Guest guest Posted March 15, 1994 Report Share Posted March 15, 1994 Om Gurave Namah Dear Robyn Try 2:52' PM..The Prasna indicated euther Libra or Aries Lagna, and I felt Aries would be the right one. The Tapaswi Yoga in the Rasi chart makes one appear as a recluse. Other indications are that such seclusion is self imposed as he is very independant in his thinking, rather unpredictable and the schizophrenia is superficial caused due to chronic depression resulting from self imposed seclusion. I don't think any of the parents exhibits this as much as him although there is some indication of the mother being a serious peron, preferring seclusion and this gene seems to have grown more in him. He does seem to have an aristrocratic background, but that also troubles him. The only way to get over the problem is to start playing some musical instrument...that is the ONLY way out. Water navamsa...not string instruments thats fire navamsa, not drums thats earth navamsa...any other types..flute, wind pipes are air navamsa..something soft..harmoniam or violin maybe..perhaps someone can suggest this. Did this man ever learn any technical skill, like say engineering or some machine? He has every reason to fear that he will go to the Devil after death - AK Rahu conjoins the Sun in Lagnamsa/Karakamsa. But do tell him that there is no hell. Venus nees to be propitiated and his wife is very good for him. With best regards, Sanjay Rath __________ Mail: H-5 B.J.B. Nagar, Bhubaneswar, OR 751014, India Web: http://srath.com SJC Web: http://.org Dear Group, I have a challenge i would like to throw out to the group. This is the birth data of a man who comes from an extremely aristocratic English family (can trace their roots back to the early 1200's), and has been diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia. He is an extremely timid individual, highly sensitive, tall with balding hair and glasses (very weak eye sight), and says he fears that he is in the grip of 'the devil' and fears he will go to hell on his death. I have hazarded a guess of a Cancer lagna judging from his appearance, etc. That he has had problems in his life there is no doubt. He only managed to get married at the age of 60 and has now been married for three years although he still appears to live, as he calls it, a disconnected life. He feels he cannot connect with other human beings and feels a complete outsider to society. He is a devote believer in the Christian faith (High Anglican). He has never managed to hold down a job for any length of time and he says one of his main problems is a complete lack of ambition or interest in anything. Luckily he has been able to be supported entirely by his family's wealth. He is extremely well read and once wrote a lot of poetry which was published. He has asked me if there is any way Jyotish could help him. I keep coming across interesting cases in England for which there is no birth time and I find this incredibly frustrating. Is there anyone who could give a calculated assessment of what this man's lagna is? Although one can read the chart from the Chandra lagna, it would help if one could arrive at an estimated birth time. His birth data: Born York, England 30 November, 1939 Many thanks Robyn Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 Dear Group, I have a challenge i would like to throw out to the group. This is the birth data of a man who comes from an extremely aristocratic English family (can trace their roots back to the early 1200's), and has been diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia. He is an extremely timid individual, highly sensitive, tall with balding hair and glasses (very weak eye sight), and says he fears that he is in the grip of 'the devil' and fears he will go to hell on his death. I have hazarded a guess of a Cancer lagna judging from his appearance, etc. That he has had problems in his life there is no doubt. He only managed to get married at the age of 60 and has now been married for three years although he still appears to live, as he calls it, a disconnected life. He feels he cannot connect with other human beings and feels a complete outsider to society. He is a devote believer in the Christian faith (High Anglican). He has never managed to hold down a job for any length of time and he says one of his main problems is a complete lack of ambition or interest in anything. Luckily he has been able to be supported entirely by his family's wealth. He is extremely well read and once wrote a lot of poetry which was published. He has asked me if there is any way Jyotish could help him. I keep coming across interesting cases in England for which there is no birth time and I find this incredibly frustrating. Is there anyone who could give a calculated assessment of what this man's lagna is? Although one can read the chart from the Chandra lagna, it would help if one could arrive at an estimated birth time. His birth data: Born York, England 30 November, 1939 Many thanks Robyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 Dear Robyn, What I would suggest is that you get info on onset of schizophrenia- it's considered 'genetic' problem nowadays, with it's amazing /to me/ facets, which may defy /proper/ diagnosis- Autism can be one of them. Out-of-world contacts as well.. Although I do not like dwelling on curses in 'normal'' situations, I've had a strong impression /while dealing with SCH/ that SCH is somehow