Definition of stellium

February 20, 2003

Carol said:

> I welcome other input. How do others interpret a stellium?

> c

>

I agree. How many planets in a house, sign? Or what are the other

attributes?

Thanks,

chrys333

February 21, 2003

Dear Chris

A stellium is a group of 4 or more planets (can include luminaries) in a

house. Watching for close orbs this can extend to cross houses. When the

outer planets are included, these formations may last weeks or even a month.

Look at Feb-04-1962 or May 15 2002 for examples of super stelliums. Still,

the gathering of the planets takes time to occur and will manifest in

different extents. I have several of the 2-62 clients. All have success at

manifesting in the material realm. Several in real estate. Note the Saturn

Mars union is Capricorn. One is very spiritually connected to a guru and

donates heavily to her and her ashram. The one who seems to be the most

balanced has a full moon, the one most self centered a new moon.

For most, the gathering of 4 planets shows a focus. I've seen a stellium in

the 8th provide great inheritance but deep emotional turmoil with the same

parent who provided the wealth to take that journey within. I acknowledge

that my clients are pulled from the group of people who can afford to

consult an astrologer and may not be representative of the population as a

whole.

c

-

"Chris Hanlon" <chrys333

Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:46 PM

[GJ] Definition of stellium

> Carol said:

>

> > I welcome other input. How do others interpret a stellium?

> > c

> >

> I agree. How many planets in a house, sign? Or what are the other

> attributes?

> Thanks,

> chrys333

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

February 21, 2003

Dear Cynthia and List,

Very interesting - is that also a trend for most charts, not just those born

during the 1962 stellium?

>>>>The one who seems to be the most balanced has a full moon - the one most

self centered a new moon<<<<

Thanks - Sateesh.

(BTW, yesterday - Moola ruled by Ketu - Mars and Ketu are both Dry/fiery so

would still fit, I guess).

========

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"cynthianovak" <cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>

Friday, February 21, 2003 3:00 PM

Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

I have several of the 2-62 clients. All have success at: manifesting in the

material realm. Several in real estate. Note the Saturn: Mars union is

Capricorn. One is very spiritually connected to a guru and: donates heavily to

her and her ashram. The one who seems to be the most: balanced has a full moon,

the one most self centered a new moon.

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February 21, 2003

Dear Francoise

I don't really have a specific definition. The closer the planets the more

their energies and rulerships merge. When they are very close as in the

2-62 group, it is often difficult to separate say Mars a lord of the 1st

from Saturn lord of the 10th. Self and career are often one even though

these planets are very different and do not typically get along.

Regarding the outer planets they actually INTENSIFY the stellium. The life

will have a Pluto or Uranus theme.

If that theme is in the 8th house it is extremely challenging.

To Sateesh, I have see so many of the '62 stellium that I can really only

speak of them. I have also seen several from the August 20th I think of 55

stellium group.

"Francoise Methot" <francoisemethot

"Goravani Jyotish List" <gjlist>

Friday, February 21, 2003 11:53 AM

Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

> Dear Cynthia,

>

> Just a couple of questions..What is, from your experience, the range of a

> "close orb"? Also, does having 2 or more outer planet modify the intensity

> seeing that the outers are not considered to be as personal?

>

> Francoise :-)

>

> On 2/21/03 10:00, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak wrote:

>

> > Dear Chris

> > A stellium is a group of 4 or more planets (can include luminaries) in a

> > house. Watching for close orbs this can extend to cross houses. When

the

> > outer planets are included, these formations may last weeks or even a

month.

> > Look at Feb-04-1962 or May 15 2002 for examples of super stelliums.

Still,

> > the gathering of the planets takes time to occur and will manifest in

> > different extents. I have several of the 2-62 clients. All have

success at

> > manifesting in the material realm. Several in real estate. Note the

Saturn

> > Mars union is Capricorn. One is very spiritually connected to a guru

and

> > donates heavily to her and her ashram. The one who seems to be the most

> > balanced has a full moon, the one most self centered a new moon.

> >

> > For most, the gathering of 4 planets shows a focus. I've seen a

stellium in

> > the 8th provide great inheritance but deep emotional turmoil with the

same

> > parent who provided the wealth to take that journey within. I

acknowledge

> > that my clients are pulled from the group of people who can afford to

> > consult an astrologer and may not be representative of the population as

a

> > whole.

> >

> > c

> >

> > -

> > "Chris Hanlon" <chrys333

> > <gjlist>

> > Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:46 PM

> > [GJ] Definition of stellium

> >

> >> Carol said:

> >>

> >>> I welcome other input. How do others interpret a stellium?

> >>> c

> >>>

> >> I agree. How many planets in a house, sign? Or what are the other

> >> attributes?

> >> Thanks,

> >> chrys333

> >>

> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> >> : gjlist-

> >>

> >> Your use of is subject to

> >>

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

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February 21, 2003

Dear Cynthia,

Just a couple of questions..What is, from your experience, the range of a

"close orb"? Also, does having 2 or more outer planet modify the intensity

seeing that the outers are not considered to be as personal?

Francoise :-)

On 2/21/03 10:00, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak wrote:

> Dear Chris

> A stellium is a group of 4 or more planets (can include luminaries) in a

> house. Watching for close orbs this can extend to cross houses. When the

> outer planets are included, these formations may last weeks or even a month.

> Look at Feb-04-1962 or May 15 2002 for examples of super stelliums. Still,

> the gathering of the planets takes time to occur and will manifest in

> different extents. I have several of the 2-62 clients. All have success at

> manifesting in the material realm. Several in real estate. Note the Saturn

> Mars union is Capricorn. One is very spiritually connected to a guru and

> donates heavily to her and her ashram. The one who seems to be the most

> balanced has a full moon, the one most self centered a new moon.

>

> For most, the gathering of 4 planets shows a focus. I've seen a stellium in

> the 8th provide great inheritance but deep emotional turmoil with the same

> parent who provided the wealth to take that journey within. I acknowledge

> that my clients are pulled from the group of people who can afford to

> consult an astrologer and may not be representative of the population as a

> whole.

>

> c

>

> -

> "Chris Hanlon" <chrys333

> <gjlist>

> Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:46 PM

> [GJ] Definition of stellium

>

>> Carol said:

>>

>>> I welcome other input. How do others interpret a stellium?

>>> c

>>>

>> I agree. How many planets in a house, sign? Or what are the other

>> attributes?

>> Thanks,

>> chrys333

>>

>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

>> : gjlist-

>>

>> Your use of is subject to

>>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

February 21, 2003

Dear Cynthia,

Thank you for your comments on the outers - very enlightening.

What would the combos. in my chart (see bottom of post) indicate?

1) Moon and Pluto are closely conjunct, BUT Moon is in Hasta whereas Pluto is

in UttaraP. Pluto in 1st closely aspects 1st Lord Mercury in 7th too. Can you

give a brief interpreation?

2) Uranus is on the Ascendant, aspecting the Descendent. Any pointers as tho

the manifestation? Since Uranus is NOT with any Inner planets, not sure what

this means...

Thanks in advance - I am trying to pick up the Outers as they seem quite valid.

Sateesh.

========

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"cynthianovak" <cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>

Friday, February 21, 2003 5:53 PM

Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

An outer planet alone is impersonal. An outer planet with a personal planet

becomes intensely personal.

Moon with Pluto gives the quality of "going to the underworld" no matter where

that Moon falls.

I have found that when an outer planet even comes to the same degree...no

matter where in the chart...of a personal planet, the person's whole session

will have the flavor of that outer planet:

Uranus theme is the desire to be free. Any and everything is annoying. Your

pulse goes up and if often feels as if you have a finger stuck in an electrical

current. You need to be grounded, but may not know how

Pluto may be to confront mortality or at least to be pulled as if by an

invisible current toward big life change.

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February 21, 2003

Om Namo Narayanaya,

Dear Cynthia,

Do send your chart/birthdata with time zone please (if small town was a

place of birth)

8th house stellium is interesting-either walking on the edge of life, or

being deeply involved

into the occult depending on the shuba/papa yoga.

Best wishes

Zoran

cynthianovak wrote:

>Dear Chris

>A stellium is a group of 4 or more planets (can include luminaries) in a

>house. Watching for close orbs this can extend to cross houses. When the

>outer planets are included, these formations may last weeks or even a month.

