purpose of arudha lagna/s/ Sanjay clarification

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Om Sri Gurave namah

Dear Nicholas

With Mercury exalted in the third from Arudha Lagna, he has become very

spiritual I hear. Some tols that he listens to Vishnu sahasranama everyday

...proves the point about spirituality with exalted benefic in the third or

sixth from AL.

Manoj, I did not know about the ayanamsa issue. Perhaps people had been coloring

me with different stories. If that is the point, then let me make it clear that

even I don't follow it and have never agreed with that weird ayanamsa. It's way

off the mark. What I was told was something about books and course materials.

Anyway numbers don't count in deciding and as far as the world stage is

concerned, Dr Raman still holds the sway. So in material (sansara terms) it is

a different story, although I wonder if Jupiter antardasa has started for K N

Rao as this is what I am waiting to see and judge the results of Jupiter. Prima

facie, I think Guru will give the results of Pisces as this is the sign it

aspects...remember my quote about Chandra Kala nadi.

With best regards,

Sanjay Rath

H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

Webpages: http://srath.com

----

 

 

Dear Sanjay

I thought K N Rao became the most famous vedic astrologer in the world when

Professor Raman's health declined .

Nicholas

 

-

Sanjay Rath

gjlist

Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:00 PM

Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/

 

 

~OM~

Dear Vivek,

 

Karma really cannot be dissociated with the events in such a manner, but prima

facie, you are right in your thinking. I will give an illustration of my point.

Take the sixth house: Natural good (what people call benefic, but actually Subha

like Jupiter, Ketu, Vemus, Mercury and Moon) planets placed there indicate one

who shall be freed from the troubles of the sixth house by the deity indicated

by the planet. All 'Agantuka drista' roga/satru shall vanish at the smile of

such a strong and good planet.

However, an exactly similar situation occuring from AL is the most terrible. If

the planet in the sixth from AL or its lord is a natural benefic and is strong,

then the native is tormented by enemies.

Here, both the situations are karmic as they indicate the manifestation of karma

but the analysis of the result is exactly the opposite.

 

Another example: Chandra kala nadi says that for Libra lagna native, the great

blessing is the strength of exalted Jupiter as the enemies will flee like

elephants running from a battlefield. Now, if Libra is the Arudha Lagna, then

the exactly opposite situation would arise if the sixth lord were exalted. This

may seem easy to understand, but in application, this is the key to Raj-jyotish.

 

 

Take the chart of K N Rao for example. He has Libra Lagna with Venus in it and

Jupiter in the 10th house in exaltation and Mercury in the 12th house in

exaltation. From the Lagna, the sixth lord Jupiter is exalted and this may seem

fantastic, but look at it from Arudha Lagna. The AL is in Cancer with the sixth

lord Jupiter in exaltation. Thus, Jupiter has the power to destroy all enemies

(as lord of Pisces) or to destroy him and promote enemies (as lord of

Sagittarius)....how would you decide what Jupiter is going to do? Mercury is

going to teach him the spiritual way and in exaltation in third from AL gives

pravrajya in the positive sense and defeat in the battle of sansara in the

material sense. His differences with B V Raman started in Mercury dasa. The end

result was a forgone conclusion as during the dasa of a natural benefic (subha,

good) planet exalted in the 3rd or 6th from AL, it is foolish to fight with

anyone as the native is surely defeated.

 

With best wishes,

Sanjay Rath

------------------------

H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

+91-674-2436871;

Webpages:http://srath.com http://.org

------------------

----

 

Dear sanjay,I agree with you.My understanding is that Natal chart being karmic

position at birth,it shows the KARMIC side --- that is a house in the chart

will show things from a karmic angle,the matters of that house.Whereas the

arudha pada of that house will show it from the EVENT angle.Perceptions differ

to such an extent that the same event can cause either joy or suffering.For

example:- Death of a spouse.Externally it may be seen that the person is

mourning but the person may actually be rejoicing!If rejoicing is the case,it

could be the result of good past karma.So it is basically KARMIC ANGLE V/S

EVENT ANGLE.Am I right?Best regards,vivek.On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 Sanjay Rath wrote

:>>>~OM~>Dear Vivek>I remember a famous quote>"Cowards die many times but the

brave taste of death but >once"...so you will>agree that the perception of

death (mrityu) or near death >(apa-mrityu) will>vary from one chart to another.

