Re:Mars in Capricorn & April 16 Libra Full Moon

[Guest guest]

April 12, 2003

 

Dear Sateesh, Cynthia, and other group members.

 

I have some general questions about Mars entry into

Capricorn (today)opposing Jupiter in Cancer, for

everyone, and how this impacts me (and others

generally), with the Full Moon in Libra April 16,

which opposes my natal Aries Moon, squares Mars in

Capricorn, which in turn squares natal Aries Moon,

with Mars in Capricorn opposing Cancer Sun, Saturn,

Mercury, and Pluto (Cancer lagna), forming a Grand

Square, taking into consideration both natal and TR

planets.

 

My questions are:

 

1) Could someone comment on the impact in general of

Mars in Capricorn opposing Jupiter in Cancer?

 

2)The impact in general of the Libra Full Moon

squaring Mars in Capricorn and squaring Jupiter in

Cancer, with the Mars-Jupiter opposition?

 

3) Am I mixing apples and oranges by taking into

consideration both TR and NT planets to form a Grand

Square, or is this valid? If so, what is the impact of

the above "dynamic planetary tension" in my chart? For

me, the Grand Square would be H-1, H-4, H-7, and H-10.

(H-1 Sun, Saturn, Mercury, Pluto; H-4 TR Libra Moon;

H-7 TR Mars in Capricorn; H-10 Aries Moon).How would

this play out in dealing with the planetary tension in

a positive way (i.e., turning the squares into two

trines)?

 

Satyam Shivam Sundaram

 

Janna

 

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I'm usually a lurker on the list but thought I would throw my two cents in. I

have a fair amount of experience in Western and more limited understanding of

jyotish, and have always had a keen interest in the formations you asked about.

Mars in Cap/Jupiter in Cancer: In general terms, both are exalted, they are

friends and in mutual aspect. In Western this might be viewed as an energizing

or even "lucky" aspect (there was some type of Mars/Jupiter aspect going on in

OJ's chart when he was acquitted); however, it is worth noting that this

opposition/mutual aspect is by sign only at this point as there is a large

separation by degree (orb) right now. Mars and Jupiter will not be exactly

opposite one another until May 8th. With respect to your chart, look at the

functional status of Mars (yogakaraka) and Jupiter (ruler of 6th and 9th so

somewhat mixed) and where each is transiting precisely relative to your first

house planets (quite a mixture, there) or 10th house moon. Whichever of your

planets is aspected most closely by Mars or Jupiter (up to about a 3 degree

orb) would be the ones to watch first, in my mind.

Don't forget that the full moon means that the Sun (exalted right now) is also a

player in your 10th -- exactly opposite the transiting Full Moon. By degree,

there is an almost exact T-square among transiting Sun/Moon/Mars, with the

"empty space" or "outlet" (the exact point that would make for a Grand Cross

were it inhabited by a transiting planet) placed over your lagna. (My

understanding of T-squares is that they represent particular challenges or

stresses and that the unoccupied kendra can become the focus or outlet for that

activity or pressure -- with the nature of the issue depending on the nature of

the planets and houses involved.) While transiting Jupiter could be considered

as filling that void somewhat as it participates in a Grand Cross by SIGN, from

a Western perspective Jupiter would be considered out of orb due to its degree

placement, so that there is still a T-square effect to some extent. Another

major factor to consider is how closely your natal Moon is aspected by the

Sun/Moon/Mars or (from a Western perspective only) is squared by transiting

Jupiter. (Obviously, from a vedic perspective, Jupiter would not cast an

aspect onto your tenth house Moon.)

While I do think there is some mixing of apples and oranges going on here (i.e.,

mixing aspects of transiting planets with aspects of natal planets), that

doesn't mean that looking at these formations is not worthwhile -- it just

creates a third type of planetary formation (comprised of transiting to natal

planets) to consider. Just keep in mind that their impact will depend on which

aspects are more personal to you (rather than the general population) because

they "hit" on one of your natal planets closely by degree or because you are

running their dasa, etc.

In your chart, all this activity falls across the 1/7 (you v. significant

others) axis and 4/10 (home-family v. public-career) axis. I think the obvious

interpretation just looking at houses involved (without knowing your other natal

placements, degrees of all those 1st house planets, dasa you are running, etc.)

is that focus is being brought to bear on these areas of your life; that there

may be some stresses or balancing act going on among them, possibly straining

your health or detracting from your sense of self (1st house). In particular,

the effect of the Libra full moon would be to illuminate 4th house matters

relative to the other three houses also being affected.