>Look at Feb-04-1962 or May 15 2002 for examples of super stelliums. Still,

>the gathering of the planets takes time to occur and will manifest in

>different extents. I have several of the 2-62 clients. All have success at

>manifesting in the material realm. Several in real estate. Note the Saturn

>Mars union is Capricorn. One is very spiritually connected to a guru and

>donates heavily to her and her ashram. The one who seems to be the most

>balanced has a full moon, the one most self centered a new moon.

>

>For most, the gathering of 4 planets shows a focus. I've seen a stellium in

>the 8th provide great inheritance but deep emotional turmoil with the same

>parent who provided the wealth to take that journey within. I acknowledge

>that my clients are pulled from the group of people who can afford to

>consult an astrologer and may not be representative of the population as a

>whole.

>

>c

>

>-

>"Chris Hanlon" <chrys333

><gjlist>

>Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:46 PM

>[GJ] Definition of stellium

>

>>Carol said:

>>

>>>I welcome other input. How do others interpret a stellium?

>>>c

>>>

>>I agree. How many planets in a house, sign? Or what are the other

>>attributes?

>>Thanks,

>>chrys333

>>

>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

>>: gjlist-

>>

>>Your use of is subject to

>>

>

>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

>: gjlist-

>

>Your use of is subject to

>

--

ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC

Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath Vedic Centre

email: ahimsa

web: www.sjvc.co.yu

February 21, 2003

Thank you very much Cynthia! I've never really considered outers that much,

but will now..actually the 12th house is quite crowded in my own chart, I

have Jupiter, Ketu, Uranus and Pluto all within 8 degrees of each other in

Virgo. I'll have to look into this more.

Are there other rules that should be considered? I still reading through

introductory books on Vedic astrology so the material I have mentions very

little if anything on the outers and the conjunction of more than 2 planets.

Thanks again!

Francoise :-)

On 2/21/03 12:53, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak wrote:

> Dear Francoise

> I wanted to clarify. An outer planer alone is impersonal. An outer planet

> with a personal planet becomes intensely personal.

> Moon with Pluto gives the quality of "going to the underworld" no matter

> where that Moon falls. Put it in Jyeshta where Pluto falls now and you get

> the most intense manifestation of Jyeshta.

>

> Hope this helps. If you have not looked at the outers I encourage you to

> experiment. I have found that when an outer planet even comes to the same

> degree...no matter where in the chart...of a personal planet, the person's

> whole session will have the flavor of that outer planet:

> Uranus theme is the desire to be free. Any and everything is annoying.

> Your pulse goes up and if often feels as if you have a finger stuck in an

> electrical current. You need to be grounded, but may not know how.

> Neptune the need to get away from the world of responsibility...to retreat

> Pluto may be to confront mortality or at least to be pulled as if by an

> invisible current toward big life change.

>

> c

> -

> "Francoise Methot" <francoisemethot

> "Goravani Jyotish List" <gjlist>

> Friday, February 21, 2003 11:53 AM

> Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

>

>> Dear Cynthia,

>>

>> Just a couple of questions..What is, from your experience, the range of a

>> "close orb"? Also, does having 2 or more outer planet modify the intensity

>> seeing that the outers are not considered to be as personal?

>>

>> Francoise :-)

>>

>> On 2/21/03 10:00, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak wrote:

>>

>>> Dear Chris

>>> A stellium is a group of 4 or more planets (can include luminaries) in a

>>> house. Watching for close orbs this can extend to cross houses. When

> the

>>> outer planets are included, these formations may last weeks or even a

> month.

>>> Look at Feb-04-1962 or May 15 2002 for examples of super stelliums.

> Still,

>>> the gathering of the planets takes time to occur and will manifest in

>>> different extents. I have several of the 2-62 clients. All have

> success at

>>> manifesting in the material realm. Several in real estate. Note the

> Saturn

>>> Mars union is Capricorn. One is very spiritually connected to a guru

> and

>>> donates heavily to her and her ashram. The one who seems to be the most

>>> balanced has a full moon, the one most self centered a new moon.

>>>

>>> For most, the gathering of 4 planets shows a focus. I've seen a

> stellium in

>>> the 8th provide great inheritance but deep emotional turmoil with the

> same

>>> parent who provided the wealth to take that journey within. I

> acknowledge

>>> that my clients are pulled from the group of people who can afford to

>>> consult an astrologer and may not be representative of the population as

> a

>>> whole.

>>>

>>> c

>>>

>>> -

>>> "Chris Hanlon" <chrys333

>>> <gjlist>

>>> Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:46 PM

>>> [GJ] Definition of stellium

>>>

>>>> Carol said:

>>>>

>>>>> I welcome other input. How do others interpret a stellium?

>>>>> c

>>>>>

>>>> I agree. How many planets in a house, sign? Or what are the other

>>>> attributes?

>>>> Thanks,

>>>> chrys333

>>>>

>>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

>>>> : gjlist-

>>>>

>>>> Your use of is subject to

>

>>>>

>>>

>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

>>> : gjlist-

>>>

>>> Your use of is subject to

>

>>>

>>

>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

>> : gjlist-

>>

>> Your use of is subject to

>>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

February 21, 2003

Dear Francoise

You much be a 60's child! That Uranus and Pluto are a revolutionary

combination. Uranus was discovered in the 1700's during the period known

historically as the "revolutionary" period. Pluto was discovered in the lat

30's just as atomic energy was discovered. In this instance it is indeed a

generation combination and as Pluto squared (4-10) Pluto many of y'all were

triggered to try new a different things. Jupiter helps to give a generous

quality. Ketu would, in my opinion, reflect the qualities of the others. I

would not see this as having the intense personal like qualities that I

would expect if Sun, Moon, Mars, Venus or even Mercury were involved. THat

does not mean that you cannot be carried away by ideas, causes or even a

good story (all Jupiter)

smiles

c

-

"Francoise Methot" <francoisemethot

"Goravani Jyotish List" <gjlist>

Friday, February 21, 2003 1:45 PM

Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

> Thank you very much Cynthia! I've never really considered outers that

much,

> but will now..actually the 12th house is quite crowded in my own chart, I

> have Jupiter, Ketu, Uranus and Pluto all within 8 degrees of each other in

> Virgo. I'll have to look into this more.

>

> Are there other rules that should be considered? I still reading through

> introductory books on Vedic astrology so the material I have mentions very

> little if anything on the outers and the conjunction of more than 2

planets.

>

> Thanks again!

> Francoise :-)

>

> On 2/21/03 12:53, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak wrote:

>

> > Dear Francoise

> > I wanted to clarify. An outer planer alone is impersonal. An outer

planet

> > with a personal planet becomes intensely personal.

> > Moon with Pluto gives the quality of "going to the underworld" no matter

> > where that Moon falls. Put it in Jyeshta where Pluto falls now and you

get

> > the most intense manifestation of Jyeshta.

> >

> > Hope this helps. If you have not looked at the outers I encourage you to

> > experiment. I have found that when an outer planet even comes to the

same

> > degree...no matter where in the chart...of a personal planet, the

person's

> > whole session will have the flavor of that outer planet:

> > Uranus theme is the desire to be free. Any and everything is annoying.

> > Your pulse goes up and if often feels as if you have a finger stuck in

an

> > electrical current. You need to be grounded, but may not know how.

> > Neptune the need to get away from the world of responsibility...to

retreat

> > Pluto may be to confront mortality or at least to be pulled as if by an

> > invisible current toward big life change.

> >

> > c

> > -

> > "Francoise Methot" <francoisemethot

> > "Goravani Jyotish List" <gjlist>

> > Friday, February 21, 2003 11:53 AM

> > Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

> >

> >> Dear Cynthia,

> >>

> >> Just a couple of questions..What is, from your experience, the range of

a

> >> "close orb"? Also, does having 2 or more outer planet modify the

intensity

> >> seeing that the outers are not considered to be as personal?

> >>

> >> Francoise :-)

> >>

> >> On 2/21/03 10:00, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak wrote:

> >>

> >>> Dear Chris

> >>> A stellium is a group of 4 or more planets (can include luminaries) in

a

> >>> house. Watching for close orbs this can extend to cross houses.

When

> > the

> >>> outer planets are included, these formations may last weeks or even a

> > month.

