A letter to Sanjay

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The very blatant and not even thinly-veiled disingenuousness with which you

pretend to be a shishya of Pt. Sanjay Rath and then proceed to commit libel

publicly and with no regard for spiritual decorum, netiquette or even the

universal guidelines of human interaction disqualifies you as a servant of

holiness; and, as far as I'm concerned anyway, certainly disqualifies you from

this list. Retreat, cool off a bit, and then please apologize to all of GJ's

members for poisoning the waters of our well with your militant and

fundamentalist spittle. Apart from such remedial action by you, your rant is

not welcome here; by copy of this letter to Das Goravani, I sincerely request

that he formally remove you from our list community until such a time as you

issue a formal apology acceptable to all.

Please also never disrespect the Great Mother in my presence again; such is

unholy and disgusting behavior. And just as you disrespect Ma, you disrespect

my new friend and peerless jyotishi Sanjay, who suckles at the breast of the

Great Mother, who as far as I am concerned is Herself inseparable from the

great unfathomable goddess we call the Jyotir Vidya. The path of Jyotisha is

one of divinely creative inspiration, as Sanjay consistently demonstrates, not

the prisonhouse of immutable commandments which several unhappy religious

exclusivists on this list would like to make of it.

You can hold whatever views you like, but you certainly need to grasp the

principle that there exist elementary rules for human conduct.

Very truly yours,

J.I. Abbot

In a message dated 12/29/2002 3:54:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, annelrutherford (AT) hotmail (DOT) com writes:

: -

: Gauranga Das

: vyasa

: Friday, December 27, 2002 4:29 AM

: A letter to Sanjay

:

:

: Dear Gurudeva Sanjayji,

:

: Pranaams.

:

: I'm writing this email while Lagna is in Cpricorn and it holds 9th lord

: Mercury, as well as 9th having Moon and Guru is exalted but retrograde in

: the 7th house. Eversince Dinanath posted those emails about you and I

: visited the Hyderabad conference I was wondering whether everything was OK

: with my being your Joytish shishya and you being my Jyotish Guru or you

: being a Jyotish Guru at all.

:

: I would like to say that I'm well wishing towards you and all your past

and

: present shishyas, btu I would like to clarify my doubts finally. I wanted

to

: do it in a priuvate letter to you but since you didn't give an email

address

: that you read over there in Puri. I resort to this list of Gurus because I

: hope they are also interested to see clear in these issues.

:

: Ath the time fo Dinanath's attack on you I felt his rage, so I chose not

to

: get involved. I was in no financial transaction with you so far, so I was

: not so much concerned with money matters, I just wanted your reputation to

: be unblemished (which means that I was convinced that you were not

involved

: in any cheating and thus it was not correct to blame you). I alsodid not

: object against Swee offering you donations and I also had the intention to

: collect some funds for you myself. I feel obliged to you for the knolwedge

: that you have given me, and this debt is there. But My first concern is to

: make this relationship very clear and transparent, free from any doubts,

and

: I hope in this spirit I can be very honest with you. Therefore I would

like

: to sak you to address my doubts listed herewith. I can verify these things

: in other ways also, if I would still doubt your answers but I start out

with

: the presumption that all you have said to me so far or will say here is

: truth. We could at least expect this from a Jyotish Guru.

:

: 1. Who is your diksha-guru and which mantras have you received from him?

:

: 2. Who is your Jyotish Guru and what is hsi lineage back to the

Maharishis?

:

: 3. Where is Sri Achyuta Das manetioned in any Vaishnava literature? The

: information on web says that his followers advocate puja of demigods like

: Durga etc. and have no sadhana which is unlikely for any authentic

Vaishnava

: parampara or associate of Sri Caitanya. I have heard you several times

: claiming that you are trying to be a Vaishnava and follower of Sri

Caitanya.

:

: 4. The mantras that you are giving to your shishyas are received from

whom?

: Which guru and which parampara? Padma Purana says that sampradaya vihina

ye

: mantras te nishphala mataa, i.e. no mantras will bear fruit if they are

not

: handled down in a parampara.

:

: 5. As you claim to be a Vaishnava, a Brahmin and a follower fo Sri

Caitanya,

: how do you account for the following habits of yours (some of which I have

: seen personally)?

