Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Dear Lists, A rather good article and analysis below, based on Systems Approach. This is a forward from the SAMVA list. Dead interesting news article. Sateesh. ======== - Th. Thorgeirsson SAMVA Sunday, February 16, 2003 11:40 AM US to punish German 'treachery' Dear list members, The tension between the USA and Germany seems to be on the rise. The UK newspaper the Observer is reporting the US has plans to punish German opposition to the war in Iraq. The tension is clearly seen in the USA chart -- with tr Saturn stationary in opposition to its own natal placement and that of Mars. As Saturn is 8th lord, this period is emphasising endings with regard to the general and functional indications of these planets. In the German Political Unification chart, tr Ketu has been in stationary aspect to natal Jupiter, which is in the MEP of the ascendant. Moreover, tr Jupiter is transiting the ascendant, and now re-approaching a conjunction with its own natal placement. 6th house matters of financial stability are clearly in the focus. There have been troubles in the banking system and concerning conflict. Saturn is also aspecting the chart lord natally placed in the 8th house, emphasising endings with regard to Germany´s image. In short, the tension between these two countries are evident, lending credence to the newspaper report. Of course, with the transit affliction the US is also at risk of "cutting its nose to spite its face." Ending military cooperation with Germany, the leading EU country, will ultimately only reduce US global power. Other thoughts on these charts are welcome. With my best wishes, Thor Thorgeirsson US to punish German 'treachery' Peter Beaumont, David Roseand Paul BeaverSunday February 16, 2003The Observer America is to punish Germany for leading international opposition to a war against Iraq. The US will withdraw all its troops and bases from there and end military and industrial co-operation between the two countries - moves that could cost the Germans billions of euros. The plan - discussed by Pentagon officials and military chiefs last week on the orders of Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld - is designed 'to harm' the German economy to make an example of the country for what US hawks see as Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's 'treachery'. The hawks believe that making an example of Germany will force other countries heavily dependent on US trade to think twice about standing up to America in future. This follows weeks of increasingly angry exchanges between Rumsfeld and Germany, in which at one point he taunted Germany and France for being an irrelevant part of 'old Europe'. Now Rumsfeld has decided to go further by unilaterally imposing the Pentagon's sanctions on a country already in the throes of economic problems. 'We are doing this for one reason only: to harm the German economy,' one source told The Observer last week. 