RE: problems with analyzing houses with intense placement

February 20, 2003

Dear Christopher,

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Christopher Kevill [christopher.kevill (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca]

Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:06 PM

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Re: [GJ] problems with analysing houses with intense placement

Good job, as usual- excellent

guidance for studying, without intimidating mystifications. Ultimately

everything is in God's hands- every life has its own purpose. FIRST rule for

everyone who works with people is NOT to HURT, if he/she cannot help. That

brings bad reputation, "bad karma" to astrologer and astrology, too-

it's a duty IMHO, of everyone to address and condemn this, whenever/by whomever

it’s done.

Marcus

The chart you posted caught my eye because it is only

six days from my own

chart. The

native's chart's 2nd house is basically my 8th house, although

my Mercury is in Cancer and my Moon in in Gemini.

As John says, I think looking at navamsha is a good

thing to do.

I would also look at the planet that is in closest

conjunction to the

various karakas of the second house as well as the

lord. Most generally,

the ruler Sun governs the whole house so you can look

at the influences on

it -- these would be Mars by aspect, Jupiter by aspect

and then all the

other planets in Leo. Since these conjunctions are far from

exact I woudn't

bother with them too much. But the various karakas need to be

examined

specifically in order to say anything concrete about

the person. What do

they talk like?

How wealthy are they likely to be?

Will they have a happy

family life? These are the 3 main concerns of

the 2nd house. Speech is

Mercury and since its closest aspect is from Jupiter,

I would say that the

native is very articulate.

Great- it’s so

systematic, and indeed good path.

I underlined some words in

your text, to ask for more info, hope you don’t mind

All the

other conjunctions and aspects are much

wider in orb and hence not as important. For family, look at Venus. It has

Rahu and Moon closely conjunct, and Mars is a close

square aspect.

Certainly there are two important malefic influences

there but the Moon

helps things from getting too bleak I think. You could say that the native

will have strife and disputes in her family life in

Venus periods and you

are unlikely to be far wrong. What about wealth? I would say having the 2L

Sun in its own sign close to the MEP of the 2nd house

is a good floor for

wealth.

It's also good having two benefics there close to Rahu. Rahu is

good for wealth.

Jupiter's aspect to the 2H is all the better sign Jupiter

is the karaka for wealth. Overally, I would say the native has a

good

chance for enjoying some wealth in their lifetime.

I would also suggest using a technique called

normal">karakalagna.

This means

analyzing the various planets/karakas from where they

sit in the horoscope

and counting the appropriate number of signs. So for example, we know that

the second house represents wealth, speech, and

family/domestic happiness.

But each of these three areas has a different

karaka. So in addition to

assessing the second house -- a tough job in this

chart for sure -- you can

examine the 2nd sign/house from Jupiter to see wealth,

the 2nd sign/house

from Mercury to see speech, and the

font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">2nd sign/house from Venus to see

family

color:black;font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">happiness.

Can you please explain this

in more details? I understand that you use 2nd house from karaka,

ruler- because the stelium is in second house, right. And you follow this further…When

empty house, than lord…etc-

Would you please elaborate on

this?

In this chart, both Venus and Mercury are

in Leo, so you would

look at Virgo.

Since it is empty, you look for aspects to it (Saturn) and

the condition of its ruler (Mercury). Since Mercury is the ruler of the 2nd

house from itself, this is quite favourable, despite

the Saturn aspect.

Venus is fallen in the house 2nd from itself, so this

is not so good and may

cause some problems for family happiness. Jupiter in Sag means you look to

Capricorn for wealth. It is empty and unaspected, so look to

its ruler

Saturn and its condition. Saturn is conjunct its sign dispositor

Jupiter,

so that a favourable indication for wealth.

hope this helps

Chris

It’s helpful, indeed.

Thanks,

Anna

-

"freudenmann"

Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:50 PM

[GJ] problems with analysing houses with

intense placement

> Dear Friends

> I am a passionate astrology student and keep

myselfe happy with exploring

> charts.

