Powered-up Venus - April 2003

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Dear Robert Koch,

As usual, very well said. I would appreciate more information.

Thank you,

chrys333

[Guest guest]

Dear Robert,

 

Literally priceless insights. Thank you. I am busy on a bit of research here on

past relationships and will get back to the group on this but so far, every

single important relationship was running Vim dasa of sub period Rahu. I am

busy checking narayana dasa and other factors and will come back to you on a

calculated guestimate (my first public prediction) on when I think this next

marriage/relationship will take place. I have a tentative date of between 18

and 25 June, 2005. I shall argue my case later.

 

Best wishes

Robyn

-

Robert A. Koch

gjlist

Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:16 AM

Re: [GJ] Powered-up Venus - April 2003

Dear Robyn, Thanks for your interesting questions regarding Rahu and

relationships. As you've already pointed out, Rahu in an of itself is not

going to destroy all hopes of a good relationship, just because he is

positioned in the 7th house. The Rahu/Ketu axis running along the 1st and 7th

houses is, however, a bit of a challenge in this area, facing which some deep

and significant lessons come to the native. There are a number of interesting

facts re: Rahu and relationships that I want to run by you first, and then I

will give you my opinions on how the karma associated with Rahu can be modified

by other factors: Rahu is strong in Venusian signs, as well as all other signs

which are friendly to Venus. For purposes of Phalita, or results of karmas,

Rahu is exalted in Gemini, whereas for longevity and matters related to death,

Rahu is exalted in Taurus. Either way, the Venus/Saturn/Mercury group of

natural planetary friendships, are all congenial and quite comfortable with

Rahu. Rahu thus causes marriage in his dasas, especially the Vim. dasa of

Rahu/Venus, or the dasa of Venus/Rahu. Saturn, ruling the wheel of time,

brings people together as a matter of fate of destiny, and given his kinship

with Rahu, causes marriages and relationships to come to pass according to a

pre-determined time-line. This brings to mind the principle, that much more

of relationships are destined, than otherwise. Within specific karmic

parameters, free-will and self-determination are important to modify old

patterns of behavior, the results of which one has had to take birth again to

resolve. Thus with Rahu, specific karmic purposes are carried out through the

relationship, and thus even if one is in an awkward or uncomfortable situation,

his or her perseverance (and not running away) is its own reward, and serves the

true purpose of the union in the final analysis. MODIFICATIONS* The aspect, or

Argala, of natural benefics, to Rahu and the 7th house will modify the sting of

karmas associated with them. * Apart from the 7th house, Venus, and Jupiter,

the following factors are also very important in the judgment of not only the

type of destiny w.r.t. relationships, but also the times of their occurrence:

1. The Upapada lagna, or Arudha of the 12th house and its trines 2. The

Darapada, or Arudha of the 7th house and its trines 3. The Darakaraka, or

planet lowest in degrees in its sign. 4. All the above in the Navamsa

chartNow, especially with Narayana dasa, or other rasi dasas such as Lagna

Kendradi rasi dasa, there should be a trinal relationship with the Upapada

lagna, in order for relationships and marriage at a particular time in life, to

be of karmic significance. The Darapada may indicate relationships of a less

serious or committed nature, while the Upapada lagna will indicate marriage or

other long-term commitments. Anyway, see if the rasi dasa current, or its

lord, is in a good relation with either of these padas. If so, and if benefics

especially Venus, the Moon, and Jupiter are harmonious in their relation also,

then the corresponding segment of life may bring the desired union. Now, in

your case, the Narayana dasa is of Gemini, which is directly the Upapada lagna

for you. This is why you are thinking about it now, as the time frame

activates the potential of the UL. However, Rahu/Ketu/Mars being in aspect to

Gemini, may represent either frustration, or the experience of

manipulation/deception/abuse, or "on today, off tomorrow" scenarios so far as

past or recent partners were concerned. Partners in this sense, also includes

those in business situations. With such a natal "footprint" so far as

relationship situations are concerned, you are then advised to wait until (1) a

more auspicious sub-period occurs; and (2) when Jupiter transits favorably with

respect to the major and sub-period signs. The same should be observed so far

as Vimsottari dasa is concerned as well. My advice is to lie low for now, as

the respective Narayana dasa sub-periods of Virgo, then Leo, are not at all

auspicious, even if Jupiter is transiting in Cancer for the time being. The

sub-period of Cancer, however, will be more auspicious, as all the natal

benefics will be in the 7th from it. This starts 8/14/04, and lasts until

3/12/05. As you have already noted, the position of Jupiter exalted in the

Navamsa 7th house is quite nice, and does show that the potential for a

meaningful relationship in life does exist. Further, benefics including Venus

being positioned in all four kendras of your Navamsa, is more than auspicious

too. Note the aspect of Saturn, however, to the 7th house, as the lord of the

Navamsa Upapada lagna. This means that another marriage is all but certain, but

delayed. A more precise timing can be found using the Navamsa Narayana dasa.

I hope the above helps....... :^)Best regards,RobertPS There is more,

especially on the subject of Argalas, that is important too. I'll respond on

that, if you or others are interested.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

Ph: 541.318.0248Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo

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Dear Robert,

 

Thank you so much for this fascinating discussion which I am sure many others

are grateful for this input.

 

Based on what you are saying here I am going to make a very tentative and humble

first prediction for my own chart.

 

Sanjay Rath (Crux of Vedic Astrology: pp 262) "Venus and Moon are the chief

watery elements that promote marriage. The Lord of the seventh from Venus and

the planets conjoining or aspecting Venus give marriage". Now, considering that

you have suggested that the Narayana Dasa sub period of Cancer might be more

auspicious for marriage/relationship, it is therefore pertinent to see that in

the sub period of Gemini narayana dasa (Upapada lagna period), Cancer, Cancer

is also the seventh from Venus in my natal chart. So...it appears that the

subperiod of Cancer is when this event will take place. And since the Moon owns

Cancer, it meets both these principles as outlined by Sanjay Rath.

