Marriage and Narayana dasa - Robyn

April 3, 2003

Dear Robyn,

I will try to synthesize the points I wanted to make yesterday, in the

following way. For now, leave your next relationship prediction

aside, and see how the Narayana dasas illustrated your first marriage

very accurately.

First point: The Narayana Maha dasa was Cancer, and

sub-period was Aries at the time of your first marriage. The most

key and focal points for marriage (in order of importance) are: (1) the

7th house and its lord, plus Venus; (2) the Upapada lagna, its lord, and

its trines; and (3) the Darakaraka, which is Mercury in your case.

All of these, as well as signs/houses/planets which either aspect them,

or have unobstructed Argala on them, will be very conducive not just to

marriage, but to other relationships as well.

Further points: Now, given the above parameters, why did

Cancer/Aries give marriage? There are a number of reasons.

After seeing how this works in your chart, and then seeing how it works

in varieties of other charts, you will get a working formula as to what

to look for.

Reasons for marriage and marriage significators:

1. Mercury is the DK (also lagna lord, which stimulates yogas), Venus

is the natural karaka, and Jupiter is the 7th lord. All of these

are in the sign of Capricorn in your chart. Cp is in the 7th from

the dasa sign, and thus is highly indicative of marriage during the dasa

of Cancer.

2. Argala: Cancer, being in the 2nd from the Upapada

lagna, forms unobstructed Argala to it. Thus for the purposes of

marriage shown by the UL, Cancer is powerful. Similarly, Aries was

the sub-period. Being in the 11th from Gemini, the Aries sub-period

signifies the short-term time frame, as it also forms unobstructed Argala

to the Upapada lagna, Gemini.

3. Saturn is key and important also in timing the marriage, as

follows. (1) Saturn disposits all the marriage significators in the

sign of Capricorn; (2) Saturn forms a benefic Argala to the UL Gemini, as

well as dasa sign of Cancer; and (3) Saturn has full Rasi drishti onto

the sub-period sign of Aries.

4. Note here that the Moon is also involved: (1) the Moon rules

the 7th from Venus/Mercury/Jupiter, all marriage karakas; (2) it is

the ruler of the dasa sign Cancer; and (3) the Moon has full rasi drishti

onto the sub-period sign of Aries.

Meanwhile, Jupiter and the Rahu/Ketu axis, are on the lagna of the

chart. The timing couldn't be more perfect for marriage, according

to Narayana dasa and transits.

Now, the presence of Saturn in the 12th house, while Rahu occupies the

7th of the chart, indicate a karmic scenario around separation from more

than one husband. Saturn's situation is responsible for one husband

dying, in fact. Still, there is enough reinforcement to key

marriage and relationship positions by Saturn, thus indicating a delay in

the time frame when martial happiness can be expected.

The above are but guidelines from which we can see how the Narayana dasa

works beautifully. Once you grasp the above vis a vis the rasi

chart, we can go on to the Navamsa chart also, with reference to Narayana

dasa. See if you can analyze the influences during other

relationships or marriages, and eventually you will get a working formula

going. Let me know what you find out........

Best wishes,

Robert

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

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April 3, 2003

Dear Robert,

Will do.

It is of relevance here also, to find the reason in the chart as to why it did

not last. There must be inhibiting factors in the chart which could have been

detected since the marriage did not last long.

As for the prediction on the next one, Rahu continues to sit in transit in that

8th house rasi, during the time frame of Cancer, and this concerns me. (more on

this later).

Many thanks

Robyn

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Robert A. Koch

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Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:49 PM

[GJ] Marriage and Narayana dasa - Robyn

Dear Robyn, I will try to synthesize the points I wanted to make yesterday, in

the following way. For now, leave your next relationship prediction aside, and

see how the Narayana dasas illustrated your first marriage very accurately.

First point: The Narayana Maha dasa was Cancer, and sub-period was Aries at

the time of your first marriage. The most key and focal points for marriage

(in order of importance) are: (1) the 7th house and its lord, plus Venus; (2)

the Upapada lagna, its lord, and its trines; and (3) the Darakaraka, which is

Mercury in your case. All of these, as well as signs/houses/planets which

either aspect them, or have unobstructed Argala on them, will be very conducive

not just to marriage, but to other relationships as well. Further points: Now,

given the above parameters, why did Cancer/Aries give marriage? There are a

number of reasons. After seeing how this works in your chart, and then seeing

how it works in varieties of other charts, you will get a working formula as to

what to look for. Reasons for marriage and marriage significators:

1. Mercury is the DK (also lagna lord, which stimulates yogas), Venus is the

natural karaka, and Jupiter is the 7th lord. All of these are in the sign of

Capricorn in your chart. Cp is in the 7th from the dasa sign, and thus is

highly indicative of marriage during the dasa of Cancer.

2. Argala: Cancer, being in the 2nd from the Upapada lagna, forms unobstructed

Argala to it. Thus for the purposes of marriage shown by the UL, Cancer is

powerful. Similarly, Aries was the sub-period. Being in the 11th from Gemini,

the Aries sub-period signifies the short-term time frame, as it also forms

unobstructed Argala to the Upapada lagna, Gemini.

3. Saturn is key and important also in timing the marriage, as follows. (1)

Saturn disposits all the marriage significators in the sign of Capricorn; (2)

Saturn forms a benefic Argala to the UL Gemini, as well as dasa sign of Cancer;

and (3) Saturn has full Rasi drishti onto the sub-period sign of Aries.