'Our troops contribute many millions of dollars. Why should we continue to support a country which has treated Nato and the protection we provided for decades with such incredible contempt?' Another Pentagon source said: 'The aim is to hit German trade and commerce. It is not just about taking out the troops and equipment; it is also about cancelling commercial contracts and defence-related arrangements.' The Pentagon plan - and the language expressed by officials close to Rumsfeld - has horrified State Department officials, who believe that bullying other countries to follow the US line will further exacerbate anti-Americanism and alienate those European countries that might support a United Nations resolution authorising a war. German industry earns billions of euros every year from supporting the US Army Europe which, although reduced from its Cold War heights, still totals 42,000 troops and 785 tanks - almost three times as many as the British Army owns. Many of these soldiers and their fighting equipment, including Apache helicopters, have already been sent to the Gulf. German industry is heavily involved in supporting the US presence. Among the defence companies which stand to lose out are missile-maker Diehl, aerospace and defence giant EADS Deutschland, armaments maker Rheinmetall and vehicle maker Krauss-Maffei Wegmann. There is also a US Air Force contingent of about 15,000 service people with bases at Bitburg, Frankfurt-am-Main and neighbouring Ramstein, where the commander doubles as part of the Nato command. This force includes nearly 60 F-16 fighter-bombers and a squadron of A-10 tank-buster aircraft. Rumsfeld and his staff have made no attempt to hide their fury at Schröder's 'treachery and ineptitude' over Iraq. Last week Schröder leaked to reporters a Franco-German plan for avoiding war by increasing the number of UN weapons inspectors before informing his American counterparts. 'After this, Germany is finished as a serious power,' one of the sources added. 'This is simply not the way to conduct diplomacy at a moment of international crisis.' One diplomatic source said Rumsfeld was 'furious at Germany. He is a bruiser and it looks as though he means to do it'. Under these plans, the US would move its troops in Europe eastwards to countries such as Poland, the Czech Republic and the Baltic states, all of which have strongly supported America's line against Saddam Hussein. It is likely that the overall size of the deployment would be reduced, as the US military changes its priorities for a long-term and disparate engagement with international terrorism. Although Rumsfeld had already been considering a redeployment of US troops around the world after a war in Iraq to save money and respond to new threats, the plans now under consideration go far beyond what had been discussed. It is likely that future years will see a sharp increase in the proportion of special forces troops able to deploy rapidly across the globe. Germany would suffer considerable financial loss if US forces were withdrawn from the country. The bases provide jobs for local people as everything from administrators to cleaners, and are huge customers for dairy products and bread. --- Some files have not been scanned Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release 13/02/2003 German Political Unification Oct 3,1990 Time: 12:00AM Zone: 1:00 DST: 0 Berlin Longitude: 13E25 Latitude: 52N32 Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:44 365.25 Day Year Current Period: Sa/Sa/Ju As 10:41 Cn Pushya Sa Su 15:45 Vi Hasta Mo Mo 25:15 Aq P.Bhadra Ju Ma 18:38 Ta Rohini Mo Me 01:33 Vi U.Phalguni Su Ju 14:51 Cn Pushya Sa Ve 08:05 Vi U.Phalguni Su Sa 25:05 Sg P.Shadya Ve Ra 11:34 Cp Shravana Mo Ke 11:34 Cn Pushya Sa Vimshottari Dashas ================== Ju Oct-03-1990 Sa Jun-15-2000 Me Jun-16-2019 Ke Jun-15-2036 Ve Jun-16-2043 Su Jun-16-2063 Mo Jun-15-2069 Ma Jun-16-2079 Ra Jun-15-2086 Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 