 

One of your principles is that the trines of the Arudha of the 7th house (my

natal third house: Scorpio) must be involved. Well, my Moon sits in my A7 in

Scorp, the trines involved are Pisces with Rahu and Cancer in 11th natal house

owned by Moon. (Rahu has been in a sub-period in every important relationship

in my life).

 

Now, where is Venus transitting during this time? (25th June, 2005) Venus is

transitting Cancer at this time together with important planets (based on past

relationships) is Saturn (bringing people together for the purposes of karma)

and Mercury (my Darapada). Not only this, Jupiter is transitting my ascendant

with Mars and Rahu in 7th house. It appears pretty certain that some

relationship of importance must take place at this time. On top of this, Sun

(my AK) is transitting my Upapada lagna (Gemini) on that date as well. Sun in

UL was in the same place for my first marriage.

 

I have not looked at the navamsa chart as yet which is obviously the most

important. But, as a start, how does this analysis stand up to some of the

princples? Tear it apart if necesary please.

 

Many thanks

Robyn

 

 

-

Robert A. Koch

gjlist

Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:16 AM

Re: [GJ] Powered-up Venus - April 2003

Dear Robyn, Thanks for your interesting questions regarding Rahu and

relationships. As you've already pointed out, Rahu in an of itself is not

going to destroy all hopes of a good relationship, just because he is

positioned in the 7th house. The Rahu/Ketu axis running along the 1st and 7th

houses is, however, a bit of a challenge in this area, facing which some deep

and significant lessons come to the native. There are a number of interesting

facts re: Rahu and relationships that I want to run by you first, and then I

will give you my opinions on how the karma associated with Rahu can be modified

by other factors: Rahu is strong in Venusian signs, as well as all other signs

which are friendly to Venus. For purposes of Phalita, or results of karmas,

Rahu is exalted in Gemini, whereas for longevity and matters related to death,

Rahu is exalted in Taurus. Either way, the Venus/Saturn/Mercury group of

natural planetary friendships, are all congenial and quite comfortable with

Rahu. Rahu thus causes marriage in his dasas, especially the Vim. dasa of

Rahu/Venus, or the dasa of Venus/Rahu. Saturn, ruling the wheel of time,

brings people together as a matter of fate of destiny, and given his kinship

with Rahu, causes marriages and relationships to come to pass according to a

pre-determined time-line. This brings to mind the principle, that much more

of relationships are destined, than otherwise. Within specific karmic

parameters, free-will and self-determination are important to modify old

patterns of behavior, the results of which one has had to take birth again to

resolve. Thus with Rahu, specific karmic purposes are carried out through the

relationship, and thus even if one is in an awkward or uncomfortable situation,

his or her perseverance (and not running away) is its own reward, and serves the

true purpose of the union in the final analysis. MODIFICATIONS* The aspect, or

Argala, of natural benefics, to Rahu and the 7th house will modify the sting of

karmas associated with them. * Apart from the 7th house, Venus, and Jupiter,

the following factors are also very important in the judgment of not only the

type of destiny w.r.t. relationships, but also the times of their occurrence:

1. The Upapada lagna, or Arudha of the 12th house and its trines 2. The

Darapada, or Arudha of the 7th house and its trines 3. The Darakaraka, or

planet lowest in degrees in its sign. 4. All the above in the Navamsa

chartNow, especially with Narayana dasa, or other rasi dasas such as Lagna

Kendradi rasi dasa, there should be a trinal relationship with the Upapada

lagna, in order for relationships and marriage at a particular time in life, to

be of karmic significance. The Darapada may indicate relationships of a less

serious or committed nature, while the Upapada lagna will indicate marriage or

other long-term commitments. Anyway, see if the rasi dasa current, or its

lord, is in a good relation with either of these padas. If so, and if benefics

especially Venus, the Moon, and Jupiter are harmonious in their relation also,

then the corresponding segment of life may bring the desired union. Now, in

your case, the Narayana dasa is of Gemini, which is directly the Upapada lagna

for you. This is why you are thinking about it now, as the time frame

activates the potential of the UL. However, Rahu/Ketu/Mars being in aspect to

Gemini, may represent either frustration, or the experience of

manipulation/deception/abuse, or "on today, off tomorrow" scenarios so far as

past or recent partners were concerned. Partners in this sense, also includes

those in business situations. With such a natal "footprint" so far as

relationship situations are concerned, you are then advised to wait until (1) a

more auspicious sub-period occurs; and (2) when Jupiter transits favorably with

respect to the major and sub-period signs. The same should be observed so far

as Vimsottari dasa is concerned as well. My advice is to lie low for now, as

the respective Narayana dasa sub-periods of Virgo, then Leo, are not at all

auspicious, even if Jupiter is transiting in Cancer for the time being. The

sub-period of Cancer, however, will be more auspicious, as all the natal

benefics will be in the 7th from it. This starts 8/14/04, and lasts until

3/12/05. As you have already noted, the position of Jupiter exalted in the

Navamsa 7th house is quite nice, and does show that the potential for a

meaningful relationship in life does exist. Further, benefics including Venus

being positioned in all four kendras of your Navamsa, is more than auspicious

too. Note the aspect of Saturn, however, to the 7th house, as the lord of the

Navamsa Upapada lagna. This means that another marriage is all but certain, but

delayed. A more precise timing can be found using the Navamsa Narayana dasa.

