Guest guest Posted March 5, 2003 Report Share Posted March 5, 2003 Sateesh, I always look for the cause of an event in the last Solar Eclipse. In this case the last SE was on the 1st Sep 1997. Here we see SE Venus coming conjunct your natal Asc and Uranus. This suggests a change in affection. What makes it an acrimonious ending is Malefic SE Saturn Lord of 6th of disputes opposes natal Asc, Uranus and SE Venus. At the same time SE Neptune is almost exactly opposition your natal MC. This definitely showed problems in a relationship before the next SE. I then look at the ongoing transits of planets highlighted in the SE. In this case we see Saturn retrograding from its SE position and coming in close orb of aspect to natal Rahu. As you pointed out transit Ketu exactly aspected its natal position, setting up a loop with transit Malefic Saturn at the time of the event. At the same time the other participant Venus had moved on from its conjunction to SE Asc to now come round to closely conjunct the next angle natal MC (Venus MC = individual love). Also Neptune was still close opposition natal MC and joined by transit Sun. Therefore You (Sun), Your emotions (Venus), Your ego and aspirations (MC) were all disillusioned (Neptune) and the association was terminated acrimoniously (transit Saturn aspecting natal Rahu). Regarding the Pluto transit to natal Neptune this may have coloured the event, but I doubt that it was instrumental in that Neptune is unaspected in the natal chart and not on any personal or trigger point. Also it was out of orb in the SE. For anyone who wants to follow the foregoing data is as follows: Sateesh. 15 Apr 1973 7:28pm BST -1.00 Hounslow, ENG 51N29 000W22, Last Solar Eclipse 1st Sep 1997 11:24:09pm UT +0:00 Hounslow Event 16 Jan 1998 9:00 pm UT +0.00 Hounslow On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:31:43 -0000, you wrote: >Dear Ron and List, > >Attached, the time and date of an ending of relationship (acrimonoius). > >The TR and NT nodes are in perfect mutual aspect. > >TR Sun-Venus conjoin exactly on the 4th MEP (but both in 5th House), mimicking their NT conjunction. > >TR Mars-Jupiter conjoin on the 5th MEP, again copying their conjunction in the Natal. > >But in addition, check the proximity of TR Pluto to NT Neptune. > >Would the latter be indicative of endings such as that described? > >Sateesh. > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Dear Ron, Many thanks indeed. Good points on 1st September 1997 SE having TR Venus-Saturn opposing on MEPs 1-7, over NT Uranus in 1st. Interesting - for the above date - TR Moon-Mercury-Rahu-Sun loaded up the TWELTH house on that date, with TR Sun very close to TR Mercury-Moon indeed. NT Rahu at 17* in the 4th aspected all of these TR planets. TR FB Jupiter was DEAD-conjunct MMP NT Mars. TR Jupiter in 5th aspected TR Venus in 1st. TR Rx Saturn cast a 3rd-aspect on NT Saturn within 2*. NT Saturn in the 9th cast a very close 10th-aspect on TR Ketu in the 6th. The TR Nodes and TR Saturn were all at 25*4x degrees, so within 2* of my NT MEPs. TR Mars in 2nd at 17* was exactly afflicted by NT Ketu in 10th at 17*. ++++ As for the actual date, 16th January 1998- I had not seen the TR Neptune conjunction with TR Sun-Venus, nor the opposition of all 3 to the Mid-Heaven (or conjunction to the Midheaven's opposite angle). And you are right on target about this - yes, Midheaven would be the "aim" or "high point" or "hope/aspirations" of the chart. Ego and Emotions were certainly disillusioned - excellent call. >>Therefore You (Sun), Your emotions (Venus), Your ego and aspirations (MC) were all disillusioned (Neptune) << Thanks again - Sateesh. ======== - "RonGaunt" <rongaunt (AT) optushome (DOT) com.au> <gjlist> Cc: <sidereal> Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:07 AM Re: [GJ] Arjee - outers/nodes : : Sateesh,: : I always look for the cause of an event in the last Solar: Eclipse.: : In this case the last SE was on the 1st Sep 1997. Here we see: SE Venus coming conjunct your natal Asc and Uranus. This: suggests a change in affection. What makes it an acrimonious: ending is Malefic SE Saturn Lord of 6th