Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 Dear Ron, Thanks for the message. I understand you better now /I was on a different side, I see now/- oh, I've been quite aware of the fact that parans in astrology ARE most powerful. And critical happenings do happen /J.F Kennedy/ on locations, where angular placement for the crucial planet happens. It follows Gaugelin work on angularity- and indeed change in location, bringing planets on the angles /J.Lewis work/, does change personal 'destiny'.. I don't know if you are familiar with "Transcendental planets' Research, which powerfully demonstrates how transcendental planets- the least aspected planets in the chart, act powerfully on certain locations when it's placed angularly. But that's just further development from the basic research on angularity. That made me get AGC Software at the first place. I've been very happy with results, although they are based on western charts. And it can be done with sideral, too, as Rober Koch, whom I talk to about this, suggests. Than we can consider angular planets for certain locations, and choose/avoid certain locations based on their nature in our own horoscope. That's quite amazing area- and I do not have any doubt that it really works. It doesn't seem to me that it's been dealt with in jyotish. ---------- color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Now that I am on locational- relocational side, I would like to ask you and everyone, the question about Varshapal- color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"> color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Used to using 'current' location for solar return, I was surprised to see that in V. no matter if you relocated far away from the place of birth, birth location is used. color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"> color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">What's your experience with this? Have anybody tried to use sideral solar return for actual location where the person live? color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"> color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">I would appreciate more information on this. Thanks. Anna 10.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"> RonGaunt [rongaunt (AT) optushome (DOT) com.au] Friday, February 21, 2003 9:19 PM EN-US">gjlistt Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium Anna, I think that Parans are the MOST important of ALL aspects. This includes close conjunctions, because of course these are Parans in their own right with the added power of transit to the angles. Put up a chart and see on your ACG software whether the paran is within orb of the birth place. If it is, it becomes MOST important. Even paran planets not within orb of birthplace are important. This is because at some stage they will come into conjunction with the angles. Also the need to ensure that if either planet is a functional malefic these must be fully explored, to ensure that they do not centre on some future town of domicile. Watch transiting parans they are very powerful because of the dual transit to the angles. I have taken parans a step further. I look for the time that a planet contacts the four angles on the day of birth. I then look for transits to the natal planet at that Mundane point. My initial research suggests that these are more accurate than zodiacal transits. Very often when there is an appropriate planet aspecting a critical point for an event, zodiacal orbs may be up to 5* from exact. By using what I call Mundane transits these generally turn out to have an orb of less than 1* - mostly within 30'. I have demonstrated a number of these on the Sidereal List. sidereal- Ron Gaunt On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:43:36 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Ron, > >I agree completely. Pluto in particular is fascinating, to me. >I also have a feeling, as it's been said in literature, that outers are >more prominent nowadays because humans 'vibrate' on a higher level. > >It's good point, on parans- I do have ACG, but wasn't experimenting on >that. Perhaps, I guess, because outers, Pluto in particular, never miss >'to hit', and 'timing' is not the matter of a day, since they are sooo >slow and persistent. > >Again as for parans, have you explored that? With other planets, and >with progressions in particular-many opine that parans /progression/ are >less intensive, but longer lasting- I'd like to hear your opinion. > >Thanks for your comment. >A. > >RonGaunt [rongaunt (AT) optushome (DOT) com.au] >Friday, February 21, 2003 7:48 PM >gjlist >Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium > >Anna and Sateesh, > >In my experience the outer planets are extremely important - >particularly Pluto. One thing to watch is that with the outers, >the orbs are sometimes not what they seem. Due to latitude an >apparent conjunction can be at times over 30* away. If you have >Astrocartography software or some other software such as Solar >Fire that shows parans to angles you can easily see whether the 2 >dimensional chart orb is anywhere near correct. > > >Ron Gaunt > > > >On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:51:13 -0500, you wrote: > >>Hi Sateesh, >> >>Outers are very powerful, depending on the position, of course. Even if >>not pronounced in birth chart /by aspect- most powerful is >conjunction/, >>I have yet to see one who didn’t experience their manifestations when >>Uranus, Pluto conjunct their luminaries. >>People never forget period when that happened. Transit Pluto over Moon, >>Sun, is so intense, like other-world-experience. Never to forget. I’ve >>experienced Pluto tr Moon, and Uranus tr Sun- life is simply not same >>after their ‘visit’ >> >>Moon conj. Pluto is a very powerful natal configuration- Intensity, >>emotional power struggle, unusual, would be the key words- however, it >>has to be triggered by transit for that intensity to manifest fully, on >>the outside. >> >>Uranus on Asc. Brings touch of genius- or it’s ‘craziness’ or both. Not >>to be ignored, though. In fact Uranus never goes unnoticed, mental >speed >>is high, intellectual professions or at least interests, strong >>individualism, intolerance for restrictions, sometimes weirdness. But >>never neutral or unimportant. Uranus is ‘louder’ but ‘more innocent’ >>than my friend Pluto, that I’m obsessed with /and it does bring >>obsessions, big way... >> >>One important point- Only very close orb should be used. Uran on Asc. >>should be very close to it, to be felt like Uranian Asc, no matter >which >>sigh rises. Pluto even more so. If for example, Uranus, or Pluto is >just >>in the first house, it will be felt, but more within the person that in >>it’s relation with the outside world. Conjunct. with Moon is powerful, >>no matter where it’s placed. >> >>Lots of good books on outers are available now >> >>Anna >> >>Sateesh Batas [makara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com] >>Friday, February 21, 2003 1:44 PM >>gjlist >>Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium >> >>Dear Cynthia, >> >>Thank you for your comments on the outers - very enlightening. >> >>What would the combos. in my chart (see bottom of post) indicate? >> >> >>1) Moon and Pluto are closely conjunct, BUT Moon is in Hasta whereas >>Pluto is in UttaraP. Pluto in 1st closely aspects 1st Lord Mercury in >>7th too. Can you give a brief interpreation? >> >> >>2) Uranus is on the Ascendant, aspecting the Descendent. Any >>pointers as tho the manifestation? Since Uranus is NOT with any Inner >>planets, not sure what this means... >> >>Thanks in advance - I am trying to pick up the Outers as they seem >quite >>valid. >> >>Sateesh. >> >>======== >> >> >>- >>"cynthianovak" <HYPERLINK >>"cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net"cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> >><HYPERLINK "gjlist"gjlist> >>Friday, February 21, 2003 5:53 PM >>Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium >> >>An outer planet alone is impersonal. An outer planet with a personal >>planet becomes intensely personal. >> >>Moon with Pluto gives the quality of "going to the underworld" no >matter >>where that Moon falls. >> >> >>I have found that when an outer planet even comes to the same >>degree...no matter where in the chart...of a personal planet, the >>person's whole session will have the flavor of that outer planet: >> >> >>Uranus theme is the desire to be free. Any and everything is annoying. >>Your pulse goes up and if often feels as if you have a finger stuck in >>an electrical current. You need to be grounded, but may not know how >> >> >>Pluto may be to confront mortality or at least to be pulled as if by an >>invisible current toward big life change. >> >>======== >> >>******************************************************* >>** * * ** >>* * * * * * >>* * * * * * >>* * * * * * >>* * 7 * PL 08:59 * 5 * * >>*NE 13:35 * * MO 11:07 * * * >>* 8 * AS 27:54 * 4 * >>* * * UR 27:21 * * * >>* * * * * * >>* * * * * * >>* * * * * * >>* * * 6 * * * >>** * * ** >>* RA 17:27 9 * 3 KE 17:27 * >>** * * ** >>* * * 12 * * * >>* * * * * * >>* * * * * * >>* * * * * * >>*JU 15:35 * * * * * >>*MA 20:38 10* ME 05:08 * 2 SA 23:24* >>* * * * * * >>* * 11 * SU 02:09* * >>* * * * VE 03:42 * * >>* * * * * * >>* * * * * * >>** * * ** >>******************************************************* >> >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (HYPERLINK >>"http://www.grisoft.com"http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release 18/02/2003 >> >> >> >>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >>: gjlist- >>HYPERLINK "http://www.goravani.com"http://www.goravani.com >> >> >>Your use of is subject to the HYPERLINK >>"" Terms of Service. >> >>--- >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 >> >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 >> > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 Anna, Please see comments ** .......... ** Ron Gaunt On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:20:03 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Ron, > >Thanks for the message. I understand you better now /I was on a >different side, I see now/- oh, I've been quite aware of the fact that >parans in astrology ARE most powerful. And critical happenings do >happen /J.F Kennedy/ on locations, where angular placement for the >crucial planet