Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Friends, The events were: Snake bite 3 Jan 2003 Surgery 9 July 2001 Husband left 25 Dec 2002. I stated that surgery must have been on 9.july 2001, in Saturn Mahadasha and Mars antardasha, though this was a tricky at first sight, since Mars aspects 7th house and could seemingly destroy marriage, while both other dates should have been later. However, there were several things I had in mind: 1. Stick to Naisarghik (natural karak) that means that operations must occur when Mars (bleeding/tools) occur. Snake bite must have something to do with Rahu/Ketu (snake). Navamsa Lagna given was scorpio which didn't agree. Jaimini/Parashara states about Karakmsa (swamsa) that Surya must be connected to Lagna and Rahu should aspect to give death or expeirnece with poisons/snake bites. When I moved birthtime for 2.-3 minutes ahead, Navamsa Lagna was Dhanu with Surya in it and Rahu in 5th aspecting Lagna, so this was the right Navamsa, which proved later correct. Furhter, I though why MANGAL antardasha couldnot give a date of husband leaving home. The reasons were: 1. Mangal is in own sign as Yogakarak and is exalted in Navamsa, so in Mangal dasha, such terrible things are less to happen. Further, mangal is dispositor of Shukra (pakesh) and is well placed. So marriage cannot end in this dasha. 7th from Shukra (technique explaind by Chrisopher), was ruled by Shukra itself, which is conjunt strong and favourable mangal. 7th from shukra holds rahu which is rather bad for marriage, so rahu antardasha is better candidate. 2, The next question was an operation- Mangal is karak for surgery. He rules 8th house of Natural zodiac (vrischik) and aspects Shani which is karak for 8th and 12th houses, and in this chart rules 6th house of health. So mangal aspect would endanger health. The next question was; Why native's health? Why mangal will not destroy husband's health? My reasons were: - In case the native is strongly connected to ANY event, Lagna factors must be inolved in this event. So let's see the chart: Lagna lord is Surya. Pakesh (rashi dispositor) of Surya is Shukra and Shukra will indicate the body and physical evolution (dispositor's role). Shukra is further conjuct Ketu, Mangal, and aspected by Shani and Rahu. So body will be subject to dangers due to these malefics. It is no wonder that dangerous spine operation took place in Shani mahadasha and Mangal antardasha. Why Spine? Ketu and Surya indicate spine. Surya is deblitated as lagna lord, while Ketu is conjuct Lagna dispositor. Shani(secondary karaka for spine) is also afflicted. OTHER EVENTS SNAKE BITE/HUSBAND LEAVING For all events related to poison, Mandhi and Gulika (two Upagraha must be related). They are both in 11th house conjuct guru. No wonder the event took place in the third level dasha (pratyantar) of Guru. HUSBAND LEAVING This event took place in Shani/Rahu/Guru- Why this? Rahu is colord of Kumba(7th house) and is placed in 10th house in 7th from Shukra. Shani in 7th house is placed in Rahu constalation (nakshatra), so Rahu is jeeva of Shani. In Navamsa Rahu is placed in 5th house in 2nd from Upapada Lagna (see Parashara) which relates to marriage. Grahas in 2nd from Upapada/malefics cause divorces etc. Rahu in 1st/5th and 9th houses of Navamsa charts is known to destroy Dharma (marriage). Why Guru pratyantara? Guru is afflicted by gulika and mandhi, and guru is in 8th house counted from Shukra. Guru is futher Darakarak (char karaka) which is definitely bad for spouse/marriage in his periods. In Navamsa Guru is in Navamsa Lagna, yet is affllicted by Shani and Rahu. So this is confiredm in their periods. One may crosscheck this through verious other tools, such as Kalacharka, moola and other dashas, gochara (transits), varshphal etc.. Since both events took place in 3rd level period of Guru, it is important to see which was the 4th level (sookshmadasha). It was budha, while on the second date of snake bite was ketu. Budha rules 7th house in NAvamsa chart. so this is better canidate for events related to husband. SNAKE BITE Shani/Rahu/Guru/Ketu Rahu antara will cause this due to its aspect on surya on navamsa lagna. Furhter rahu is disposited by shukra in nakshatra of Chandra in 3rd (so short-travel or nearby experience) Guru is in conjunction with Mandi/Gulika- so the posion will spread. Ketu is on 4th level-the tail of the snake.. So it is clear. In short, these were generally my observations. We may discuss this further if you wish -- ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath Vedic Centre email: ahimsa web: www.sjvc.co.yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 Dear Zoran, Thanks for this detailed, excellent analysis – So useful to hear about the reasoning behind and to analyze further- more discussion and questions on this will certainly follow /another