4. Note here that the Moon is also involved: (1) the Moon rules the 7th from

Venus/Mercury/Jupiter, all marriage karakas; (2) it is the ruler of the dasa

sign Cancer; and (3) the Moon has full rasi drishti onto the sub-period sign of

Aries. Meanwhile, Jupiter and the Rahu/Ketu axis, are on the lagna of the chart.

The timing couldn't be more perfect for marriage, according to Narayana dasa

and transits. Now, the presence of Saturn in the 12th house, while Rahu

occupies the 7th of the chart, indicate a karmic scenario around separation

from more than one husband. Saturn's situation is responsible for one husband

dying, in fact. Still, there is enough reinforcement to key marriage and

relationship positions by Saturn, thus indicating a delay in the time frame

when martial happiness can be expected. The above are but guidelines from

which we can see how the Narayana dasa works beautifully. Once you grasp the

above vis a vis the rasi chart, we can go on to the Navamsa chart also, with

reference to Narayana dasa. See if you can analyze the influences during other

relationships or marriages, and eventually you will get a working formula going.

Let me know what you find out........Best wishes,Robert

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

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April 4, 2003

Dear Robyn,

At 06:20 AM 4/4/03 +0100, you wrote:

It is of

relevance here also, to find the reason in the chart as to why it did not

last. There must be inhibiting factors in the chart which could have been

detected since the marriage did not last long.

Clearly, the position of Saturn - an important relationship significator

because it disposits three key relationship planets in your chart - is

responsible for losses in marriages or partnerships. Still, the

12th house does not always just mean loss - lets just say, that from

mid-life onward, other less three-dimensional attributes of the 12th

house, start to manifest through Saturn instead. These we have

already discussed.

Note that the Sun's natural age of maturity, is between the ages of 50

and 70. This is important vis a vis Saturn, as the Sun and Saturn

exchange signs in your chart. Thus, instead of getting losses and

separations through Saturn, at this stage of life, you get wisdom,

spiritual understanding, and a recognition of the true path of the soul,

as the Sun is also the Atmakaraka for you. Once the dust of prior

karmas is cleared, then it is easier to see the karmic relevance of

whatever you're getting through Saturn. In other words, you are now

likely to have greater equanimity and acceptance of destiny, more so than

when you were younger. This ultimately is what Saturn brings out of

us, kicking and screaming in some cases!

As for the

prediction on the next one, Rahu continues to sit in transit in that 8th

house rasi, during the time frame of Cancer, and this concerns me. (more

on this later).

Yes, that is something to take note of. Lets just say, that when

you walk the straight and narrow path, it usually never runs through the

park where there are flowers all around. Rahu always likes to

"thicken the plot". Still, the operative dasa periods are

powerful, so hold onto your hat for an interesting ride. ;^)

All the best,

Robert

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

visit

<http://www.robertkoch.com>

and,

http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com

or

Ph: 541.318.0248

April 6, 2003

Dear Robert,

Thanks once again for all of this info on marriage. There is one thing I need to

clarify before I go on.

You wrote:

The Narayana Maha dasa was Cancer, and sub-period was Aries at the time of your first marriage.

On my JHL programme I get Capricorn maha dasa for narayana dasa. Is this

correct? Because it makes a fundamental difference to the calculations. And

sub-period Aries.

Taking it that it *was* the mahadasa of Capricorn, then this is my reasoning so far:

Working on maha narayana dasa of Capricorn and sub-period of Aries why did it

give marriage? I am still not certain as to why *exactly* this caused marriage

at this time. I am finding it hard to synthesize it succinctly.

Based on your key points, I come to the following conclusions.

You have said that the key points for marriage in order of importance are:

1) the 7th house (Pisces) and its lord (Jupiter), and Venus (in Capricorn).

2.The UL (Gemini) and its Lord (Mercury in Capricorn) and its trines (Libra and Aquarius).

3.And the DK, which is Mercury.

Now, all of these planets (Venus, Mercury, Jupiter) are disposited by Saturn in

the sign of Capricorn and, as you have said, Saturn is a key and important

factor in the timing of marriage. Saturn also forms a benefic argala to the UL

(Gemini), and aspects Capricorn, Libra and Aries by rasi dristi.

How is the Moon involved here? The Moon aspects (by rasi dristi) Cancer,

Capricorn and Aries and rules the 7th from Capricorn (maha dasha period).

Vim dasa at time of marriage:

Mer/Ra/Su/Ju/Ju

Transits at the time of marriage:

TR Sun on UL in Gemini.

Mercury (DK) on 9th house aspecting natal Moon and TR Mars.

Venus and Saturn in Aries (8th) with Saturn aspecting the UL, Libra and

Capricorn and Venus aspecting its own house of Libra (2nd).

Ketu on lagna and Rahu on 7th.

With all that I still don’t quite get the certainty of marriage. There surely

must be a couple of absolutely key points that make marriage a certainty?

It is only when I see the transits in the navamsa chart that it makes more sense.

And, I have pinned down the next relationship/marriage to 29 March, 2005,

running the Vim dasa of Su/Sa/Ve/Ke/Me.

There *is* one thing I have come to realise with research back into the past. TR

Ketu on lagna with TR Rahu on 7th brings marriage, while TR Rahu on lagna with

TR Ketu in 7th brings trouble!

Need some help please!