I hope the above helps....... :^)Best regards,RobertPS There is more,

especially on the subject of Argalas, that is important too. I'll respond on

that, if you or others are interested.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

Ph: 541.318.0248Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo

, send an email to:

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Dear Robyn,

That is some excellent predictive work - lets see if I can add anything

to what you have written as follows:

At 08:55 PM 4/1/03 +0100, you wrote:

Sanjay Rath (Crux of

Vedic Astrology: pp 262) "Venus and Moon are the chief watery

elements that promote marriage. The Lord of the seventh from Venus and

the planets conjoining or aspecting Venus give marriage". Now,

considering that you have suggested that the Narayana Dasa sub period of

Cancer might be more auspicious for marriage/relationship, it is

therefore pertinent to see that in the sub period of Gemini narayana dasa

(Upapada lagna period), Cancer, Cancer is also the seventh from Venus in

my natal chart. So...it appears that the subperiod of Cancer is when this

event will take place. And since the Moon owns Cancer, it meets both

these principles as outlined by Sanjay Rath.

Yes, very good. Now, there are a couple of additional points that

need to be born in mind when predicting relationships, as well as most

general events using Narayana and other rasi dasas. These are as

follows:

1. Note which signs/planets are being aspected by the Arudha lagna

(which is Taurus in your case). The Arudha lagna has special

meanings relative to the public perception or image of a person.

However, it is very key in timing events of a special or notable

description as well. Whenever dasas or sub-periods are aspected by

the Arudha lagna (or its lord) by rasi drishti, then special and

significant events take place during such dasas or sub-periods.

2. Note also which signs give Argala to the Upapada lagna.

Argala means intervention, and it also means "bolt", i.e. signs

or planets in them causing Argala, superimpose or lock themselves on

other signs/houses for which they have Argala. There are both

benefic, as well as malefic Argalas, and there are primary and secondary

ones as well. These are:

Primary Argala (intervention) is caused by signs/houses/planets in

the 2nd, 11th, or 4th from another house.

Secondary Argala: is caused by sings/houses/planets in the 5th

or 8th from another house.

Full and benefic Argala is caused by a malefic in the 3rd from a

sign/house/planet.

* Argalas can be obstructed (Virodhargala), by planets in the

following manner:

Planets in the 2nd causing Argala, are obstructed by planets in the

12th

Planets in the 11th causing Argala, are obstructed by planets on the

3rd. Planets in the 4th causing Argala, are obstructed by planets in the

10th.

Planets causing secondary Argala in the 5th, are obstructed by those

in the 9th; and planets in the 8th causing Argala, are obstructed by

those in the 6th.

3. Now, according to Jaimini and Parasara, the dasa of the

sign *in the 2nd from the Upapada lagna* gives marriage during its

period. So the 2nd is noted, as the 2nd from the UL causes Argala

onto it. Further, dasas of signs in trines to the UL, as well

as in its 7th, can give marriage or significant relationships.

Coming back to your chart: Gemini is the UL, whereas Cancer (the

sub-period for which we are predicting a relationship for you), is in the

2nd from UL. That's the first positive point.

Second point is as you have pointed out, i.e. Cancer is in the 7th sign

from Venus, whereas the 7th lord from the lagna (Jupiter) is with Venus

as well. Moon, from the watery sign of Scorpio, aspects all of the

above (by rasi drishti).

Third point - and very importantly - the Arudha lagna Taurus, aspects

(by rasi [sign] aspects) both the sign of Cancer, as well as Venus and

Jupiter. It matters too that the lord of the ascendant Mercury

is there as well. If the lord of the ascendant conjoins, he

stimulates a particular event to take place during the related dasas and

sub-periods. Finally, Mercury is the Darakaraka in your chart, thus

contributing greatly to the possibilities of a partnership.

Fourth point: 12th lord Sun joining them, plus the aspect of Rahu

from the lagna, indicate that the partner is from a foreign country, i.e.

foreign to your country or culture of birth.

Now for the transits:

Now, where is Venus

transitting during this time? (25th June, 2005) Venus is transitting

Cancer at this time together with important planets (based on past

relationships) is Saturn (bringing people together for the purposes of

karma) and Mercury (my Darapada). Not only this, Jupiter is transitting

my ascendant with Mars and Rahu in 7th house. It appears pretty certain

that some relationship of importance must take place at this time. On top

of this, Sun (my AK) is transitting my Upapada lagna (Gemini) on that

date as well. Sun in UL was in the same place for my first

marriage.

Yes, in fact Sanjay made reference to the Sun's transit over the Narayana

dasa sign of a particular house of the chart, as a sort of

"harbinger" of events to come. This is good feedback, and

useful for future research as well.

Most notable here, is that Jupiter will be transiting the ascendant

(Virgo) as of 8/27/2004, whereas the Narayana dasa sub-period of Cn

starts earlier that month. This is good timing, as Jupiter assures

that something auspicious will take place relative to the houses that he

rules in the birth chart, i.e. 4th and 7th.

Where was Jupiter transiting at the time of your first marriage?

Also, what were the Narayana dasa and sub-period at that time?

Note that Jupiter's transit in Leo - from July 2003 to August 2004 - is

not auspicious for relationships, and should instead be reserved for your

study of Jyotish and allied topics. The corresponding

Narayana dasa sub-periods, i.e. Virgo and Leo, will not be good either,

as mentioned yesterday. Cancer sub-period, while Jupiter transits

the ascendant, however, will be ideal, and your ship should come in at

that time.

Regarding Rahu's transits: By experience, it is found that either

of Rahu or Ketu transits the 7th house when a relationship of importance

comes up. Of course, more research on this would be necessary

before pronouncing a "rule". Anyway, in my experience, it

happens frequently.

I have not looked at

the navamsa chart as yet which is obviously the most important. But, as a

start, how does this analysis stand up to some of the princples? Tear it

apart if necesary please.

This is excellent, Robyn, and illustrates the principles clearly.

Perhaps tomorrow we can look at the Navamsa, as well as Lagna Kendradi

Rasi dasa, a very important one for timing the results of auspicious

karmas.

All the best,

Robert

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

visit

<http://www.robertkoch.com>

and,

http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com

or

Ph: 541.318.0248

[Guest guest]

Dear Robert,

 

You wrote:

 

"Where was Jupiter transiting at the time of your first marriage? Also, what

were the Narayana dasa and sub-period at that time? "

 

 

This becomes more intriguing we as go on.