realted to 'family curses'- '/like one is ''çhosen'' to 'suck' bad karma for orhers who seem to be unaffected at first generation, at least, but next would be, etc../ Ilness is terribly resistant to any therapy- the only thing that I've seen working is of religious nature. /and parents-family active role in it/ Would they give up some wealth, expose themselves to some 'volunteer'sacrifices, etc- this is more for illustration purposes, not a recommendation /he's too old anyway/ Since the TOB is unknown in this case, I would suggest geting info on grand- /or grand-grand/ family members /which may provide the ''clue"- And sure it's Moon Illness- either connection with fixed stars, or similar...So, again Onset of ilness seems important. Hope this helps. Robyn are you in SA, still? Warmest regards, Anna - Ms RE Simpson gjlist Saturday, March 15, 2003 10:46 AM [GJ] schizophrenia Dear Group, I have a challenge i would like to throw out to the group. This is the birth data of a man who comes from an extremely aristocratic English family (can trace their roots back to the early 1200's), and has been diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia. He is an extremely timid individual, highly sensitive, tall with balding hair and glasses (very weak eye sight), and says he fears that he is in the grip of 'the devil' and fears he will go to hell on his death. I have hazarded a guess of a Cancer lagna judging from his appearance, etc. That he has had problems in his life there is no doubt. He only managed to get married at the age of 60 and has now been married for three years although he still appears to live, as he calls it, a disconnected life. He feels he cannot connect with other human beings and feels a complete outsider to society. He is a devote believer in the Christian faith (High Anglican). He has never managed to hold down a job for any length of time and he says one of his main problems is a complete lack of ambition or interest in anything. Luckily he has been able to be supported entirely by his family's wealth. He is extremely well read and once wrote a lot of poetry which was published. He has asked me if there is any way Jyotish could help him. I keep coming across interesting cases in England for which there is no birth time and I find this incredibly frustrating. Is there anyone who could give a calculated assessment of what this man's lagna is? Although one can read the chart from the Chandra lagna, it would help if one could arrive at an estimated birth time. His birth data: Born York, England 30 November, 1939 Many thanks Robyn Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 Dear Anna, Good to hear from you again. No, I am living and working in the UK. This man has been long diagnosed with the disease by his brother who is an imminent surgeon in London. His mother, was born on 29th October, 1912 but there again is no birth time. She is still alive. Thats the only data i have. I just wanted to see if someone could diagnose schizophrenia from the available data and then take it from there. Once one could identify what is the lagna, one could progress in the analysis of the chart, at least to a certain degree. If one could not see schizophrenia in the chart, then...it would be an interesting scenario. I think, without delving too deeply, the illness was diagnosed early ie teenage years. Best wishes Robyn - A.R gjlist Saturday, March 15, 2003 4:35 PM Re: [GJ] schizophrenia Dear Robyn, What I would suggest is that you get info on onset of schizophrenia- it's considered 'genetic' problem nowadays, with it's amazing /to me/ facets, which may defy /proper/ diagnosis- Autism can be one of them. Out-of-world contacts as well.. Although I do not like dwelling on curses in 'normal'' situations, I've had a strong impression /while dealing with SCH/ that SCH is somehow realted to 'family curses'- '/like one is ''çhosen'' to 'suck' bad karma for orhers who seem to be unaffected at first generation, at least, but next would be, etc../ Ilness is terribly resistant to any therapy- the only thing that I've seen working is of religious nature. /and parents-family active role in it/ Would they give up some wealth, expose themselves to some 'volunteer'sacrifices, etc- this is more for illustration purposes, not a recommendation /he's too old anyway/ Since the TOB is unknown in this case, I would suggest geting info on grand- /or grand-grand/ family members /which may provide the ''clue"- And sure it's Moon Illness- either connection with fixed stars, or similar...So, again Onset of ilness seems important. Hope this helps. Robyn are you in SA, still? Warmest regards, Anna - Ms RE Simpson gjlist Saturday, March 15, 2003 10:46 AM [GJ] schizophrenia Dear Group, I have a challenge i would like to throw out to the group. This is the birth data of a man who comes from an extremely aristocratic English family (can trace their roots back to the early 1200's), and has been diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia. He is an extremely timid individual, highly sensitive, tall with balding hair and glasses (very weak eye sight), and says he fears that he is in the grip of 'the devil' and fears he will go to hell on his death. I have hazarded a guess of a Cancer lagna judging from his appearance, etc. That he has had problems in his life there is no doubt. He only managed to get married at the age of 60 and has now been married for three years although