benefit from your work! /. I was impressed by your ‘common-sense’ approach, which obviously dominated your reasoning about these events, as well as by so nicely explained reasons for escaping Kuja-Dosha- interpr. ‘trap’, Lagna role in serious health crisis, etc Natural karakas’ /common sense, as I say/ importance you follow consistently, and I see that as a big + in your analysis /nor switching from one sets of arguments to another, to suit interpretation-as we so often see in astrology Saturn-Mars signature for operation seems to work- always. And this native has them aspected in natal-good- but, you asked “why not husband’s health?’, that could be a ‘trap’ too, in this case- both question and explanation are great. -Syria and Ketu, and Saturn - Spine Is this suggested order for this issue? ‘Husband left’- I will have to go over and mull over the reasons, again, but for now, you say Rahu- co-lord of Aq- would you always take this into account? And nakshatra Lord, as in KP? Jupiter sub-sub…Hmm. Are there some other meanings to position of Jupiter as it is here? Your analysis go smoothly, it’s pleasure to notice that‘economy of analysis’ is so good/I mean, the old rule ‘if simple works don’t complicate’, or something like that/ and you explain things with ‘minimal’ required steps, going to 4 level subs, to get further confirmation- What would you do if, theoretically, at least, this further step is not confirming- you would stick to more important first analyzed ones, is that right?- or, what would you do than? Go further to varga charts, vashapal- solar return?… By the way, just curious, diid you take Varshapal into account. What info V. provided? Good work indeed, Zoran. Thanks for that We are proud of you. Anna Snezana 10.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"> Zoran Radosavljevic [ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net] Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:12 PM gjlist [GJ] Re: Fw: Test No. 75 - from Zoran Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Friends, The events were: Snake bite 3 Jan 2003 Surgery 9 July 2001 Husband left 25 Dec 2002. I stated that surgery must have been on 9.july 2001, in Saturn Mahadasha and Mars antardasha, though this was a tricky at first sight, since Mars aspects 7th house and could seemingly destroy marriage, while both other dates should have been later. However, there were several things I had in mind: 1. Stick to Naisarghik (natural karak) that means that operations must occur when Mars (bleeding/tools) occur. Snake bite must have something to do with Rahu/Ketu (snake). Navamsa Lagna given was scorpio which didn't agree. Jaimini/Parashara states about Karakmsa (swamsa) that Surya must be connected to Lagna and Rahu should aspect to give death or expeirnece with poisons/snake bites. When I moved birthtime for 2.-3 minutes ahead, Navamsa Lagna was Dhanu with Surya in it and Rahu in 5th aspecting Lagna, so this was the right Navamsa, which proved later correct. Furhter, I though why MANGAL antardasha couldnot give a date of husband leaving home. The reasons were: 1. Mangal is in own sign as Yogakarak and is exalted in Navamsa, so in Mangal dasha, such terrible things are less to happen. Further, mangal is dispositor of Shukra (pakesh) and is well placed. So marriage cannot end in this dasha. 7th from Shukra (technique explaind by Chrisopher), was ruled by Shukra itself, which is conjunt strong and favourable mangal. 7th from shukra holds rahu which is rather bad for marriage, so rahu antardasha is better candidate. 2, The next question was an operation- Mangal is karak for surgery. He rules 8th house of Natural zodiac (vrischik) and aspects Shani which is karak for 8th and 12th houses, and in this chart rules 6th house of health. So mangal aspect would endanger health. The next question was; Why native's health? Why mangal will not destroy husband's health? My reasons were: - In case the native is strongly connected to ANY event, Lagna factors must be inolved in this event. So let's see the chart: Lagna lord is Surya. Pakesh (rashi dispositor) of Surya is Shukra and Shukra will indicate the body and physical evolution (dispositor's role). Shukra is further conjuct Ketu, Mangal, and aspected by Shani and Rahu. So body will be subject to dangers due to these malefics. It is no wonder that dangerous spine operation took place in Shani mahadasha and Mangal antardasha. Why Spine? Ketu and Surya indicate spine. Surya is deblitated as lagna lord, while Ketu is conjuct Lagna dispositor. Shani(secondary karaka for spine) is also afflicted. OTHER EVENTS SNAKE BITE/HUSBAND LEAVING For all events related to poison, Mandhi and Gulika (two Upagraha must be related). They are both in 11th house conjuct guru. No wonder the event took place in the third level dasha (pratyantar) of Guru. HUSBAND LEAVING This event