 

Jupiter and Ketu were transitting my natal lagna (and of course, Rahu in 7th) at

the time of my first marriage. The Narayana Dasa at that time was Capricorn

(which is occupied of course by Me (Darakaraka), Sun (AK and current Vim Dasa

Lord), Jupiter (owner of 4th and 7th) and Venus (Lord of Aruda Lagna).

 

The Narayana sub period appears (according to my calcs on Hora Light) to have

been Aries, but I am not sure about this. It could have been Pisces. I would

appreciate a confirmation of this.

 

I made a fundamental error in my first calculations in that I put the projected

date of marriage outside the time period of Cancer (sub period of Narayana

dasa). I shall have to go back to the drawing board and come up with a better

prediction here based on this further info you have given me.

 

Give me some time and I shall get back to you with another analysis. I am new to

Argala, so I need some time.

 

Poor man! I wonder if *he* knows about this projected marriage?? (LOL) He would

have to be "foreign" (Rahu in 7th).

 

Best

Robyn

 

 

 

 

 

-

Robert A. Koch

gjlist

Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:50 AM

Re: [GJ] Powered-up Venus - April 2003

Dear Robyn, That is some excellent predictive work - lets see if I can add

anything to what you have written as follows: At 08:55 PM 4/1/03 +0100, you

wrote:

Sanjay Rath (Crux of Vedic Astrology: pp 262) "Venus and Moon are the chief

watery elements that promote marriage. The Lord of the seventh from Venus and

the planets conjoining or aspecting Venus give marriage". Now, considering that

you have suggested that the Narayana Dasa sub period of Cancer might be more

auspicious for marriage/relationship, it is therefore pertinent to see that in

the sub period of Gemini narayana dasa (Upapada lagna period), Cancer, Cancer

is also the seventh from Venus in my natal chart. So...it appears that the

subperiod of Cancer is when this event will take place. And since the Moon owns

Cancer, it meets both these principles as outlined by Sanjay Rath. Yes, very

good. Now, there are a couple of additional points that need to be born in

mind when predicting relationships, as well as most general events using

Narayana and other rasi dasas. These are as follows: 1. Note which

signs/planets are being aspected by the Arudha lagna (which is Taurus in your

case). The Arudha lagna has special meanings relative to the public perception

or image of a person. However, it is very key in timing events of a special or

notable description as well. Whenever dasas or sub-periods are aspected by the

Arudha lagna (or its lord) by rasi drishti, then special and significant events

take place during such dasas or sub-periods. 2. Note also which signs give

Argala to the Upapada lagna. Argala means intervention, and it also means

"bolt", i.e. signs or planets in them causing Argala, superimpose or lock

themselves on other signs/houses for which they have Argala. There are both

benefic, as well as malefic Argalas, and there are primary and secondary ones

as well. These are:

Primary Argala (intervention) is caused by signs/houses/planets in the 2nd,

11th, or 4th from another house.

Secondary Argala: is caused by sings/houses/planets in the 5th or 8th from

another house.

Full and benefic Argala is caused by a malefic in the 3rd from a sign/house/planet.

* Argalas can be obstructed (Virodhargala), by planets in the following manner:

Planets in the 2nd causing Argala, are obstructed by planets in the 12th Planets

in the 11th causing Argala, are obstructed by planets on the 3rd. Planets in the

4th causing Argala, are obstructed by planets in the 10th.

Planets causing secondary Argala in the 5th, are obstructed by those in the 9th;

and planets in the 8th causing Argala, are obstructed by those in the 6th.3.

Now, according to Jaimini and Parasara, the dasa of the sign *in the 2nd from

the Upapada lagna* gives marriage during its period. So the 2nd is noted, as

the 2nd from the UL causes Argala onto it. Further, dasas of signs in trines

to the UL, as well as in its 7th, can give marriage or significant

relationships. Coming back to your chart: Gemini is the UL, whereas Cancer

(the sub-period for which we are predicting a relationship for you), is in the

2nd from UL. That's the first positive point. Second point is as you have

pointed out, i.e. Cancer is in the 7th sign from Venus, whereas the 7th lord

from the lagna (Jupiter) is with Venus as well. Moon, from the watery sign of

Scorpio, aspects all of the above (by rasi drishti). Third point - and very

importantly - the Arudha lagna Taurus, aspects (by rasi [sign] aspects) both

the sign of Cancer, as well as Venus and Jupiter. It matters too that the lord

of the ascendant Mercury is there as well. If the lord of the ascendant

conjoins, he stimulates a particular event to take place during the related

dasas and sub-periods. Finally, Mercury is the Darakaraka in your chart, thus

contributing greatly to the possibilities of a partnership. Fourth point:

12th lord Sun joining them, plus the aspect of Rahu from the lagna, indicate

that the partner is from a foreign country, i.e. foreign to your country or

culture of birth. Now for the transits:

Now, where is Venus transitting during this time? (25th June, 2005) Venus is

transitting Cancer at this time together with important planets (based on past

relationships) is Saturn (bringing people together for the purposes of karma)

and Mercury (my Darapada). Not only this, Jupiter is transitting my ascendant

with Mars and Rahu in 7th house. It appears pretty certain that some

relationship of importance must take place at this time. On top of this, Sun

(my AK) is transitting my Upapada lagna (Gemini) on that date as well. Sun in

UL was in the same place for my first marriage.Yes, in fact Sanjay made

reference to the Sun's transit over the Narayana dasa sign of a particular

house of the chart, as a sort of "harbinger" of events to come. This is good

feedback, and useful for future research as well. Most notable here, is that

Jupiter will be transiting the ascendant (Virgo) as of 8/27/2004, whereas the

Narayana dasa sub-period of Cn starts earlier that month. This is good timing,

as Jupiter assures that something auspicious will take place relative to the

houses that he rules in the birth chart, i.e. 4th and 7th. Where was Jupiter

transiting at the time of your first marriage? Also, what were the Narayana

dasa and sub-period at that time? Note that Jupiter's transit in Leo - from

July 2003 to August 2004 - is not auspicious for relationships, and should

instead be reserved for your study of Jyotish and allied topics. The

corresponding Narayana dasa sub-periods, i.e. Virgo and Leo, will not be good

either, as mentioned yesterday. Cancer sub-period, while Jupiter transits the

ascendant, however, will be ideal, and your ship should come in at that time.