> >>> Look at Feb-04-1962 or May 15 2002 for examples of super stelliums.

> > Still,

> >>> the gathering of the planets takes time to occur and will manifest in

> >>> different extents. I have several of the 2-62 clients. All have

> > success at

> >>> manifesting in the material realm. Several in real estate. Note the

> > Saturn

> >>> Mars union is Capricorn. One is very spiritually connected to a guru

> > and

> >>> donates heavily to her and her ashram. The one who seems to be the

most

> >>> balanced has a full moon, the one most self centered a new moon.

> >>>

> >>> For most, the gathering of 4 planets shows a focus. I've seen a

> > stellium in

> >>> the 8th provide great inheritance but deep emotional turmoil with the

> > same

> >>> parent who provided the wealth to take that journey within. I

> > acknowledge

> >>> that my clients are pulled from the group of people who can afford to

> >>> consult an astrologer and may not be representative of the population

as

> > a

> >>> whole.

> >>>

> >>> c

> >>>

> >>> -

> >>> "Chris Hanlon" <chrys333

> >>> <gjlist>

> >>> Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:46 PM

> >>> [GJ] Definition of stellium

> >>>

> >>>> Carol said:

> >>>>

> >>>>> I welcome other input. How do others interpret a stellium?

> >>>>> c

> >>>>>

> >>>> I agree. How many planets in a house, sign? Or what are the other

> >>>> attributes?

> >>>> Thanks,

> >>>> chrys333

> >>>>

> >>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> >>>> : gjlist-

> >>>>

> >>>> Your use of is subject to

> >

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> >>> : gjlist-

> >>>

> >>> Your use of is subject to

> >

> >>>

> >>

> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> >> : gjlist-

> >>

> >> Your use of is subject to

> >>

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

February 21, 2003

Dear Zoran,

I do not have this combination. I have seen it at work. I'll send you the

data if I can remember who it was. Smiles

c

-

"Zoran Radosavljevic" <ahimsa

Friday, February 21, 2003 1:08 PM

Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

> Om Namo Narayanaya,

> Dear Cynthia,

> Do send your chart/birthdata with time zone please (if small town was a

> place of birth)

> 8th house stellium is interesting-either walking on the edge of life, or

> being deeply involved

> into the occult depending on the shuba/papa yoga.

> Best wishes

> Zoran

>

> cynthianovak wrote:

>

> >Dear Chris

> >A stellium is a group of 4 or more planets (can include luminaries) in a

> >house. Watching for close orbs this can extend to cross houses. When

the

> >outer planets are included, these formations may last weeks or even a

month.

> >Look at Feb-04-1962 or May 15 2002 for examples of super stelliums.

Still,

> >the gathering of the planets takes time to occur and will manifest in

> >different extents. I have several of the 2-62 clients. All have success

at

> >manifesting in the material realm. Several in real estate. Note the

Saturn

> >Mars union is Capricorn. One is very spiritually connected to a guru and

> >donates heavily to her and her ashram. The one who seems to be the most

> >balanced has a full moon, the one most self centered a new moon.

> >

> >For most, the gathering of 4 planets shows a focus. I've seen a stellium

in

> >the 8th provide great inheritance but deep emotional turmoil with the

same

> >parent who provided the wealth to take that journey within. I acknowledge

> >that my clients are pulled from the group of people who can afford to

> >consult an astrologer and may not be representative of the population as

a

> >whole.

> >

> >c

> >

> >-

> >"Chris Hanlon" <chrys333

> ><gjlist>

> >Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:46 PM

> >[GJ] Definition of stellium

> >

> >>Carol said:

> >>

> >>>I welcome other input. How do others interpret a stellium?

> >>>c

> >>>

> >>I agree. How many planets in a house, sign? Or what are the other

> >>attributes?

> >>Thanks,

> >>chrys333

> >>

> >>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> >>: gjlist-

> >>

> >>Your use of is subject to

> >>

> >

> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> >: gjlist-

> >

> >Your use of is subject to

> >

>

> --

> ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC

> Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath Vedic Centre

> email: ahimsa

> web: www.sjvc.co.yu

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

February 21, 2003

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hi Sateesh,

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Outers are very powerful, depending on the

position, of course. Even if not pronounced in birth chart /by aspect- most

powerful is conjunction/, I have yet to see one who didn’t experience their

manifestations when Uranus, Pluto

conjunct their luminaries.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">People never forget period when that

happened. Transit Pluto over Moon, Sun, is so intense, like

other-world-experience. Never to forget. I’ve experienced Pluto tr Moon,

and Uranus tr Sun- life is simply not same after their ‘visit’

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Moon conj. Pluto is a very powerful natal

configuration- Intensity, emotional power struggle, unusual, would be the key

words- however, it has to be triggered by transit for that intensity to

manifest fully, on the outside.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Uranus on Asc. Brings touch of genius- or

it’s ‘craziness’ or both. Not to be ignored, though. In fact

Uranus never goes unnoticed, mental speed is high, intellectual professions or

at least interests, strong individualism, intolerance for restrictions,

sometimes weirdness. But never neutral or unimportant. Uranus is ‘louder’

but ‘more innocent’ than my friend Pluto, that I’m obsessed

with /and it does bring obsessions, big way...

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">One important point- Only very close orb

should be used. Uran on Asc. should be very close to it, to be felt like

Uranian Asc, no matter which sigh rises. Pluto even more so. If for example,

Uranus, or Pluto is just in the first house, it will be felt, but more within

the person that in it’s relation with the outside world. Conjunct. with Moon

is powerful, no matter where it’s placed.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Lots of good books on outers are available

now

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Anna

Sateesh Batas

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10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Friday, February 21, 2003

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Re: [GJ] Definition of

stellium

Dear Cynthia,

Thank you for your comments on the

outers - very enlightening.

What would the combos. in my chart

(see bottom of post) indicate?

1) Moon and Pluto

are closely conjunct, BUT Moon is in Hasta whereas Pluto is in UttaraP.

Pluto in 1st closely aspects 1st Lord Mercury in 7th too. Can you give a

brief interpreation?

2) Uranus is on

the Ascendant, aspecting the Descendent. Any pointers as tho the

manifestation? Since Uranus is NOT with any Inner planets, not sure what

this means...

Thanks in advance - I am trying to

pick up the Outers as they seem quite valid.

Sateesh.

========

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"cynthianovak" <cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>

Friday, February 21, 2003 5:53

PM

Re: [GJ] Definition of

stellium

An outer planet alone is

impersonal. An outer planet with a personal planet becomes intensely

personal.

Moon with Pluto gives the quality of

"going to the underworld" no matter where that Moon falls.

I have found that when an outer planet even comes to the same degree...no

matter where in the chart...of a personal planet, the person's whole session

will have the flavor of that outer planet:

Uranus theme is the desire to be

free. Any and everything is annoying. Your pulse goes up and if

often feels as if you have a finger stuck in an electrical current. You

need to be grounded, but may not know how

Pluto may be to confront mortality

or at least to be pulled as if by an invisible current toward big life change.

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Dear Anna,Many thanks for your reply - comments below in CAPS.----- Original

Message ----- jb gjlist Friday, February 21,

2003 10:51 PMRE: [GJ] Definition of stellium Outers are very powerful,

depending on the position, of course. Even if not pronounced in birth chart /by

aspect- most powerful is conjunction/, I have yet to see one who didn’t

experience their manifestations when Uranus, Pluto conjunct their

luminaries.People never forget period when that happened. Transit Pluto over

Moon, Sun, is so intense, like other-world-experience. Never to forget. I’ve

experienced Pluto tr Moon, and Uranus tr Sun- life is simply not same after

their ‘visit’I'LL BACK-TRACK OVER THESE TRS TO MY NT PLACEMENTS, AND LET YOU

KNOW OF ANY SIGNIFICANT FINDINGS.

Moon conj. Pluto is a very powerful natal configuration- Intensity, emotional

power struggle, unusual, would be the key words- however, it has to be

triggered by transit for that intensity to manifest fully, on the outside.

SOUNDS RIGHT :-) .

Uranus on Asc. Brings touch of genius- or it’s ‘craziness’ or both. Not to be

ignored, though. In fact Uranus never goes unnoticed, mental speed is high,

intellectual professions or at least interests, strong individualism,

intolerance for restrictions, sometimes weirdness. But never neutral or

unimportant. Uranus is ‘louder’ but ‘more innocent’ than my friend Pluto, that

I’m obsessed with /and it does bring obsessions, big way...