5 * * 3 * * *ME 01:33 * * AS 10:41 * * * *VE 08:05 6 * KE 11:34 * 2 MA 18:38* *SU 15:45 * * JU 14:51 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 4 * * * ** * * ** * 7 * 1 * ** * * ** * * * 10 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 8 * RA 11:34 * 12 * * * * * * * * * 9 * * 11 * * * * SA 25:05 * * MO 25:15 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** ******************************************************* Navamsa Chart ******************************************************* ** * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JU * * 6 * * * *SA * * * * * 9 * AS * 5 * * * * KE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 7 * * * ** ME * * ** * 10 * 4 * ** * * ** * * * 1 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 11* RA * 3 MA * * * * * * * * * 12 * * 2 * * * * VE * * SU * * * * * * MO * * * * * * * * ** * * ** ******************************************************* System's Approach Analysis ========================== Sun: Good Placement, weak dispositor, Aspected by functional malefic(s): Ra 16%, Moon: Bad Placement, in oldage 5%, weak dispositor, Bright, Aspected by functional malefic(s): Sa 96%, Mars: Good Placement, Mercury: Good Placement, in infancy 68%, own sign, Jupiter: Good Placement, weak dispositor, Afflicts house 1 MEP 16% Conjunct functional malefic(s): Ke 34%, Venus: Good Placement, Combust, Debilated in Rashi, weak dispositor, Conjunct house 3 MEP 47% Aspected by functional malefic(s): Ra 30%, Saturn: Bad Placement, in oldage 1%, weak dispositor, Rahu: Afflicts houses 7 11 3 MEP 82% Ketu: Afflicts houses 1 5 9 MEP 82% Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ======================== Ju/Me Oct 3,1990 Ju/Ke May 22,1991 Ju/Ve Apr 27,1992 Ju/Su Dec 27,1994 Ju/Mo Oct 15,1995 Ju/Ma Feb 13,1997 Ju/Ra Jan 20,1998 Sa/Sa Jun 15,2000 Sa/Me Jun 19,2003 Sa/Ke Feb 26,2006 Sa/Ve Apr 7,2007 Sa/Su Jun 6,2010 Sa/Mo May 19,2011 Sa/Ma Dec 18,2012 Sa/Ra Jan 26,2014 Sa/Ju Dec 2,2016 Me/Me Jun 16,2019 Me/Ke Nov 11,2021 Me/Ve Nov 8,2022 Me/Su Sep 8,2025 Me/Mo Jul 16,2026 Me/Ma Dec 15,2027 Me/Ra Dec 11,2028 Me/Ju Jul 1,2031 Me/Sa Oct 6,2033 Ke/Ke Jun 15,2036 Ke/Ve Nov 11,2036 Ke/Su Jan 11,2038 Ke/Mo May 19,2038 Ke/Ma Dec 18,2038 Ke/Ra May 16,2039 Ke/Ju Jun 3,2040 Ke/Sa May 10,2041 Ke/Me Jun 18,2042 Ve/Ve Jun 16,2043 Ve/Su Oct 15,2046 Ve/Mo Oct 15,2047 Ve/Ma Jun 15,2049 Ve/Ra Aug 15,2050 Ve/Ju Aug 15,2053 Ve/Sa Apr 15,2056 Ve/Me Jun 16,2059 Ve/Ke Apr 16,2062 Su/Su Jun 16,2063 Su/Mo Oct 3,2063 Su/Ma Apr 3,2064 Su/Ra Aug 9,2064 Su/Ju Jul 3,2065 Su/Sa Apr 22,2066 Su/Me Apr 4,2067 Su/Ke Feb 8,2068 Su/Ve Jun 15,2068 Mo/Mo Jun 15,2069 Mo/Ma Apr 16,2070 Mo/Ra Nov 15,2070 Mo/Ju May 15,2072 Mo/Sa Sep 14,2073 Mo/Me Apr 16,2075 Mo/Ke Sep 14,2076 Mo/Ve Apr 15,2077 Mo/Su Dec 15,2078 Ma/Ma Jun 16,2079 Ma/Ra Nov 12,2079 Ma/Ju Nov 29,2080 Ma/Sa Nov 5,2081 Ma/Me Dec 15,2082 Ma/Ke Dec 12,2083 Ma/Ve May 9,2084 Ma/Su Jul 9,2085 Ma/Mo Nov 14,2085 Ra/Ra Jun 15,2086 Ra/Ju Feb 26,2089 Ra/Sa Jul 22,2091 Ra/Me May 28,2094 Ra/Ke Dec 15,2096 Ra/Ve Jan 2,2098 Ra/Su Jan 3,2101 Ra/Mo Nov 27,2101 Ra/Ma May 29,2103 USA Mar 1,1781 Time: 3:19PM Zone: 5:00 DST: 0 Philadelphia, PA Longitude: 75W10 Latitude: 39N57 Lahiri Ayanamsa: 20:48 365.25 Day Year Current Period: Ve/Su/Sa As 21:18 Cn Aslesha Me Su 20:52 Aq P.Bhadra Ju Mo 02:36 Ta Krittika Su Ma 25:51 Sc Jyeshtha Me Me 00:25 Pi P.Bhadra Ju Ju 06:26 Sc Anuradha Sa Ve 27:08 Cp Dhanishtha Ma Sa 28:29 Sc Jyeshtha Me Ra 15:02 Ar Bharani Ve