Regarding Rahu's transits: By experience, it is found that either of Rahu or

Ketu transits the 7th house when a relationship of importance comes up. Of

course, more research on this would be necessary before pronouncing a "rule".

Anyway, in my experience, it happens frequently.

I have not looked at the navamsa chart as yet which is obviously the most

important. But, as a start, how does this analysis stand up to some of the

princples? Tear it apart if necesary please.This is excellent, Robyn, and

illustrates the principles clearly. Perhaps tomorrow we can look at the

Navamsa, as well as Lagna Kendradi Rasi dasa, a very important one for timing

the results of auspicious karmas. All the best,Robert

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

Ph: 541.318.0248Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo

, send an email to:

gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of

is subject to the

[Guest guest]

Dear Robyn,

At 03:53 PM 4/2/03 +0100, you wrote:

Dear

Robert,

 

You wrote:

 

"Where was Jupiter transiting at the time of your first

marriage? Also, what were the Narayana dasa and sub-period at that

time? "

 

 

This becomes more intriguing we as go on.

 

Jupiter and Ketu were transitting my natal

lagna (and of course, Rahu in 7th) at the time of my first marriage. The

Narayana Dasa at that time was Capricorn (which is occupied of course by

Me (Darakaraka), Sun (AK and current Vim Dasa Lord), Jupiter (owner of

4th and 7th) and Venus (Lord of Aruda Lagna).

Jupiter's transit position on the lagna is natural to give marriage, as

he not only rules the natal 7th, but also aspects it at that time.

Rahu/Ketu, as I mentioned yesterday, are frequently, if not almost always

on the 1/7 axis at such times.

 

The Narayana sub

period appears (according to my calcs on Hora Light) to have been Aries,

but I am not sure about this. It could have been Pisces. I would

appreciate a confirmation of this.

What was the exact date of the marriage? I will look it up for

you.

 

I made a fundamental

error in my first calculations in that I put the projected date of

marriage outside the time period of Cancer (sub period of Narayana dasa).

I shall have to go back to the drawing board and come up with a better

prediction here based on this further info you have given me.

 

Give me some time and I shall get back to you

with another analysis. I am new to Argala, so I need some

time.

The time frame for the Cancer sub-period overlapped the time when Jupiter

enters your lagna. This puts the possibility anywhere after August

of 2004............anyway, see what else you can come up with.

Poor man! I wonder

if *he* knows about this projected marriage?? (LOL) He would have to be

"foreign" (Rahu in 7th).

Fortunately Venus is more discreet than that! Most people don't

"know" until they're in it.......

Best of luck

Robert

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Dear Robert,

 

You wrote:

 

What was the exact date of the marriage? I will look it up for you.

 

The date of the marriage was 28 th June, 1969 at about 3.30 pm.

 

Glad to hear that Venus is discreet!

Will get back.

Best

Robyn

 

 

 

 

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Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:48 PM

Re: [GJ] Powered-up Venus - April 2003

Dear Robyn, At 03:53 PM 4/2/03 +0100, you wrote:

Dear Robert, You wrote: "Where was Jupiter transiting at the time of your first

marriage? Also, what were the Narayana dasa and sub-period at that time? "

This becomes more intriguing we as go on. Jupiter and Ketu were transitting my

natal lagna (and of course, Rahu in 7th) at the time of my first marriage. The

Narayana Dasa at that time was Capricorn (which is occupied of course by Me

(Darakaraka), Sun (AK and current Vim Dasa Lord), Jupiter (owner of 4th and

7th) and Venus (Lord of Aruda Lagna). Jupiter's transit position on the lagna

is natural to give marriage, as he not only rules the natal 7th, but also

aspects it at that time. Rahu/Ketu, as I mentioned yesterday, are frequently,

if not almost always on the 1/7 axis at such times.

The Narayana sub period appears (according to my calcs on Hora Light) to have

been Aries, but I am not sure about this. It could have been Pisces. I would

appreciate a confirmation of this. What was the exact date of the marriage? I

will look it up for you.

I made a fundamental error in my first calculations in that I put the projected

date of marriage outside the time period of Cancer (sub period of Narayana

dasa). I shall have to go back to the drawing board and come up with a better

prediction here based on this further info you have given me. Give me some

time and I shall get back to you with another analysis. I am new to Argala, so

I need some time.The time frame for the Cancer sub-period overlapped the time

when Jupiter enters your lagna. This puts the possibility anywhere after

August of 2004............anyway, see what else you can come up with.

Poor man! I wonder if *he* knows about this projected marriage?? (LOL) He would

have to be "foreign" (Rahu in 7th). Fortunately Venus is more discreet than

that! Most people don't "know" until they're in it.......Best of luckRobert

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Dear Robyn,

At 08:05 PM 4/2/03 +0100, you wrote:

Dear

Robert,

 

You wrote:

 

What was the exact date of the marriage? I will look it up for

you.

 

The date of the marriage was 28 th June, 1969

at about 3.30 pm.

The Narayana dasa was Cancer/Aries. Now, for interpretation, see if

you can pick out some significant things from the following hints:

1. Note the relationship of the Moon and Saturn to the sign of

Aries.

2. Note Saturn's role as the lord of the Upapada lagna in the

Navamsa chart; and,

3. Note the signs Cancer and Aries in the Navamsa, how they are

positioned, and their relation to Saturn and UL in the Navamsa.