So even in death, perception and >reality>differ.>For how many years have we

speculated whether the great Subhash >Chandra Bose>is actually dead? For how

many years do we wonder on how >Chaitanya>Mahaprabhu left this world. He just

walked into the idol of >Jagannath!! can>you perceive or imagine this.>Even in

death, an event, perceptions differ. When someone dies, >most lament,>some

enemies delight, and most don't care. The reality is the >same for all>yet the

perception is different.>This is not an easy topic and most people avoid it.

But it is >worth thinking>as no one can give a perfect answer...after all who

knows Satya >or the>perfect truth, what we all understand is half truths.>With

best wishes,>Sanjay

Rath>------------------------>H-5 B.J.B Nagar,

Bhubaneswar 751014, India>+91-674-2436871;>Webpages:http://srath.com

http://.org>------------------>-------Original

Message------->> gjlist>Sunday, April 20, 2003

12:15:41 PM>gjlist>Re: Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha

lagna/s/>>Hello Robert and Anna,>Perception and reality cannot be different in

some cases.Length >of>life for example.>I wish I could get an exact definition

of AL.>I recollect a statement I saw while searching on the net for>Arudha

lagna:- "When ketu transits the trines of arudha >lagna,he>gives

moksha-gati">So what is the significance of the trines of AL?>>On Sun, 20 Apr

2003 N. wrote :> >Dear Robert,> >> >I understand your questions- I have lots of

them, too: re ALs >and> >D charts, length of year /360 vs. 365/, numerous Dasa

>systems,> >let alone various ayanamsas, etc.> >As you know there is no answer

to these questions. Lots of> >Jyotish concepts, from various schools, and from

'integrative> >approach' of SJC as well /that you also represent/, or due to>

>the fact that it is 'eclectic' in nature even more so, do not> >provide firm

theoretical frame. And in most jyotish concepts >we> >depend on /justified/

trust in Parashara and Jaimini- even if >we> >are unable to formulate 'logical'

explanation /at least at >the> >moment, at least in theory/ for some of their

statements.> >> >So, why do you think that I am supposed to provide

>theoretical> >framework for Arudha Lagnas - or any other- concept /in this>

>particular case/ when, as far as I know, neither you nor >others,> >who use

them, haven't done so far? In fact in my attempt to> >explain ALs to Vivek I

did make some guesses, as they appeared >to> >me. How long/if I will use them

in the future, depends on >results> >I'd have with them. You obviously use

them, and that means >that> >you've found them 'workable'- I've seen your and

Narsimha> >discussion on predicting the death from AL analysis- so you> >should

be better able to give the answer to the question >bellow-> >if it's not only

rhetorical, as, sorry Robert, it appears to> >me.> >> >Plese read my post

again- and you'll find an attempt to >formulate> >what ALs stand for, and

therefore meaning of 'real' 'reality'> >truth' are more descriptive that

defining- Failure to notice >that> >leads to argument for the sake of argument,

and is not worth> >attention/time.> >If you have better explanation, we all

would benefit from >your> >sharing, and I would appreciate that very much,

too.> >> >In other words, I am itching to hear from you 'how real is >real'>

>and get well rounded definition of ALs- that would contribute >to> >our

knowledge a lot.> >> >Thanks,> >Anna> >> >> > > >>

>> > Robert A. Koch> > gjlist> > Saturday,

April 19, 2003 9:08 PM> > Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/> >> >> >

Dear Ann and Vivek,> >> > Interesting discussion re: Arudha lagna. May I pose a>

>question here? Anna, you state that the lagna and AL both >stand> >for real

things, and your position re: AL in that regard is> >well-taken. Accepting

this, then, the next most logical >question> >would be:> >> > 1. The karaka for

the lagna (i.e. truth/reality) is the Sun.> >There are no controversies here.> >

2. If that is the case, then what would be the karaka for> >the Arudha lagna if,

as you say, it also stands for >truth/reality> >(in your opinion)?> >> >> > Best

wishes,> > Robert> >> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > Robert A. Koch,

Vedic Astrologer> > Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA> > visit

<http://www.robertkoch.com> and,> > http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or> > Ph:

541.318.0248> >> >> >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat

Sat> > :> >gjlist-> >

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Dear Sanjay

Thanks for the clarification .From the people who I know who have met Sri Rao

they have all commented about his spirituality and that he is a woshipper of

Visnu .