> As I have serious problems with analysing houses

with intense placement,

> I would like to seek your help in how to approach

this task.

>

> Female born 24/08/1960 - 04:10:00 - 7E35 47N33

>

> It would help if you could show how to approach

house 2

>

> Many thanks

> Marcus

>

*******************************************************

> **

* *

**

> *

* MOO

MER * *

* *

> * * VEN

*

* *

> * * RAH

SUN *

*

* *

> *

*

* *

> *

* LEO* LAG

* GEM*

MAR *

> *

VIR**

**TAU

*

> *

* *

*

> *

*

> * *

*

> * *

*

* *

> *

*

* 4 * * *

> * *

* *

> *

LIB * ARI

*

> * *

* *

> *

*

* CAP *

* *

> * *

*

* *

> * *

*

> *

*

> *

* *

*

> *

SCO**

**PIS

*

> *

* SAG*

* AQU*

*

> *

*

* *

> * * SAT *

*

KET * *

> * *

*

* *

> *

* JUP

* *

> **

* *

**

>

*******************************************************

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om

Tat Sat

> :

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February 20, 2003

Hi Anna

Ok, about karakalagna, or lagnakaraka, which I think is how you say it. Sorry,

I'm lazy when it comes to the sankrit terminology.

The idea here is that you take the planet you are looking at as the lagna for

that area of life. Just to get away from this chart with all its 2nd house

stuff, say you wanted to see something about siblings. We know that the karaka

for siblings is Mars. We also know that the main house for siblings is the 3rd

house. So we can set up Mars as the lagna for the chart that will tell us

about the native's siblings. In the chart Marcus sent, Mars is in Taurus.

So Taurus becomes the lagnakaraka from which you would judge the chart. So you

assess the condition of the third house from Mars, Cancer. There are no planets

in Cancer (although Uranus is there) and it is unaspected. So you look at the

Moon and it is conjunct Venus in the 4th most closely in Leo. So perhaps a

sibling is involved in the arts somehow, or home decorating, etc. You would

also still look at the influences on Mars itself and its dispositor. And even

if there is a planet in the 3rd from Mars, you would still need to look at the

other influences. As always, it is best to cast your net as wide as possible.

This technique comes in handy when you don't know the TOB so the actual houses

are unknown. Even when you do know the TOB, I still find this approach can

reveal some useful information.

Chris

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jb

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Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:56 PM

RE: [GJ] problems with analyzing houses with intense placement

Dear Christopher,

Christopher Kevill

[christopher.kevill (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca] Thursday, February 20, 2003

10:06 PMgjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] problems with analysing

houses with intense placement

Good job, as usual- excellent guidance for studying, without intimidating

mystifications. Ultimately everything is in God's hands- every life has its own

purpose. FIRST rule for everyone who works with people is NOT to HURT, if he/she

cannot help. That brings bad reputation, "bad karma" to astrologer and

astrology, too- it's a duty IMHO, of everyone to address and condemn this,

whenever/by whomever it’s done.

Marcus

The chart you posted caught my eye because it is only six days from my own

chart. The native's chart's 2nd house is basically my 8th house, although

my Mercury is in Cancer and my Moon in in Gemini.

As John says, I think looking at navamsha is a good thing to do.

I would also look at the planet that is in closest conjunction to the

various karakas of the second house as well as the lord. Most generally,

the ruler Sun governs the whole house so you can look at the influences on

it -- these would be Mars by aspect, Jupiter by aspect and then all the

other planets in Leo. Since these conjunctions are far from exact I woudn't

bother with them too much. But the various karakas need to be examined

specifically in order to say anything concrete about the person. What do

they talk like? How wealthy are they likely to be? Will they have a happy

family life? These are the 3 main concerns of the 2nd house. Speech is

Mercury and since its closest aspect is from Jupiter, I would say that the

native is very articulate.