The above will give significant clues for interpreting the timing of

marriage. See what you can find out........... :^)

Robert

PS Do you feel comfortable giving your birth data to the

list? If so, it would enable others to know what charts we are

looking at.

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Dear Robert,

 

You wrote:

 

PS Do you feel comfortable giving your birth data to the list? If so, it would

enable others to know what charts we are looking at.

 

Of course! Not a problem.

 

Birth data:

 

10th February, 1950

Durban, South Africa

20:20:30

 

Give me some time....this is something to work out.

Best

Robyn (Ramesvari Devi)

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Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:57 PM

Re: [GJ] Powered-up Venus - April 2003

Dear Robyn, At 08:05 PM 4/2/03 +0100, you wrote:

Dear Robert, You wrote: What was the exact date of the marriage? I will look it

up for you. The date of the marriage was 28 th June, 1969 at about 3.30 pm.The

Narayana dasa was Cancer/Aries. Now, for interpretation, see if you can pick

out some significant things from the following hints: 1. Note the

relationship of the Moon and Saturn to the sign of Aries.2. Note Saturn's role

as the lord of the Upapada lagna in the Navamsa chart; and,3. Note the signs

Cancer and Aries in the Navamsa, how they are positioned, and their relation to

Saturn and UL in the Navamsa. The above will give significant clues for

interpreting the timing of marriage. See what you can find out...........

:^)RobertPS Do you feel comfortable giving your birth data to the list? If

so, it would enable others to know what charts we are looking at.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Dear Robert,

 

Below are my findings:

 

You wrote:

 

Now, there are a couple of additional points that need to be born in mind when

predicting relationships, as well as most general events using Narayana and

other rasi dasas. These are as follows: 1. Note which signs/planets are being

aspected by the Arudha lagna (which is Taurus in your case). The Arudha lagna

has special meanings relative to the public perception or image of a person.

However, it is very key in timing events of a special or notable description as

well. Whenever dasas or sub-periods are aspected by the Arudha lagna (or its

lord) by rasi drishti, then special and significant events take place during

such dasas or sub-periods.

 

According to my calculations, the AL is aspecting the signs of Cancer (11th

House), Libra (2nd house) and Capricorn (5th house) by rasi dristi. This means

that the Lords of these houses (Moon, Venus and Saturn) should be involved in

some way in this assessment as well as the planets occupying these houses: the

only one being Capricorn which has Sun/Me/VeR/Ju.

 

So...this means, i presume, that the subperiods of the Moon, Venus, Saturn, Sun,

Mercury and Jupiter should be considered?

 

Wow....quite a lot to choose from!

 

Then...

 

You wrote:

 

2. Note also which signs give Argala to the Upapada lagna. Argala means

intervention, and it also means "bolt", i.e. signs or planets in them causing

Argala, superimpose or lock themselves on other signs/houses for which they

have Argala. There are both benefic, as well as malefic Argalas, and there are

primary and secondary ones as well. These are:

Primary Argala (intervention) is caused by signs/houses/planets in the 2nd,

11th, or 4th from another house.

Secondary Argala: is caused by sings/houses/planets in the 5th or 8th from

another house.

Full and benefic Argala is caused by a malefic in the 3rd from a sign/house/planet.

* Argalas can be obstructed (Virodhargala), by planets in the following manner:

Planets in the 2nd causing Argala, are obstructed by planets in the 12th

Planets in the 11th causing Argala, are obstructed by planets on the 3rd.

Planets in the 4th causing Argala, are obstructed by planets in the 10th.

Planets causing secondary Argala in the 5th, are obstructed by those in the 9th;

and planets in the 8th causing Argala, are obstructed by those in the 6th.

 

We have already noted that my UL is Gemini, the time period of which I am currently running.

So primary argala is caused by the signs of Cancer, Aries, Virgo.

Primary argala is also caused by the houses of 11th, 8th, 1st.

Primary argala is also caused by the planets of Ma/Ke (in first house).

Secondary argala is caused by the signs of Libra and Capricorn

Secondary argala is also caused by the houses (2nd and 5th)

Secondary argala is also caused by the planets VeR/Ju/Su/Mer (in 5th house)

Full and benefic Argala is caused by Saturn in the 3rd from UL.

Planets causing obstruction (Virodhargala) are: (note: I really wasn't sure what

you meant by this. I didn't know if you meant the the 2nd house of natal, or the

2nd house from UL. I took it that you meant the second from UL)

 

there are no planets in either the second or the 12th from UL

no planets in 11th and Saturn in the 3rd

Ma/Ke in the 4th are obstructed by Rahu in the 10th.

no planets causing secondary argala in the 5th, and none in the 9th

Su/Ju/VeR/Me causing secondary argala are obstructed by Mo in Scorp. (I wonder

if that is why my mother opposed my first marriage!!)

 

You wrote:

 

3. Now, according to Jaimini and Parasara, the dasa of the sign *in the 2nd

from the Upapada lagna* gives marriage during its period. So the 2nd is noted,

as the 2nd from the UL causes Argala onto it. Further, dasas of signs in

trines to the UL, as well as in its 7th, can give marriage or significant

relationships.

 

Second my UL is Cancer. So Cancer causes an argala on my UL. The dasas concerned

would be Libra, Aquarius and Sagittarius.

You wrote:

 

Second point is as you have pointed out, i.e. Cancer is in the 7th sign from

Venus, whereas the 7th lord from the lagna (Jupiter) is with Venus as well.

Moon, from the watery sign of Scorpio, aspects all of the above (by rasi

drishti).

 

Already dealt with in previous email

Third point - and very importantly - the Arudha lagna Taurus, aspects (by rasi

[sign] aspects) both the sign of Cancer, as well as Venus and Jupiter. It

matters too that the lord of the ascendant Mercury is there as well. If the

lord of the ascendant conjoins, he stimulates a particular event to take place

during the related dasas and sub-periods. Finally, Mercury is the Darakaraka

in your chart, thus contributing greatly to the possibilities of a partnership.