he still appears to live, as he calls it, a disconnected life. He feels he cannot connect with other human beings and feels a complete outsider to society. He is a devote believer in the Christian faith (High Anglican). He has never managed to hold down a job for any length of time and he says one of his main problems is a complete lack of ambition or interest in anything. Luckily he has been able to be supported entirely by his family's wealth. He is extremely well read and once wrote a lot of poetry which was published. He has asked me if there is any way Jyotish could help him. I keep coming across interesting cases in England for which there is no birth time and I find this incredibly frustrating. Is there anyone who could give a calculated assessment of what this man's lagna is? Although one can read the chart from the Chandra lagna, it would help if one could arrive at an estimated birth time. His birth data: Born York, England 30 November, 1939 Many thanks Robyn Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 Anna, Something important I forgot to tell you. This man's father was killed in the Second World War (obviously just after his birth or a couple of years into his life). His mother remarried his father's best friend who became his step-father. I think this is pertinent appropo curses to the father (I don't like to dwell on curses either but sometimes it seems unavoidable). This man's whole life (in his own words) has felt as if it were cursed from the beginning. He also has an extraordinarily distant interaction with his mother but strives still to attain her affection and response. Yes, and I agree with you - it feels as if he has been 'picked' to suck off the neurosis of the family. I got that distinct impression when watching the interactions. I feel for him. Notwithstanding RD Laing's work (Sanity, Madness and the Family), and the recent findings on genetic inheritance, I would say that from the perspective of Jyotish, there are curses at work here. I would like to identify (via Jyotish) the diagnosis and what, from an ancient perspective, he suffers from. (i personally believe that the diagnosis of schizophrenia was handed out too willy-nilly in earlier years: see biography of New Zealand writer Janet Frame). Thanks for the help Robyn - A.R gjlist Saturday, March 15, 2003 4:35 PM Re: [GJ] schizophrenia Dear Robyn, What I would suggest is that you get info on onset of schizophrenia- it's considered 'genetic' problem nowadays, with it's amazing /to me/ facets, which may defy /proper/ diagnosis- Autism can be one of them. Out-of-world contacts as well.. Although I do not like dwelling on curses in 'normal'' situations, I've had a strong impression /while dealing with SCH/ that SCH is somehow realted to 'family curses'- '/like one is ''çhosen'' to 'suck' bad karma for orhers who seem to be unaffected at first generation, at least, but next would be, etc../ Ilness is terribly resistant to any therapy- the only thing that I've seen working is of religious nature. /and parents-family active role in it/ Would they give up some wealth, expose themselves to some 'volunteer'sacrifices, etc- this is more for illustration purposes, not a recommendation /he's too old anyway/ Since the TOB is unknown in this case, I would suggest geting info on grand- /or grand-grand/ family members /which may provide the ''clue"- And sure it's Moon Illness- either connection with fixed stars, or similar...So, again Onset of ilness seems important. Hope this helps. Robyn are you in SA, still? Warmest regards, Anna - Ms RE Simpson gjlist Saturday, March 15, 2003 10:46 AM [GJ] schizophrenia Dear Group, I have a challenge i would like to throw out to the group. This is the birth data of a man who comes from an extremely aristocratic English family (can trace their roots back to the early 1200's), and has been diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia. He is an extremely timid individual, highly sensitive, tall with balding hair and glasses (very weak eye sight), and says he fears that he is in the grip of 'the devil' and fears he will go to hell on his death. I have hazarded a guess of a Cancer lagna judging from his appearance, etc. That he has had problems in his life there is no doubt. He only managed to get married at the age of 60 and has now been married for three years although he still appears to live, as he calls it, a disconnected life. He feels he cannot connect with other human beings and feels a complete outsider to society. He is a devote believer in the Christian faith (High Anglican). He has never managed to hold down a job for any length of time and he says one of his main problems is a complete lack of ambition or interest in anything. Luckily he has been able to be supported entirely by his family's wealth. He is extremely well read and once wrote a lot of poetry which was published. He has asked me if there is any way Jyotish could help him. I keep coming across interesting cases in England for which there is no birth time and I find this incredibly frustrating. Is there anyone who could give a calculated assessment of what this man's lagna is? Although one can read the chart from the Chandra lagna, it would help if one could arrive at an estimated birth time. His birth data: Born York, England 30 November, 1939 Many thanks Robyn Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 Dear Robyn, I still have computer problem- by the end of next week it will hopefully be OK- I'll do the chart then and share my ''ruminations'on curses with you. Yea, I understand your feeling for this person- most of the time I HAD strong feeling on the çurrent in SCH-client life and strong 'motherly' feeling..