:

: smoking cigarettes, drinking tea and coffee, eating onions and garlic,

: accepting massage from your female disciples. These were seen by me

: personally. Other witnesses reported that your wife is non vegetarian so

it

: might be very difficult for you to keep a fully vegetarian diet or

: worshipping Deities in that house. I also heard that she wants to divorce

: you. Others have also seen you drunk on several occasions. The ones I have

: seen you can't deny but what about the rest?

:

: I hope you agree that even for a regular Vedic Brahmin these habits are

: unacceptable, nto to speak of a Vaishnafa or a follower of Lord Caitanya.

:

: 6. I haven't seen you doing any regular Sadhana, mantra chanting or puja,

or

: sandhya-vandanam (chanting of the Gayatri mantra at the sandhyas). Have I

: missed something?

:

: 7. What happened to all of your initial Delhi shishyas that I knew

: personally (Ashok, Manpreet, Sarat, Raju, Niraj et al.) I have all their

: contact data, so I can check if all of them feel cheated financially and

: astrologically and hold a grudge against you.

:

: 8. What happened to the loan depostis you took from these people

(especally

: Raju and Vijadeep)? They claim they never got the loans nor their money

: back? The amount claimed from you by different people comes upto 30 lakhs

Rs

: at least.

:

: 9. Why did you not pay the remaining $1500 for Dinanatha's computer that

you

: are usung at the present time? He claims that you have borrowed more money

: from him on several occasions.

:

: 10. Are you aware that an official police complaint is filled aganist you

in

: Delhi by Raju and Vijadeep for chetaing the with money? If you are, then

why

: did you not reveal this fact to all the Jyotish gurus at least if not to

the

: whole of SJC.

:

: 11. You are claiming that Kusha Mata supports your case but do you know

that

: she has documented all these facts coming from your initial Delhi

students?

:

: As I have said I'm benevolent towards you and I give you a chance to

clarify

: all these accusations. The financial ones need very good evidence to be

: cleared. The rest would be possible to clear only if you change your

: lifestyle and this si witnessed by several shishyas including me.

:

: On the other hand, if all of the above proves to be true, I think it is

: improper for you to head a Jyotish organization like SJC or claim to be a

: Jyotish Guru and you should publicly clarify your position before your

: shishyas get into trouble in front of the court because of being involved

in

: your organization.

:

: As a conclusion, I must admit that I have learned a lot from you and have

: met brilliant Jyotisha in SJC especially Narasimha and Sri Goelji so I

: should be thankful for this. Still I can't hold myself from seeking purity

: in philosophical, moral and financial sense in the field of Jyotish.

: Therefore I pray to Lord Jagannatha that this issue became clarified as

soon

: as possible and everyone became aware of the truth. And furhtermore, I

think

: that in this, as in every Vedic science, the purity of conduct, thinking

and

: intention is the topmost truth, all the rest may come only after this. I'm

: writing this letter on behalf of my Guru Maharaja, who wants to assure

that

: I'm in good hands in my study of Jyotish and no one will blame ISKCON for

: its members getting involved with Jyotish Gurus having a bad reputation.

:

: Your shishya,

:

: Gauranga das

[Guest guest]

:

: -

: Gauranga Das

: vyasa

: Friday, December 27, 2002 4:29 AM

: A letter to Sanjay

:

:

: Dear Gurudeva Sanjayji,

:

: Pranaams.

:

: I'm writing this email while Lagna is in Cpricorn and it holds 9th lord

: Mercury, as well as 9th having Moon and Guru is exalted but retrograde in

: the 7th house. Eversince Dinanath posted those emails about you and I

: visited the Hyderabad conference I was wondering whether everything was OK

: with my being your Joytish shishya and you being my Jyotish Guru or you

: being a Jyotish Guru at all.

:

: I would like to say that I'm well wishing towards you and all your past

and

: present shishyas, btu I would like to clarify my doubts finally. I wanted

to

: do it in a priuvate letter to you but since you didn't give an email

address

: that you read over there in Puri. I resort to this list of Gurus because I

: hope they are also interested to see clear in these issues.