Ke 15:02 Li Swati Ra Vimshottari Dashas ================== Su Mar-01-1781 Mo Jun-30-1784 Ma Jul-01-1794 Ra Jul-01-1801 Ju Jul-02-1819 Sa Jul-02-1835 Me Jul-02-1854 Ke Jul-02-1871 Ve Jul-02-1878 Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 5 * * 3 * * * * * * * * * 6 * AS 21:18 * 2 MO 02:36* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 4 * * * ** * * ** * KE 15:02 7 * 1 RA 15:02 * ** * * ** * * * 10 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *JU 06:26 * * * * * *MA 25:51 8 * VE 27:08 * 12ME 00:25* *SA 28:29 * * * * * * * 9 * * 11 * * * * * * SU 20:52 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** ******************************************************* Navamsa Chart ******************************************************* ** * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * MA * * * * * * KE1 * * 9 * * * * * * * * * SA 12 * AS * 8 * * * * MO * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 10 * * * ** * * ** * SU 1 * 7 * ** * * ** * * * 4 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ME * * * * 2 * * 6 VE * * * * * * * * * 3 * * JU * * * * * * RA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** ******************************************************* System's Approach Analysis ========================== Sun: Bad Placement, weak dispositor, Conjunct house 8 MEP 91% Aspected by functional benefic(s): Ma 0%, Moon: Good Placement, in infancy 47%, Bright, Aspected by functional malefic(s): Ju 23%, Mars: Good Placement, in oldage 17%, own sign, Conjunct house 5 MEP 9% Conjunct functional malefic(s): Sa 47%, Mercury: Good Placement, Combust, Debilated in Rashi, in infancy 91%, Aspected by functional benefic(s): Ma 0%, Jupiter: Good Placement, Aspected by functional benefic(s): Mo 23%, Venus: Good Placement, Debilated in Navamsa, in oldage 42%, Aspected by functional malefic(s): Sa 73%, Saturn: Good Placement, in oldage 69%, Conjunct functional benefic(s): Ma 47%, Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ======================== Su/Ju Mar 1,1781 Su/Sa May 7,1781 Su/Me Apr 19,1782 Su/Ke Feb 23,1783 Su/Ve Jul 1,1783 Mo/Mo Jun 30,1784 Mo/Ma May 1,1785 Mo/Ra Nov 30,1785 Mo/Ju May 31,1787 Mo/Sa Sep 29,1788 Mo/Me May 1,1790 Mo/Ke Sep 30,1791 Mo/Ve Apr 30,1792 Mo/Su Dec 30,1793 Ma/Ma Jul 1,1794 Ma/Ra Nov 27,1794 Ma/Ju Dec 15,1795 Ma/Sa Nov 20,1796 Ma/Me Dec 30,1797 Ma/Ke Dec 27,1798 Ma/Ve May 25,1799 Ma/Su Jul 25,1800 Ma/Mo Nov 30,1800 Ra/Ra Jul 1,1801 Ra/Ju Mar 14,1804 Ra/Sa Aug 7,1806 Ra/Me Jun 13,1809 Ra/Ke Jan 1,1812 Ra/Ve Jan 18,1813 Ra/Su Jan 19,1816 Ra/Mo Dec 12,1816 Ra/Ma Jun 13,1818 Ju/Ju Jul 2,1819 Ju/Sa Aug 19,1821 Ju/Me Mar 1,1824 Ju/Ke Jun 7,1826 Ju/Ve May 14,1827 Ju/Su Jan 12,1830 Ju/Mo Oct 31,1830 Ju/Ma Mar 1,1832 Ju/Ra Feb 5,1833 Sa/Sa Jul 2,1835 Sa/Me Jul 5,1838 Sa/Ke Mar 14,1841 Sa/Ve Apr 23,1842 Sa/Su Jun 22,1845 Sa/Mo Jun 4,1846 Sa/Ma Jan 4,1848 Sa/Ra Feb 11,1849 Sa/Ju Dec 19,1851 Me/Me Jul 2,1854 Me/Ke Nov 27,1856 Me/Ve Nov 24,1857 Me/Su Sep 24,1860 Me/Mo Aug 1,1861 Me/Ma Dec 31,1862 Me/Ra Dec 28,1863 Me/Ju Jul 17,1866 Me/Sa Oct 22,1868 Ke/Ke Jul 2,1871 Ke/Ve Nov 28,1871 Ke/Su Jan 27,1873 Ke/Mo Jun 4,1873 Ke/Ma Jan 3,1874 Ke/Ra Jun 1,1874 Ke/Ju Jun 20,1875 Ke/Sa May 26,1876 Ke/Me Jul 4,1877 Ve/Ve Jul 2,1878 Ve/Su Oct 31,1881 Ve/Mo Oct 31,1882 Ve/Ma Jul 1,1884 Ve/Ra Aug 31,1885 Ve/Ju Aug 31,1888 Ve/Sa May 2,1891 Ve/Me Jul 2,1894 Ve/Ke May 2,1897 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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