- but I'd like to have it all in astro-jyoutish perspective, I''ll do all the charts, ten we can talk. Thanks for providing us this case. Love, Anna - Ms RE Simpson gjlist Saturday, March 15, 2003 10:46 AM [GJ] schizophrenia Dear Group, I have a challenge i would like to throw out to the group. This is the birth data of a man who comes from an extremely aristocratic English family (can trace their roots back to the early 1200's), and has been diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia. He is an extremely timid individual, highly sensitive, tall with balding hair and glasses (very weak eye sight), and says he fears that he is in the grip of 'the devil' and fears he will go to hell on his death. I have hazarded a guess of a Cancer lagna judging from his appearance, etc. That he has had problems in his life there is no doubt. He only managed to get married at the age of 60 and has now been married for three years although he still appears to live, as he calls it, a disconnected life. He feels he cannot connect with other human beings and feels a complete outsider to society. He is a devote believer in the Christian faith (High Anglican). He has never managed to hold down a job for any length of time and he says one of his main problems is a complete lack of ambition or interest in anything. Luckily he has been able to be supported entirely by his family's wealth. He is extremely well read and once wrote a lot of poetry which was published. He has asked me if there is any way Jyotish could help him. I keep coming across interesting cases in England for which there is no birth time and I find this incredibly frustrating. Is there anyone who could give a calculated assessment of what this man's lagna is? Although one can read the chart from the Chandra lagna, it would help if one could arrive at an estimated birth time. His birth data: Born York, England 30 November, 1939 Many thanks Robyn Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 Dear Sanjay, Many thanks for that. I shall indeed convey your insights to him, especially with regards to the wife and the wind instruments. He once studied horticulture and worked in Kew gardens for a number of years but because of his 'illness' he had to give it up. And yes, his mother has become by her own volition a virtual recluse. A highly spiritual person and devoted to her religion (in the real sense). I have already told him there is no hell, but I certainly won't confirm his fear of the Devil. He is plagued enough by the thought as it is. But it just shows how the person themselves know themselves far better than they think. Thank you for confirming what I suspected with my limited knowledge. Best wishes Robyn - Sanjay Rath gjlist Wednesday, March 16, 1994 7:30 AM Re: [GJ] schizophrenia Om Gurave NamahDear RobynTry 2:52' PM..The Prasna indicated euther Libra or Aries Lagna, and I felt Aries would be the right one. The Tapaswi Yoga in the Rasi chart makes one appear as a recluse. Other indications are that such seclusion is self imposed as he is very independant in his thinking, rather unpredictable and the schizophrenia is superficial caused due to chronic depression resulting from self imposed seclusion.I don't think any of the parents exhibits this as much as him although there is some indication of the mother being a serious peron, preferring seclusion and this gene seems to have grown more in him.He does seem to have an aristrocratic background, but that also troubles him. The only way to get over the problem is to start playing some musical instrument...that is the ONLY way out. Water navamsa...not string instruments thats fire navamsa, not drums thats earth navamsa...any other types..flute, wind pipes are air navamsa..something soft..harmoniam or violin maybe..perhaps someone can suggest this.Did this man ever learn any technical skill, like say engineering or some machine?He has every reason to fear that he will go to the Devil after death - AK Rahu conjoins the Sun in Lagnamsa/Karakamsa. But do tell him that there is no hell. Venus nees to be propitiated and his wife is very good for him.With best regards,Sanjay Rath__________Mail: H-5 B.J.B. Nagar, Bhubaneswar, OR 751014, IndiaWeb: http://srath.com SJC Web: http://.org Dear Group, I have a challenge i would like to throw out to the group. This is the birth data of a man who comes from an extremely aristocratic English family (can trace their roots back to the early 1200's), and has been diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia. He is an extremely timid individual, highly sensitive, tall with balding hair and glasses (very weak eye sight), and says he fears that he is in the grip of 'the devil' and fears he will go to hell on his death. I have hazarded a guess of a Cancer lagna judging from his appearance, etc. That he has had problems in his life there is no doubt. He only managed to get married at the age of 60 and has now been married for three years although he still appears to live, as he calls it, a disconnected life. He feels he cannot connect with other human beings and feels a complete outsider to society. He is a devote believer in the Christian faith (High