Don't let the concepts of "Grand Cross" or "T-Square" scare you in and of

themselves. (After all, with a Grand Cross, there is some balance with all

the elements -- earth, water, fire and air involved. With a T-square, always

note which element is "missing" and see if it's absence resonates with you in

any way.) While these formations can be quite challenging, they can also mark

times of great achievement or opportunity. Again, you have to look at the

nature and particular combination of planets involved -- of these transiting

planets, they are all from a mutually "friendly" group and all relatively

friendly to a Cancer ascendant person. Also, they are in "cardinal" signs

rather than "fixed" signs like Scorpio, Leo, etc. This says to me that any

events these aspects prompt could happen fast or are more likely to generate

activity toward resolution -- though there could be some heat involved -- than,

say, if fixed signs were involved and, due to inflexible attitudes or positions,

matters might get strained to a breaking point.

That said, and not knowing how Saturn operates in your chart, I would be mindful

of when transiting Mars directly opposes your natal lst house Saturn and/or

Mercury as either or those oppositions might create some tension or frustration

or otherwise be somewhat problematic (tiredness, etc.).

I hope some of this is helpful.

Regards,

Trish Francis

[Guest guest]

Dear Janna,

 

I tend to go by the Functional impact for each Lagna - perhaps Cynthia can sum

up the generalised way Mars-Cap opp Jup-Canc would manifest.

 

Also, not sure of Grand Squares :-) .

 

Sateesh.

 

 

-

"janna lynn" <jnanalynn >

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Saturday, April 12, 2003 2:09 PM

[GJ] Re:Mars in Capricorn & April 16 Libra Full Moon

: April 12, 2003: : Dear Sateesh, Cynthia, and other group members.: : I have

some general questions about Mars entry into: Capricorn (today)opposing Jupiter

in Cancer, for: everyone, and how this impacts me (and others: generally), with

the Full Moon in Libra April 16,: which opposes my natal Aries Moon, squares

Mars in: Capricorn, which in turn squares natal Aries Moon,: with Mars in

Capricorn opposing Cancer Sun, Saturn,: Mercury, and Pluto (Cancer lagna),

forming a Grand: Square, taking into consideration both natal and TR: planets.:

: My questions are:: : 1) Could someone comment on the impact in general of:

Mars in Capricorn opposing Jupiter in Cancer?: : 2)The impact in general of the

Libra Full Moon: squaring Mars in Capricorn and squaring Jupiter in: Cancer,

with the Mars-Jupiter opposition?: : 3) Am I mixing apples and oranges by

taking into: consideration both TR and NT planets to form a Grand: Square, or

is this valid? If so, what is the impact of: the above "dynamic planetary

tension" in my chart? For: me, the Grand Square would be H-1, H-4, H-7, and

H-10.: (H-1 Sun, Saturn, Mercury, Pluto; H-4 TR Libra Moon;: H-7 TR Mars in

Capricorn; H-10 Aries Moon).How would: this play out in dealing with the

planetary tension in: a positive way (i.e., turning the squares into two:

trines)?

 

 

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Hi Sateesh:

 

Thanks for reply, which may point to how I am mixing "apples

and oranges" in Jyotish/Western astrology.

 

By "Grand Square" in this case I mean: Mars in Capricorn (H-7)

squares my natal Moon (10th House Aries), which in turn

squares H-1 (containing NT Sun, Pluto, Mercury,

Saturn—Cancer lagna), which in turn squares TR Libra Moon

(H-4), each cardinal house 90 degrees apart with these

planetary configurations at the Full Moon—I come up with April

17 to get the Libra Full Moon).

 

I think this is a Cardinal T-Square for everyone (with different

houses, depending on lagna, with the Jupiter-Mars opposition

T-squaring the Libra Full Moon), but for me because natal Moon

is H-10 Aries (also TRansiting Mercury is there), I "see" it as a

Grand Square for me?

 

But again if this is a "grand mixture" of different fruits in one

basket, I hope someone versed in both Western/Jyotish will

correct my confusion.

