Raman's ayanamsa / Raman's BIRTH DETAILS.

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Hello Vivek.

 

His birth details are as follows:

 

DOB: 8/8/1912

POB: Bangalore, INDIA

TOB: 7hrs 42min 44sec PM (IST)

 

This from his book from page12 of ' My Experiences with Astrology'.

 

I have been reading his books and learnt a lot about astrology from him but

I am not perfect and have to learn a lot. I am on a sea shore where the sand

is, the pearls are in the ocean.

 

I do not think it was the old age but I do not know.

 

Do let us know what you arrive at

 

Regards.

 

Babu

 

 

 

 

 

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Thursday, April 24, 2003 8:04 AM

Re: [GJ] Re: Raman's ayanamsa

 

 

> Dear Ash,

> I suspect that old age affected his thinking abilities.This

> happens to many people.

> By the way,does anyone have B.V.Raman's birth details?

> vivek.

>

> On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 ashsam73 wrote :

> >Dear Vivek,

> >

> >I thought Dr. B.V Raman came to this new ayanamsa at a much

> >later

> >stage in his life, even after he had written books using Lahiri

> >I

> >believe.

> >

> >There must have been some other reason that we are all unaware

> >of

> >that would have lead to such a change despite writing books with

> >a

> >diff ayanamsa. Such a learned person despite knowing that

> >there

> >would be anomalies in his works i.e. earlier books with a

> >different

> >ayanamsa and later books with Ramans ayanamsa despite that fact

> >he

> >still came up with this ayanamsa that was quite different and

> >stuck

> >by it. So this leads me to beleive that there must be a stong

> >driving factor whatever that was.

> >

> >I just have a feeling that there is more to it and I may be

> >wrong....

> >cause common sense dictates that no one just wakes up one day

> >and

> >changes everything that have worked on all their lives and

> >changes it

> >just like that ... lol...

> >

> >Cheers !!!

> >Ash

> >

> >gjlist, "Vivek " <keviv90@r...> wrote:

> > > Dear ash,

> > > It is really a mystery as to why such a great scholar like

> > > B.V.Raman used a wrong ayanamsa.It is obviously wrong.

> > > The bigger mystery is why he did not correct it through

> > > experience.

> > > Raman's ayanamsa makes a difference of close to 2 years in

> > > vimshottari dasha in my chart.Events certainly do not

> >justify

> > > this.

> > > vivek.

> > >

> > > On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 ashsam73 wrote :

> > > >Dear Sanjayji and list members,

> > > >

> > > >Are you or anyone aware of the reason why Dr. B.V. Raman

> >chose

> > > >or

> > > >used this ayanamsa he is called Ramans or which is about 1

> >degree

> > > >and

> > > >some mins less than Lahiri ?

> > > >

> > > >There must have been some reason for such a great scholar

> >to

> > > >have

> > > >used this or come up with this. From what I am aware Dr.

> >came

> > > >up

> > > >with this ayansma after lots of years of research.

> > > >

> > > >Thanking you,

> > > >Cheers !!!

> > > >Ash

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >gjlist, "Sanjay Rath"

> ><daivagyna@s...>

> > > >wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Sri Gurave namah

> > > > > Dear Nicholas

> > > > > With Mercury exalted in the third from Arudha Lagna, he

> >has

> > > >become

> > > >very

> > > > > spiritual I hear. Some tols that he listens to Vishnu

> > > >sahasranama

> > > >everyday .

> > > > > proves the point about spirituality with exalted benefic

> >in

> > > >the

> > > >third or

> > > > > sixth from AL.

> > > > > Manoj, I did not know about the ayanamsa issue. Perhaps

> >people

> > > >had

> > > >been

> > > > > coloring me with different stories. If that is the point,

> >then

> > > >let

> > > >me make

> > > > > it clear that even I don't follow it and have never

> >agreed

> > > >with

> > > >that weird

> > > > > ayanamsa. It's way off the mark. What I was told was

> > > >something

> > > >about books

> > > > > and course materials. Anyway numbers don't count in

> >deciding

> > > >and as

> > > >far as

> > > > > the world stage is concerned, Dr Raman still holds the

> >sway.