With Best Wishes

Nicholas

 

-

Sanjay Rath

gjlist

Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:21 PM

Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/ Sanjay clarification

 

 

Om Sri Gurave namah

Dear Nicholas

With Mercury exalted in the third from Arudha Lagna, he has become very

spiritual I hear. Some tols that he listens to Vishnu sahasranama everyday

...proves the point about spirituality with exalted benefic in the third or

sixth from AL.

Manoj, I did not know about the ayanamsa issue. Perhaps people had been coloring

me with different stories. If that is the point, then let me make it clear that

even I don't follow it and have never agreed with that weird ayanamsa. It's way

off the mark. What I was told was something about books and course materials.

Anyway numbers don't count in deciding and as far as the world stage is

concerned, Dr Raman still holds the sway. So in material (sansara terms) it is

a different story, although I wonder if Jupiter antardasa has started for K N

Rao as this is what I am waiting to see and judge the results of Jupiter. Prima

facie, I think Guru will give the results of Pisces as this is the sign it

aspects...remember my quote about Chandra Kala nadi.

With best regards,

Sanjay Rath

H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

Webpages: http://srath.com

----

 

 

Dear Sanjay

I thought K N Rao became the most famous vedic astrologer in the world when

Professor Raman's health declined .

Nicholas

 

-

Sanjay Rath

gjlist

Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:00 PM

Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/

 

 

~OM~

Dear Vivek,

 

Karma really cannot be dissociated with the events in such a manner, but prima

facie, you are right in your thinking. I will give an illustration of my point.

Take the sixth house: Natural good (what people call benefic, but actually Subha

like Jupiter, Ketu, Vemus, Mercury and Moon) planets placed there indicate one

who shall be freed from the troubles of the sixth house by the deity indicated

by the planet. All 'Agantuka drista' roga/satru shall vanish at the smile of

such a strong and good planet.

However, an exactly similar situation occuring from AL is the most terrible. If

the planet in the sixth from AL or its lord is a natural benefic and is strong,

then the native is tormented by enemies.

Here, both the situations are karmic as they indicate the manifestation of karma

but the analysis of the result is exactly the opposite.

 

Another example: Chandra kala nadi says that for Libra lagna native, the great

blessing is the strength of exalted Jupiter as the enemies will flee like

elephants running from a battlefield. Now, if Libra is the Arudha Lagna, then

the exactly opposite situation would arise if the sixth lord were exalted. This

may seem easy to understand, but in application, this is the key to Raj-jyotish.

 

 

Take the chart of K N Rao for example. He has Libra Lagna with Venus in it and

Jupiter in the 10th house in exaltation and Mercury in the 12th house in

exaltation. From the Lagna, the sixth lord Jupiter is exalted and this may seem

fantastic, but look at it from Arudha Lagna. The AL is in Cancer with the sixth

lord Jupiter in exaltation. Thus, Jupiter has the power to destroy all enemies

(as lord of Pisces) or to destroy him and promote enemies (as lord of

Sagittarius)....how would you decide what Jupiter is going to do? Mercury is

going to teach him the spiritual way and in exaltation in third from AL gives

pravrajya in the positive sense and defeat in the battle of sansara in the

material sense. His differences with B V Raman started in Mercury dasa. The end

result was a forgone conclusion as during the dasa of a natural benefic (subha,

good) planet exalted in the 3rd or 6th from AL, it is foolish to fight with

anyone as the native is surely defeated.