:

: Ath the time fo Dinanath's attack on you I felt his rage, so I chose not

to

: get involved. I was in no financial transaction with you so far, so I was

: not so much concerned with money matters, I just wanted your reputation to

: be unblemished (which means that I was convinced that you were not

involved

: in any cheating and thus it was not correct to blame you). I alsodid not

: object against Swee offering you donations and I also had the intention to

: collect some funds for you myself. I feel obliged to you for the knolwedge

: that you have given me, and this debt is there. But My first concern is to

: make this relationship very clear and transparent, free from any doubts,

and

: I hope in this spirit I can be very honest with you. Therefore I would

like

: to sak you to address my doubts listed herewith. I can verify these things

: in other ways also, if I would still doubt your answers but I start out

with

: the presumption that all you have said to me so far or will say here is

: truth. We could at least expect this from a Jyotish Guru.

:

: 1. Who is your diksha-guru and which mantras have you received from him?

:

: 2. Who is your Jyotish Guru and what is hsi lineage back to the

Maharishis?

:

: 3. Where is Sri Achyuta Das manetioned in any Vaishnava literature? The

: information on web says that his followers advocate puja of demigods like

: Durga etc. and have no sadhana which is unlikely for any authentic

Vaishnava

: parampara or associate of Sri Caitanya. I have heard you several times

: claiming that you are trying to be a Vaishnava and follower of Sri

Caitanya.

:

: 4. The mantras that you are giving to your shishyas are received from

whom?

: Which guru and which parampara? Padma Purana says that sampradaya vihina

ye

: mantras te nishphala mataa, i.e. no mantras will bear fruit if they are

not

: handled down in a parampara.

:

: 5. As you claim to be a Vaishnava, a Brahmin and a follower fo Sri

Caitanya,

: how do you account for the following habits of yours (some of which I have

: seen personally)?

:

: smoking cigarettes, drinking tea and coffee, eating onions and garlic,

: accepting massage from your female disciples. These were seen by me

: personally. Other witnesses reported that your wife is non vegetarian so

it

: might be very difficult for you to keep a fully vegetarian diet or

: worshipping Deities in that house. I also heard that she wants to divorce

: you. Others have also seen you drunk on several occasions. The ones I have

: seen you can't deny but what about the rest?

:

: I hope you agree that even for a regular Vedic Brahmin these habits are

: unacceptable, nto to speak of a Vaishnafa or a follower of Lord Caitanya.

:

: 6. I haven't seen you doing any regular Sadhana, mantra chanting or puja,

or

: sandhya-vandanam (chanting of the Gayatri mantra at the sandhyas). Have I

: missed something?

:

: 7. What happened to all of your initial Delhi shishyas that I knew

: personally (Ashok, Manpreet, Sarat, Raju, Niraj et al.) I have all their

: contact data, so I can check if all of them feel cheated financially and

: astrologically and hold a grudge against you.

:

: 8. What happened to the loan depostis you took from these people

(especally

: Raju and Vijadeep)? They claim they never got the loans nor their money

: back? The amount claimed from you by different people comes upto 30 lakhs

Rs

: at least.

:

: 9. Why did you not pay the remaining $1500 for Dinanatha's computer that

you

: are usung at the present time? He claims that you have borrowed more money

: from him on several occasions.

:

: 10. Are you aware that an official police complaint is filled aganist you

in

: Delhi by Raju and Vijadeep for chetaing the with money? If you are, then

why

: did you not reveal this fact to all the Jyotish gurus at least if not to

the

: whole of SJC.

:

: 11. You are claiming that Kusha Mata supports your case but do you know

that

: she has documented all these facts coming from your initial Delhi

students?

:

: As I have said I'm benevolent towards you and I give you a chance to

clarify

: all these accusations. The financial ones need very good evidence to be

: cleared. The rest would be possible to clear only if you change your

: lifestyle and this si witnessed by several shishyas including me.

:

: On the other hand, if all of the above proves to be true, I think it is

: improper for you to head a Jyotish organization like SJC or claim to be a

: Jyotish Guru and you should publicly clarify your position before your

: shishyas get into trouble in front of the court because of being involved

in

: your organization.

:

: As a conclusion, I must admit that I have learned a lot from you and have

: met brilliant Jyotisha in SJC especially Narasimha and Sri Goelji so I

: should be thankful for this. Still I can't hold myself from seeking purity

: in philosophical, moral and financial sense in the field of Jyotish.