 

Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram

 

Janna

 

 

 

 

gjlist, "Sateesh Batas" <makara@n...>

wrote:

> Dear Janna,

>

> I tend to go by the Functional impact for each Lagna - perhaps

Cynthia can sum up the generalised way Mars-Cap opp

Jup-Canc would manifest.

>

> Also, not sure of Grand Squares :-) .

>

> Sateesh.

>

>

> -

> "janna lynn" <jnanalynn>

> <gjlist>

> Saturday, April 12, 2003 2:09 PM

> [GJ] Re:Mars in Capricorn & April 16 Libra Full Moon

>

>

> : April 12, 2003

> :

> : Dear Sateesh, Cynthia, and other group members.

> :

> : I have some general questions about Mars entry into

> : Capricorn (today)opposing Jupiter in Cancer, for

> : everyone, and how this impacts me (and others

> : generally), with the Full Moon in Libra April 16,

> : which opposes my natal Aries Moon, squares Mars in

> : Capricorn, which in turn squares natal Aries Moon,

> : with Mars in Capricorn opposing Cancer Sun, Saturn,

> : Mercury, and Pluto (Cancer lagna), forming a Grand

> : Square, taking into consideration both natal and TR

> : planets.

> :

> : My questions are:

> :

> : 1) Could someone comment on the impact in general of

> : Mars in Capricorn opposing Jupiter in Cancer?

> :

> : 2)The impact in general of the Libra Full Moon

> : squaring Mars in Capricorn and squaring Jupiter in

> : Cancer, with the Mars-Jupiter opposition?

> :

> : 3) Am I mixing apples and oranges by taking into

> : consideration both TR and NT planets to form a Grand

> : Square, or is this valid? If so, what is the impact of

> : the above "dynamic planetary tension" in my chart? For

> : me, the Grand Square would be H-1, H-4, H-7, and H-10.

> : (H-1 Sun, Saturn, Mercury, Pluto; H-4 TR Libra Moon;

> : H-7 TR Mars in Capricorn; H-10 Aries Moon).How would

> : this play out in dealing with the planetary tension in

> : a positive way (i.e., turning the squares into two

> : trines)?

>

>

>

>

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Dear Janna,

Trish explained the situation very well.

I'd just emphasize that you always keep in mind configuaration and placements

you have in YOUR NT chart- 'grand cross' that transiting planets form with your

natal planets will activate the area/s/ of life as Trish explained- on a bigger

scale than it would be the case when only tr. planets form confuguration.

 

As per your situation, Full Moon will activate 4/10 and 1/7axes by itself-

Jupiter and mars /long term tr/ would do the same- however tr. jupiter over

your first house planets, and aspect with natal Moon, promises protection, good

outcome, though it may be upsetting at the time /tr mars your NATAL MOON/ -

whenever natal configuation, placements are activated that's the most

significant.

For longer impact see what's going on with your progression at the moment, or

which period and sub-p you are running- or better yet, BOTH. in other words,

which ALREADY existing promisses will be 'triggered by particular

configuration- that will set up the the stage for all manifestations that can

be expected.

 

Hope this helps.

Anna

 