 

 

Dealt with (see above)

Fourth point: 12th lord Sun joining them, plus the aspect of Rahu from the

lagna, indicate that the partner is from a foreign country, i.e. foreign to

your country or culture of birth.

 

Yes, I am in the Mahadasa of the Sun which owns the 12th house (hence my

emigration to the UK and other foreign travels) and Rahu occupies not only the

7th in rasi but 12th in navamsa (Sagittarius).

 

So...how do I tie up all these pieces?

 

I think I should analyse the navamsa next but could you just check that the

above is on course first? Then I would like to sum up the whole thing and see

what I get. My gut tells me somewhere in September 2004 but the correct time

eludes me as yet.

 

Many thanks

Robyn

 

 

 

 

 

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Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:50 AM

Re: [GJ] Powered-up Venus - April 2003

Dear Robyn, That is some excellent predictive work - lets see if I can add

anything to what you have written as follows: At 08:55 PM 4/1/03 +0100, you

wrote:

Sanjay Rath (Crux of Vedic Astrology: pp 262) "Venus and Moon are the chief

watery elements that promote marriage. The Lord of the seventh from Venus and

the planets conjoining or aspecting Venus give marriage". Now, considering that

you have suggested that the Narayana Dasa sub period of Cancer might be more

auspicious for marriage/relationship, it is therefore pertinent to see that in

the sub period of Gemini narayana dasa (Upapada lagna period), Cancer, Cancer

is also the seventh from Venus in my natal chart. So...it appears that the

subperiod of Cancer is when this event will take place. And since the Moon owns

Cancer, it meets both these principles as outlined by Sanjay Rath. Yes, very

good. Now, there are a couple of additional points that need to be born in

mind when predicting relationships, as well as most general events using

Narayana and other rasi dasas. These are as follows: 1. Note which

signs/planets are being aspected by the Arudha lagna (which is Taurus in your

case). The Arudha lagna has special meanings relative to the public perception

or image of a person. However, it is very key in timing events of a special or

notable description as well. Whenever dasas or sub-periods are aspected by the

Arudha lagna (or its lord) by rasi drishti, then special and significant events

take place during such dasas or sub-periods. 2. Note also which signs give

Argala to the Upapada lagna. Argala means intervention, and it also means

"bolt", i.e. signs or planets in them causing Argala, superimpose or lock

themselves on other signs/houses for which they have Argala. There are both

benefic, as well as malefic Argalas, and there are primary and secondary ones

as well. These are:

Primary Argala (intervention) is caused by signs/houses/planets in the 2nd,

11th, or 4th from another house.

Secondary Argala: is caused by sings/houses/planets in the 5th or 8th from

another house.

Full and benefic Argala is caused by a malefic in the 3rd from a sign/house/planet.

* Argalas can be obstructed (Virodhargala), by planets in the following manner:

Planets in the 2nd causing Argala, are obstructed by planets in the 12th Planets

in the 11th causing Argala, are obstructed by planets on the 3rd. Planets in the

4th causing Argala, are obstructed by planets in the 10th.

Planets causing secondary Argala in the 5th, are obstructed by those in the 9th;

and planets in the 8th causing Argala, are obstructed by those in the 6th.3.

Now, according to Jaimini and Parasara, the dasa of the sign *in the 2nd from

the Upapada lagna* gives marriage during its period. So the 2nd is noted, as

the 2nd from the UL causes Argala onto it. Further, dasas of signs in trines

to the UL, as well as in its 7th, can give marriage or significant

relationships. Coming back to your chart: Gemini is the UL, whereas Cancer

(the sub-period for which we are predicting a relationship for you), is in the

2nd from UL. That's the first positive point. Second point is as you have

pointed out, i.e. Cancer is in the 7th sign from Venus, whereas the 7th lord

from the lagna (Jupiter) is with Venus as well. Moon, from the watery sign of

Scorpio, aspects all of the above (by rasi drishti). Third point - and very

importantly - the Arudha lagna Taurus, aspects (by rasi [sign] aspects) both

the sign of Cancer, as well as Venus and Jupiter. It matters too that the lord

of the ascendant Mercury is there as well. If the lord of the ascendant

conjoins, he stimulates a particular event to take place during the related

dasas and sub-periods. Finally, Mercury is the Darakaraka in your chart, thus

contributing greatly to the possibilities of a partnership. Fourth point:

12th lord Sun joining them, plus the aspect of Rahu from the lagna, indicate

that the partner is from a foreign country, i.e. foreign to your country or

culture of birth. Now for the transits:

Now, where is Venus transitting during this time? (25th June, 2005) Venus is

transitting Cancer at this time together with important planets (based on past

relationships) is Saturn (bringing people together for the purposes of karma)

and Mercury (my Darapada). Not only this, Jupiter is transitting my ascendant

with Mars and Rahu in 7th house. It appears pretty certain that some

relationship of importance must take place at this time. On top of this, Sun

(my AK) is transitting my Upapada lagna (Gemini) on that date as well. Sun in

UL was in the same place for my first marriage.Yes, in fact Sanjay made

reference to the Sun's transit over the Narayana dasa sign of a particular

house of the chart, as a sort of "harbinger" of events to come. This is good

feedback, and useful for future research as well. Most notable here, is that

Jupiter will be transiting the ascendant (Virgo) as of 8/27/2004, whereas the

Narayana dasa sub-period of Cn starts earlier that month. This is good timing,

as Jupiter assures that something auspicious will take place relative to the

houses that he rules in the birth chart, i.e. 4th and 7th. Where was Jupiter

transiting at the time of your first marriage? Also, what were the Narayana

dasa and sub-period at that time? Note that Jupiter's transit in Leo - from

July 2003 to August 2004 - is not auspicious for relationships, and should

instead be reserved for your study of Jyotish and allied topics. The

corresponding Narayana dasa sub-periods, i.e. Virgo and Leo, will not be good

either, as mentioned yesterday. Cancer sub-period, while Jupiter transits the

ascendant, however, will be ideal, and your ship should come in at that time.