: Therefore I pray to Lord Jagannatha that this issue became clarified as

soon

: as possible and everyone became aware of the truth. And furhtermore, I

think

: that in this, as in every Vedic science, the purity of conduct, thinking

and

: intention is the topmost truth, all the rest may come only after this. I'm

: writing this letter on behalf of my Guru Maharaja, who wants to assure

that

: I'm in good hands in my study of Jyotish and no one will blame ISKCON for

: its members getting involved with Jyotish Gurus having a bad reputation.

:

: Your shishya,

:

: Gauranga das

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks,

Carol Hook

Annandale, Virginia USA

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I'm totally dumbfounded.

 

Sanjay isn't forcing anybody. You do have to want to be in his group. He is

free. It's a free world. If you don't like his goods, go elsewhere.

 

His wife, life, personal matters, are personal to him, not my business.

Please don't tell them to me.

 

I read:

 

Dogma. Witch hunt. Anger. Revenge. Vindication. Sanctimony. Judgement.

 

I hope this just goes away.

 

Can everybody please just ignore that post. Let's not respond to it.

[Guest guest]

Dear Anne

I scanned this post, but did not read it carefully...it is just to personal

and too poisonous. Do you know what it is like to receive such a letter?

The sender has the need to vent the anger, and the receiver or receivers in

this this case are the recipients. It is indeed toxic. While I assume that

you are in great pain, I would suggest that you read this letter yourself.

Read it while looking into your eyes in a mirror. I know that it is a sort

of self torture to have your thoughts so filled with anger and

righteousness. I also know that only when you can see the frailties of

yourself in your words will you find peace.

 

I would have written to you privately but I did not have your personal

address.

Jupiter dancing with Pluto in the heavens triggers righteousness and it is

easy to fall to the fears and torment of our thoughts at this time.

c

-

"Anne Rutherford" <annelrutherford

<gjlist>

Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:50 AM

[GJ] A letter to Sanjay

 

 

>

> :

> : -

> : Gauranga Das

> : vyasa

> : Friday, December 27, 2002 4:29 AM

> : A letter to Sanjay

> :

> :

> : Dear Gurudeva Sanjayji,

> :

> : Pranaams.

> :

> : I'm writing this email while Lagna is in Cpricorn and it holds 9th lord

> : Mercury, as well as 9th having Moon and Guru is exalted but retrograde

in

> : the 7th house. Eversince Dinanath posted those emails about you and I

> : visited the Hyderabad conference I was wondering whether everything was

OK

> : with my being your Joytish shishya and you being my Jyotish Guru or you

> : being a Jyotish Guru at all.

> :

> : I would like to say that I'm well wishing towards you and all your past

> and

> : present shishyas, btu I would like to clarify my doubts finally. I

wanted

> to

> : do it in a priuvate letter to you but since you didn't give an email

> address

> : that you read over there in Puri. I resort to this list of Gurus because

I

> : hope they are also interested to see clear in these issues.

> :

> : Ath the time fo Dinanath's attack on you I felt his rage, so I chose not

> to

> : get involved. I was in no financial transaction with you so far, so I

was

> : not so much concerned with money matters, I just wanted your reputation

to

> : be unblemished (which means that I was convinced that you were not

> involved

> : in any cheating and thus it was not correct to blame you). I alsodid not

> : object against Swee offering you donations and I also had the intention

to

> : collect some funds for you myself. I feel obliged to you for the

knolwedge

> : that you have given me, and this debt is there. But My first concern is

to

> : make this relationship very clear and transparent, free from any doubts,

> and

> : I hope in this spirit I can be very honest with you. Therefore I would

> like

> : to sak you to address my doubts listed herewith. I can verify these

things

> : in other ways also, if I would still doubt your answers but I start out

> with

> : the presumption that all you have said to me so far or will say here is

> : truth. We could at least expect this from a Jyotish Guru.

> :

> : 1. Who is your diksha-guru and which mantras have you received from him?

> :

> : 2. Who is your Jyotish Guru and what is hsi lineage back to the

> Maharishis?