> > > >So in

> > > >material

> > > > > (sansara terms) it is a different story, although I

> >wonder

> > > >if

> > > >Jupiter

> > > > > antardasa has started for K N Rao as this is what I am

> >waiting

> > > >to

> > > >see and

> > > > > judge the results of Jupiter. Prima facie, I think Guru

> >will

> > > >give

> > > >the

> > > > > results of Pisces as this is the sign it

> >aspects...remember

> > > >my

> > > >quote about

> > > > > Chandra Kala nadi.

> > > > > With best regards,

> > > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > > H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

> > > > > Webpages: http://srath.com

> > > > > ----

> > > > >

> > > > > Wrom: GYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNB

> > > > > Wednesday, April 23, 2003 12:14:55 PM

> > > > > gjlist

> > > > > [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/ Sanjay

> > > >clarification

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sanjay

> > > > > I thought K N Rao became the most famous vedic astrologer

> >in

> > > >the

> > > >world when

> > > > > Professor Raman's health declined .

> > > > > Nicholas

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > Wrom: OHMKHJYFMYX

> > > > > gjlist

> > > > > Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:00 PM

> > > > > Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ~OM~

> > > > > Dear Vivek,

> > > > >

> > > > > Karma really cannot be dissociated with the events in such

> >a

> > > >manner, but

> > > > > prima facie, you are right in your thinking. I will give

> >an

> > > >illustration of

> > > > > my point.

> > > > > Take the sixth house: Natural good (what people call

> >benefic,

> > > >but

> > > >actually

> > > > > Subha like Jupiter, Ketu, Vemus, Mercury and Moon)

> >planets

> > > >placed

> > > >there

> > > > > indicate one who shall be freed from the troubles of the

> > > >sixth

> > > >house by the

> > > > > deity indicated by the planet. All 'Agantuka drista'

> > > >roga/satru

> > > >shall vanish

> > > > > at the smile of such a strong and good planet.

> > > > > However, an exactly similar situation occuring from AL is

> >the

> > > >most

> > > >terrible.

> > > > > If the planet in the sixth from AL or its lord is a

> >natural

> > > >benefic

> > > >and is

> > > > > strong, then the native is tormented by enemies.

> > > > > Here, both the situations are karmic as they indicate

> >the

> > > >manifestation of

> > > > > karma but the analysis of the result is exactly the

> > > >opposite.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another example: Chandra kala nadi says that for Libra

> >lagna

> > > >native, the

> > > > > great blessing is the strength of exalted Jupiter as the

> > > >enemies

> > > >will flee

> > > > > like elephants running from a battlefield. Now, if Libra

> >is

> > > >the

> > > >Arudha Lagna

> > > > > then the exactly opposite situation would arise if the

> >sixth

> > > >lord

> > > >were

> > > > > exalted. This may seem easy to understand, but in

> >application,

> > > >this

> > > >is the

> > > > > key to Raj-jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take the chart of K N Rao for example. He has Libra

> >Lagna

> > > >with

> > > >Venus in it

> > > > > and Jupiter in the 10th house in exaltation and Mercury in

> >the

> > > >12th

> > > >house in

> > > > > exaltation. From the Lagna, the sixth lord Jupiter is

> >exalted

> > > >and

> > > >this may

> > > > > seem fantastic, but look at it from Arudha Lagna. The AL

> >is

> > > >in

> > > >Cancer with

> > > > > the sixth lord Jupiter in exaltation. Thus, Jupiter has

> >the

> > > >power

> > > >to destroy

> > > > > all enemies (as lord of Pisces) or to destroy him and

> > > >promote

> > > >enemies (as

> > > > > lord of Sagittarius)....how would you decide what Jupiter

> >is

> > > >going

> > > >to do?