YES, OBSESSIVE-COMPULSIVE DISODER, AND OBSESSIVENESS WITH SOME THINGS - ALTHOUGH

PERHAPS THE LATTER IS ALSO A VIRGO TRAIT IN GENERAL :-) .

One important point- Only very close orb should be used. Uran on Asc. should be

very close to it, to be felt like Uranian Asc, no matter which sigh rises.

MY CHART IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE POST - URANUS WITHIN ABOUT 1/2 A DEGREE OF LAGNA.

Pluto even more so. If for example, Uranus, or Pluto is just in the first house,

it will be felt, but more within the person that in it’s relation with the

outside world. Conjunct. with Moon is powerful, no matter where it’s placed.

AGREED. TIGHTER ORBS GIVE MORE SIGNIFICANT RESULTS.

Thanks much - Sateesh.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">With Uranus on Asc. You have to be very

careful, unless you are an artist- your boss will most likely think slower than

you do, or even much slower, and he/she will be the first to know that and feel

threatened- the more independent you are in your job, the better for you /In

this case Pluto/Moon in 1st, can actually help- you would be more ‘secretive’

and ‘controlling’ and ‘more dangerous’ ,at the same

time, as an opponent, poor looser, definitively. How to relax and unwind is a

real challenge, though/

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">As per Virgo- yes, but it’s usually

milder/and different/ than when Pluto enters the picture- than that becomes

deeper obsessive ness. Certain level of ‘obsession’ is necessary

for anything to be accomplished, so I guess you would be typical ‘high

achiever’, right? /

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">To get a feel of Pluto-obsession, you may

also want to explore what I call ‘cosmic joke”- look at people

experiencing transit of Pluto over their Venus, falling madly in love

obsessively /often even with Plutonian individuals/ no matter what their age, circumstances.

A.

I’ll

look at your chart, but can you please send me ‘raw’ data?

Sateesh Batas

[makara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com]

Tahoma">Friday, February 21, 2003

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Dear Anna,

Many thanks for your reply - comments below in CAPS.

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jb

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21, 2003

Arial">10:51 PM

RE: [GJ] Definition of stellium

Outers are very powerful, depending on the position, of course. Even if not

pronounced in birth chart /by aspect- most powerful is conjunction/, I have yet

to see one who didn’t experience their manifestations when Uranus,

Pluto conjunct their luminaries.

People never forget period when that happened. Transit Pluto over Moon, Sun, is

so intense, like other-world-experience. Never to forget. I’ve

experienced Pluto tr Moon, and Uranus tr Sun- life is simply not same after

their ‘visit’

I'LL BACK-TRACK OVER THESE TRS TO MY NT PLACEMENTS, AND LET YOU KNOW OF ANY

SIGNIFICANT FINDINGS.

Moon conj. Pluto is a very powerful natal configuration- Intensity, emotional

power struggle, unusual, would be the key words- however, it has to be

triggered by transit for that intensity to manifest fully, on the

outside.

SOUNDS RIGHT :-) .

Uranus on Asc. Brings touch of genius- or it’s ‘craziness’ or

both. Not to be ignored, though. In fact Uranus never goes unnoticed, mental

speed is high, intellectual professions or at least interests, strong

individualism, intolerance for restrictions, sometimes weirdness. But never

neutral or unimportant. Uranus is ‘louder’ but ‘more

innocent’ than my friend Pluto, that I’m obsessed with /and it does

bring obsessions, big way...

YES, OBSESSIVE-COMPULSIVE DISODER,

AND OBSESSIVENESS WITH SOME THINGS - ALTHOUGH PERHAPS THE LATTER IS ALSO A

VIRGO TRAIT IN GENERAL :-) .

One important point- Only very close orb should be used. Uran on Asc. should be

very close to it, to be felt like Uranian Asc, no matter which sigh rises.

MY CHART IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE

POST - URANUS WITHIN ABOUT 1/2 A DEGREE OF LAGNA.

Pluto even more so. If for example,

Uranus, or Pluto is just in the first house, it will be felt, but more within

the person that in it’s relation with the outside world. Conjunct. with

Moon is powerful, no matter where it’s placed.

AGREED. TIGHTER ORBS GIVE MORE

SIGNIFICANT RESULTS.

Thanks much - Sateesh.

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Dear Cynthia,

Yep! A 60's child for sure, I just made it in though, born in 69, just in

time for Woodstock and Man's first trip to the Moon. I'm going to check some

of my friend's charts (those who were born in and around the 60's) and see

what I discover..Thanks again!

Francoise :-)

On 2/21/03 15:57, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak wrote:

> Dear Francoise

> You much be a 60's child! That Uranus and Pluto are a revolutionary

> combination. Uranus was discovered in the 1700's during the period known

> historically as the "revolutionary" period. Pluto was discovered in the lat

> 30's just as atomic energy was discovered. In this instance it is indeed a

> generation combination and as Pluto squared (4-10) Pluto many of y'all were

> triggered to try new a different things. Jupiter helps to give a generous

> quality. Ketu would, in my opinion, reflect the qualities of the others. I

> would not see this as having the intense personal like qualities that I

> would expect if Sun, Moon, Mars, Venus or even Mercury were involved. THat

> does not mean that you cannot be carried away by ideas, causes or even a

> good story (all Jupiter)

> smiles

> c

> -

> "Francoise Methot" <francoisemethot

> "Goravani Jyotish List" <gjlist>

> Friday, February 21, 2003 1:45 PM

> Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

>

>> Thank you very much Cynthia! I've never really considered outers that

> much,

>> but will now..actually the 12th house is quite crowded in my own chart, I

>> have Jupiter, Ketu, Uranus and Pluto all within 8 degrees of each other in

>> Virgo. I'll have to look into this more.

>>

>> Are there other rules that should be considered? I still reading through

>> introductory books on Vedic astrology so the material I have mentions very

>> little if anything on the outers and the conjunction of more than 2

> planets.

>>

>> Thanks again!

>> Francoise :-)

>>

>> On 2/21/03 12:53, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak wrote:

>>

>>> Dear Francoise

>>> I wanted to clarify. An outer planer alone is impersonal. An outer

> planet

>>> with a personal planet becomes intensely personal.

>>> Moon with Pluto gives the quality of "going to the underworld" no matter

>>> where that Moon falls. Put it in Jyeshta where Pluto falls now and you

> get

>>> the most intense manifestation of Jyeshta.

>>>

>>> Hope this helps. If you have not looked at the outers I encourage you to

>>> experiment. I have found that when an outer planet even comes to the

> same

>>> degree...no matter where in the chart...of a personal planet, the

> person's

>>> whole session will have the flavor of that outer planet:

>>> Uranus theme is the desire to be free. Any and everything is annoying.

>>> Your pulse goes up and if often feels as if you have a finger stuck in

> an

>>> electrical current. You need to be grounded, but may not know how.

>>> Neptune the need to get away from the world of responsibility...to

> retreat

>>> Pluto may be to confront mortality or at least to be pulled as if by an

>>> invisible current toward big life change.

>>>

>>> c

>>> -

>>> "Francoise Methot" <francoisemethot

>>> "Goravani Jyotish List" <gjlist>

>>> Friday, February 21, 2003 11:53 AM

>>> Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

>>>

>>>> Dear Cynthia,

>>>>

>>>> Just a couple of questions..What is, from your experience, the range of

> a

>>>> "close orb"? Also, does having 2 or more outer planet modify the

> intensity

>>>> seeing that the outers are not considered to be as personal?

>>>>

>>>> Francoise :-)

>>>>

>>>> On 2/21/03 10:00, "cynthianovak" <cynthianovak wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Dear Chris

>>>>> A stellium is a group of 4 or more planets (can include luminaries) in

> a

>>>>> house. Watching for close orbs this can extend to cross houses.

> When

>>> the

>>>>> outer planets are included, these formations may last weeks or even a

>>> month.

>>>>> Look at Feb-04-1962 or May 15 2002 for examples of super stelliums.

