Digest Number 1214

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Good questions, Vivek.

 

I was under the impression that all peoiple who worship Vishnu in any form

are Vaishnavas, not only the Hare Krishnans/ISCKON people.

 

Humans require B-12 to survive. There's not getting around it. you either

get an adequate supple or you eventually die. About 15 years ago,

macrobiotic people thought they could get their supply of B-12 from nori

seaweed. Well, it works fine if you are an adult, but if you are a nursing

mother your body can't turn it into a source that will go into your milk for

your infant. No one knew that at the time. Guess what? All the babies who

were thought to be so laid back b/c they were macrobiotic, and their mothers

were vegan (not talking aobut the ones who ate fish in some form) were laid

back and quiet little souls, because they were becoming retarded. lack of

B-12. Reality of life before the introduction of B-12 in a pill was that

you either had to eat some form of animal product--whether as milk or meat--

or you didn't get your B-12...They were and may still be on a kick about

becasue a baby gets teeth it no longer needs mother's milk. Reality is, it's

brain grows for about two years --it's getting ti's first set or wiring for

the first two years outside of mother's body. (it gets another final wiring

done at late adolescence--there's a correlation with the final wiring act

and schizophrenia, I have heard..never mind that one.) So, mother's milk

has a set of..lipids is it? Oxyhedrons? I forget. last i heard it was only

found in mother's milk. No successful duplication yet. So, My point here is

infants need nmother's milk for thos first two years of life for the wiring

to be put done properly. Yeah they need other food too, or it's helpful. WHO

recommends two years, anyway. (There 's one tribe in Indonesia who feeds

ONLY breast milk for about the first 5 years of life...)

 

So we can't live with out B-12. Think very carefully abouit what this meant

before the invention of B-12 in a pill. And generally speaking, cows do have

milk left over for people--they do produce quite lot for the calf...I'm not

talkiing about dairy as an industry now, just the family cow kind of thing.

it makes more sense too, to milk the cow, rather than kill it. It lives

longer. ( iIalways thought since I read it, that at the very least Moses in

eviticus had it right: it's o disgusting to kill a calf and boil it in it's

mother's milk. Think of all the curries made that way....think of

cheesburgers...talk about nauseating.)

 

So anyone up on the legislation that passed last year in hawaii to make

lunches vegan, to include all belif groups, instead of offending a bucket

load of us with meat, or some meat, or even dairy in some cases? California

is trying to pass legistlation now that would at least include vegetarian or

vagan lunches as an option..it's under Project Healthy beginnings website. I

acn tellyo hewre, everything is hamburger hamburger hamberger at the school

lunch. And 85% of us are qualified for free school lunches, so this is a

real problem for those of us who are vegan, vegetarian, Muslim, Jewish and

Hindu....Thewy even throw jello in the applesauce here! no seasoning, like

spices or herbs to jazz anything up, but frigging jello in the applesauce is

okay???

 

But yeah. Milk is species specific. And there is growiing evidence that

cow's milk and meat has cause Crohn's disease in the west. So much

phosphorus in it that it may be casueing osteoporosis, too. The way it's

made, it binds up with the protein and you really can't use that much of the

calcium in it, really. but we need that B-12, one form or another. ( I was a

ceertified breastfeeding educator, so I know weirdo details like this about

milk.)

 

Baby formula was originally not a bad thing--or I should say the motive

behind it was noble: if a baby's mother died, and no wet nurse could be

found near by, it was a gaurantee that the baby would die with in days.

Cow's milk was filthy before pasteurization, it was a real genuine problem,

Vivek. The man who came up with formula was truly trying to say infants. it

just got bigger and later motivated by money...Where yo are--guessing you're

still in India, you've probably seen the poster from WHO or UNICEF of the

woman nursing her twins. the Indian dovtore told her--wrongly she wouldn't

have enough milk for both babies., So whe, being poor watered down the

formula--and of course, gave it to the girl child, not the boy twin. The

girl looked like a refugee from Biafra or Ethipoia, the baby was so thin and

skeletal in the picture. She died hours after the picture was taken. The

mother said she wanted to warn other women about formula.

 

I saw some can of formula the other day that said it had lipids in it. maybe

they have finally managed to duplicate it. Let's see, we have cloning,

surrogate mothers, and animal babies gestating outside of the womb, fake

milk..what do they need women for anyway?

 

A friend of mine has a cow sanctuary in the Poconos. If you'd like to see

his site, it's at: http://www.geocities.com/cow_protection. At least I think

that's the site, from memory.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Denise Notley

 

 

on 3/14/03 3:41 AM, gjlist at gjlist wrote:

 

> Message: 6

> 14 Mar 2003 07:15:56 -0000

> "Vivek " <keviv90

> Milk,ethics and vaishnavism

>

> hi everyone,

> vaishnavas(hare krishna's) call themselves Vegetarians.But there

> is a difference between being "vegetarian" and

> "lacto-vegetarian".

> Milk and dairy products are not vegetables.Besides,one species

> consuming milk of another is against the order of nature-- there

> is exploitation and deprivation involved.The calf is deprived of

> it's natural food and the cow is used as a milk producing factory.

> -- isn't that unethical?

> The Bhagvad-Gita clearly says that foods offerable to the lord and

> also fit for human consumption are --- patram pushpam phalam

> toyam.

> Where does milk come in?

> vivek.