Re:Mars-Jupiter Aspect-Grand Cross, T-square, etc.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sateesh (Trish and Anna),

 

I realize it may be past cognitive hours in the waking state in UK,

but yes, Trish and Anna have provided me the clarification I am

seeking.

 

And I had a general understanding of the "functional

malefic/benefic," (not the term "MT") but can "see" it much better

in your explanation.

 

One last question, I think on this, for all of you: would the Jupiter

dasa (in October) be "less than auspicious" for a Cancer lagna

(me) with NT Jupiter in H-3, based on your explanation(s) below

(realizing you cannot give a comprehensive answer without the

full chart, but a general answer will do).

 

RE: the functional (malefic) nature of Jupiter in H-6 and H-8, it

"feels better" that Mars is out of H-6 (and no longer opposing

Saturn) and into H-7 now, although I have some "apprehension"

that Mars will spend from June-December (because of the

retrograde) in H-8 (for a Cancer lagna, and this will oppose NT

Mars). Is this justified?

 

Anyhow, with the Leo Gibbous Moon tomorrow, I am certainly

"feeling" the dynamic tension of the approaching Full Moon

Grand Cross. I'm viewing all of this as potentially positive, but

with such a crowded 1st house, I think it's all (Mars-Jupiter)

somewhat combustible, so I need to rest more I think, for this

period of time.

 

Thanks to all of you for your generous sharing.

 

Satyam Shivam Sundaram

 

Janna

 

http://seven_directions.tripod.com

 

 

gjlist, "Sateesh Batas" <makara@n...>

wrote:

> Dear Janna,

>

> I see that Trish and Anna have superbly explained the

answers.

>

> As Trish alluded to, Jupiter is "functionally" somewhat malefic

for your Ascendant (Cancer) as its MT sign (Sagittarius) is in the

6th - whereas Mars is a planet Par Excellence ruling a Kendra

and a Trine (so Yogakaraka) - so for each Ascendant, one must

take into account the Functional nature of Jupiter and Mars - i.e.

are they good or bad lords.

>

> As Vedic Astrology as I use it does not give 90* aspects to ALL

planets (only to Mars as its 4th aspect, and Saturn as its 10th

aspect), this I think is where the Apples and Oranges mixture is -

not to say that all planets DON'T have 90* aspects - just they are

not used "across the solar system" as they are in Western.

>

> I have a similar "grand, erm...something" going on from May

08th - TR Jupiter at 16* Cancer will oppose TR Mars at 16*

Capricorn - they will both be hit/hitting Natal Jupiter-Mars in

Capricorn at 15* and 20* respectively.

>

> So 4 lots of Jupiter-Mars going on there!

>

> Sateesh.

>

> ========

>

>

> -

> "Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn>

> <gjlist>

> Saturday, April 12, 2003 6:30 PM

> [GJ] Re:Mars-Jupiter Aspect-Grand Cross, T-square,

etc.

>

>

> : What do you mean by " the Functional impact for each

Lagna?"

>

>

>

>

> ---

> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.

> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

> Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date:

10/04/2003

[Guest guest]

Dear Janna,

 

 

-

"Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn >

<gjlist>

Saturday, April 12, 2003 9:41 PM

[GJ] Re:Mars-Jupiter Aspect-Grand Cross, T-square, etc.

 

 

Would the Jupiter dasa (in October) be "less than auspicious" for a Cancer

lagna (me) with NT Jupiter in H-3

 

 

DEPENDS ON WHETHER NATAL JUPITER AFFLICTS ANYTHING IN THE 6TH OR FROM THE 6TH

(VIA ITS 5TH/7TH/9TH ASPECTS).

 

: RE: the functional (malefic) nature of Jupiter in H-6 and H-8, it "feels

better" that Mars is out of H-6 (and no longer opposing : Saturn) and into H-7

now, although I have some "apprehension" that Mars will spend from

June-December (because of the : retrograde) in H-8 (for a Cancer lagna, and

this will oppose NT Mars). Is this justified?