>>> Still,

>>>>> the gathering of the planets takes time to occur and will manifest in

>>>>> different extents. I have several of the 2-62 clients. All have

>>> success at

>>>>> manifesting in the material realm. Several in real estate. Note the

>>> Saturn

>>>>> Mars union is Capricorn. One is very spiritually connected to a guru

>>> and

>>>>> donates heavily to her and her ashram. The one who seems to be the

> most

>>>>> balanced has a full moon, the one most self centered a new moon.

>>>>>

>>>>> For most, the gathering of 4 planets shows a focus. I've seen a

>>> stellium in

>>>>> the 8th provide great inheritance but deep emotional turmoil with the

>>> same

>>>>> parent who provided the wealth to take that journey within. I

>>> acknowledge

>>>>> that my clients are pulled from the group of people who can afford to

>>>>> consult an astrologer and may not be representative of the population

> as

>>> a

>>>>> whole.

>>>>>

>>>>> c

>>>>>

>>>>> -

>>>>> "Chris Hanlon" <chrys333

>>>>> <gjlist>

>>>>> Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:46 PM

>>>>> [GJ] Definition of stellium

>>>>>

>>>>>> Carol said:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I welcome other input. How do others interpret a stellium?

>>>>>>> c

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> I agree. How many planets in a house, sign? Or what are the other

>>>>>> attributes?

>>>>>> Thanks,

>>>>>> chrys333

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

>>>>>> : gjlist-

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Dear Anna,- jb gjlist Sent:

Friday, February 21, 2003 11:32 PMRE: [GJ] Definition of stelliumDear

Sateesh, One warning: With Uranus on Asc. You have to be very careful, unless

you are an artist- your boss will most likely think slower than you do, or even

much slower, and he/she will be the first to know that and feel threatened- the

more independent you are in your job, the better for you

THIS IS VERY TRUE! SEVERAL PREVIOUS BOSSES HAVE TOLD ME TO SLOW DOWN - AND SOME

I HAVE EVEN USURPED ON THE MONEY SIDE (BEING OF LOWER RANK, BUT BEING A

CONTRACTOR WHILE THEY WERE PERMANENT STAFF) - IT HAS ALSO INCITED COLLEAGUES,

WHO HAVE COMMENTED THE SPEED AT PICKING UP (NEW) SYSTEMS QUICKLY MAKES THEM

LOOK BAD.

I WAS WITH AN AIRLINE FOR 4 YEARS AS STAFF, THEN TOOK TO CONTRACTING AS I CAN'T

STAND CORPORATE POLITICS WHICH PERMANENT STAFF GET SUBJECTED TO.

/In this case Pluto/Moon in 1st, can actually help- you would be more

‘secretive’ and ‘controlling’ and ‘more dangerous’ ,at the same time, as an

opponent, poor looser, definitively. How to relax and unwind is a real

challenge, though/

RIGHT ON IT HERE! ON ALL COUNTS - I LOVE WORKING ALONE AS MUCH AS I CAN, AND IF

I DO NEED HELP I PREFER IT REMOTELY (OVERSEAS COLLEAGUES, OR THOSE IN AN OFFICE

NOT ON MY SITE ITSELF).

As per Virgo- yes, but it’s usually milder/and different/ than when Pluto

enters the picture- than that becomes deeper obsessive ness. Certain level of

‘obsession’ is necessary for anything to be accomplished, so I guess you would

be typical ‘high achiever’, right? /

AT WORK, YES - ALTHOUGH THE INDEPENDENCE FACTOR HAS BEEN KNOWN TO WORK BOTH FOR

AND AGAINST ME! CAN BE A LITTLE TOO INDEPENDENT/ISOLATING.

To get a feel of Pluto-obsession, you may also want to explore what I call

‘cosmic joke”- look at people experiencing transit of Pluto over their Venus,

falling madly in love obsessively /often even with Plutonian individuals/ no

matter what their age, circumstances.

INTERESTING - I'LL CHECK THAT OUT.

I’ll look at your chart, but can you please send me ‘raw’ data?

THANKS - HERE YOU GO -

Apr 15,1973Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1Hounslow, EnglandLongitude: 0W22

Latitude: 51N29Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:29 365.25 Day YearCurrent Period: Ra/Ve/Sa

As 27:54 Vi Chitra Ma

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Anna and Sateesh,

In my experience the outer planets are extremely important -

particularly Pluto. One thing to watch is that with the outers,

the orbs are sometimes not what they seem. Due to latitude an

apparent conjunction can be at times over 30* away. If you have

Astrocartography software or some other software such as Solar

Fire that shows parans to angles you can easily see whether the 2

dimensional chart orb is anywhere near correct.

Ron Gaunt

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:51:13 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Sateesh,

>

>Outers are very powerful, depending on the position, of course. Even if

>not pronounced in birth chart /by aspect- most powerful is conjunction/,

>I have yet to see one who didn’t experience their manifestations when

>Uranus, Pluto conjunct their luminaries.

>People never forget period when that happened. Transit Pluto over Moon,

>Sun, is so intense, like other-world-experience. Never to forget. I’ve

>experienced Pluto tr Moon, and Uranus tr Sun- life is simply not same

>after their ‘visit’

>

>Moon conj. Pluto is a very powerful natal configuration- Intensity,

>emotional power struggle, unusual, would be the key words- however, it

>has to be triggered by transit for that intensity to manifest fully, on

>the outside.

>

>Uranus on Asc. Brings touch of genius- or it’s ‘craziness’ or both. Not

>to be ignored, though. In fact Uranus never goes unnoticed, mental speed

>is high, intellectual professions or at least interests, strong

>individualism, intolerance for restrictions, sometimes weirdness. But

>never neutral or unimportant. Uranus is ‘louder’ but ‘more innocent’

>than my friend Pluto, that I’m obsessed with /and it does bring

>obsessions, big way...

>

>One important point- Only very close orb should be used. Uran on Asc.

>should be very close to it, to be felt like Uranian Asc, no matter which

>sigh rises. Pluto even more so. If for example, Uranus, or Pluto is just

>in the first house, it will be felt, but more within the person that in

>it’s relation with the outside world. Conjunct. with Moon is powerful,

>no matter where it’s placed.

>

>Lots of good books on outers are available now

>

>Anna

>

>Sateesh Batas [makara]

>Friday, February 21, 2003 1:44 PM

>gjlist

>Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

>

>Dear Cynthia,

>

>Thank you for your comments on the outers - very enlightening.

>

>What would the combos. in my chart (see bottom of post) indicate?

>

>1) Moon and Pluto are closely conjunct, BUT Moon is in Hasta whereas

>Pluto is in UttaraP. Pluto in 1st closely aspects 1st Lord Mercury in

>7th too. Can you give a brief interpreation?

>

>2) Uranus is on the Ascendant, aspecting the Descendent. Any

>pointers as tho the manifestation? Since Uranus is NOT with any Inner

>planets, not sure what this means...

>

>Thanks in advance - I am trying to pick up the Outers as they seem quite

>valid.

>

>Sateesh.

>

>========

>

>-

>"cynthianovak" <HYPERLINK

>"cynthianovak"cynthianovak

><HYPERLINK "gjlist"gjlist>

>Friday, February 21, 2003 5:53 PM

>Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

>

>An outer planet alone is impersonal. An outer planet with a personal

>planet becomes intensely personal.

>

>Moon with Pluto gives the quality of "going to the underworld" no matter

>where that Moon falls.

>

>I have found that when an outer planet even comes to the same

>degree...no matter where in the chart...of a personal planet, the

>person's whole session will have the flavor of that outer planet:

>

>Uranus theme is the desire to be free. Any and everything is annoying.

>Your pulse goes up and if often feels as if you have a finger stuck in

>an electrical current. You need to be grounded, but may not know how

>

>Pluto may be to confront mortality or at least to be pulled as if by an

>invisible current toward big life change.

>

>========

>

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Dear Ron,

Nice to hear from you again. And thank you - I am not sure what GJ software

uses to calculate this "eccentricity" of the Outers - and is it Pluto that has

a "non-regular" orbit?

I take it the comments you have made on my birth time in the recent past have

identified the Outers in my NT chart were correct as per the GJ parameters

tallied with what you also used.

Sateesh.

