subject to >>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Dear Tushar I would agree with what you say, only I would substitute the word Lessons for rules. If we can understand what the time is teaching us more quickly we can integrate that into our lives and so deflect much of the self-induced suffering caused by resistance. c - tushar trivedi gjlist Saturday, April 26, 2003 4:04 AM Re: [GJ] Everybody's consusion - Anna Dear Anna, thank u very much for your reply and inspiration. I agree with you in whatever you have written but that is not the point. Personally I don't believe in accepting whatever happens in life as it is. What I believe is if astrology is true (I believe that it is true as subject) then it means there is some system defined by nature/destiny and if there is a system then there must be rules and if we can know the rules then we can know the causes behind whatever happens in human life and trying to find those mystries is not task against nature. If we can consider Astrology as science then we should be open enough for inventions. Anyway I just expressed my feelings regards Tushar"N." <anmar (AT) attcanada (DOT) ca> wrote: Dear Tushar,I would have shared my experience/s/ with you, but I don't think you areready to hear that I believe in astrology. I sense bitterness in yourmessage- we all feel from time to time that 'life is not fair' to us, thatwe are given heavier load than others..because we compare ourselves withthose who are in a "better" position, one way or another. In fact, I believethat God doesn't give us more than we can handle and also that He "gives uswhat we need, not what we want". /It doesn't mean that I am spared & notcrying 'Why me, God!" when the pain comes/My experience with Astrology is that it helps us understand this basic truth/above/ better, and easier...If you search for prediction /only/ and not for /self, world,God../understanding, little will you get from Astrology:because it's hardly ever 100% accurate, because you know astrologer who is abad guy, too many variables, too little 'tangibles'..etc.I felt that your disappointment at the moment is genuine and I amresponding. It's not 'discussion' you asked for,if that is what you wanted, anyway, just my view.Wish you all the best,with or without astrology,Anna----- Original Message -----"tushar_9" Saturday, April 26, 2003 2:14 AM[GJ] Everybody's consusion> Dear list members and experts,>> This mail is little longer but I required to write this much details> to explain my confusion. I hope everybody will agree with me after> reading entire mail.>> Each person who have came in touch of astrology knows that there are> 12 planets, 12 signs and 27 stars but combination of those creates> such a wide verities of result so that each person is living unique> life. So prediction becomes really difficul! t task a nd it is almost> impossible to get 100% accuracy.>> The point I'm going to put here is probably discussed thousands of> time between people who are interested in Astrology but personally I> could not get satisfactory answer so I'm trying to get some knowledge> from experts like you.>> Biggest confusion for Astrology student is to know which planets are> benific and which are melific for an individual.>> Now coming to the point I know two theories of Vedic Astrology>> (1) Sun, Mars, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu creates negative effects and> Jupiter, Moon, Venus and Mercury creates positive effect in> individual's life. This is very general rule. Normally we tend to> consider Saturn and Mars responsible for any kind of negativity in> our life.>> (2) Second theory is based on Lagna dependent. For specific rising> sign, some are supportive planets and some are opposite. I think> Parasharya's rules are mostly accepted.>> But in reality we can see that both are incomplete rules because many> time we see that some people never get anything good in their entire> life and some never face any kind of major problem in life and get> every kind of happiness. (problems being created due to nature and> attitude of person is not considered here)>> There is no theory where it is possible that every planets are> supportive to an individual then why some people gets everything in> life? and there is no theory where it is possible that every planets> are giving negative effect to an individual person then why some> people gets nothing in life?>> CONSLUSIVELY MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE THEORY TO KNOW WHICH PLANET> IS CREATING WHAT KIND OF EFFECT IN INDIVIDUAL'S LIFE AND WHEN> CERTAINS INCIDENCE HAPPENS IN SOMEONE'S LIFE?>> If we can not come to accurate theory and! astrolo gy is just creating> more confusions in life then there is no use of such knowledge that's> what I believe.>> I have lots of example which violets well known Astrology rules. May> be my knowledge is not sufficient so that I could not resolve the> cause of problem. I want to discuss all this example (charts) with> group members so that students like me can understand the mysteries> of astrology.>> I hope I have putted my question in simple manner and I'm expecting> some knowledge from group members. I'M EXPECTING EVERYBODY'S OWN> EXPERIENCE, NOT SENTENCES/QUOTES FROM BOOKS.>> Regards>> Tushar>>>>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> To , send an email to: gjlist-> http://www.goravani.com>>> Your use of is subject to >>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 I agree with Tushar. He is frustrated because he senses a truth, but he can't reach it. There is so much information and so many different ways of looking at something, that it is as if there are just millions of pixels that make no pattern. I also agree with him that just because someone says something in a text, no matter how venerated, it doesn't mean it is going to be true for that individual. I think he is being practical, and he wants to see a system that really is consistent based on laws that work when you apply them. Otherwise, it is just faith and hope. Can anyone share their experiences of things they have seen that are real with real people? Thanks, ChrisH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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