Great- it’s so systematic, and indeed good path.

I underlined some words in your text, to ask for more info, hope you don’t mind

All the other conjunctions and aspects are much

wider in orb and hence not as important. For family, look at Venus. It has

Rahu and Moon closely conjunct, and Mars is a close square aspect.

Certainly there are two important malefic influences there but the Moon

helps things from getting too bleak I think. You could say that the native

will have strife and disputes in her family life in Venus periods and you

are unlikely to be far wrong. What about wealth? I would say having the 2L

Sun in its own sign close to the MEP of the 2nd house is a good floor for

wealth. It's also good having two benefics there close to Rahu. Rahu is

good for wealth. Jupiter's aspect to the 2H is all the better sign Jupiter

is the karaka for wealth. Overally, I would say the native has a good

chance for enjoying some wealth in their lifetime.

I would also suggest using a technique called karakalagna. This means

analyzing the various planets/karakas from where they sit in the horoscope

and counting the appropriate number of signs. So for example, we know that

the second house represents wealth, speech, and family/domestic happiness.

But each of these three areas has a different karaka. So in addition to

assessing the second house -- a tough job in this chart for sure -- you can

examine the 2nd sign/house from Jupiter to see wealth, the 2nd sign/house

from Mercury to see speech, and the 2nd sign/house from Venus to see family

happiness.

Can you please explain this in more details? I understand that you use 2nd house

from karaka, ruler- because the stelium is in second house, right. And you

follow this further…When empty house, than lord…etc-

Would you please elaborate on this?

In this chart, both Venus and Mercury are in Leo, so you would

look at Virgo. Since it is empty, you look for aspects to it (Saturn) and

the condition of its ruler (Mercury). Since Mercury is the ruler of the 2nd

house from itself, this is quite favourable, despite the Saturn aspect.

Venus is fallen in the house 2nd from itself, so this is not so good and may

cause some problems for family happiness. Jupiter in Sag means you look to

Capricorn for wealth. It is empty and unaspected, so look to its ruler

Saturn and its condition. Saturn is conjunct its sign dispositor Jupiter,

so that a favourable indication for wealth.

hope this helps

Chris

It’s helpful, indeed.

Thanks,

Anna

-

"freudenmann" <freudenmann (AT) xtra (DOT) co.nz>

Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:50 PM

[GJ] problems with analysing houses with intense placement

> Dear Friends

> I am a passionate astrology student and keep myselfe happy with exploring

> charts.

> As I have serious problems with analysing houses with intense placement,

> I would like to seek your help in how to approach this task.

>

> Female born 24/08/1960 - 04:10:00 - 7E35 47N33

>

> It would help if you could show how to approach house 2

>

> Many thanks

> Marcus

>

> *******************************************************

> ** * * **

> * * MOO MER * * * *

> * * VEN * * * *

> * * RAH SUN * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * LEO* LAG * GEM* MAR *

> * VIR** **TAU *

> * * * * * *

> * * * 4 * * *

> * * * * * *

> * LIB * ARI *

> * * * * * *

> * * * CAP * * *

> * * * * * *

> * SCO** **PIS *

> * * SAG* * AQU* *

> * * * * * *

> * * SAT * * KET * *

> * * * * * *

> * * JUP * * * *

> ** * * **

> *******************************************************

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

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February 20, 2003

Dear Christopher,

Thanks.

>From Saturn, for example,

Saturn position is considered karakalagna, as you

say, and profession is judged from the tenth house from that temp.lagna.

But there is one more

thing that you’ve considered: for second house, but wealth issue, you go

to the second from Jupiter

/and aspect’s on

planets in 5th- but that is clear to me/. If you take fourth house, and Mars

signifies property, do you go to fourth

from mars? And so on? /in addition to analyzing planets, aspects, lord, etc/.

And for seventh house issues you go seven from Jupiter karakalagna?

Etc..

If I understand this

well, it’s very elegant!