 

With best wishes,

Sanjay Rath

------------------------

H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

+91-674-2436871;

Webpages:http://srath.com http://.org

------------------

----

 

Dear sanjay,I agree with you.My understanding is that Natal chart being karmic

position at birth,it shows the KARMIC side --- that is a house in the chart

will show things from a karmic angle,the matters of that house.Whereas the

arudha pada of that house will show it from the EVENT angle.Perceptions differ

to such an extent that the same event can cause either joy or suffering.For

example:- Death of a spouse.Externally it may be seen that the person is

mourning but the person may actually be rejoicing!If rejoicing is the case,it

could be the result of good past karma.So it is basically KARMIC ANGLE V/S

EVENT ANGLE.Am I right?Best regards,vivek.On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 Sanjay Rath wrote

:>>>~OM~>Dear Vivek>I remember a famous quote>"Cowards die many times but the

brave taste of death but >once"...so you will>agree that the perception of

death (mrityu) or near death >(apa-mrityu) will>vary from one chart to another.

So even in death, perception and >reality>differ.>For how many years have we

speculated whether the great Subhash >Chandra Bose>is actually dead? For how

many years do we wonder on how >Chaitanya>Mahaprabhu left this world. He just

walked into the idol of >Jagannath!! can>you perceive or imagine this.>Even in

death, an event, perceptions differ. When someone dies, >most lament,>some

enemies delight, and most don't care. The reality is the >same for all>yet the

perception is different.>This is not an easy topic and most people avoid it.

But it is >worth thinking>as no one can give a perfect answer...after all who

knows Satya >or the>perfect truth, what we all understand is half truths.>With

best wishes,>Sanjay

Rath>------------------------>H-5 B.J.B Nagar,

Bhubaneswar 751014, India>+91-674-2436871;>Webpages:http://srath.com

http://.org>------------------>-------Original

Message------->> gjlist>Sunday, April 20, 2003

12:15:41 PM>gjlist>Re: Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha

lagna/s/>>Hello Robert and Anna,>Perception and reality cannot be different in

some cases.Length >of>life for example.>I wish I could get an exact definition

of AL.>I recollect a statement I saw while searching on the net for>Arudha

lagna:- "When ketu transits the trines of arudha >lagna,he>gives

moksha-gati">So what is the significance of the trines of AL?>>On Sun, 20 Apr

2003 N. wrote :> >Dear Robert,> >> >I understand your questions- I have lots of

them, too: re ALs >and> >D charts, length of year /360 vs. 365/, numerous Dasa

>systems,> >let alone various ayanamsas, etc.> >As you know there is no answer

to these questions. Lots of> >Jyotish concepts, from various schools, and from

'integrative> >approach' of SJC as well /that you also represent/, or due to>

>the fact that it is 'eclectic' in nature even more so, do not> >provide firm

theoretical frame. And in most jyotish concepts >we> >depend on /justified/

trust in Parashara and Jaimini- even if >we> >are unable to formulate 'logical'

explanation /at least at >the> >moment, at least in theory/ for some of their

statements.> >> >So, why do you think that I am supposed to provide

>theoretical> >framework for Arudha Lagnas - or any other- concept /in this>

>particular case/ when, as far as I know, neither you nor >others,> >who use

them, haven't done so far? In fact in my attempt to> >explain ALs to Vivek I

did make some guesses, as they appeared >to> >me. How long/if I will use them

in the future, depends on >results> >I'd have with them. You obviously use

them, and that means >that> >you've found them 'workable'- I've seen your and

Narsimha> >discussion on predicting the death from AL analysis- so you> >should

be better able to give the answer to the question >bellow-> >if it's not only

rhetorical, as, sorry Robert, it appears to> >me.> >> >Plese read my post

again- and you'll find an attempt to >formulate> >what ALs stand for, and

therefore meaning of 'real' 'reality'> >truth' are more descriptive that

defining- Failure to notice >that> >leads to argument for the sake of argument,

and is not worth> >attention/time.> >If you have better explanation, we all

would benefit from >your> >sharing, and I would appreciate that very much,

too.> >> >In other words, I am itching to hear from you 'how real is >real'>

>and get well rounded definition of ALs- that would contribute >to> >our

knowledge a lot.> >> >Thanks,> >Anna> >> >> > > >>

>> > Robert A. Koch> > gjlist> > Saturday,

April 19, 2003 9:08 PM> > Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/> >> >> >

