Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 Dear Cynthia, Haha! Yes, it does swing like a Pendulum, and keeps altering - one moment basking in the crowd's attention, and the next wanting to disappear where no one can find me :-) . Sateesh. ======== - cynthianovak gjlist Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:32 AM Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium Dear Sateesh I tease clients with Uranus on the ASc or Sun that their auric field will vary greatly from day to day. "One day you'll feel comfortable in a crowd, the next day being alone in an elevator is too much to stand. The trick is to learn to work with that energy so it does not fly out at others...unless of course that is what you intend. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 18/02/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 Anna, Please see comments ** ......... ** Ron Gaunt On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:43:36 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Ron, > >I agree completely. Pluto in particular is fascinating, to me. >I also have a feeling, as it's been said in literature, that outers are >more prominent nowadays because humans 'vibrate' on a higher level. ** I think they have always been prominent but interest has been curtailed by the saying that they are 'generational' planets hence not relevant to individuals. Anyone who does a reasonable amount of research on them find this is totally wrong. The outers can be very personal when they interact with other parts of an individuals chart. ** > >It's good point, on parans- I do have ACG, but wasn't experimenting on >that. Perhaps, I guess, because outers, Pluto in particular, never miss >'to hit', and 'timing' is not the matter of a day, since they are sooo >slow and persistent. ** I think that they are more accurate and time related in important events than we suspect. ie. it is hard to see the Twin Towers tragedy without Uranus. ** > >Again as for parans, have you explored that? With other planets, and >with progressions in particular-many opine that parans /progression/ are >less intensive, but longer lasting- I'd like to hear your opinion. ** Anne, I don't know what progressions you are referring to. I went off progressions many years ago when I couldn't see any consistency. I have occasionally travelled back to check an event where indications are obvious by other methods; and always come away asking myself what other people are seeing that I am missing. Having said that, recently on an extended research project I checked all methods. One that stood out and I have found interesting since is Minor progressions. Of the others Tertiaries seem to be the next best and as for the most commonly used - Secondaries - I find they seldom seem work. I admit that I find this disconcerting as some good and well known Western astrologers such as Carter, Hone and Mayo; and even some Western Siderealists who I admire such as Fagan, Bradley and Firebrace all used them. I must say that I prefer to stick with what is actually in the sky. My main method of prediction is using my own method of Solar Eclipses which are very consistent and accurate, together with transits. I have shown the accuracy of the SE by numerous examples for a number of years on other Lists. ** > >Thanks for your comment. >A. > >RonGaunt [rongaunt] >Friday, February 21, 2003 7:48 PM >gjlist >Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium > >Anna and Sateesh, > >In my experience the outer planets are extremely important - >particularly Pluto. One thing to watch is that with the outers, >the orbs are sometimes not what they seem. Due to latitude an >apparent conjunction can be at times over 30* away. If you have >Astrocartography software or some other software such as Solar >Fire that shows parans to angles you can easily see whether the 2 >dimensional chart orb is anywhere near correct. > > >Ron Gaunt > > > >On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:51:13 -0500, you wrote: > >>Hi Sateesh, >> >>Outers are very powerful, depending on the position, of course. Even if >>not pronounced in birth chart /by aspect- most powerful is >conjunction/, >>I have yet to see one who didn’t experience their manifestations when >>Uranus, Pluto conjunct their luminaries. >>People never forget period when that happened. Transit Pluto over Moon, >>Sun, is so intense, like other-world-experience. Never to forget. I’ve >>experienced Pluto tr Moon, and Uranus tr Sun- life is simply not same >>after their ‘visit’ >> >>Moon conj. Pluto is a very powerful natal configuration- Intensity, >>emotional power struggle, unusual, would be the key words- however, it >>has to be triggered by transit for that intensity to manifest fully, on >>the outside. >> >>Uranus on Asc. Brings touch of genius- or it’s ‘craziness’ or both. Not >>to be ignored, though. In fact Uranus never goes unnoticed, mental >speed >>is high, intellectual professions or at least interests, strong >>individualism, intolerance for restrictions, sometimes weirdness. But >>never neutral or unimportant. Uranus is ‘louder’ but ‘more innocent’ >>than my friend Pluto, that I’m obsessed with /and it does bring >>obsessions, big way... >> >>One important point- Only very close orb should be used. Uran on Asc. >>should be very close to it, to be felt like Uranian Asc, no matter >which >>sigh rises. Pluto even more so. If for example, Uranus, or Pluto is >just >>in the first house, it will be felt, but more within the person that in >>it’s relation with the outside world. Conjunct. with Moon is powerful, >>no matter where it’s placed. >> >>Lots of good books on outers are available now >> >>Anna >> >>Sateesh Batas [makara] >>Friday, February 21, 2003 1:44 PM >>gjlist >>Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium >> >>Dear Cynthia, >> >>Thank you for your comments on the outers - very enlightening. >> >>What would the combos. in my chart (see bottom of post) indicate? >> >> >>1) Moon and Pluto are closely conjunct, BUT Moon is in Hasta whereas >>Pluto is in UttaraP. Pluto in 1st closely aspects 1st Lord Mercury in >>7th too. Can you give a brief interpreation? >> >> >>2) Uranus is on the Ascendant, aspecting the Descendent. Any >>pointers as tho the manifestation? Since Uranus is NOT with any Inner >>planets, not sure what this means... >> >>Thanks in advance - I am trying to pick up the Outers as they seem >quite >>valid. >> >>Sateesh. >> >>======== >> >> >>- >>"cynthianovak" <HYPERLINK >>"cynthianovak"cynthianovak >><HYPERLINK "gjlist"gjlist> >>Friday, February 21, 2003 5:53 PM >>Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium >> >>An outer planet alone is impersonal. An outer planet with a personal >>planet becomes intensely personal. >> >>Moon with Pluto gives the quality of "going to the underworld" no >matter >>where that Moon falls. >> >> >>I have found that when an outer planet even comes to the same >>degree...no matter where in the chart...of a personal planet, the >>person's whole session will have the flavor of that outer planet: >> >> >>Uranus theme is the desire to be free. Any and everything is annoying. >>Your pulse goes up and if often feels as if you have a finger stuck in >>an electrical current. You need to be grounded, but may not know how >> >> >>Pluto may be to confront mortality or at least to be pulled as if by an >>invisible current toward big life change. >> >>======== >> >>******************************************************* >>** * * ** >>* * * * * * >>* * * * * * >>* * * * * * >>* * 7 * PL 08:59 * 5 * * >>*NE 13:35 * * MO 11:07 * * * >>* 8 * AS 27:54 * 4 * >>* * * UR 27:21 * * * >>* * * * * * >>* * * * * * >>* * * * * * >>* * * 6 * * * >>** * * ** >>* RA 17:27 9 * 3 KE 17:27 * >>** * * ** >>* * * 12 * * * >>* * * * * * >>* * * * * * >>* * * * * * >>*JU 15:35 * * * * * >>*MA 20:38 10* ME 05:08 * 2 SA 23:24* >>* * * * * * >>* * 11 * SU 02:09* * >>* * * * VE 03:42 * * >>* * * * * * >>* * * * * * >>** * * ** >>******************************************************* >> >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (HYPERLINK >>"http://www.grisoft.com"http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release 18/02/2003 >> >> >> >>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >>: gjlist- >>HYPERLINK "http://www.goravani.com"http://www.goravani.com >> >> >>HYPERLINK >>"" >> >>--- >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 >> >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 >> > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release 2/10/2003 > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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