of disputes opposes natal: Asc, Uranus and SE Venus. At the same time SE Neptune is: almost exactly opposition your natal MC. This definitely showed: problems in a relationship before the next SE.: : I then look at the ongoing transits of planets highlighted in the: SE. In this case we see Saturn retrograding from its SE: position and coming in close orb of aspect to natal Rahu. As you: pointed out transit Ketu exactly aspected its natal position,: setting up a loop with transit Malefic Saturn at the time of the: event. At the same time the other participant Venus had moved: on from its conjunction to SE Asc to now come round to closely: conjunct the next angle natal MC (Venus MC = individual love).: Also Neptune was still close opposition natal MC and joined by: transit Sun. Therefore You (Sun), Your emotions (Venus), Your: ego and aspirations (MC) were all disillusioned (Neptune) and the: association was terminated acrimoniously (transit Saturn: aspecting natal Rahu).: : Regarding the Pluto transit to natal Neptune this may have: coloured the event, but I doubt that it was instrumental in that: Neptune is unaspected in the natal chart and not on any personal: or trigger point. Also it was out of orb in the SE.: : For anyone who wants to follow the foregoing data is as follows:: : Sateesh.: 15 Apr 1973 : 7:28pm BST -1.00: Hounslow, ENG: 51N29 000W22,: : Last Solar Eclipse: 1st Sep 1997: 11:24:09pm UT +0:00: Hounslow: : Event: 16 Jan 1998: 9:00 pm UT +0.00: Hounslow ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Dear Ron, One point - the 1st September 1997 (or thereabouts) was also the time the friendship started up, or really started accelerating from what I recall. The TR Jupiter (7th Lord) dead conjunct NT Mars (8th Lord), both being in 5th (Romance) may have been a trigger during the S.E. of that day perhaps. Sateesh. ======== - Sateesh Batas gjlist Cc: sidereal Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:24 AM Re: [GJ] Arjee - outers/nodes Dear Ron, Many thanks indeed. Good points on 1st September 1997 SE having TR Venus-Saturn opposing on MEPs 1-7, over NT Uranus in 1st. Interesting - for the above date - TR Moon-Mercury-Rahu-Sun loaded up the TWELTH house on that date, with TR Sun very close to TR Mercury-Moon indeed. NT Rahu at 17* in the 4th aspected all of these TR planets. TR FB Jupiter was DEAD-conjunct MMP NT Mars. TR Jupiter in 5th aspected TR Venus in 1st. TR Rx Saturn cast a 3rd-aspect on NT Saturn within 2*. NT Saturn in the 9th cast a very close 10th-aspect on TR Ketu in the 6th. The TR Nodes and TR Saturn were all at 25*4x degrees, so within 2* of my NT MEPs. TR Mars in 2nd at 17* was exactly afflicted by NT Ketu in 10th at 17*. ++++ As for the actual date, 16th January 1998- I had not seen the TR Neptune conjunction with TR Sun-Venus, nor the opposition of all 3 to the Mid-Heaven (or conjunction to the Midheaven's opposite angle). And you are right on target about this - yes, Midheaven would be the "aim" or "high point" or "hope/aspirations" of the chart. Ego and Emotions were certainly disillusioned - excellent call. >>Therefore You (Sun), Your emotions (Venus), Your ego and aspirations (MC) were all disillusioned (Neptune) << Thanks again - Sateesh. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 TR Mars in 2nd also cast a [4th-aspect on NT Jupiter-Mars in 5th, and on TR Jupiter in 5th]. So both TR planets affected their NT counterparts' conjunction in the 5th. Sateesh. ======== - Sateesh Batas gjlist Cc: sidereal Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:26 AM Re: [GJ] Arjee - outers/nodes Dear Ron, One point - the 1st September 1997 (or thereabouts) was also the time the friendship started up, or really started accelerating from what I recall. The TR Jupiter (7th Lord) dead conjunct NT Mars (8th Lord), both being in 5th (Romance) may have been a trigger during the S.E. of that day perhaps. Sateesh. ======== - Sateesh Batas gjlist Cc: sidereal Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:24 AM Re: [GJ] Arjee - outers/nodes ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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