Dear Ann and Vivek,> >> > Interesting discussion re: Arudha lagna. May I pose a>

>question here? Anna, you state that the lagna and AL both >stand> >for real

things, and your position re: AL in that regard is> >well-taken. Accepting

this, then, the next most logical >question> >would be:> >> > 1. The karaka for

the lagna (i.e. truth/reality) is the Sun.> >There are no controversies here.> >

2. If that is the case, then what would be the karaka for> >the Arudha lagna if,

as you say, it also stands for >truth/reality> >(in your opinion)?> >> >> > Best

wishes,> > Robert> >> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > Robert A. Koch,

Vedic Astrologer> > Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA> > visit

<http://www.robertkoch.com> and,> > http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or> > Ph:

541.318.0248> >> >> >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat

Sat> > :> >gjlist-> >

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Dear Sanjayji and list members,

 

Are you or anyone aware of the reason why Dr. B.V. Raman chose or

used this ayanamsa he is called Ramans or which is about 1 degree and

some mins less than Lahiri ?

 

There must have been some reason for such a great scholar to have

used this or come up with this. From what I am aware Dr. came up

with this ayansma after lots of years of research.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

gjlist, "Sanjay Rath" <daivagyna@s...> wrote:

>

>

> Om Sri Gurave namah

> Dear Nicholas

> With Mercury exalted in the third from Arudha Lagna, he has become

very

> spiritual I hear. Some tols that he listens to Vishnu sahasranama

everyday .

> proves the point about spirituality with exalted benefic in the

third or

> sixth from AL.

> Manoj, I did not know about the ayanamsa issue. Perhaps people had

been

> coloring me with different stories. If that is the point, then let

me make

> it clear that even I don't follow it and have never agreed with

that weird

> ayanamsa. It's way off the mark. What I was told was something

about books

> and course materials. Anyway numbers don't count in deciding and as

far as

> the world stage is concerned, Dr Raman still holds the sway. So in

material

> (sansara terms) it is a different story, although I wonder if

Jupiter

> antardasa has started for K N Rao as this is what I am waiting to

see and

> judge the results of Jupiter. Prima facie, I think Guru will give

the

> results of Pisces as this is the sign it aspects...remember my

quote about

> Chandra Kala nadi.

> With best regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

> Webpages: http://srath.com

> ----

>

> gjlist

> Wednesday, April 23, 2003 12:14:55 PM

> gjlist

> [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/ Sanjay clarification

>

> Dear Sanjay

> I thought K N Rao became the most famous vedic astrologer in the

world when

> Professor Raman's health declined .

> Nicholas

>

> -

> Sanjay Rath

> gjlist

> Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:00 PM

> Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/

>

>

>

>

> ~OM~

> Dear Vivek,

>

> Karma really cannot be dissociated with the events in such a

manner, but

> prima facie, you are right in your thinking. I will give an

illustration of

> my point.

> Take the sixth house: Natural good (what people call benefic, but

actually

> Subha like Jupiter, Ketu, Vemus, Mercury and Moon) planets placed

there

> indicate one who shall be freed from the troubles of the sixth

house by the

> deity indicated by the planet. All 'Agantuka drista' roga/satru

shall vanish

> at the smile of such a strong and good planet.

> However, an exactly similar situation occuring from AL is the most

terrible.

> If the planet in the sixth from AL or its lord is a natural benefic

and is

> strong, then the native is tormented by enemies.

> Here, both the situations are karmic as they indicate the

manifestation of

> karma but the analysis of the result is exactly the opposite.

>

> Another example: Chandra kala nadi says that for Libra lagna

native, the

> great blessing is the strength of exalted Jupiter as the enemies

will flee

> like elephants running from a battlefield. Now, if Libra is the

Arudha Lagna

> then the exactly opposite situation would arise if the sixth lord

were

> exalted. This may seem easy to understand, but in application, this

is the

> key to Raj-jyotish.