> > > > > Mercury is going to teach him the spiritual way and in

> > > >exaltation

> > > >in third

> > > > > from AL gives pravrajya in the positive sense and defeat

> >in

> > > >the

> > > >battle of

> > > > > sansara in the material sense. His differences with B V

> > > >Raman

> > > >started in

> > > > > Mercury dasa. The end result was a forgone conclusion as

> > > >during the

> > > >dasa of

> > > > > a natural benefic (subha, good) planet exalted in the 3rd

> >or

> > > >6th

> > > > from AL, it

> > > > > is foolish to fight with anyone as the native is surely

> > > >defeated.

> > > > >

> > > > > With best wishes,

> > > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > >

> >------------------------

> > > > > H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

> > > > > +91-674-2436871;

> > > > > Webpages:http://srath.com http://.org

> > > > > ------------------

> > > > > ----

> > > > >

> > > > > Wrom: OEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZIDRE

> > > > > Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:48:23 PM

> > > > > gjlist

> > > > > Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear sanjay,

> > > > > I agree with you.

> > > > > My understanding is that Natal chart being karmic

> >position

> > > >at

> > > > > birth,it shows the KARMIC side --- that is a house in

> >the

> > > >chart

> > > > > will show things from a karmic angle,the matters of that

> > > >house.

> > > > > Whereas the arudha pada of that house will show it from

> >the

> > > >EVENT

> > > > > angle.

> > > > > Perceptions differ to such an extent that the same event

> >can

> > > >cause

> > > > > either joy or suffering.

> > > > > For example:- Death of a spouse.Externally it may be seen

> >that

> > > >the

> > > > > person is mourning but the person may actually be

> >rejoicing!

> > > > > If rejoicing is the case,it could be the result of good

> >past

> > > > > karma.

> > > > > So it is basically KARMIC ANGLE V/S EVENT ANGLE.

> > > > > Am I right?

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > vivek.

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 Sanjay Rath wrote :

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >~OM~

> > > > > >Dear Vivek

> > > > > >I remember a famous quote

> > > > > >"Cowards die many times but the brave taste of death

> >but

> > > > > >once"...so you will

> > > > > >agree that the perception of death (mrityu) or near

> >death

> > > > > >(apa-mrityu) will

> > > > > >vary from one chart to another. So even in death,

> >perception

> > > >and

> > > > > >reality

> > > > > >differ.

> > > > > >For how many years have we speculated whether the great

> > > >Subhash

> > > > > >Chandra Bose

> > > > > >is actually dead? For how many years do we wonder on

> >how

> > > > > >Chaitanya

> > > > > >Mahaprabhu left this world. He just walked into the idol

> >of

> > > > > >Jagannath!! can

> > > > > >you perceive or imagine this.

> > > > > >Even in death, an event, perceptions differ. When

> >someone

> > > >dies,

> > > > > >most lament,

> > > > > >some enemies delight, and most don't care. The reality

> >is

> > > >the

> > > > > >same for all

> > > > > >yet the perception is different.

> > > > > >This is not an easy topic and most people avoid it. But

> >it

> > > >is

> > > > > >worth thinking

> > > > > >as no one can give a perfect answer...after all who

> >knows

> > > >Satya

> > > > > >or the

> > > > > >perfect truth, what we all understand is half truths.

> > > > > >With best wishes,

> > > > > >Sanjay Rath

> > > > >

> > >------------------------

> > > > > >H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

> > > > > >+91-674-2436871;

> > > > > >Webpages:http://srath.com http://.org

> > > > > >------------------

> > > > > >----

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wrom: XCAXZOWCONEUQZAAFXISHJ

> > > > > >Sunday, April 20, 2003 12:15:41 PM

> > > > > >gjlist

> > > > > >Re: Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Hello Robert and Anna,

> > > > > >Perception and reality cannot be different in some

> > > >cases.Length

> > > > > >of

> > > > > >life for example.

> > > > > >I wish I could get an exact definition of AL.