-

bharani (AT) aol (DOT) com

gjlist

Saturday, April 12, 2003 1:30 PM

Re: [GJ] Re:Mars in Capricorn & April 16 Libra Full Moon

Dear Janna,I'm usually a lurker on the list but thought I would throw my two

cents in. I have a fair amount of experience in Western and more limited

understanding of jyotish, and have always had a keen interest in the formations

you asked about.Mars in Cap/Jupiter in Cancer: In general terms, both are

exalted, they are friends and in mutual aspect. In Western this might be

viewed as an energizing or even "lucky" aspect (there was some type of

Mars/Jupiter aspect going on in OJ's chart when he was acquitted); however, it

is worth noting that this opposition/mutual aspect is by sign only at this

point as there is a large separation by degree (orb) right now. Mars and

Jupiter will not be exactly opposite one another until May 8th. With respect

to your chart, look at the functional status of Mars (yogakaraka) and Jupiter

(ruler of 6th and 9th so somewhat mixed) and where each is transiting precisely

relative to your first house planets (quite a mixture, there) or 10th house

moon. Whichever of your planets is aspected most closely by Mars or Jupiter

(up to about a 3 degree orb) would be the ones to watch first, in my mind.Don't

forget that the full moon means that the Sun (exalted right now) is also a

player in your 10th -- exactly opposite the transiting Full Moon. By degree,

there is an almost exact T-square among transiting Sun/Moon/Mars, with the

"empty space" or "outlet" (the exact point that would make for a Grand Cross

were it inhabited by a transiting planet) placed over your lagna. (My

understanding of T-squares is that they represent particular challenges or

stresses and that the unoccupied kendra can become the focus or outlet for that

activity or pressure -- with the nature of the issue depending on the nature of

the planets and houses involved.) While transiting Jupiter could be considered

as filling that void somewhat as it participates in a Grand Cross by SIGN, from

a Western perspective Jupiter would be considered out of orb due to its degree

placement, so that there is still a T-square effect to some extent. Another

major factor to consider is how closely you r natal Moon is aspected by the

Sun/Moon/Mars or (from a Western perspective only) is squared by transiting

Jupiter. (Obviously, from a vedic perspective, Jupiter would not cast an

aspect onto your tenth house Moon.)While I do think there is some mixing of

apples and oranges going on here (i.e., mixing aspects of transiting planets

with aspects of natal planets), that doesn't mean that looking at these

formations is not worthwhile -- it just creates a third type of planetary

formation (comprised of transiting to natal planets) to consider. Just keep in

mind that their impact will depend on which aspects are more personal to you

(rather than the general population) because they "hit" on one of your natal

planets closely by degree or because you are running their dasa, etc.In your

chart, all this activity falls across the 1/7 (you v. significant others) axis

and 4/10 (home-family v. public-career) axis. I think the obvious

interpretation just looking at houses involved (without knowing your other

natal placements, degrees of all those 1st house planets, dasa you are running,

etc.) is that focus is being brought to bear on these areas of your life; that

there may be some stresses or balancing act going on among them, possibly

straining your health or detracting from your sense of self (1st house). In

particular, the effect of the Libra full moon would be to illuminate 4th house

matters relative to the other three houses also being affected.Don't let the

concepts of "Grand Cross" or "T-Square" scare you in and of themselves.

(After all, with a Grand Cross, there is some balance with all the elements --

earth, water, fire and air involved. With a T-square, always note which

element is "missing" and see if it's absence resonates with you in any way.)

While these formations can be quite challenging, they can also mark times of

great achievement or opportunity. Again, you have to look at the nature and

particular combination of planets involved -- of these transiting planets, they

are all from a mutually "friendly" group and all relatively friendly to a Cancer

ascendant person. Also, they are in "cardinal" signs rather than "fixed" signs

like Scorpio, Leo, etc. This says to me that any events these aspects prompt

could happen fast or are more likely to generate activity toward resolution --

though there could be some heat involved -- than, say, if fixed signs were

involved and, du e to inflexible attitudes or positions, matters might get

strained to a breaking point. That said, and not knowing how Saturn operates

in your chart, I would be mindful of when transiting Mars directly opposes your

natal lst house Saturn and/or Mercury as either or those oppositions might

create some tension or frustration or otherwise be somewhat problematic

(tiredness, etc.).I hope some of this is helpful.Regards,Trish Francis Om Namo

Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

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Dear Trish:

 

This is one of the most illuminating answers I could have hoped

for, and I think with deeper reflection on the points in your reply,

will help me to clarify some of the confusions I have between

Western and Jyotish (I am self-taught in both, beginning with

Western for several decades; but upon seeing my Vedic chart, I

knew that "this was me," so I embarked upon Jyotish, where I

have only scratched the surface. But I consider myself an

"intuitive astrologer" and tend to look at the planetary

relationships, but without the in-depth training that professional

astrolers have). Thank you for coming out of your status as a

"lurker on the list!" Every once in a while I venture out and ask

something, and most often, I am able to fit another piece in the

puzzle by following this list.

 

RE: ...that this opposition/mutual aspect is by sign only at this

point as there is

> a large separation by degree (orb) right now. Mars and Jupiter

will not be

> exactly opposite one another until May 8th.

 

This helps; for example, Moon (15 degrees) and Sun (6

degrees) are squared natally by sign/house in my chart, but as a

Vedic astrologer pointed out, not be degree. I need to be more

careful about this since I had previously only understood it from a

Western astrological point of view.