>

> Take the chart of K N Rao for example. He has Libra Lagna with

Venus in it

> and Jupiter in the 10th house in exaltation and Mercury in the 12th

house in

> exaltation. From the Lagna, the sixth lord Jupiter is exalted and

this may

> seem fantastic, but look at it from Arudha Lagna. The AL is in

Cancer with

> the sixth lord Jupiter in exaltation. Thus, Jupiter has the power

to destroy

> all enemies (as lord of Pisces) or to destroy him and promote

enemies (as

> lord of Sagittarius)....how would you decide what Jupiter is going

to do?

> Mercury is going to teach him the spiritual way and in exaltation

in third

> from AL gives pravrajya in the positive sense and defeat in the

battle of

> sansara in the material sense. His differences with B V Raman

started in

> Mercury dasa. The end result was a forgone conclusion as during the

dasa of

> a natural benefic (subha, good) planet exalted in the 3rd or 6th

from AL, it

> is foolish to fight with anyone as the native is surely defeated.

>

> With best wishes,

> Sanjay Rath

> ------------------------

> H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

> +91-674-2436871;

> Webpages:http://srath.com http://.org

> ------------------

> ----

>

> gjlist

> Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:48:23 PM

> gjlist

> Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/

>

> Dear sanjay,

> I agree with you.

> My understanding is that Natal chart being karmic position at

> birth,it shows the KARMIC side --- that is a house in the chart

> will show things from a karmic angle,the matters of that house.

> Whereas the arudha pada of that house will show it from the EVENT

> angle.

> Perceptions differ to such an extent that the same event can cause

> either joy or suffering.

> For example:- Death of a spouse.Externally it may be seen that the

> person is mourning but the person may actually be rejoicing!

> If rejoicing is the case,it could be the result of good past

> karma.

> So it is basically KARMIC ANGLE V/S EVENT ANGLE.

> Am I right?

> Best regards,

> vivek.

>

> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 Sanjay Rath wrote :

> >

> >

> >~OM~

> >Dear Vivek

> >I remember a famous quote

> >"Cowards die many times but the brave taste of death but

> >once"...so you will

> >agree that the perception of death (mrityu) or near death

> >(apa-mrityu) will

> >vary from one chart to another. So even in death, perception and

> >reality

> >differ.

> >For how many years have we speculated whether the great Subhash

> >Chandra Bose

> >is actually dead? For how many years do we wonder on how

> >Chaitanya

> >Mahaprabhu left this world. He just walked into the idol of

> >Jagannath!! can

> >you perceive or imagine this.

> >Even in death, an event, perceptions differ. When someone dies,

> >most lament,

> >some enemies delight, and most don't care. The reality is the

> >same for all

> >yet the perception is different.

> >This is not an easy topic and most people avoid it. But it is

> >worth thinking

> >as no one can give a perfect answer...after all who knows Satya

> >or the

> >perfect truth, what we all understand is half truths.

> >With best wishes,

> >Sanjay Rath

> >------------------------

> >H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

> >+91-674-2436871;

> >Webpages:http://srath.com http://.org

> >------------------

> >----

> >

> > gjlist

> >Sunday, April 20, 2003 12:15:41 PM

> >gjlist

> >Re: Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/

> >

> >Hello Robert and Anna,

> >Perception and reality cannot be different in some cases.Length

> >of

> >life for example.

> >I wish I could get an exact definition of AL.

> >I recollect a statement I saw while searching on the net for

> >Arudha lagna:- "When ketu transits the trines of arudha

> >lagna,he

> >gives moksha-gati"

> >So what is the significance of the trines of AL?

> >

> >On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 N. wrote :

> > >Dear Robert,

> > >

> > >I understand your questions- I have lots of them, too: re ALs

> >and

> > >D charts, length of year /360 vs. 365/, numerous Dasa

> >systems,

> > >let alone various ayanamsas, etc.

> > >As you know there is no answer to these questions. Lots of

> > >Jyotish concepts, from various schools, and from 'integrative

> > >approach' of SJC as well /that you also represent/, or due to

> > >the fact that it is 'eclectic' in nature even more so, do not

> > >provide firm theoretical frame. And in most jyotish concepts

> >we

> > >depend on /justified/ trust in Parashara and Jaimini- even if

> >we

> > >are unable to formulate 'logical' explanation /at least at

> >the

> > >moment, at least in theory/ for some of their statements.