Regarding Rahu's transits: By experience, it is found that either of Rahu or

Ketu transits the 7th house when a relationship of importance comes up. Of

course, more research on this would be necessary before pronouncing a "rule".

Anyway, in my experience, it happens frequently.

I have not looked at the navamsa chart as yet which is obviously the most

important. But, as a start, how does this analysis stand up to some of the

princples? Tear it apart if necesary please.This is excellent, Robyn, and

illustrates the principles clearly. Perhaps tomorrow we can look at the

Navamsa, as well as Lagna Kendradi Rasi dasa, a very important one for timing

the results of auspicious karmas. All the best,Robert

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Dear Robert,

You have written:--

.. For purposes of Phalita, or results of karmas, Rahu is exalted

in Gemini, whereas for longevity and matters related to death,

Rahu is exalted in Taurus.

Does the same apply for ketu too? I mean exaltation in

saggitarius and scorpio respectively.

Best wishes,

vivek.

 

On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 Robert A. Koch wrote :

>Dear Robyn,

>

>Thanks for your interesting questions regarding Rahu and

>relationships.

>

>As you've already pointed out, Rahu in an of itself is not going

>to destroy all hopes of a good relationship, just because he is

>positioned in the 7th house. The Rahu/Ketu axis running along

>the 1st and 7th houses is, however, a bit of a challenge in this

>area, facing which some deep and significant lessons come to the

>native. There are a number of interesting facts re: Rahu and

>relationships that I want to run by you first, and then I will

>give you my opinions on how the karma associated with Rahu can be

>modified by other factors:

>

>Rahu is strong in Venusian signs, as well as all other signs

>which are friendly to Venus. For purposes of Phalita, or results

>of karmas, Rahu is exalted in Gemini, whereas for longevity and

>matters related to death, Rahu is exalted in Taurus. Either way,

>the Venus/Saturn/Mercury group of natural planetary friendships,

>are all congenial and quite comfortable with Rahu.

>

>Rahu thus causes marriage in his dasas, especially the Vim. dasa

>of Rahu/Venus, or the dasa of Venus/Rahu. Saturn, ruling the

>wheel of time, brings people together as a matter of fate of

>destiny, and given his kinship with Rahu, causes marriages and

>relationships to come to pass according to a pre-determined

>time-line. This brings to mind the principle, that much more of

>relationships are destined, than otherwise. Within specific

>karmic parameters, free-will and self-determination are important

>to modify old patterns of behavior, the results of which one has

>had to take birth again to resolve. Thus with Rahu, specific

>karmic purposes are carried out through the relationship, and

>thus even if one is in an awkward or uncomfortable situation, his

>or her perseverance (and not running away) is its own reward, and

>serves the true purpose of the union in the final analysis.

>

>MODIFICATIONS

>

>* The aspect, or Argala, of natural benefics, to Rahu and the 7th

>house will modify the sting of karmas associated with them.

>

>* Apart from the 7th house, Venus, and Jupiter, the following

>factors are also very important in the judgment of not only the

>type of destiny w.r.t. relationships, but also the times of their

>occurrence:

>1. The Upapada lagna, or Arudha of the 12th house and its

>trines

>2. The Darapada, or Arudha of the 7th house and its trines

>3. The Darakaraka, or planet lowest in degrees in its sign.

>4. All the above in the Navamsa chart

>

>Now, especially with Narayana dasa, or other rasi dasas such as

>Lagna Kendradi rasi dasa, there should be a trinal relationship

>with the Upapada lagna, in order for relationships and marriage

>at a particular time in life, to be of karmic significance. The

>Darapada may indicate relationships of a less serious or

>committed nature, while the Upapada lagna will indicate marriage

>or other long-term commitments. Anyway, see if the rasi dasa

>current, or its lord, is in a good relation with either of these

>padas. If so, and if benefics especially Venus, the Moon, and

>Jupiter are harmonious in their relation also, then the

>corresponding segment of life may bring the desired union.

>

>Now, in your case, the Narayana dasa is of Gemini, which is

>directly the Upapada lagna for you. This is why you are thinking

>about it now, as the time frame activates the potential of the

>UL. However, Rahu/Ketu/Mars being in aspect to Gemini, may

>represent either frustration, or the experience of

>manipulation/deception/abuse, or "on today, off tomorrow"

>scenarios so far as past or recent partners were concerned.

>Partners in this sense, also includes those in business

>situations. With such a natal "footprint" so far as relationship

>situations are concerned, you are then advised to wait until (1)

>a more auspicious sub-period occurs; and (2) when Jupiter

>transits favorably with respect to the major and sub-period

>signs. The same should be observed so far as Vimsottari dasa is

>concerned as well.

>

>My advice is to lie low for now, as the respective Narayana dasa

>sub-periods of Virgo, then Leo, are not at all auspicious, even

>if Jupiter is transiting in Cancer for the time being. The

>sub-period of Cancer, however, will be more auspicious, as all

>the natal benefics will be in the 7th from it. This starts

>8/14/04, and lasts until 3/12/05.

>

>As you have already noted, the position of Jupiter exalted in the

>Navamsa 7th house is quite nice, and does show that the potential

>for a meaningful relationship in life does exist. Further,

>benefics including Venus being positioned in all four kendras of

>your Navamsa, is more than auspicious too. Note the aspect of

>Saturn, however, to the 7th house, as the lord of the Navamsa

>Upapada lagna. This means that another marriage is all but

>certain, but delayed. A more precise timing can be found using

>the Navamsa Narayana dasa.

>

>I hope the above helps....... :^)

>Best regards,

>Robert

>

>PS There is more, especially on the subject of Argalas, that is

>important too. I'll respond on that, if you or others are

>interested.

>

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

>Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

>visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

>http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

>Ph: 541.318.0248