took place in Shani/Rahu/Guru- Why this? Rahu is colord of Kumba(7th house) and is placed in 10th house in 7th from Shukra. Shani in 7th house is placed in Rahu constalation (nakshatra), so Rahu is jeeva of Shani. In Navamsa Rahu is placed in 5th house in 2nd from Upapada Lagna (see Parashara) which relates to marriage. Grahas in 2nd from Upapada/malefics cause divorces etc. Rahu in 1st/5th and 9th houses of Navamsa charts is known to destroy Dharma (marriage). Why Guru pratyantara? Guru is afflicted by gulika and mandhi, and guru is in 8th house counted from Shukra. Guru is futher Darakarak (char karaka) which is definitely bad for spouse/marriage in his periods. In Navamsa Guru is in Navamsa Lagna, yet is affllicted by Shani and Rahu. So this is confiredm in their periods. One may crosscheck this through verious other tools, such as Kalacharka, moola and other dashas, gochara (transits), varshphal etc.. Since both events took place in 3rd level period of Guru, it is important to see which was the 4th level (sookshmadasha). It was budha, while on the second date of snake bite was ketu. Budha rules 7th house in NAvamsa chart. so this is better canidate for events related to husband. SNAKE BITE Shani/Rahu/Guru/Ketu Rahu antara will cause this due to its aspect on surya on navamsa lagna. Furhter rahu is disposited by shukra in nakshatra of Chandra in 3rd (so short-travel or nearby experience) Guru is in conjunction with Mandi/Gulika- so the posion will spread. Ketu is on 4th level-the tail of the snake.. So it is clear. In short, these were generally my observations. We may discuss this further if you wish -- ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath Vedic Centre email: ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net web: www.sjvc.co.yu Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release Date: 2/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Anna and Snezana, I must thank you for this. Yet, having in mind the great Seers of Vedic Ancient Jyotisha, we are just a fade copy of what Jyotishis used to be some time back , a few thousand years ago.. Do see my comments below: > ‘trap’, Lagna role in serious health crisis, etc > > Natural karakas’ /common sense, as I say/ importance you follow > > consistently, and I see that as a big + in your analysis /nor > switching from one sets of arguments to another, to suit > interpretation-as we so often see in astrology > I am glad you understood my basic urge in chart analyses. Things can be quite simple in times, so one should never forget beginning lessons. Once we had an assignement on Varahamihira forum (Shri JAgannath Centre) where we had to tell a few things about the chart. IT was a chart of a prostitute with cluster of grahas in 8th house in gemini. When I commented that Gemini rules bordels, places of entertainent, sex etc, Sanjay Rath, my Jyotish Guru was happy since this is the basic info which speaks volumes of this chart. So, basis are basis, never forget them.. > Saturn-Mars signature for operation seems to work- always. And this native > > has them aspected in natal-good- but, you asked “why not husband’s > health?’, that could be a ‘trap’ too, in this case- both question and > explanation are great. > > -Syria and Ketu, and Saturn - Spine > > Is this suggested order for this issue? > > > Surya is the Main Karaka for Bones/Sceleton. Bones are one of 7 Sapthadhatus ruled by Surya. Ketu eclipeses surya, while Shani is his bitter enemy. So both grahas tend to give imbalance in bone structure. Even shukra is enemy of Surya, so shukra will give pain in the bones due to imbalanced Kapha (watery bones), while Shani will give imbalance of Vata (wind). Ketu will give hurts/breakage, cuts or operations. > ‘Husband left’- I will have to go over and mull over the reasons, again, > > but for now, you say Rahu- co-lord of Aq- would you always take this > into account? And nakshatra Lord, as in KP? > > Jupiter sub-sub…Hmm. Are there some other meanings to position of Jupiter > > as it is here? > > > " Husband Left" I will try to explain this in as simple words as possible: 1. We have to analyse shani in 7th house: a- shani's dispositor is shani itself, yet also rahu, since we opine as per teachings of Jaimini and Parashara that aquarius has two lords, one is shani, another is rahu. Rahu is thus pakesh related to physical activity, health etc of a husband. So his activity is related to 10th house affairs such as career, etc.. b-Rahu is further lord of nakshatra (normal, not as per krishnamurti padati), so rahu will infleunce the mental activity, fortune of the spouse, So rahu's mental activity will go towards career etc. c- Sharira or, nakshatra lord of Rahu is Chandra. So chandra indicates the activity of a husband-3rd house affairs as lord of 12th. So husband made short travel and moved house (3rd house) Since Chandra and Lagna Lord Surya are in 12th house counted from Venus, a person will be neglected/rejected by husband. Now, let's cross check with Upapada Lagna. Upapada lagna is arudha of 12th house falling in Libra. 