 

 

MARS IS YK FOR YOU - IT IS INHERENTLY MORE BENEFIC THAN MALEFIC. IT WILL NOT

HARM NT MARS OR VICE VERSA. ITS TRANSIT THROUGH THE 8TH THOUGH IS NOT TOO GOOD

FOR MARS/10TH ISSUES FOR 6 MONTHS.

Sateesh.

 

---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system

(http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date:

10/04/2003

[Guest guest]

Sorry - should read in the THIRD or from the THIRD.

 

>>DEPENDS ON WHETHER NATAL JUPITER AFFLICTS ANYTHING IN THE 6TH OR FROM THE 6TH

(VIA ITS 5TH/7TH/9TH ASPECTS).<<

 

 

 

- Sateesh Batas

gjlist

Saturday, April 12, 2003 11:05 PM

Re: [GJ] Re:Mars-Jupiter Aspect-Grand Cross, T-square, etc.

Dear Janna,

 

 

-

"Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn >

<gjlist>

Saturday, April 12, 2003 9:41 PM

[GJ] Re:Mars-Jupiter Aspect-Grand Cross, T-square, etc.

 

 

Would the Jupiter dasa (in October) be "less than auspicious" for a Cancer

lagna (me) with NT Jupiter in H-3

 

 

DEPENDS ON WHETHER NATAL JUPITER AFFLICTS ANYTHING IN THE 6TH OR FROM THE 6TH

(VIA ITS 5TH/7TH/9TH ASPECTS).

 

: RE: the functional (malefic) nature of Jupiter in H-6 and H-8, it "feels

better" that Mars is out of H-6 (and no longer opposing : Saturn) and into H-7

now, although I have some "apprehension" that Mars will spend from

June-December (because of the : retrograde) in H-8 (for a Cancer lagna, and

this will oppose NT Mars). Is this justified?

 

 

MARS IS YK FOR YOU - IT IS INHERENTLY MORE BENEFIC THAN MALEFIC. IT WILL NOT

HARM NT MARS OR VICE VERSA. ITS TRANSIT THROUGH THE 8TH THOUGH IS NOT TOO GOOD

FOR MARS/10TH ISSUES FOR 6 MONTHS.

 

 

---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system

(http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date:

10/04/2003

[Guest guest]

Dear Sateesh, Janna, Trish,

 

I tried not to repeat what you and Trish said in your posts- but being Cancer

Lagna myself, feel compelled to confirm what you said- and SA approach stand

on this- that Jupiter is /mild?/ malefic -

Traditionally it's cosidered great benefic for Cn Lagna-

 

I've lived through couple of Jupiter ret.'s, and tr. over Asc has never been

quite pleasant-healthwise in particular- as soon as it moves to second house,

it's benefic nature becomes evident /my NT Jup is well placed in 9th/-

one more important thing I 'tested' /important in assessing effects of any

transit, and Jupiter tr. as well, all other things being equal, of course/

is number of bindus in the house /ashtakavarga/- in houses with high bindus

points it's transit is the most beneficial- except for the first /good bindus

points in my case exclude this factor/

 

For Mars, yogakaraka for Cn lagna- I would be careful whenever mars makes aspect

with my NT Moon- it tends to be upsetting- / my NT Moon is semi-square NT Mars/

Mars is Mars, even if yK, I'd say

 

Jupiters-mars c. are always good /sometimes too much so- and thus 'dangerous/

 

As for your Jupiter MD Janna, I'd expect functional-benefic effects /extent

depending on NT factors/

 

Anna

-

Sateesh Batas

 

Saturday, April 12, 2003 2:25 PM

Re: [GJ] Re:Mars-Jupiter Aspect-Grand Cross, T-square, etc.

Dear Janna,

 

I see that Trish and Anna have superbly explained the answers.