 

RE: With respect to your chart, look

> at the functional status of Mars (yogakaraka) and Jupiter (ruler

of 6th and

> 9th so somewhat mixed) and where each is transiting

precisely relative to

> your first house planets (quite a mixture, there) or 10th house

moon.

 

Unfortunately I do not understand "functional status," which

Sateesh also referred to. But your explanation of the "missing or

unoccupied kendra" in the T-square and of the Grand Cross,

etc., I find deeply intuitive and again illuminating, and I think

others may benefit from this explanation as I do and will be able

to use in the future.

 

RE: That said, and not knowing how Saturn operates in your

chart, I would be

> mindful of when transiting Mars directly opposes your natal lst

house Saturn

> and/or Mercury as either of those oppositions might create

some tension or

> frustration or otherwise be somewhat problematic (tiredness,

etc.).

 

And thanks especially for this. I have just "left" Sade Sati (or has

'it' left me?) with Saturn's entry into Gemiii April 7. I am quite

frankly exhausted from the last 8 years of sheer torment and

suffering and am beginning ever so slightly to feel some release

at this point from this Saturn transit—with Saturn at 5 degrees

(1-degree combust my Sun), any Saturn transit takes a deep

toll—and this one has. But I must say it has taken me to

profound depths in my spiritual path and work—as a friend

recently wrote: "The external show, I hope, is like the surface of

the ocean. It does not reveal much; behind the appearances is

the depth of the ocean. A completely different story. "

 

I am also ending Rahu Dasa [Rahu-Mars] in October when

Jupiter dasa begins this year). So, yes, there is profoundly

intense Mars-Saturn activity in my chart at this time, and it would

be such a "boon" if this activity, as you suggest, might be

"friendly" with these planets in exaltation. And I think again your

reply will help me to look more closely at when Mars by degree

(looks like April 20-22) might create more stress opposing NT

Sun and Saturn.

 

All of this is the reason I again and again have returned to the

wisdom of the poet—the gift of guru through the Sade Sati

transit, which I share with you and others on the list:

 

PAIN AND JOY

Pain is the vestal virgin consecrated to the service of the

immortal perfection, and when she takes her true place before

the altar of the infinite she casts off her dark veil and bares her

face to the beholder as a revelation of supreme joy.

 

Rabindranath Tagore

 

Thank you again for sharing your wisdom.

 

Satyam Shivam Sundaram

 

Janna

 

http://seven_directions.tripod.com/

 

 

 

 

gjlist, bharani@a... wrote:

> Dear Janna,

>

> I'm usually a lurker on the list but thought I would throw my two

cents in. I

> have a fair amount of experience in Western and more limited

understanding of

> jyotish, and have always had a keen interest in the formations

you asked

> about.

>

> Mars in Cap/Jupiter in Cancer: In general terms, both are

exalted, they are

> friends and in mutual aspect. In Western this might be viewed

as an

> energizing or even "lucky" aspect (there was some type of

Mars/Jupiter aspect

> going on in OJ's chart when he was acquitted); however, it is

worth noting

> that this opposition/mutual aspect is by sign only at this point

as there is

> a large separation by degree (orb) right now. Mars and Jupiter

will not be

> exactly opposite one another until May 8th. With respect to your

chart, look

> at the functional status of Mars (yogakaraka) and Jupiter (ruler

of 6th and

> 9th so somewhat mixed) and where each is transiting

precisely relative to

> your first house planets (quite a mixture, there) or 10th house

moon.

> Whichever of your planets is aspected most closely by Mars or

Jupiter (up to

> about a 3 degree orb) would be the ones to watch first, in my

mind.

>

> Don't forget that the full moon means that the Sun (exalted right

now) is

> also a player in your 10th -- exactly opposite the transiting Full

Moon. By

> degree, there is an almost exact T-square among transiting

Sun/Moon/Mars,

> with the "empty space" or "outlet" (the exact point that would

make for a

> Grand Cross were it inhabited by a transiting planet) placed

over your lagna.

> (My understanding of T-squares is that they represent

particular challenges

> or stresses and that the unoccupied kendra can become the

focus or outlet for

> that activity or pressure -- with the nature of the issue

depending on the

> nature of the planets and houses involved.) While transiting

Jupiter could be

> considered as filling that void somewhat as it participates in a

Grand Cross

> by SIGN, from a Western perspective Jupiter would be

considered out of orb

> due to its degree placement, so that there is still a T-square

effect to some

> extent. Another major factor to consider is how closely your

natal Moon is

> aspected by the Sun/Moon/Mars or (from a Western

perspective only) is squared

> by transiting Jupiter. (Obviously, from a vedic perspective,

Jupiter would

> not cast an aspect onto your tenth house Moon.)