2nd house from upapada indicates the causes of marriage break (maraka). We have shukra/mangal and ketu.. This clearly indicates love affair. So my opinion is that husband left due to love affair. Mangal as 2nd lord from Upapada is in own sign. See Parashara, he states that 2nd lord in own sign will make a marriage last. It is also for that reason that Mangal antardasha didn't give divorce, Position of Jupiter: Jupiter is in great enemy's sign, in retrograde movement. He is very strong yet there are strong desires and little achivements, which may come rather late in life. Jupiter is with mandi and gulika (two upagrahas) which is very bad. Jupiter's vimsopaka baal is moderate. Jupiter is in khal avasta, in kumar avasta. Jupiter is moderate in shadbal. So jupiter indications are mixed. There is some bad infleunce of Jupiter due to bad avastas and low dignity. It will affect living things of all he represents. So there will be problems with children. Either no child at all, or miscarriages etc. This must be confirmed in Saptamsa Chart. Jupiter is Darakaraka -see Parashara- which means that he has a role to teach a husband hard lessons. Jupiter is also lord of 8th house which rules physical separation from husband (maraka for 7th house), so due to bad avastas will cause separation. > Your analysis go smoothly, it’s pleasure to notice that‘economy of > analysis’ is so good/I mean, the old rule ‘if simple works don’t > complicate’, or something like that/ and you explain things with > ‘minimal’ required > > steps, going to 4 level subs, to get further confirmation- > > What would you do if, theoretically, at least, this further step is > not confirming- you would stick to more important first analyzed ones, > is that right?- or, what would you do than? Go further to varga > charts, vashapal- solar return? > We should go further to varga charts and other techniques such as varshphal. There are also other Udu Dashas- Parashara speaks of almost 40 dashas for prediction. My Jyotish Guru Pt. Sanjay Rath, recently published book on Vimshotari and Udu dasha which I recommend much. It is a jewel in today's jyotish literature. I consulted other dashas such as Kalachakra dasha, Narayana Dasha (Pada Krama), Moola dasha of Sarawali, so, I didn't look into Varsphal, but i will look at it now: Varshphal analyses: for 2000- starting at birthday 25 october till 25.october 2001 In this year, there was a serious operation: This is seen at the first sight, lagna is Leo. So this is Dwi Janma Year. a year of "new " birth. Dwi Janma Year(the same lagna as in rashi chart) is known to give serious problems, dangers and health should be watched upon closely. Muntha Goes into 12th house of losses and hospitalisation. Munthesh is Chandra and is placed in 2nd house which is maraka. Further chandra is very close to surya so its pakshbal is low, so is somewhat weak. Let's analyse further Lagna and Arudha Lagna to see the body and its direction. Mangal is in lagna , while lagna lord is debilitated surya. So there is danger of accidents/hurts/operations-bleeding of Mangal. However, mangal is in rashi sandhi, at the highest degree. Planets in rashi sandhi may be very dangerous for living things of houses they occupy or rule. So this is confirmed, an operation or bleeding due to mangal. Mangal is in trine with ketu (sadharmi) so he will share the destiny with ketu throughout the year, so operation is confirmed. Ketu is in arudha Lagna whose lord jupiter is placed in 10th house (the prime house of the sceleton/spine) 5th house is secondary house holding ketu and arudha lagna. There is guru and shani in 10th house as 8th and 6th lords which is seriously dangerous for 10th house affairs (spine). Both grahas aspect Shukra which is pakesh dispositor of surya (lagna lord) and responsible for the body. The next question is when? There is a thumb rule which my Guru taught me.. Take each house as one month.. So 9th month from the birthdate will be represented by 9th house. This house is ruled by mangal and aspected by surya and budha. So this house is mostly connected to Lagna. Therefore in the 9th month counted from the birthdate, the most important happening related to lagna in Dwi Janma (dangerous) year will take place. This event is indicated by Mars(operation). Further, Mars is lord of the year, so he will indicate operations etc.However, let's crosscheck the events with Dashas. There are two Varshphal dashas in vogue; One is muddha vimshotari, another is Patyhatini Muda Vimshotari Venus/Moon/Mercury Venus is pakesh-dispositor of Lagna lord and is aspected by mars/saturn and jupiter, the planets responsible for spine