Anglican). He has never managed to hold down a job for any length of time and he says one of his main problems is a complete lack of ambition or interest in anything. Luckily he has been able to be supported entirely by his family's wealth. He is extremely well read and once wrote a lot of poetry which was published. He has asked me if there is any way Jyotish could help him. I keep coming across interesting cases in England for which there is no birth time and I find this incredibly frustrating. Is there anyone who could give a calculated assessment of what this man's lagna is? Although one can read the chart from the Chandra lagna, it would help if one could arrive at an estimated birth time. His birth data: Born York, England 30 November, 1939 Many thanks Robyn Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat To , send an email to: gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Dear Sanjay and all other list-members, I have read about both cases of schizophrenia with lot of interest because a very good friend of mine has the same disease. Maybe somebody would like to look at his chart - he allowed me to give his birth details: 05 Aug 1963, 10:00 CET, 49°N29', 08°E29' (Germany) He was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia in April 1986. Currently he feels fine as he is continuously taking western medicine, but e.g. he is not able to work since several years due to problems with concentration and low energy. Lagna-lord Mercury is placed in the 12th house, in Navamsha in the 3rd house. Mars is in the 1st house and lagna lord of Navamsha. Maybe some of you can help me with some more details in his vedic chart relating to schizophrenia? Thanks for your help. Regards Birgit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Om Gurave NamahDear Birgit, I get the following chart+--------------+|Ju | | |Ra || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | |Su Ve || | |AL || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Mo SaR | |Me GL || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ke HL |Md |Gk |As Ma || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ You are right about the Lagna and the placement of Mars in it. Schizophrenia has various shades and is essentially 'bottled up anger' leading to terrible depression and loss of mental control. The intitial anger does not get an outlet and causes depression, the depression causes poor hygene, like the person stops taking a shower everyday. A shower a day is the best way to please Shiva as the Jyotirlinga within us asks for 'abhisheka' or shower..not wanting anything else. Mantra bathing etc are other spiritual practises...coming back to the point.. Lagna Lord Mercury in the 12th house and its dispositor Sun placed in the 12th from it is a rather poor situation, especially when the 11th is considered a Trika. here Cancer is lorded by the Moon which is considered as a terrible enemy by Mercury although the Moon is friendly to Mercury. The situation: people who help the native will have a strong Moon in trines to their Lagna or as a ruling planet, yet the native will have such people. A strange love-hate relationship develops, especially with mentors, and this inability to handle emotions and be realistic causes mental aberration. Now, Mars is also the 8th lord threatening long term disease of the head due to NIJA KARMa or karma associated with actions of past life. Mars alsone cannot give schizophrenia and here we find Saturn in trines supporting the cause as it is the Karaka of the 8th house. Jupiter is aspected by both these planets and is the Badhakesh and would not help. Relief comes from worshipping Guru with the Shanti mantra...a sincere prayer for peace, listening to shanti patha, or keeping an Aquarium and feeding fishes everyday would surely help. At the feet of Guru Pandita KasinathaI remain,Sanjay RathTel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; Personal Web: http://srath.com - blue_starfish202 gjlist Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:44 AM [GJ] Re: schizophrenia Dear Sanjay and all other list-members,I have read about both cases of schizophrenia with lot of interest because a very good friend of mine has the same disease. Maybe somebody would like to look at his chart - he allowed me to give his birth details:05 Aug 1963, 10:00 CET, 49°N29', 08°E29' (Germany)He was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia in April 1986. Currently he feels fine as he is continuously taking western medicine, but e.g. he is not able to work since several years due to problems with concentration and low energy.Lagna-lord Mercury is placed in the 12th house, in Navamsha in the 3rd house. Mars is in the 1st house and lagna lord of Navamsha. Maybe some of you can help me with some more details in his vedic chart relating to schizophrenia?Thanks for your help.RegardsBirgitOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.com Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Dear Sanjay Sorry for butting in here, but could I clarify a statement of yours below. I don't know if it is correct or a typo. I have underlined the sentence. You say: "The situation: people who help the native will have a strong Moon in trines to their Lagna or as a ruling planet, yet the native will have such people. A strange love-hate relationship develops, especially with mentors, and this inability to handle emotions and be realistic causes mental