>

> While I do think there is some mixing of apples and oranges

going on here

> (i.e., mixing aspects of transiting planets with aspects of natal

planets),

> that doesn't mean that looking at these formations is not

worthwhile -- it

> just creates a third type of planetary formation (comprised of

transiting to

> natal planets) to consider. Just keep in mind that their impact

will depend

> on which aspects are more personal to you (rather than the

general

> population) because they "hit" on one of your natal planets

closely by degree

> or because you are running their dasa, etc.

>

> In your chart, all this activity falls across the 1/7 (you v.

significant

> others) axis and 4/10 (home-family v. public-career) axis. I

think the

> obvious interpretation just looking at houses involved (without

knowing your

> other natal placements, degrees of all those 1st house

planets, dasa you are

> running, etc.) is that focus is being brought to bear on these

areas of your

> life; that there may be some stresses or balancing act going

on among them,

> possibly straining your health or detracting from your sense of

self (1st

> house). In particular, the effect of the Libra full moon would be

to

> illuminate 4th house matters relative to the other three houses

also being

> affected.

>

> Don't let the concepts of "Grand Cross" or "T-Square" scare

you in and of

> themselves. (After all, with a Grand Cross, there is some

balance with all

> the elements -- earth, water, fire and air involved. With a

T-square, always

> note which element is "missing" and see if it's absence

resonates with you in

> any way.) While these formations can be quite challenging,

they can also mark

> times of great achievement or opportunity. Again, you have to

look at the

> nature and particular combination of planets involved -- of

these transiting

> planets, they are all from a mutually "friendly" group and all

relatively

> friendly to a Cancer ascendant person. Also, they are in

"cardinal" signs

> rather than "fixed" signs like Scorpio, Leo, etc. This says to me

that any

> events these aspects prompt could happen fast or are more

likely to generate

> activity toward resolution -- though there could be some heat

involved --

> than, say, if fixed signs were involved and, due to inflexible

attitudes or

> positions, matters might get strained to a breaking point.

>

> That said, and not knowing how Saturn operates in your chart, I

would be

> mindful of when transiting Mars directly opposes your natal lst

house Saturn

> and/or Mercury as either or those oppositions might create

some tension or

> frustration or otherwise be somewhat problematic (tiredness,

etc.).

>

> I hope some of this is helpful.

>

> Regards,

>

> Trish Francis

[Guest guest]

Dear Janna,

 

In simplest terms (there are many views on what are Functional malefics and

Functional benefics for each of the 12 Ascending signs) - any Planet that is

Lord of the 6th/8th/12th (some include 3rd) houses can be considered

functionally malefic - more so if the said House contains a Moolatrikona (MT)

sign.

 

Like for Cancer, Jupiter's MT sign Sagittarius is in your 6th - so it becomes FM

- similarly, Saturn's MT sign Aquarius is in your 8th, so Saturn is also a FM

for you.

 

www.yournetastrologer.com or www.jupitersweb.com will help explain these concepts.

 

Sateesh.

 

========

 

-

"Janna Lynn" <jnanalynn >

<gjlist>

Saturday, April 12, 2003 7:49 PM

[GJ] Re:Mars in Capricorn & April 16 Libra Full Moon

Unfortunately I do not understand "functional status," which Sateesh also referred to.

 

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Dear Anna:

 

Yes, your reply does help: I think I have leapt light years in my

understanding with these replies from you, Trish, and Sateesh. I

tend to look (Western overview-house/sign) at the Grand Cross,

and it DOES impact H-1-7 axis and H-4-10 axis, but by degree, it

"looks like" only on May 8, Mars-Jupiter at 15 degrees exactly

squares both TR Moon (Cancer) and NT Moon (Aries), which is a

T-square, both in transit and natal, with the Moon.

 

With the information Trish supplied, I'm intuitively guided to seek

the "missing piece" of this T-square in H-4. It "sounds like" it

could be a change of residence on the surface and possibly a

deep inner change underneath the surface, possibly more

emotional since it is a Moon aspect, but with Mars sub-dasa, it

could also be action-oriented externally—either way this will

keep "mind" busy for awhile.