> > > > > >I recollect a statement I saw while searching on the

> >net

> > > >for

> > > > > >Arudha lagna:- "When ketu transits the trines of arudha

> > > > > >lagna,he

> > > > > >gives moksha-gati"

> > > > > >So what is the significance of the trines of AL?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 N. wrote :

> > > > > > >Dear Robert,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >I understand your questions- I have lots of them, too:

> >re

> > > >ALs

> > > > > >and

> > > > > > >D charts, length of year /360 vs. 365/, numerous Dasa

> > > > > >systems,

> > > > > > >let alone various ayanamsas, etc.

> > > > > > >As you know there is no answer to these questions.

> >Lots

> > > >of

> > > > > > >Jyotish concepts, from various schools, and from

> > > >'integrative

> > > > > > >approach' of SJC as well /that you also represent/, or

> >due

> > > >to

> > > > > > >the fact that it is 'eclectic' in nature even more so,

> >do

> > > >not

> > > > > > >provide firm theoretical frame. And in most jyotish

> > > >concepts

> > > > > >we

> > > > > > >depend on /justified/ trust in Parashara and Jaimini-

> >even

> > > >if

> > > > > >we

> > > > > > >are unable to formulate 'logical' explanation /at

> >least

> > > >at

> > > > > >the

> > > > > > >moment, at least in theory/ for some of their

> >statements.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >So, why do you think that I am supposed to provide

> > > > > >theoretical

> > > > > > >framework for Arudha Lagnas - or any other- concept

> >/in

> > > >this

> > > > > > >particular case/ when, as far as I know, neither you

> >nor

> > > > > >others,

> > > > > > >who use them, haven't done so far? In fact in my

> >attempt

> > > >to

> > > > > > >explain ALs to Vivek I did make some guesses, as they

> > > >appeared

> > > > > >to

> > > > > > >me. How long/if I will use them in the future, depends

> >on

> > > > > >results

> > > > > > >I'd have with them. You obviously use them, and that

> > > >means

> > > > > >that

> > > > > > >you've found them 'workable'- I've seen your and

> >Narsimha

> > > > > > >discussion on predicting the death from AL analysis-

> >so

> > > >you

> > > > > > >should be better able to give the answer to the

> >question

> > > > > >bellow-

> > > > > > >if it's not only rhetorical, as, sorry Robert, it

> >appears

> > > >to

> > > > > > >me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Plese read my post again- and you'll find an attempt

> >to

> > > > > >formulate

> > > > > > >what ALs stand for, and therefore meaning of 'real'

> > > >'reality'

> > > > > > >truth' are more descriptive that defining- Failure to

> > > >notice

> > > > > >that

> > > > > > >leads to argument for the sake of argument, and is

> >not

> > > >worth

> > > > > > >attention/time.

> > > > > > >If you have better explanation, we all would benefit

> > from

> > > > > >your

> > > > > > >sharing, and I would appreciate that very much, too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >In other words, I am itching to hear from you 'how

> >real

> > > >is

> > > > > >real'

> > > > > > >and get well rounded definition of ALs- that would

> > > >contribute

> > > > > >to

> > > > > > >our knowledge a lot.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > > >Anna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Robert A. Koch

> > > > > > > gjlist

> > > > > > > Saturday, April 19, 2003 9:08 PM

> > > > > > > Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Ann and Vivek,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Interesting discussion re: Arudha lagna. May I pose

> >a

> > > > > > >question here? Anna, you state that the lagna and AL

> >both

> > > > > >stand

> > > > > > >for real things, and your position re: AL in that

> >regard

> > > >is

> > > > > > >well-taken. Accepting this, then, the next most

> >logical

> > > > > >question

> > > > > > >would be:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. The karaka for the lagna (i.e. truth/reality) is

> >the

> > > >Sun.

> > > > > > >There are no controversies here.

> > > > > > > 2. If that is the case, then what would be the

> >karaka

> > > >for

> > > > > > >the Arudha lagna if, as you say, it also stands for

> > > > > >truth/reality

> > > > > > >(in your opinion)?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > > Robert

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > > > > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> > > > > > > Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

> > > > > > > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

> > > > > > > http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

> > > > > > > Ph: 541.318.0248

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat

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