operation (see above): It is afflicted so relates to body of the native. Moon is lord of muntha, the most important events in the year. Moon rules 12th house of hospitals. Mercury is dispositor of munthesh, and is strong maraka. However, it would be difficult to connect the third level dashas to mercury only, since there are other candidates too. So let's check with Patyayini dasha: The periods were Mars/Mars/Saturn- Due to Mars above anlyses, this is clear and Patyayini dashas shows events better in this case It is also important to note that You should analyse Panchang in Tajaka. For example see the ruler of the weekday of the Varshpahal, It was Mangal, so his position is important. Next see the ruler of Nakshatra- it is Chandra (hasta nakshatra where moon is posited), so chandra will decide the fortune of the year. See also the ruler of Hora of Tajak(varshphal). It will set the main tone/events of the year. E.G. in this chart Hora lord is Guru, and lord 8th house(operation), 10th house (spine), in conjunction with (saturn-chronic disease) who lord 6th house (disease). You may also analyse yearly sahams for crosschecking procedure etc. > … > > By the way, just curious, diidyou take Varshapal into account. What > info V. provided? > > > > Good work indeed, Zoran. Thanks for that > > We are proud of you. > > > > Anna > > Snezana > > > We may also analyse Varshphal for the next events if you wish, but the next time, I am going to bed now.Thank you again. B.T.W. Snezana is name which is very frequent in my country (serbia)? Where do you come from? Best wishes Zoran -- ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath Vedic Centre email: ahimsa web: www.sjvc.co.yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 Dear Zoran Thanks for your comments . I got a lot out of it . Nicholas - "Zoran Radosavljevic" <ahimsa <gjlist> Monday, February 24, 2003 2:11 PM [GJ] Re: Fw: Test No. 75 - from Zoran > Om Namo Narayanaya, > Dear Friends, > The events were: > Snake bite 3 Jan 2003 > Surgery 9 July 2001 > Husband left 25 Dec 2002. > I stated that surgery must have been on 9.july 2001, in Saturn Mahadasha > and Mars antardasha, though this was a tricky at first sight, since > Mars aspects 7th house and could seemingly destroy marriage, while both > other dates should have been later. However, there were several things I > had in mind: > 1. Stick to Naisarghik (natural karak) > that means that operations must occur when Mars (bleeding/tools) occur. > Snake bite must have something to do with Rahu/Ketu (snake). > Navamsa Lagna given was scorpio which didn't agree. Jaimini/Parashara > states about Karakmsa (swamsa) that Surya must be connected to Lagna > and Rahu should aspect to give death or expeirnece with poisons/snake > bites. When I moved birthtime for 2.-3 minutes ahead, Navamsa Lagna was > Dhanu with Surya in it and Rahu in 5th aspecting Lagna, so this was the > right Navamsa, which proved later correct. Furhter, I though why MANGAL > antardasha > couldnot give a date of husband leaving home. The reasons were: > 1. Mangal is in own sign as Yogakarak and is exalted in Navamsa, so in > Mangal dasha, such terrible things are less to happen. Further, mangal > is dispositor of > Shukra (pakesh) and is well placed. So marriage cannot end in this > dasha. 7th from Shukra (technique explaind by Chrisopher), was ruled by > Shukra itself, which is conjunt strong and favourable mangal. 7th from > shukra holds rahu which is rather bad for marriage, so rahu antardasha > is better candidate. > 2, The next question was an operation- Mangal is karak for surgery. He > rules 8th house of Natural zodiac (vrischik) and aspects Shani which is > karak for 8th and 12th houses, and in this chart rules 6th house of > health. So mangal aspect would endanger health. The next question was; > Why native's health? Why mangal will not destroy husband's health? My > reasons were: > - In case the native is strongly connected to ANY event, Lagna factors > must be inolved in this event. So let's see the chart: Lagna lord is > Surya. Pakesh (rashi dispositor) of Surya is Shukra and Shukra will > indicate the body and physical evolution (dispositor's role). Shukra is > further conjuct Ketu, Mangal, and aspected by Shani and Rahu. So body > will be subject to dangers due to these malefics. It is no wonder that > dangerous spine operation took place in Shani mahadasha and Mangal > antardasha. Why Spine? Ketu and Surya indicate spine. Surya is > deblitated as lagna lord, while Ketu is conjuct Lagna dispositor. > Shani(secondary karaka for spine) is also afflicted. > OTHER EVENTS > SNAKE BITE/HUSBAND LEAVING > For all events related to poison, Mandhi and Gulika (two Upagraha must > be related). They are both in 11th house conjuct guru. No wonder the > event took place in > the third level dasha (pratyantar) of Guru. > HUSBAND