 

Thanks to you too for another "missing piece of the puzzle."

 

Satyam Shivam Sundaram

 

Janna

 

http://seven_directions.tripod.com

 

 

gjlist, "N." <anmar@a...> wrote:

> Dear Janna,

> Trish explained the situation very well.

> I'd just emphasize that you always keep in mind configuaration

and placements you have in YOUR NT chart- 'grand cross' that

transiting planets form with your natal planets will activate the

area/s/ of life as Trish explained- on a bigger scale than it would

be the case when only tr. planets form confuguration.

>

> As per your situation, Full Moon will activate 4/10 and 1/7axes

by itself- Jupiter and mars /long term tr/ would do the same-

however tr. jupiter over your first house planets, and aspect with

natal Moon, promises protection, good outcome, though it may

be upsetting at the time /tr mars your NATAL MOON/ - whenever

natal configuation, placements are activated that's the most

significant.

> For longer impact see what's going on with your progression at

the moment, or which period and sub-p you are running- or

better yet, BOTH. in other words, which ALREADY existing

promisses will be 'triggered by particular configuration- that will

set up the the stage for all manifestations that can be expected.

>

> Hope this helps.

> Anna

>

> -

> bharani@a...

> gjlist

> Saturday, April 12, 2003 1:30 PM

> Re: [GJ] Re:Mars in Capricorn & April 16 Libra Full

Moon

>

>

> Dear Janna,

>

> I'm usually a lurker on the list but thought I would throw my

two cents in. I have a fair amount of experience in Western and

more limited understanding of jyotish, and have always had a

keen interest in the formations you asked about.

>

> Mars in Cap/Jupiter in Cancer: In general terms, both are

exalted, they are friends and in mutual aspect. In Western this

might be viewed as an energizing or even "lucky" aspect (there

was some type of Mars/Jupiter aspect going on in OJ's chart

when he was acquitted); however, it is worth noting that this

opposition/mutual aspect is by sign only at this point as there is

a large separation by degree (orb) right now. Mars and Jupiter

will not be exactly opposite one another until May 8th. With

respect to your chart, look at the functional status of Mars

(yogakaraka) and Jupiter (ruler of 6th and 9th so somewhat

mixed) and where each is transiting precisely relative to your first

house planets (quite a mixture, there) or 10th house moon.

Whichever of your planets is aspected most closely by Mars or

Jupiter (up to about a 3 degree orb) would be the ones to watch

first, in my mind.

>

> Don't forget that the full moon means that the Sun (exalted

right now) is also a player in your 10th -- exactly opposite the

transiting Full Moon. By degree, there is an almost exact

T-square among transiting Sun/Moon/Mars, with the "empty

space" or "outlet" (the exact point that would make for a Grand

Cross were it inhabited by a transiting planet) placed over your

lagna. (My understanding of T-squares is that they represent

particular challenges or stresses and that the unoccupied

kendra can become the focus or outlet for that activity or

pressure -- with the nature of the issue depending on the nature

of the planets and houses involved.) While transiting Jupiter

could be considered as filling that void somewhat as it

participates in a Grand Cross by SIGN, from a Western

perspective Jupiter would be considered out of orb due to its

degree placement, so that there is still a T-square effect to some

extent. Another major factor to consider is how closely you r

natal Moon is aspected by the Sun/Moon/Mars or (from a

Western perspective only) is squared by transiting Jupiter.

(Obviously, from a vedic perspective, Jupiter would not cast an

aspect onto your tenth house Moon.)

>

> While I do think there is some mixing of apples and oranges

going on here (i.e., mixing aspects of transiting planets with

aspects of natal planets), that doesn't mean that looking at these

formations is not worthwhile -- it just creates a third type of

planetary formation (comprised of transiting to natal planets) to

consider. Just keep in mind that their impact will depend on

which aspects are more personal to you (rather than the general

population) because they "hit" on one of your natal planets

closely by degree or because you are running their dasa, etc.

>

> In your chart, all this activity falls across the 1/7 (you v.

significant others) axis and 4/10 (home-family v. public-career)

axis. I think the obvious interpretation just looking at houses

involved (without knowing your other natal placements, degrees

of all those 1st house planets, dasa you are running, etc.) is that

focus is being brought to bear on these areas of your life; that

there may be some stresses or balancing act going on among

them, possibly straining your health or detracting from your

sense of self (1st house). In particular, the effect of the Libra full

moon would be to illuminate 4th house matters relative to the

other three houses also being affected.