 

As Trish alluded to, Jupiter is "functionally" somewhat malefic for your

Ascendant (Cancer) as its MT sign (Sagittarius) is in the 6th - whereas Mars is

a planet Par Excellence ruling a Kendra and a Trine (so Yogakaraka) - so for

each Ascendant, one must take into account the Functional nature of Jupiter and

Mars - i.e. are they good or bad lords.

 

As Vedic Astrology as I use it does not give 90* aspects to ALL planets (only to

Mars as its 4th aspect, and Saturn as its 10th aspect), this I think is where

the Apples and Oranges mixture is - not to say that all planets DON'T have 90*

aspects - just they are not used "across the solar system" as they are in

Western.

 

I have a similar "grand, erm...something" going on from May 08th - TR Jupiter at

16* Cancer will oppose TR Mars at 16* Capricorn - they will both be hit/hitting

Natal Jupiter-Mars in Capricorn at 15* and 20* respectively.

 

So 4 lots of Jupiter-Mars going on there!

 

Sateesh.

 

========

 

 

-

"Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn >

<gjlist>

Saturday, April 12, 2003 6:30 PM

[GJ] Re:Mars-Jupiter Aspect—Grand Cross, T-square, etc.

: What do you mean by " the Functional impact for each Lagna?"

 

 

---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system

(http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date:

10/04/2003Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo ,

send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use

of is subject to the

[Guest guest]

Dear Anna,

 

Yes, under S.A. Jupiter is considered Malefic as it's MT sign Sagittarius is in

the 6th House for Cancers. However, the 6th I feel is quite mild as a Malefic

house, compared to the 8th and 12th Houses.

 

In addition, although Jupiter's MT is in the 6th, it's Non-MT Pisces is in the

best house of the chart, viz. the 9th (a trine) - as we know, Jupiter has

special affection for the 9th House.

 

So given that, I feel Jupiter is "mostly (but not wholly) malefic" for Cancers.

 

A similar example is Saturn for Virgos, which rules their 6th (MT) and 5th (trine as non-mt) houses.

 

Sateesh.

 

========

 

- N.

gjlist

Sunday, April 13, 2003 12:13 AM

Re: [GJ] Re:Mars-Jupiter Aspect-Grand Cross, T-square, etc.

Dear Sateesh, Janna, Trish,

 

I tried not to repeat what you and Trish said in your posts- but being Cancer

Lagna myself, feel compelled to confirm what you said- and SA approach stand

on this- that Jupiter is /mild?/ malefic -

Traditionally it's cosidered great benefic for Cn Lagna-

 

 

---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system

(http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date:

11/04/2003

[Guest guest]

Excellent summary-

totally agree

Anna

-

Sateesh Batas

GJ List

Saturday, April 12, 2003 7:18 PM

Re: [GJ] Re:Mars-Jupiter Aspect-Grand Cross, T-square, etc.

Dear Anna,

 

Yes, under S.A. Jupiter is considered Malefic as it's MT sign Sagittarius is in

the 6th House for Cancers. However, the 6th I feel is quite mild as a Malefic

house, compared to the 8th and 12th Houses.

 

In addition, although Jupiter's MT is in the 6th, it's Non-MT Pisces is in the

best house of the chart, viz. the 9th (a trine) - as we know, Jupiter has

special affection for the 9th House.

 

So given that, I feel Jupiter is "mostly (but not wholly) malefic" for Cancers.

 

A similar example is Saturn for Virgos, which rules their 6th (MT) and 5th (trine as non-mt) houses.

 

Sateesh.

 

========

 

- N.

gjlist

Sunday, April 13, 2003 12:13 AM

Re: [GJ] Re:Mars-Jupiter Aspect-Grand Cross, T-square, etc.

Dear Sateesh, Janna, Trish,

 

I tried not to repeat what you and Trish said in your posts- but being Cancer

Lagna myself, feel compelled to confirm what you said- and SA approach stand

on this- that Jupiter is /mild?/ malefic -

Traditionally it's cosidered great benefic for Cn Lagna-

 

 

---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system

(http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date:

11/04/2003Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo ,

send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use

of is subject to the