Thanks.

I wish you – warmer

weather!

Anna

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EN-US"> 1:20 AM

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Re: [GJ] problems with

analyzing houses with intense placement

Hi Anna

Ok, about

karakalagna, or lagnakaraka, which I think is how you say it. Sorry, I'm

lazy when it comes to the sankrit terminology.

The idea

here is that you take the planet you are looking at as the lagna for that area

of life. Just to get away from this chart with all its 2nd house stuff,

say you wanted to see something about siblings. We know that the karaka

for siblings is Mars. We also know that the main house for siblings is the 3rd

house. So we can set up Mars as the lagna for the chart that will tell us

about the native's siblings. In the chart Marcus sent, Mars is in

Taurus. So Taurus becomes the lagnakaraka from which you would

judge the chart. So you assess the condition of the third house from

Mars, Cancer. There are no planets in Cancer (although Uranus is there)

and it is unaspected. So you look at the Moon and it is conjunct Venus in

the 4th most closely in Leo. So perhaps a sibling is involved in the arts

somehow, or home decorating, etc. You would also still look at the

influences on Mars itself and its dispositor. And even if there is a

planet in the 3rd from Mars, you would still need to look at the other

influences. As always, it is best to cast your net as wide as possible.

This

technique comes in handy when you don't know the TOB so the

actual houses are unknown. Even when you do know the TOB, I still

find this approach can reveal some useful information.

Chris

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Dear

Christopher,

Christopher Kevill [christopher.kevill (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca]

Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:06 PM

gjlist

Re: [GJ] problems with analysing houses with intense placement

Good

job, as usual- excellent guidance for studying, without intimidating

mystifications. Ultimately everything is in God's hands- every life has its own

purpose. FIRST rule for everyone who works with people is NOT to HURT, if

he/she cannot help. That brings bad reputation, "bad karma" to

astrologer and astrology, too- it's a duty IMHO, of everyone to address and

condemn this, whenever/by whomever it’s done.

Marcus

The chart you posted caught my eye because

it is only six days from my own

chart.

The native's chart's 2nd house is basically my 8th house, although

my Mercury is in Cancer and my Moon in in

Gemini.

As John says, I think looking at navamsha

is a good thing to do.

I would also look at the planet that is in

closest conjunction to the

various karakas of the second house as well

as the lord. Most generally,

the ruler Sun governs the whole house so

you can look at the influences on

it -- these would be Mars by aspect,

Jupiter by aspect and then all the

other planets in Leo. Since these conjunctions are far from

exact I woudn't

bother with them too much. But the various karakas need to be

examined

specifically in order to say anything

concrete about the person. What do

they talk like? How wealthy are they likely to be? Will they have a happy

family life? These are the 3 main concerns of

the 2nd house. Speech is

Mercury and since its closest aspect is

from Jupiter, I would say that the

native is very articulate.

Great-

it’s so systematic, and indeed good path.

I

underlined some words in your text, to ask for more info, hope you don’t

mind

All the other conjunctions and aspects

are much

wider in orb and hence not as

important. For family, look at Venus. It has

Rahu and Moon closely conjunct, and Mars is

a close square aspect.

Certainly there are two important malefic

influences there but the Moon

helps things from getting too bleak I

think. You could say that the

native

will have strife and disputes in her family

life in Venus periods and you

are unlikely to be far wrong. What about wealth? I would say having the 2L

Sun in its own sign close to the MEP of the

2nd house is a good floor for

wealth. It's also good having two benefics there

close to Rahu. Rahu is

good for wealth. Jupiter's aspect to the 2H is all the

better sign Jupiter

is the karaka for wealth. Overally, I would say the native has a

good

chance for enjoying some wealth in their

lifetime.

I would also suggest using a technique

called

mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">karakalagna. This means

analyzing the various planets/karakas from

where they sit in the horoscope

and counting the appropriate number of

signs. So for example, we know that

the second house represents wealth, speech,

and family/domestic happiness.