>

> Don't let the concepts of "Grand Cross" or "T-Square" scare

you in and of themselves. (After all, with a Grand Cross, there is

some balance with all the elements -- earth, water, fire and air

involved. With a T-square, always note which element is

"missing" and see if it's absence resonates with you in any way.)

While these formations can be quite challenging, they can also

mark times of great achievement or opportunity. Again, you have

to look at the nature and particular combination of planets

involved -- of these transiting planets, they are all from a mutually

"friendly" group and all relatively friendly to a Cancer ascendant

person. Also, they are in "cardinal" signs rather than "fixed"

signs like Scorpio, Leo, etc. This says to me that any events

these aspects prompt could happen fast or are more likely to

generate activity toward resolution -- though there could be some

heat involved -- than, say, if fixed signs were involved and, du e to

inflexible attitudes or positions, matters might get strained to a

breaking point.

>

> That said, and not knowing how Saturn operates in your chart,

I would be mindful of when transiting Mars directly opposes your

natal lst house Saturn and/or Mercury as either or those

oppositions might create some tension or frustration or

otherwise be somewhat problematic (tiredness, etc.).

>

> I hope some of this is helpful.

>

> Regards,

>

> Trish Francis

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> :

gjlist-

>

>

>

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I would describe this opposition as fierce optimism. Mars exalted is strong for

decisive action. In Capricorn that action comes from experience, not so

reckless. Early Capricorn is utar Ashada, also wise and philosophical, but

Mars in Cap is good for business. Likewise, Jupiter in Pushya is optimistic

and good for business.

 

Therefore, this combination should be good for starting a new venture. It is

passionate and willing to risk. This is stronger as Mars nears tight

opposition to Jupiter and the Moon triggers either.

 

The Full Moon is simply a trigger of this. I think it will be most strongly

triggered with the Moon conjoins Mars or Jupiter. If Capricorn Cancer axis is

a strong one in your chart you will feel is more personally.

 

For the world, it should be good for taking care of business at all levels.

 

this is very general and off the top of my head.

-

Sateesh Batas

gjlist

Saturday, April 12, 2003 10:04 AM

Re: [GJ] Re:Mars in Capricorn & April 16 Libra Full Moon

Dear Janna,

 

I tend to go by the Functional impact for each Lagna - perhaps Cynthia can sum

up the generalised way Mars-Cap opp Jup-Canc would manifest.

 

Also, not sure of Grand Squares :-) .

 

Sateesh.

 

 

-

"janna lynn" <jnanalynn >

<gjlist>

Saturday, April 12, 2003 2:09 PM

[GJ] Re:Mars in Capricorn & April 16 Libra Full Moon

: April 12, 2003: : Dear Sateesh, Cynthia, and other group members.: : I have

some general questions about Mars entry into: Capricorn (today)opposing Jupiter

in Cancer, for: everyone, and how this impacts me (and others: generally), with

the Full Moon in Libra April 16,: which opposes my natal Aries Moon, squares

Mars in: Capricorn, which in turn squares natal Aries Moon,: with Mars in

Capricorn opposing Cancer Sun, Saturn,: Mercury, and Pluto (Cancer lagna),

forming a Grand: Square, taking into consideration both natal and TR: planets.:

: My questions are:: : 1) Could someone comment on the impact in general of:

Mars in Capricorn opposing Jupiter in Cancer?: : 2)The impact in general of the

Libra Full Moon: squaring Mars in Capricorn and squaring Jupiter in: Cancer,

with the Mars-Jupiter opposition?: : 3) Am I mixing apples and oranges by

taking into: consideration both TR and NT planets to form a Grand: Square, or

is this valid? If so, what is the impact of: the above "dynamic planetary

tension" in my chart? For: me, the Grand Square would be H-1, H-4, H-7, and

H-10.: (H-1 Sun, Saturn, Mercury, Pluto; H-4 TR Libra Moon;: H-7 TR Mars in

Capricorn; H-10 Aries Moon).How would: this play out in dealing with the

planetary tension in: a positive way (i.e., turning the squares into two:

trines)?

 

 

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