> :

> : 3. Where is Sri Achyuta Das manetioned in any Vaishnava literature? The

> : information on web says that his followers advocate puja of demigods

like

> : Durga etc. and have no sadhana which is unlikely for any authentic

> Vaishnava

> : parampara or associate of Sri Caitanya. I have heard you several times

> : claiming that you are trying to be a Vaishnava and follower of Sri

> Caitanya.

> :

> : 4. The mantras that you are giving to your shishyas are received from

> whom?

> : Which guru and which parampara? Padma Purana says that sampradaya vihina

> ye

> : mantras te nishphala mataa, i.e. no mantras will bear fruit if they are

> not

> : handled down in a parampara.

> :

> : 5. As you claim to be a Vaishnava, a Brahmin and a follower fo Sri

> Caitanya,

> : how do you account for the following habits of yours (some of which I

have

> : seen personally)?

> :

> : smoking cigarettes, drinking tea and coffee, eating onions and garlic,

> : accepting massage from your female disciples. These were seen by me

> : personally. Other witnesses reported that your wife is non vegetarian so

> it

> : might be very difficult for you to keep a fully vegetarian diet or

> : worshipping Deities in that house. I also heard that she wants to

divorce

> : you. Others have also seen you drunk on several occasions. The ones I

have

> : seen you can't deny but what about the rest?

> :

> : I hope you agree that even for a regular Vedic Brahmin these habits are

> : unacceptable, nto to speak of a Vaishnafa or a follower of Lord

Caitanya.

> :

> : 6. I haven't seen you doing any regular Sadhana, mantra chanting or

puja,

> or

> : sandhya-vandanam (chanting of the Gayatri mantra at the sandhyas). Have

I

> : missed something?

> :

> : 7. What happened to all of your initial Delhi shishyas that I knew

> : personally (Ashok, Manpreet, Sarat, Raju, Niraj et al.) I have all their

> : contact data, so I can check if all of them feel cheated financially and

> : astrologically and hold a grudge against you.

> :

> : 8. What happened to the loan depostis you took from these people

> (especally

> : Raju and Vijadeep)? They claim they never got the loans nor their money

> : back? The amount claimed from you by different people comes upto 30

lakhs

> Rs

> : at least.

> :

> : 9. Why did you not pay the remaining $1500 for Dinanatha's computer that

> you

> : are usung at the present time? He claims that you have borrowed more

money

> : from him on several occasions.

> :

> : 10. Are you aware that an official police complaint is filled aganist

you

> in

> : Delhi by Raju and Vijadeep for chetaing the with money? If you are, then

> why

> : did you not reveal this fact to all the Jyotish gurus at least if not to

> the

> : whole of SJC.

> :

> : 11. You are claiming that Kusha Mata supports your case but do you know

> that

> : she has documented all these facts coming from your initial Delhi

> students?

> :

> : As I have said I'm benevolent towards you and I give you a chance to

> clarify

> : all these accusations. The financial ones need very good evidence to be

> : cleared. The rest would be possible to clear only if you change your

> : lifestyle and this si witnessed by several shishyas including me.

> :

> : On the other hand, if all of the above proves to be true, I think it is

> : improper for you to head a Jyotish organization like SJC or claim to be

a

> : Jyotish Guru and you should publicly clarify your position before your

> : shishyas get into trouble in front of the court because of being

involved

> in

> : your organization.

> :

> : As a conclusion, I must admit that I have learned a lot from you and

have

> : met brilliant Jyotisha in SJC especially Narasimha and Sri Goelji so I

> : should be thankful for this. Still I can't hold myself from seeking

purity

> : in philosophical, moral and financial sense in the field of Jyotish.

> : Therefore I pray to Lord Jagannatha that this issue became clarified as

> soon

> : as possible and everyone became aware of the truth. And furhtermore, I

> think

> : that in this, as in every Vedic science, the purity of conduct, thinking

> and

> : intention is the topmost truth, all the rest may come only after this.

I'm

> : writing this letter on behalf of my Guru Maharaja, who wants to assure

> that

> : I'm in good hands in my study of Jyotish and no one will blame ISKCON

for

> : its members getting involved with Jyotish Gurus having a bad reputation.

> :

> : Your shishya,

> :

> : Gauranga das

>

>

>

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