happens. It follows Gaugelin work on angularity- and >indeed change in location, bringing planets on the angles /J.Lewis >work/, does change personal 'destiny'.. I don't know if you are familiar >with "Transcendental planets' >Research, which powerfully demonstrates how transcendental planets- the >least aspected planets in the chart, act powerfully on certain locations >when it's placed angularly. But that's just further development from the >basic research on angularity. ] ** No I have never studied 'transcendental planets'. However, I am not surprised when any planet acts powerfully when it is angular. ** > >That made me get AGC Software at the first place. I've been very happy >with results, although they are based on western charts. And it can be >done with sideral, too, as Rober Koch, whom I talk to about this, >suggests. >Than we can consider angular planets for certain locations, and >choose/avoid certain locations based on their nature in our own >horoscope. ** Locality certainly works with Sidereal. In fact much better than Tropical because one gets the correct Lordships. I have frequently found a tragedy occurring on a marvelously benefic Jupiter line by Tropical method, but which was actually a functional malefic by the Sidereal method. ** > >That's quite amazing area- and I do not have any doubt that it really >works. >It doesn't seem to me that it's been dealt with in jyotish. ** It is true that Hindu astrologers traditionally do not take into account re-location. I suppose this is due to the fact that in early days few people travelled very far afield. ** > >------ >---- >Now that I am on locational- relocational side, I would like to ask you >and everyone, the question about Varshapal- > >Used to using 'current' location for solar return, I was surprised to >see that in V. no matter if you relocated far away from the place of >birth, birth location is used. > >What's your experience with this? Have anybody tried to use sideral >solar return for actual location where the person live? > >I would appreciate more information on this. > >Thanks. >Anna ** I use Sidereal Solar Returns and prefer to use the relocated location. ** > > > > >RonGaunt [rongaunt] >Friday, February 21, 2003 9:19 PM >gjlist >Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium > > >Anna, > >I think that Parans are the MOST important of ALL aspects. This >includes close conjunctions, because of course these are Parans >in their own right with the added power of transit to the angles. > >Put up a chart and see on your ACG software whether the paran is >within orb of the birth place. If it is, it becomes MOST >important. Even paran planets not within orb of birthplace are >important. This is because at some stage they will come into >conjunction with the angles. Also the need to ensure that if >either planet is a functional malefic these must be fully >explored, to ensure that they do not centre on some future town >of domicile. > >Watch transiting parans they are very powerful because of the >dual transit to the angles. > >I have taken parans a step further. I look for the time that a >planet contacts the four angles on the day of birth. I then look >for transits to the natal planet at that Mundane point. My >initial research suggests that these are more accurate than >zodiacal transits. Very often when there is an appropriate >planet aspecting a critical point for an event, zodiacal orbs may >be up to 5* from exact. By using what I call Mundane transits >these generally turn out to have an orb of less than 1* - mostly >within 30'. > >I have demonstrated a number of these on the Sidereal List. >sidereal- > > >Ron Gaunt > > >On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:43:36 -0500, you wrote: > >>Dear Ron, >> >>I agree completely. Pluto in particular is fascinating, to me. >>I also have a feeling, as it's been said in literature, that outers are >>more prominent nowadays because humans 'vibrate' on a higher level. >> >>It's good point, on parans- I do have ACG, but wasn't experimenting on >>that. Perhaps, I guess, because outers, Pluto in particular, never miss >>'to hit', and 'timing' is not the matter of a day, since they are sooo >>slow and persistent. >> >>Again as for parans, have you explored that? With other planets, and >>with progressions in particular-many opine that parans /progression/ >are >>less intensive, but longer lasting- I'd like to hear your opinion. >> >>Thanks for your comment. >>A. >> >>RonGaunt [rongaunt] >>Friday, February 21, 2003 7:48 PM >>gjlist >>Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium >> >>Anna and Sateesh, >> >>In my experience the outer planets are extremely important - >>particularly Pluto. One thing to watch is that with the outers, >>the orbs are sometimes not what they seem. Due to latitude an >>apparent conjunction can be at times over 30* away. If you have >>Astrocartography software or some other software such as Solar >>Fire that shows parans to angles you can easily see whether the 2 >>dimensional chart orb is anywhere near correct. >> >> >>Ron Gaunt >> >> >> >>On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:51:13 -0500, you wrote: >> >>>Hi Sateesh, >>> >>>Outers are very