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Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

Anna and Sateesh,In my experience the outer planets are extremely important

-particularly Pluto. One thing to watch is that with the outers,the orbs are

sometimes not what they seem. Due to latitude anapparent conjunction can be

at times over 30* away. If you have Astrocartography software or some other

software such as SolarFire that shows parans to angles you can easily see

whether the 2dimensional chart orb is anywhere near correct.

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Sateesh,

Please see comments ** ......... **

Ron Gaunt

On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:52:24 -0000, you wrote:

>Dear Ron,

>

>Nice to hear from you again. And thank you - I am not sure what GJ software

uses to calculate this "eccentricity" of the Outers - and is it Pluto that has a

"non-regular" orbit?

** I presume that like most astrology software GJ presents all

planet's poszitons in the zodiac. This does not take into

account its latitude position. Yes Pluto has an eccentric

orbit **

>

>I take it the comments you have made on my birth time in the recent past have

identified the Outers in my NT chart were correct as per the GJ parameters

tallied with what you also used.

>

>Sateesh.

** Yes, where I have referred to 'ascensional transits' this

takes the deviation due to latititude into account. I have

incidentally renamed these Mundane Transits (MuTr) as I have

extended their use to aspects as well as transits to the

angles. **

>

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>

>Anna and Sateesh,

>

>In my experience the outer planets are extremely important -

>particularly Pluto. One thing to watch is that with the outers,

>the orbs are sometimes not what they seem. Due to latitude an

>apparent conjunction can be at times over 30* away. If you have

>Astrocartography software or some other software such as Solar

>Fire that shows parans to angles you can easily see whether the 2

>dimensional chart orb is anywhere near correct.

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Hi Sateesh

I'll give it a try

1) Moon and Pluto are closely conjunct, BUT Moon is in Hasta whereas Pluto is

in UttaraP. Pluto in 1st closely aspects 1st Lord Mercury in 7th too. Can you

give a brief interpreation?

Here Hasta will likely dominate. HAsta is very anatytical and good with the

hands: engineering or computer programming are often seen with Hasta Moon. To

combine that with Pluto, the god of the underworld, you need to take great care

NOT to mentally tangle yourself in knots. Moon with Pluto intensifies

everything. Can be extremely intuitive: a sort of x-ray vision to people or

problems. It can also look at things from so many angles that you are

immobilized. "I could do so many different things it is difficult topick one

thing." Moon with Pluto in Hasta is really good for reorganizing a business or

a problem of any kind from the bottom up.

2) Uranus is on the Ascendant, aspecting the Descendent. Any pointers as tho

the manifestation? Since Uranus is NOT with any Inner planets, not sure what

this means...

Uranus on the 1st give a high vibrational energy to the native. Here, you may

often feel as if people are staring at you when you are walking down the

street: That may indeed be true! There is an unconventional quality. Uranus

loves to be free and this placement is usually good at creating a different

path for yourself. It is difficult to fit into the mold of your family, you

walk to a different beat. You alwyas knew you were different, but thought that

no one noticed. Everyone always knew it too, but family hoped it would change in

time <grins> THis is a good placement for creativity and invention. I like to

think of Uranus as a wizard. When it sits in the front of your chart you are

the wizard. It also lends a quality of distance and sometimes makes it

difficult to be openly emotional. All the energy is so unique that you may

surprise people with your unique perspecitve or studies. IT is great for being

the first to do anything. It is hard when you wish you could just be like

everyone else. It does throw its energy into the 7th so relationships are

either very free or may be few. You are looking for a quality or sensation

that you can pick up rather than an appearance. This is also really good for

energy healing. In fact, when you combine this with the Moon Pluto, you might

be a draned good intuitive. Any indication for medical intuition? That was

just a thought that flashed through.

Thanks in advance - I am trying to pick up the Outers as they seem quite valid.

Sateesh.

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Friday, February 21, 2003 5:53 PM

Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

An outer planet alone is impersonal. An outer planet with a personal planet

becomes intensely personal.

Moon with Pluto gives the quality of "going to the underworld" no matter where

that Moon falls.

I have found that when an outer planet even comes to the same degree...no matter

where in the chart...of a personal planet, the person's whole session will have

the flavor of that outer planet:

Uranus theme is the desire to be free. Any and everything is annoying. Your

pulse goes up and if often feels as if you have a finger stuck in an electrical

current. You need to be grounded, but may not know how

Pluto may be to confront mortality or at least to be pulled as if by an

invisible current toward big life change.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Sateesh,

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">My comments are bellow

Sateesh Batas

[makara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com]

10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Friday, February 21, 2003

font-family:Tahoma">7:42 PM

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Re: [GJ] Definition of

stellium

Dear Anna,

-

jb

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21, 2003

Arial">11:32 PM

RE: [GJ] Definition of stellium

Dear Sateesh,

One warning:

With Uranus on Asc. You have to be very careful, unless you are an artist- your

boss will most likely think slower than you do, or even much slower, and he/she

will be the first to know that and feel threatened- the more independent you

are in your job, the better for you

THIS IS VERY TRUE! SEVERAL

PREVIOUS BOSSES HAVE TOLD ME TO SLOW DOWN - AND SOME I HAVE EVEN USURPED ON THE

MONEY SIDE (BEING OF LOWER RANK, BUT BEING A CONTRACTOR WHILE THEY WERE

PERMANENT STAFF) - IT HAS ALSO INCITED COLLEAGUES, WHO HAVE COMMENTED THE SPEED

AT PICKING UP (NEW) SYSTEMS QUICKLY MAKES THEM LOOK BAD.

Ha, ha- this is ‘typical’- Although

you are more diplomatic than most Uranians, who, as a rule say- they are soooo

stupid and lazy

I WAS WITH AN AIRLINE FOR 4 YEARS AS

STAFF, THEN TOOK TO CONTRACTING AS I CAN'T STAND CORPORATE POLITICS WHICH

PERMANENT STAFF GET SUBJECTED TO.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Good for you- you would ‘blow up’

anyway.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Alternatively, you may try to be a boss,

yourself /within CORPORATION- I know you don’t like the idea, but it

would be the way around to have security, if you need that, of course..

/In this case Pluto/Moon in 1st, can

actually help- you would be more ‘secretive’ and

‘controlling’ and ‘more dangerous’ ,at the same time,

as an opponent, poor looser, definitively. How to relax and unwind is a real

challenge, though/

RIGHT ON IT HERE! ON ALL

COUNTS - I LOVE WORKING ALONE AS MUCH AS I CAN, AND IF I DO NEED HELP I PREFER

IT REMOTELY (OVERSEAS COLLEAGUES, OR THOSE IN AN OFFICE NOT ON MY SITE ITSELF).

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">You described it better than any book could.

Sure those on remote sites don’t bug you with trivialities

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

If outers are so prominently placed /as in your case/ they DOMINATE the chart.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">__________________

As per Virgo- yes, but it’s usually milder/and different/ than when Pluto

enters the picture- than that becomes deeper obsessive ness. Certain level of

‘obsession’ is necessary for anything to be accomplished, so I

guess you would be typical ‘high achiever’, right? /

AT WORK, YES - ALTHOUGH THE INDEPENDENCE FACTOR HAS

BEEN KNOWN TO WORK BOTH FOR AND AGAINST ME! CAN BE A LITTLE TOO

INDEPENDENT/ISOLATING.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I know- didn’t want to mention that-

too independent- /self/ isolating…

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">If you were my friend who asked for

reading,

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I would certainly address the fact that

you, based on previous two comments- job related, did manage to use what you

have the way you want it. I have no doubt that it took you lots of pains, and

energy before you realized what was best for you /like trying to adjust-as if

adjustment is always possible!!!!, and advisable-and IT’S NOT.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The question is what you have done on the

personal relationship level –

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">And again I would count on Moon/Pluto conjunction-

the need for a deep, meaningful relationship, and your possessiveness in

relationship- you may not be able to make independence urge /Uranus/ be in

peace with possessiveness, but

shouldn’t be a problem, since Uranus is rather ‘benevolent’-although

impulsive, nervous, etc…Just let the ‘significant other’ know

that that you just have ‘short temper’- because MOON-Pluto is the

most important to you, and you may not be able, neither should you try, change

that. That’s too powerful...

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I will study your chart and send you

message to your address- not to bug the List, ok?

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

Best wishes,

A.