LEAVING > This event took place in Shani/Rahu/Guru- Why this? > Rahu is colord of Kumba(7th house) and is placed in 10th house in 7th > from Shukra. Shani in 7th house is placed in Rahu constalation > (nakshatra), so Rahu is jeeva of Shani. In Navamsa Rahu is placed in 5th > house in 2nd from Upapada Lagna (see Parashara) which relates to > marriage. Grahas in 2nd from Upapada/malefics cause divorces etc. Rahu > in 1st/5th and 9th houses of Navamsa charts is known to destroy Dharma > (marriage). Why Guru pratyantara? Guru is afflicted by gulika and > mandhi, and guru is in 8th house counted from Shukra. Guru is futher > Darakarak (char karaka) which is definitely bad for spouse/marriage in > his periods. In Navamsa Guru is in Navamsa Lagna, yet is affllicted by > Shani and Rahu. So this is confiredm in their periods. One may > crosscheck this through verious other tools, such as Kalacharka, moola > and other dashas, gochara (transits), varshphal etc.. Since both events > took place in 3rd level period of Guru, it is important to see which was > the 4th level (sookshmadasha). It was budha, while on the second date of > snake bite was ketu. Budha rules 7th house in NAvamsa chart. so this is > better canidate for events related to husband. > SNAKE BITE > Shani/Rahu/Guru/Ketu > Rahu antara will cause this due to its aspect on surya on navamsa lagna. > Furhter rahu is disposited by shukra in nakshatra of Chandra in 3rd (so > short-travel or nearby experience) Guru is in conjunction with > Mandi/Gulika- so the posion will spread. Ketu is on 4th level-the tail > of the snake.. So it is clear. > In short, these were generally my observations. > We may discuss this further if you wish > > -- > ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC > Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath Vedic Centre > email: ahimsa > web: www.sjvc.co.yu > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 color:blue;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal"> color:blue;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal"> May our Lord forgive us and save us! Dear Zoran, color:blue">Vrry good, coherent explanation, in many ways- as a model of analysis. I’ll add this to my Jyotish-Textbook for sure. Though I respond in hurry, I’ve read the posr with patience. Everything you wrote here commands respect. Thanks! Please see my comments on subjexct matters bellow /rhetorical questions excluded/ Anna, Snezana color:blue;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal"> 10.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"> Zoran Radosavljevic [ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net] Monday, February 24, 2003 8:31 PM gjlist Re: [GJ] Re: Fw: Test No. 75 - from Zoran Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Anna and Snezana, 1"> /where did you find and?/ I must thank you for this. Yet, having in mind the great Seers of Vedic Ancient Jyotisha, we are just a fade copy of what Jyotishis used to be some time back , a few thousand years ago.. Do see my comments below: > ‘trap’, Lagna role in serious health crisis, etc > > Natural karakas’ /common sense, as I say/ importance you follow > > consistently, and I see that as a big + in your analysis /nor > switching from one sets of arguments to another, to suit > interpretation-as we so often see in astrology > I am glad you understood my basic urge in chart analyses. Things can be quite simple in times, so one should never forget beginning lessons. Once we had an assignement on Varahamihira forum (Shri JAgannath Centre) where we had to tell a few things about the chart. IT was a chart of a prostitute with cluster of grahas in 8th house in gemini. When I commented that Gemini rules bordels, places of entertainent, sex etc, Sanjay Rath, my Jyotish Guru was happy since this is the basic info which speaks volumes of this chart. So, basis are basis, never forget them.. color:black;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Yes, ‘basic’ is irreplaceable > Saturn-Mars signature for operation seems to work- always. And this native > > has them aspected in natal-good- but, you asked “why not husband’s > health?’, that could be a ‘trap’ too, in this case- both question and > explanation are great. > > -Syria and Ketu, and Saturn - Spine > > Is this suggested order for this issue? > > > Surya is the Main Karaka for Bones/Sceleton. Bones are one of 7 Sapthadhatus ruled by Surya. Ketu eclipeses surya, while Shani is his bitter enemy. So both grahas tend to give imbalance in bone structure. Even shukra is enemy of Surya, so shukra will give pain in the bones due to imbalanced Kapha (watery bones), while Shani will give imbalance of Vata (wind). Ketu will give hurts/breakage, cuts or operations. color:black;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">On the ‘basics side’, perhaps, I considered