powerful, depending on the position, of course. Even >if >>>not pronounced in birth chart /by aspect- most powerful is >>conjunction/, >>>I have yet to see one who didn’t experience their manifestations when >>>Uranus, Pluto conjunct their luminaries. >>>People never forget period when that happened. Transit Pluto over >Moon, >>>Sun, is so intense, like other-world-experience. Never to forget. I’ve >>>experienced Pluto tr Moon, and Uranus tr Sun- life is simply not same >>>after their ‘visit’ >>> >>>Moon conj. Pluto is a very powerful natal configuration- Intensity, >>>emotional power struggle, unusual, would be the key words- however, it >>>has to be triggered by transit for that intensity to manifest fully, >on >>>the outside. >>> >>>Uranus on Asc. Brings touch of genius- or it’s ‘craziness’ or both. >Not >>>to be ignored, though. In fact Uranus never goes unnoticed, mental >>speed >>>is high, intellectual professions or at least interests, strong >>>individualism, intolerance for restrictions, sometimes weirdness. But >>>never neutral or unimportant. Uranus is ‘louder’ but ‘more innocent’ >>>than my friend Pluto, that I’m obsessed with /and it does bring >>>obsessions, big way... >>> >>>One important point- Only very close orb should be used. Uran on Asc. >>>should be very close to it, to be felt like Uranian Asc, no matter >>which >>>sigh rises. Pluto even more so. If for example, Uranus, or Pluto is >>just >>>in the first house, it will be felt, but more within the person that >in >>>it’s relation with the outside world. Conjunct. with Moon is powerful, >>>no matter where it’s placed. >>> >>>Lots of good books on outers are available now >>> >>>Anna >>> >>>Sateesh Batas [makara] >>>Friday, February 21, 2003 1:44 PM >>>gjlist >>>Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium >>> >>>Dear Cynthia, >>> >>>Thank you for your comments on the outers - very enlightening. >>> >>>What would the combos. in my chart (see bottom of post) indicate? >>> >>> >>>1) Moon and Pluto are closely conjunct, BUT Moon is in Hasta >whereas >>>Pluto is in UttaraP. Pluto in 1st closely aspects 1st Lord Mercury in >>>7th too. Can you give a brief interpreation? >>> >>> >>>2) Uranus is on the Ascendant, aspecting the Descendent. Any >>>pointers as tho the manifestation? Since Uranus is NOT with any Inner >>>planets, not sure what this means... >>> >>>Thanks in advance - I am trying to pick up the Outers as they seem >>quite >>>valid. >>> >>>Sateesh. >>> >>>======== >>> >>> >>>- >>>"cynthianovak" <HYPERLINK >>>"cynthianovak"cynthianovak >>><HYPERLINK "gjlist"gjlist> >>>Friday, February 21, 2003 5:53 PM >>>Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium >>> >>>An outer planet alone is impersonal. An outer planet with a personal >>>planet becomes intensely personal. >>> >>>Moon with Pluto gives the quality of "going to the underworld" no >>matter >>>where that Moon falls. >>> >>> >>>I have found that when an outer planet even comes to the same >>>degree...no matter where in the chart...of a personal planet, the >>>person's whole session will have the flavor of that outer planet: >>> >>> >>>Uranus theme is the desire to be free. Any and everything is >annoying. >>>Your pulse goes up and if often feels as if you have a finger stuck in >>>an electrical current. You need to be grounded, but may not know how >>> >>> >>>Pluto may be to confront mortality or at least to be pulled as if by >an >>>invisible current toward big life change. >>> >>>======== >>> >>>******************************************************* >>>** * * ** >>>* * * * * * >>>* * * * * * >>>* * * * * * >>>* * 7 * PL 08:59 * 5 * * >>>*NE 13:35 * * MO 11:07 * * * >>>* 8 * AS 27:54 * 4 * >>>* * * UR 27:21 * * * >>>* * * * * * >>>* * * * * * >>>* * * * * * >>>* * * 6 * * * >>>** * * ** >>>* RA 17:27 9 * 3 KE 17:27 * >>>** * * ** >>>* * * 12 * * * >>>* * * * * * >>>* * * * * * >>>* * * * * * >>>*JU 15:35 * * * * * >>>*MA 20:38 10* ME 05:08 * 2 SA 23:24* >>>* * * * * * >>>* * 11 * SU 02:09* * >>>* * * * VE 03:42 * * >>>* * * * * * >>>* * * * * * >>>** * * ** >>>******************************************************* >>> >>> >>>--- >>>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (HYPERLINK >>>"http://www.grisoft.com"http://www.grisoft.com). >>>Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release 18/02/2003 >>> >>> >>> >>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >>>: gjlist- >>>HYPERLINK "http://www.goravani.com"http://www.goravani.com >>> >>> >>>HYPERLINK >>>"" >>> >>>--- >>>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>>Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 >>> >>> >>>--- >>>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>>Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 >>> >> >> >> >> >>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >>: gjlist- >> >> >> >>Your use of is subject to >> >> >> >> >>--- >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 >> >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 >> >> >> >> >> >>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >>: gjlist- >> >> >> >>Your use of is subject to > >> > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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