To get a feel of Pluto-obsession, you may also want to explore what I call

‘cosmic joke”- look at people experiencing transit of Pluto over

their Venus, falling madly in love obsessively /often even with Plutonian

individuals/ no matter what their age, circumstances.

INTERESTING - I'LL CHECK THAT OUT.

I’ll look at your chart, but can you please send me ‘raw’

data?

THANKS - HERE YOU GO -

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Dear Sateesh

I tease clients with Uranus on the ASc or Sun that their auric field will vary

greatly from day to day.

"One day you'll feel comfortable in a crowd, the next day being alone in an

elevator is too much to stand. The trick is to learn to work with that energy

so it does not fly out at others...unless of course that is what you intend.

c

February 21, 2003

Dear Ron,

I agree completely. Pluto in particular is fascinating, to me.

I also have a feeling, as it's been said in literature, that outers are

more prominent nowadays because humans 'vibrate' on a higher level.

It's good point, on parans- I do have ACG, but wasn't experimenting on

that. Perhaps, I guess, because outers, Pluto in particular, never miss

'to hit', and 'timing' is not the matter of a day, since they are sooo

slow and persistent.

Again as for parans, have you explored that? With other planets, and

with progressions in particular-many opine that parans /progression/ are

less intensive, but longer lasting- I'd like to hear your opinion.

Thanks for your comment.

A.

RonGaunt [rongaunt]

Friday, February 21, 2003 7:48 PM

gjlist

Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

Anna and Sateesh,

In my experience the outer planets are extremely important -

particularly Pluto. One thing to watch is that with the outers,

the orbs are sometimes not what they seem. Due to latitude an

apparent conjunction can be at times over 30* away. If you have

Astrocartography software or some other software such as Solar

Fire that shows parans to angles you can easily see whether the 2

dimensional chart orb is anywhere near correct.

Ron Gaunt

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:51:13 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Sateesh,

>

>Outers are very powerful, depending on the position, of course. Even if

>not pronounced in birth chart /by aspect- most powerful is

conjunction/,

>I have yet to see one who didn’t experience their manifestations when

>Uranus, Pluto conjunct their luminaries.

>People never forget period when that happened. Transit Pluto over Moon,

>Sun, is so intense, like other-world-experience. Never to forget. I’ve

>experienced Pluto tr Moon, and Uranus tr Sun- life is simply not same

>after their ‘visit’

>

>Moon conj. Pluto is a very powerful natal configuration- Intensity,

>emotional power struggle, unusual, would be the key words- however, it

>has to be triggered by transit for that intensity to manifest fully, on

>the outside.

>

>Uranus on Asc. Brings touch of genius- or it’s ‘craziness’ or both. Not

>to be ignored, though. In fact Uranus never goes unnoticed, mental

speed

>is high, intellectual professions or at least interests, strong

>individualism, intolerance for restrictions, sometimes weirdness. But

>never neutral or unimportant. Uranus is ‘louder’ but ‘more innocent’

>than my friend Pluto, that I’m obsessed with /and it does bring

>obsessions, big way...

>

>One important point- Only very close orb should be used. Uran on Asc.

>should be very close to it, to be felt like Uranian Asc, no matter

which

>sigh rises. Pluto even more so. If for example, Uranus, or Pluto is

just

>in the first house, it will be felt, but more within the person that in

>it’s relation with the outside world. Conjunct. with Moon is powerful,

>no matter where it’s placed.

>

>Lots of good books on outers are available now

>

>Anna

>

>Sateesh Batas [makara]

>Friday, February 21, 2003 1:44 PM

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>Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

>

>Dear Cynthia,

>

>Thank you for your comments on the outers - very enlightening.

>

>What would the combos. in my chart (see bottom of post) indicate?

>

>1) Moon and Pluto are closely conjunct, BUT Moon is in Hasta whereas

>Pluto is in UttaraP. Pluto in 1st closely aspects 1st Lord Mercury in

>7th too. Can you give a brief interpreation?

>

>2) Uranus is on the Ascendant, aspecting the Descendent. Any

>pointers as tho the manifestation? Since Uranus is NOT with any Inner

>planets, not sure what this means...

>

>Thanks in advance - I am trying to pick up the Outers as they seem

quite

>valid.

>

>Sateesh.

>

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>Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

>

>An outer planet alone is impersonal. An outer planet with a personal

>planet becomes intensely personal.

>

>Moon with Pluto gives the quality of "going to the underworld" no

matter

>where that Moon falls.

>

>I have found that when an outer planet even comes to the same

>degree...no matter where in the chart...of a personal planet, the

>person's whole session will have the flavor of that outer planet:

>

>Uranus theme is the desire to be free. Any and everything is annoying.

>Your pulse goes up and if often feels as if you have a finger stuck in

>an electrical current. You need to be grounded, but may not know how

>

>Pluto may be to confront mortality or at least to be pulled as if by an

>invisible current toward big life change.

>

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Dear Anna,

Replies below in * * .- jb To:

gjlist Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:31 AMRE:

[GJ] Definition of stelliumI WAS WITH AN AIRLINE FOR 4 YEARS AS STAFF, THEN

TOOK TO CONTRACTING AS I CAN'T STAND CORPORATE POLITICS WHICH PERMANENT STAFF

GET SUBJECTED TO.Good for you- you would ‘blow up’ anyway.Alternatively, you

may try to be a boss, yourself /within CORPORATION- I know you don’t like the

idea, but it would be the way around to have security, if you need that, of

course..

* This is an idea - I have not thought of being a Boss, since it is much more

satisfying being an underling in that one can then rebel against Bosses :-) . *

If outers are so prominently placed /as in your case/ they DOMINATE the chart.

* Interesting - I always until recently took Outers as "secondary" to Inners and

the Nodes - the fact Pluto aspects my 1st Lord (Mercury) may lend weight to the

Outers' prominence in my life. *

The question is what you have done on the personal relationship level – And

again I would count on Moon/Pluto conjunction- the need for a deep, meaningful

relationship, and your possessiveness in relationship- you may not be able to

make independence urge /Uranus/ be in peace with possessiveness, but shouldn’t

be a problem, since Uranus is rather ‘benevolent’-although impulsive, nervous,

etc…Just let the ‘significant other’ know that that you just have ‘short

temper’- because MOON-Pluto is the most important to you, and you may not be

able, neither should you try, change that. That’s too powerful...

* Good one :-) - trouble is I am very possessive, and unfortunately seem to

[attract/be attraced to) the same (possessive) types of women! *

I will study your chart and send you message to your address- not to bug the List, ok?

* Sure - thanks again for some enlightening analysis. *

Sateesh.

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Anna,

I think that Parans are the MOST important of ALL aspects. This

includes close conjunctions, because of course these are Parans

in their own right with the added power of transit to the angles.

Put up a chart and see on your ACG software whether the paran is

within orb of the birth place. If it is, it becomes MOST

important. Even paran planets not within orb of birthplace are

important. This is because at some stage they will come into

conjunction with the angles. Also the need to ensure that if

either planet is a functional malefic these must be fully

explored, to ensure that they do not centre on some future town

of domicile.

Watch transiting parans they are very powerful because of the

dual transit to the angles.

I have taken parans a step further. I look for the time that a

planet contacts the four angles on the day of birth. I then look

for transits to the natal planet at that Mundane point. My

initial research suggests that these are more accurate than

zodiacal transits. Very often when there is an appropriate

planet aspecting a critical point for an event, zodiacal orbs may

be up to 5* from exact. By using what I call Mundane transits

these generally turn out to have an orb of less than 1* - mostly

within 30'.

I have demonstrated a number of these on the Sidereal List.

sidereal-

Ron Gaunt

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:43:36 -0500, you wrote:

>Dear Ron,

>

>I agree completely. Pluto in particular is fascinating, to me.

>I also have a feeling, as it's been said in literature, that outers are

>more prominent nowadays because humans 'vibrate' on a higher level.

>

>It's good point, on parans- I do have ACG, but wasn't experimenting on

>that. Perhaps, I guess, because outers, Pluto in particular, never miss

>'to hit', and 'timing' is not the matter of a day, since they are sooo

>slow and persistent.

>

>Again as for parans, have you explored that? With other planets, and

>with progressions in particular-many opine that parans /progression/ are

>less intensive, but longer lasting- I'd like to hear your opinion.

>

>Thanks for your comment.

>A.