Sani ruling bones color:black;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Where can we find exhaustive main karakas list? > ‘Husband left’- I will have to go over and mull over the reasons, again, > > but for now, you say Rahu- co-lord of Aq- would you always take this > into account? And nakshatra Lord, as in KP? > > Jupiter sub-sub…Hmm. Are there some other meanings to position of Jupiter > > as it is here? > > > " Husband Left" I will try to explain this in as simple words as possible: 1. We have to analyse shani in 7th house: a- shani's dispositor is shani itself, yet also rahu, since we opine as per teachings of Jaimini and Parashara that aquarius has two lords, one is shani, another is rahu. Rahu is thus pakesh related to physical activity, health etc of a husband. So his activity is related to 10th house affairs such as career, etc.. b-Rahu is further lord of nakshatra (normal, not as per krishnamurti padati), so rahu will infleunce the mental activity, fortune of the spouse, So rahu's mental activity will go towards career etc. So, nakshatra lord is for ‘subtler’/mental/issues, activitie-is that right understanding? I’m trying to extract more comprehensive rule from what you wrote- Let me re-phrase this: the place of naksh. Lord in order of significance analysis. In your example house lord /Lords, if we include double rulership/ stands for ‘health, physical things’ and nakshatra Lord for ‘subtler’, so to speak. Makes sense. But It should colour, the ‘basic-first house things’ as well-theoretically at least. That’s my understanding. Again, and I have in mind c/ bellow as well- order of significance c- Sharira or, nakshatra lord of Rahu is Chandra. So chandra indicates the activity of a husband-3rd house affairs as lord of 12th. So husband made short travel and moved house (3rd house) Since Chandra and Lagna Lord Surya are in 12th house counted from Venus, a person will be neglected/rejected by husband. ? /12th from Venus- so significant?/ Now, let's cross check with Upapada Lagna. Upapada lagna is arudha of 12th house falling in Libra. 2nd house from upapada indicates the causes of marriage break (maraka). We have shukra/mangal and ketu.. This clearly indicates love affair. So my opinion is that husband left due to love affair. Mangal as 2nd lord from Upapada is in own sign. See Parashara, he states that 2nd lord in own sign will make a marriage last. It is also for that reason that Mangal antardasha didn't give divorce, This is very good- so we have what 2nd as maraka denotes cause of marriage break-up- wherever it’s placed in UL chart is the cause, right Position of Jupiter: Jupiter is in great enemy's sign, in retrograde movement. He is very strong yet there are strong desires and little achivements, which may come rather late in life. Jupiter is with mandi and gulika (two upagrahas) which is very bad. Jupiter's vimsopaka baal is moderate. Jupiter is in khal avasta, in kumar avasta. Jupiter is moderate in shadbal. So jupiter indications are mixed. There is some bad infleunce of Jupiter due to bad avastas and low dignity. It will affect living things of all he represents. So there will be problems with children. Either no child at all, or miscarriages etc. This must be confirmed in Saptamsa Chart. Jupiter is Darakaraka -see Parashara- which means that he has a role to teach a husband hard lessons. Jupiter is also lord of 8th house which rules physical separation from husband (maraka for 7th house), so due to bad avastas will cause separation. Ok At least supports mayor path of interpretation > Your analysis go smoothly, it’s pleasure to notice that‘economy of > analysis’ is so good/I mean, the old rule ‘if simple works don’t > complicate’, or something like that/ and you explain things with > ‘minimal’ required > > steps, going to 4 level subs, to get further confirmation- > > What would you do if, theoretically, at least, this further step is > not confirming- you would stick to more important first analyzed ones, > is that right?- or, what would you do than? Go further to varga > charts, vashapal- solar return? > We should go further to varga charts and other techniques such as varshphal. There are also other Udu Dashas- Parashara speaks of almost 40 dashas for prediction. My Jyotish Guru Pt. Sanjay Rath, recently published book on Vimshotari and Udu dasha which I recommend much. It is a jewel in today's jyotish literature. I consulted other dashas such as Kalachakra dasha, Narayana Dasha (Pada Krama), Moola dasha of Sarawali, so, I didn't look into Varsphal, but i will look at it now: Yes, I’ve noticed that you didn’t thake /even/ Narayana, into account. One would expect that you would, in event-prediction, in particular. Varshphal analyses: for 2000- starting at birthday 25 october till 25.october 2001 In this year, there was a serious operation: This is seen at