But each of these three areas has a

different karaka. So in addition to

assessing the second house -- a tough job

in this chart for sure -- you can

examine the 2nd sign/house from Jupiter to

see wealth, the 2nd sign/house

from Mercury to see speech, and the

font-weight:bold;mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">2nd sign/house from Venus to see

family

normal">happiness.

Can

you please explain this in more details? I understand that you use 2nd

house from karaka, ruler- because the stelium is in second house, right. And

you follow this further…When empty house, than lord…etc-

Would

you please elaborate on this?

In this chart, both Venus and Mercury are

in Leo, so you would

look at Virgo. Since it is empty, you look for aspects

to it (Saturn) and

the condition of its ruler (Mercury). Since Mercury is the ruler of the 2nd

house from itself, this is quite

favourable, despite the Saturn aspect.

Venus is fallen in the house 2nd from

itself, so this is not so good and may

cause some problems for family

happiness. Jupiter in Sag means you

look to

Capricorn for wealth. It is empty and unaspected, so look to

its ruler

Saturn and its condition. Saturn is conjunct its sign dispositor

Jupiter,

so that a favourable indication for wealth.

hope this helps

Chris

It’s

helpful, indeed.

Thanks,

Anna

-

"freudenmann"

Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:50 PM

[GJ] problems with analysing

houses with intense placement

> Dear Friends

> I am a passionate astrology student

and keep myselfe happy with exploring

> charts.

> As I have serious problems with

analysing houses with intense placement,

> I would like to seek your help in how

to approach this task.

>

> Female born 24/08/1960 - 04:10:00 - 7E35 47N33

>

> It would help if you could show how to

approach house 2

>

> Many thanks

> Marcus

>

*******************************************************

> **

* *

**

> *

* MOO

MER * *

* *

> * * VEN

*

* *

> * * RAH

SUN *

*

* *

> *

*

* *

> *

* LEO* LAG * GEM* MAR *

> *

VIR**

**TAU

*

> *

* *

*

> *

*

> * *

*

> * *

*

* *

> * *

* 4 *

* *

> * *

* *

> *

LIB * ARI

*

> * *

* *

> * *

* CAP *

* *

> * *

*

* *

> * *

*

> *

*

* * *

> *

* *

*

> *

SCO**

**PIS

*

> *

* SAG*

* AQU*

*

> *

*

* *

> * * SAT *

*

KET * *

> * *

*

* *

> *

* JUP

* *

> **

* *

**

> *******************************************************

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya;

Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

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Anna

Right. that's basically it. But it's not house driven, but rather issue driven.

So it depends what area of life you are interested in. So if you want to know

about marriage and love life, then you look at the 7th from Venus. (not 7th

from Jupiter -- I don't know what the 7th from Jupiter would signify. Perhaps

in a woman's chart, her husband, but that is only if you take Jupiter as karaka

for husband. Some astrologers take Mars as husband.)

You're right. It is elegant and gets to the heart of astrology. It's a great

way to learn the karakas and how the chart fits together.

Chris

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RE: [GJ] problems with analyzing houses with intense placement

Dear Christopher,

Thanks.

>From Saturn, for example, Saturn position is considered karakalagna, as you say,

and profession is judged from the tenth house from that temp.lagna.

But there is one more thing that you’ve considered: for second house, but wealth

issue, you go to the second from Jupiter

/and aspect’s on planets in 5th- but that is clear to me/. If you take fourth

house, and Mars signifies property, do you go to fourth from mars? And so on?

/in addition to analyzing planets, aspects, lord, etc/. And for seventh house

issues you go seven from Jupiter karakalagna? Etc..

If I understand this well, it’s very elegant!

Thanks.

I wish you – warmer weather!

Anna

Christopher Kevill

[christopher.kevill (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca] Friday, February 21, 2003 1:20

AMgjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] problems with analyzing houses

with intense placement