aberration." Did you mean have, or did you mean hate? It makes quite a difference in understanding your words and I would just like to clarify it. Thank you once again for this extremely illuminating analysis. It has helped me enormously in understanding these placements. Best wishes Robyn - Sanjay Rath gjlist Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:58 AM Re: [GJ] Re: schizophrenia Om Gurave NamahDear Birgit, I get the following chart+--------------+|Ju | | |Ra || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | |Su Ve || | |AL || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Mo SaR | |Me GL || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ke HL |Md |Gk |As Ma || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ You are right about the Lagna and the placement of Mars in it. Schizophrenia has various shades and is essentially 'bottled up anger' leading to terrible depression and loss of mental control. The intitial anger does not get an outlet and causes depression, the depression causes poor hygene, like the person stops taking a shower everyday. A shower a day is the best way to please Shiva as the Jyotirlinga within us asks for 'abhisheka' or shower..not wanting anything else. Mantra bathing etc are other spiritual practises...coming back to the point.. Lagna Lord Mercury in the 12th house and its dispositor Sun placed in the 12th from it is a rather poor situation, especially when the 11th is considered a Trika. here Cancer is lorded by the Moon which is considered as a terrible enemy by Mercury although the Moon is friendly to Mercury. The situation: people who help the native will have a strong Moon in trines to their Lagna or as a ruling planet, yet the native will have such people. A strange love-hate relationship develops, especially with mentors, and this inability to handle emotions and be realistic causes mental aberration. Now, Mars is also the 8th lord threatening long term disease of the head due to NIJA KARMa or karma associated with actions of past life. Mars alsone cannot give schizophrenia and here we find Saturn in trines supporting the cause as it is the Karaka of the 8th house. Jupiter is aspected by both these planets and is the Badhakesh and would not help. Relief comes from worshipping Guru with the Shanti mantra...a sincere prayer for peace, listening to shanti patha, or keeping an Aquarium and feeding fishes everyday would surely help. At the feet of Guru Pandita KasinathaI remain,Sanjay RathTel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; Personal Web: http://srath.com - blue_starfish202 gjlist Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:44 AM [GJ] Re: schizophrenia Dear Sanjay and all other list-members,I have read about both cases of schizophrenia with lot of interest because a very good friend of mine has the same disease. Maybe somebody would like to look at his chart - he allowed me to give his birth details:05 Aug 1963, 10:00 CET, 49°N29', 08°E29' (Germany)He was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia in April 1986. Currently he feels fine as he is continuously taking western medicine, but e.g. he is not able to work since several years due to problems with concentration and low energy.Lagna-lord Mercury is placed in the 12th house, in Navamsha in the 3rd house. Mars is in the 1st house and lagna lord of Navamsha. Maybe some of you can help me with some more details in his vedic chart relating to schizophrenia?Thanks for your help.RegardsBirgitOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.com Your use of is subject to Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Om Gurave NamahDear Robyn Sorry for the typo..its hate..as that hate causes tha mana to become inimical. The moon is the planet causing the person to become sociable and not a recluse..reverse of what is happening to him.At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,I remain,Sanjay RathMail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, IndiaTel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; Personal Web: http://srath.com - Ms RE Simpson gjlist Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:09 PM Re: [GJ] Re: schizophrenia Dear Sanjay Sorry for butting in here, but could I clarify a statement of yours below. I don't know if it is correct or a typo. I have underlined the sentence. You say: "The situation: people who help the native will have a strong Moon in trines to their Lagna or as a ruling planet, yet the native will have such people. A strange love-hate relationship develops, especially with mentors, and this inability to handle emotions and be realistic causes mental aberration." Did you mean have, or did you mean hate? It makes quite a difference in understanding your words and I would just like to clarify it. Thank you once again for this extremely illuminating analysis. It has helped me enormously in understanding these placements. Best wishes Robyn - Sanjay Rath gjlist Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:58 AM Re: [GJ] Re: schizophrenia Om Gurave NamahDear Birgit, I get the following chart+--------------+|Ju | | |Ra || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | |Su Ve || | |AL || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Mo SaR | |Me GL || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ke HL |Md |Gk |As Ma || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ You are right about the Lagna and the placement