the first sight, lagna is Leo. So this is Dwi Janma Year. a year of "new " birth. Dwi Janma Year(the same lagna as in rashi chart) is known to give serious problems, dangers and health should be watched upon closely. I haven’t seen that- it’s turning point for sure, but how that would be manifested ‘DEPENDS’ as usual, on other indications from the return chart, as well as from other factors present at that time /since we talk jyotis here- MD, at least. It is strong ‘turning point’ indication, as is New Moon/eclipse in return chart, but not necessarily bad, stressful though. Muntha Goes into 12th house of losses and hospitalisation. Munthesh is Chandra and is placed in 2nd house which is maraka. Further chandra is very close to surya so its pakshbal is low, so is somewhat weak. Let's analyse further Lagna and Arudha Lagna to see the body and its direction. While it makes sense to me that 2nd /Lord, placement, etc/ in rashi,vargas,‘symbolic charts’ like AL, Ul.. with maraka status fully taken into account, is in order, I feel that 2nd’s ‘promotion’ of significance, to a full /and exclusive/ maraka meaning in ‘smaller charts’ is a bit exaggerated- Like ‘overstretching the rule’.. Mangal is in lagna , while lagna lord is debilitated surya. So there is danger of accidents/hurts/operations-bleeding of Mangal. However, mangal is in rashi sandhi, at the highest degree. Planets in rashi sandhi may be very dangerous for living things of houses they occupy or rule. So this is confirmed, an operation or bleeding due to mangal. Mangal is in trine with ketu (sadharmi) so he will share the destiny with ketu throughout the year, so operation is confirmed. Ketu is in arudha Lagna whose lord jupiter is placed in 10th house (the prime house of the sceleton/spine) 5th house is secondary house holding ketu and arudha lagna. There is guru and shani in 10th house as 8th and 6th lords which is seriously dangerous for 10th house affairs (spine). Both grahas aspect Shukra which is pakesh dispositor of surya (lagna lord) and responsible for the body. The next question is when? There is a thumb rule which my Guru taught me.. Take each house as one month.. So 9th month from the birthdate will be represented by 9th house. This house is ruled by mangal and aspected by surya and budha. Yes, I clicked on that too- it’s in fact progressed Varshapal in a way- and in conjunction with Varsh. dashas, seems to work nicely So this house is mostly connected to Lagna. Therefore in the 9th month counted from the birthdate, the most important happening related to lagna in Dwi Janma (dangerous) year will take place. This event is indicated by Mars(operation). Further, Mars is lord of the year, so he will indicate operations etc.However, let's crosscheck the events with Dashas. There are two Varshphal dashas in vogue; One is muddha vimshotari, another is Patyhatini Muda Vimshotari Venus/Moon/Mercury Venus is pakesh-dispositor of Lagna lord and is aspected by mars/saturn and jupiter, the planets responsible for spine operation (see above): It is afflicted so relates to body of the native. Moon is lord of muntha, the most important events in the year. Moon rules 12th house of hospitals. Mercury is dispositor of munthesh, and is strong maraka. However, it would be difficult to connect the third level dashas to mercury only, since there are other candidates too. So let's check with Patyayini dasha: The periods were Mars/Mars/Saturn- Due to Mars above anlyses, this is clear and Patyayini dashas shows events better in this case It is also important to note that You should analyse Panchang in Tajaka. For example see the ruler of the weekday of the Varshpahal, It was Mangal, so his position is important. Next see the ruler of Nakshatra- it is Chandra (hasta nakshatra where moon is posited), so chandra will decide the fortune of the year. See also the ruler of Hora of Tajak(varshphal). It will set the main tone/events of the year. E.G. in this chart Hora lord is Guru, and lord 8th house(operation), 10th house (spine), in conjunction with (saturn-chronic disease) who lord 6th house (disease). You may also analyse yearly sahams for crosschecking procedure etc. > … > > By the way, just curious, diidyou take Varshapal into account. What > info V. provided? > > > > Good work indeed, Zoran. Thanks for that > > We are proud of you. > > > > Anna > > Snezana > > > We may also analyse Varshphal for the next events if you wish, but the next time, I am going to bed now.Thank you again. B.T.W. Snezana is name which is very frequent in my country (serbia)? Where do you come from? Best wishes Zoran -- ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath Vedic Centre email: ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net web: www.sjvc.co.yu Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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