>

>RonGaunt [rongaunt]

>Friday, February 21, 2003 7:48 PM

>gjlist

>Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

>

>Anna and Sateesh,

>

>In my experience the outer planets are extremely important -

>particularly Pluto. One thing to watch is that with the outers,

>the orbs are sometimes not what they seem. Due to latitude an

>apparent conjunction can be at times over 30* away. If you have

>Astrocartography software or some other software such as Solar

>Fire that shows parans to angles you can easily see whether the 2

>dimensional chart orb is anywhere near correct.

>

>Ron Gaunt

>

>On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:51:13 -0500, you wrote:

>

>>Hi Sateesh,

>>

>>Outers are very powerful, depending on the position, of course. Even if

>>not pronounced in birth chart /by aspect- most powerful is

>conjunction/,

>>I have yet to see one who didn’t experience their manifestations when

>>Uranus, Pluto conjunct their luminaries.

>>People never forget period when that happened. Transit Pluto over Moon,

>>Sun, is so intense, like other-world-experience. Never to forget. I’ve

>>experienced Pluto tr Moon, and Uranus tr Sun- life is simply not same

>>after their ‘visit’

>>

>>Moon conj. Pluto is a very powerful natal configuration- Intensity,

>>emotional power struggle, unusual, would be the key words- however, it

>>has to be triggered by transit for that intensity to manifest fully, on

>>the outside.

>>

>>Uranus on Asc. Brings touch of genius- or it’s ‘craziness’ or both. Not

>>to be ignored, though. In fact Uranus never goes unnoticed, mental

>speed

>>is high, intellectual professions or at least interests, strong

>>individualism, intolerance for restrictions, sometimes weirdness. But

>>never neutral or unimportant. Uranus is ‘louder’ but ‘more innocent’

>>than my friend Pluto, that I’m obsessed with /and it does bring

>>obsessions, big way...

>>

>>One important point- Only very close orb should be used. Uran on Asc.

>>should be very close to it, to be felt like Uranian Asc, no matter

>which

>>sigh rises. Pluto even more so. If for example, Uranus, or Pluto is

>just

>>in the first house, it will be felt, but more within the person that in

>>it’s relation with the outside world. Conjunct. with Moon is powerful,

>>no matter where it’s placed.

>>

>>Lots of good books on outers are available now

>>

>>Anna

>>

>>Sateesh Batas [makara]

>>Friday, February 21, 2003 1:44 PM

>>gjlist

>>Re: [GJ] Definition of stellium

>>

>>Dear Cynthia,

>>

>>Thank you for your comments on the outers - very enlightening.

>>

>>What would the combos. in my chart (see bottom of post) indicate?

>>

>>1) Moon and Pluto are closely conjunct, BUT Moon is in Hasta whereas

>>Pluto is in UttaraP. Pluto in 1st closely aspects 1st Lord Mercury in

>>7th too. Can you give a brief interpreation?

>>

>>2) Uranus is on the Ascendant, aspecting the Descendent. Any

>>pointers as tho the manifestation? Since Uranus is NOT with any Inner

>>planets, not sure what this means...

>>

>>Thanks in advance - I am trying to pick up the Outers as they seem

>quite

>>valid.

>>

>>Sateesh.

>>

>>========

>>

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>>

>>An outer planet alone is impersonal. An outer planet with a personal

>>planet becomes intensely personal.

>>

>>Moon with Pluto gives the quality of "going to the underworld" no

>matter

>>where that Moon falls.

>>

>>I have found that when an outer planet even comes to the same

>>degree...no matter where in the chart...of a personal planet, the

>>person's whole session will have the flavor of that outer planet:

>>

>>Uranus theme is the desire to be free. Any and everything is annoying.

>>Your pulse goes up and if often feels as if you have a finger stuck in

>>an electrical current. You need to be grounded, but may not know how

>>

>>Pluto may be to confront mortality or at least to be pulled as if by an

>>invisible current toward big life change.

>>

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February 21, 2003

Dear Cynthia,Argh! I had written a long reply to each point, and OE crashed -

let me reply again (I lost my original) in CAPS.-

cynthianovak gjlist Saturday, February 22, 2003

1:18 AMRe: [GJ] Definition of stelliumHere Hasta will likely dominate.

HAsta is very anatytical and good with the hands: engineering or computer

programming are often seen with Hasta Moon. To combine that with Pluto, the

god of the underworld, you need to take great care NOT to mentally tangle

yourself in knots. Moon with Pluto intensifies everything. Can be extremely

intuitive: a sort of x-ray vision to people or problems. It can also look at

things from so many angles that you are immobilized. "I could do so many

different things it is difficult topick one thing."

THIS IS ALL VERY TRUE! ANALYTICAL FOR SURE - AND THE TENDENCY TO SEE SO MUCH

THAT I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START IS THERE TOO.

Moon with Pluto in Hasta is really good for reorganizing a business or a problem

of any kind from the bottom up.

SINCE LEAVING BRITISH AIRWAYS AS STAFF IN 1998, I HAVE WORKED IN ABOUT 6

DIFFERENT CONTRACTS, INCLUDING 2 BACK AT B.A. - EACH JOB I WAS GIVEN WAS "THIS

IS THE MESS WE ARE IN - CAN YOU FIND A WAY OF FIXING IT?".

Uranus on the 1st give a high vibrational energy to the native. Here, you may

often feel as if people are staring at you when you are walking down the

street: That may indeed be true!

VERY TRUE! ESPECIALLY WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, I GOT SO NERVOUS OF THIS THAT I

COULDN'T EXIT MY HOUSE OR GO ANYWHERE PUBLIC ON MY OWN - HAD TO HAVE TRUSTED

COMPANY. IT FELT/FEELS LIKE EYES ARE BORING INTO ME FROM EVERYONE.

There is an unconventional quality. Uranus loves to be free and this placement

is usually good at creating a different path for yourself. It is difficult to

fit into the mold of your family, you walk to a different beat. You alwyas

knew you were different, but thought that no one noticed. Everyone always knew

it too, but family hoped it would change in time <grins>

YES, IN FACT IT IS THE MOULD OF OTHERS THAT IS THE PROBLEM, WHEN I USED TO THINK

I WAS THE DIFFICULT ONE. YOU ARE RIGHT - I THOUGHT NO ONE NOTICED THE

"UNIQUENESS".

THis is a good placement for creativity and invention. I like to think of

Uranus as a wizard. When it sits in the front of your chart you are the

wizard.

SPOT ON - BTW, YOUR DESCRIPTION SOUNDS IDENTICAL TO THE "MAGICIAN" CARD IN TAROT.

It also lends a quality of distance and sometimes makes it difficult to be openly emotional.

ABSOLUTELY - I AM VERY CLOSED OFF, EXCEPT TO A FEW PEOPLE WHO I MAY FEEL COMFORTABLE AROUND.

All the energy is so unique that you may surprise people with your unique

perspecitve or studies. IT is great for being the first to do anything. It is

hard when you wish you could just be like everyone else.

RIGHT - IT CUTS BOTH WAYS. BEING DIFFERENT AND ORIGINAL IS FUN, BUT CAN GET VERY LONELY.

It does throw its energy into the 7th so relationships are either very free or may be few.

THE LATTER.

You are looking for a quality or sensation that you can pick up rather than an appearance.

YES, I SEEM TO [bE ATTRACTED TO/ OR ATTRACT] CERTAIN TYPES WHO ARE A BIT

"DIFFERENT" IN SOME WAY. BUT DIFFICULT TO SAY OR IDENTIFY HOW I "KNOW" THEY

ARE THE ONES WITH SUCH QUALITIES.

This is also really good for energy healing. In fact, when you combine this

with the Moon Pluto, you might be a draned good intuitive. Any indication for

medical intuition? That was just a thought that flashed through.

HADN'T THOUGHT OF THAT - I WILL BEAR IT IN MIND. ONE THING URANUS (I ASSUME)

HAS DONE (LIKE RIGHT NOW) HAS LEFT ME AT AN IMPASSE OF "WHAT TO DO" IN

LIFE/CAREER - BEING AN ACCOUNTANT OR DOCTOR OR LAWYER, AND SO ON NEVER HAD MUCH

APPEAL FOR ME AS IT WAS "WHAT EVERYONE ELSE DOES" :-) .

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