of Mars in it. Schizophrenia has various shades and is essentially 'bottled up anger' leading to terrible depression and loss of mental control. The intitial anger does not get an outlet and causes depression, the depression causes poor hygene, like the person stops taking a shower everyday. A shower a day is the best way to please Shiva as the Jyotirlinga within us asks for 'abhisheka' or shower..not wanting anything else. Mantra bathing etc are other spiritual practises...coming back to the point.. Lagna Lord Mercury in the 12th house and its dispositor Sun placed in the 12th from it is a rather poor situation, especially when the 11th is considered a Trika. here Cancer is lorded by the Moon which is considered as a terrible enemy by Mercury although the Moon is friendly to Mercury. The situation: people who help the native will have a strong Moon in trines to their Lagna or as a ruling planet, yet the native will have such people. A strange love-hate relationship develops, especially with mentors, and this inability to handle emotions and be realistic causes mental aberration. Now, Mars is also the 8th lord threatening long term disease of the head due to NIJA KARMa or karma associated with actions of past life. Mars alsone cannot give schizophrenia and here we find Saturn in trines supporting the cause as it is the Karaka of the 8th house. Jupiter is aspected by both these planets and is the Badhakesh and would not help. Relief comes from worshipping Guru with the Shanti mantra...a sincere prayer for peace, listening to shanti patha, or keeping an Aquarium and feeding fishes everyday would surely help. At the feet of Guru Pandita KasinathaI remain,Sanjay RathTel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; Personal Web: http://srath.com - blue_starfish202 gjlist Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:44 AM [GJ] Re: schizophrenia Dear Sanjay and all other list-members,I have read about both cases of schizophrenia with lot of interest because a very good friend of mine has the same disease. Maybe somebody would like to look at his chart - he allowed me to give his birth details:05 Aug 1963, 10:00 CET, 49°N29', 08°E29' (Germany)He was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia in April 1986. Currently he feels fine as he is continuously taking western medicine, but e.g. he is not able to work since several years due to problems with concentration and low energy.Lagna-lord Mercury is placed in the 12th house, in Navamsha in the 3rd house. Mars is in the 1st house and lagna lord of Navamsha. Maybe some of you can help me with some more details in his vedic chart relating to schizophrenia?Thanks for your help.RegardsBirgitOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.com Your use of is subject to Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Dear Sanjay, thanks for your kind comments on the chart. The chart is correct, I have the same. I have even thought of that he maybe has Sarpa Yoga, i.e. only malefics in kendras. I am not sure if Jupiter would count as a malefic. He is a person who has big problems to show (perhaps even to feel) any anger. He likes to communicate with others and always tries to keep harmony in his relationsships. I was very surprised to find Mars at his lagna. And you're right: during the years and his illness he got more and more depressed and really has a problem to find the energy for his daily shower! His wife has moon in lagna and they seem to have a deep relationship. However, he does not show any hate or anger. He would be worried about loosing her and therefore often adapts himself to her. Maybe that's wrong. May someone could help me explaining what Badhakesh is? And: is there any varga chart which would show the karmic reasons for his disease (sorry, I am quite new to vedic astrology)? Thank you ver much. Best wishes Birgit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 Om Gurave NamahDear Birgit Trimsamsa is the varga, Tatva to be afflicted is Akasa.At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,I remain,Sanjay RathMail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, IndiaTel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; Personal Web: http://srath.com - blue_starfish202 gjlist Thursday, March 20, 2003 3:07 AM [GJ] Re: schizophrenia Dear Sanjay,thanks for your kind comments on the chart. The chart is correct, I have the same. I have even thought of that he maybe has Sarpa Yoga, i.e. only malefics in kendras. I am not sure if Jupiter would count as a malefic.He is a person who has big problems to show (perhaps even to feel) any anger. He likes to communicate with others and always tries to keep harmony in his relationsships. I was very surprised to find Mars at his lagna.And you're right: during the years and his illness he got more and more depressed and really has a problem to find the energy for his daily shower!His wife has moon in lagna and they seem to have a deep relationship. However, he does not show any hate or anger. He would be worried about loosing her and therefore often adapts himself to her. Maybe that's wrong.May someone could help me explaining what Badhakesh is?And: is there any varga chart which would show the karmic reasons for his disease (sorry, I am quite new to vedic astrology)?Thank you ver much.Best wishesBirgitOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.com Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.