> > >

> > >So, why do you think that I am supposed to provide

> >theoretical

> > >framework for Arudha Lagnas - or any other- concept /in this

> > >particular case/ when, as far as I know, neither you nor

> >others,

> > >who use them, haven't done so far? In fact in my attempt to

> > >explain ALs to Vivek I did make some guesses, as they appeared

> >to

> > >me. How long/if I will use them in the future, depends on

> >results

> > >I'd have with them. You obviously use them, and that means

> >that

> > >you've found them 'workable'- I've seen your and Narsimha

> > >discussion on predicting the death from AL analysis- so you

> > >should be better able to give the answer to the question

> >bellow-

> > >if it's not only rhetorical, as, sorry Robert, it appears to

> > >me.

> > >

> > >Plese read my post again- and you'll find an attempt to

> >formulate

> > >what ALs stand for, and therefore meaning of 'real' 'reality'

> > >truth' are more descriptive that defining- Failure to notice

> >that

> > >leads to argument for the sake of argument, and is not worth

> > >attention/time.

> > >If you have better explanation, we all would benefit from

> >your

> > >sharing, and I would appreciate that very much, too.

> > >

> > >In other words, I am itching to hear from you 'how real is

> >real'

> > >and get well rounded definition of ALs- that would contribute

> >to

> > >our knowledge a lot.

> > >

> > >Thanks,

> > >Anna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Robert A. Koch

> > > gjlist

> > > Saturday, April 19, 2003 9:08 PM

> > > Re: [GJ] purpose of arudha lagna/s/

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Ann and Vivek,

> > >

> > > Interesting discussion re: Arudha lagna. May I pose a

> > >question here? Anna, you state that the lagna and AL both

> >stand

> > >for real things, and your position re: AL in that regard is

> > >well-taken. Accepting this, then, the next most logical

> >question

> > >would be:

> > >

> > > 1. The karaka for the lagna (i.e. truth/reality) is the Sun.

> > >There are no controversies here.

> > > 2. If that is the case, then what would be the karaka for

> > >the Arudha lagna if, as you say, it also stands for

> >truth/reality

> > >(in your opinion)?

> > >

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Robert

> > >

> > >

> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> > > Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

> > > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

> > > http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

> > > Ph: 541.318.0248

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > > :

> > >gjlist-

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > >Service.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> >:

> >gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> >Your use of is subject to

> >

> >

> >

> >.

>

>

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

 

>

>

> .

>

>

>

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

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>

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> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay,

 

I never thought an erudite astrologer like you should

depend on hear-say. And it seems you also need to

update your data, because his Mercury-Jupiter is

already over.

 

Is Dr. B.V. Raman more popular than Shri K.N. Rao or

vice-versa is what astrology knowing people of this

world will decide. Dr. B.V. Raman is no more. So no

comments on him.

 

About Mercury in the third from Aruda lagna, or the

dicta of Chandra Kala Nadi, that has already failed

because his Mercury-Jupiter is already over. And you

know it very well that I dont calculate Arudas as you

do. For me his Aruda lagna is Libra and with Exalted

12th Lord Mercury, he has undertaken a number of

foreign travels.

 

About Spirituality and reciting Vishnu-Sahastranaam.

He has been doing it for a long time, a little after

his birth and was even doing it regularly and advising

others to do it when you went to consult/discuss your

horoscope with Shri K.N. Rao at his house. And as far

as I gather he has been doing it before you and me

were even born.

 

I think, we are not in a position to pass judgements

on others. Lets confine to the work what one is doing

rather than commenting on the work of others. The work

done by anyone speaks for itself. And knowledgeables

always recognise the worth of worthy.

 

You are at present passing through Mercury-Venus.

Mercury-Sun is to follow. Manage your affairs well.

The involvement of sixth house is already very strong

and is getting stronger in Mercury-Sun. This is a

brotherly advise I can give you, provided you feel it

is worth taking. Otherwise a great astrologer like you

must have seen it already.

 

Best regards and best wishes,

 

Manoj

 

PS : And why did you shift to Bhuvneshwar. Long time

no interaction so have no clue about your shifting

from Delhi. Have not talked also for a long time with

you.

 

 

 

 

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