Guest guest Posted December 26, 2002 Report Share Posted December 26, 2002 Dear Ron, Sure - please see below - Navamsa Lagna is Virgo too. What are "parans"? Thanks - Sateesh. Sateesh BatasApr 15,1973Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1Hounslow, EnglandLongitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:29 365.25 Day YearCurrent Period: Ra/Ve/Sa As 27:54 Vi Chitra MaSu 02:09 Ar Aswini KeMo 11:07 Vi Hasta MoMa 20:38 Cp Shravana MoMe 05:08 Pi U.Bhadra SaJu 15:35 Cp Shravana MoVe 03:42 Ar Aswini KeSa 23:24 Ta Mrigsira MaRa 17:27 Sg P.Shadya VeKe 17:27 Ge Ardra Ra ======== - "RonGaunt" <rongaunt (AT) optushome (DOT) com.au> <gjlist> Thursday, December 26, 2002 12:32 AM Re: [GJ] OBE : : Sateesh,: : Would you mind posting your birth data. I would like to check: out the parans on your chart. ======== On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:21:12 -0000, you wrote:: : >Dear Mofie and Ron,: >: >Interesting - I have had these involuntarily since about 20 up to say 24 (now almost none) - I have Moon in 1st in Virgo, disposited by Debilitated Mercury opposite it, and Mercury's dispositor Jupiter also aspects Moon closely.: >: >As another factor, 12th Lord of Bed comforts (Sun) is placed in Infancy in another dushthana (the 8th).: >: >Moon and Mercury being mind planets to my mind would likely cause such separative phenomena of the mind/spirit/soul from the physical body. : >: >The OBE-L group at and Astralvoyage are excellent forums. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2002 Report Share Posted December 26, 2002 Sateesh, Parans are simultaneous transits of two planets to angles, (including conjunction on one angle) i.e. Asc, MC, Desc and IC. These need not be on the angles at birth but are most important if they are. As the world turns in approx 24 hours these planets will be brought to the angles within a few hours after birth hence are important to the birth chart. In my opinion they are the most important of ALL aspects. I have recently been experimenting with what I call 'ascentional transits'. These are transits of natal planets and angles: ie one side of the paran of the natal planets and the other side of the paran of the transits. These appear to me to be more accurate than just ordinary transits. If you would like to see an example of this look at my example of Shirley Temple Black's first marriage to John Agar. This is headed LC1-E3 on 20th Dec 02 on the Sidereal List. sidereal- As I suspected in your case you have a Moon Neptune paran in your chart which is representative of OBE; especially considering the other Moon qualities. Below are copies sent to other Lists on this subject which may be of interest. Ron Gaunt ** COPY 1 ** Sorry I can't offer any rules. My foray into mundane aspects occurred infrequently over a number of years when I was puzzled about an event which was not shown by zodiacal aspects. Frequently I found the answer in the mundane. However, in those days it was time consuming work and I never researched in depth. Recently with the advent of software which does the work for me, I have followed mundane aspects more closely. They appear to me if anything to be better than zodiacal; but this is only a tentative conclusion and needs a lot more research. One thing that impresses me is the influence of planets in natal parans which are on or close to the natal birthplace or residence. i.e. as a SATVA practitioner I have been taught that the 8th Lord of an MT sign is MMP (Most Malefic Planet). But I have noticed time and again that where a malefic participates in an exact or close contact with the birthplace or place of residence, this is the planet that does the damage irrespective of whether it is Lord of the 8th. I am coming to the conclusion that looking at transits from purely the zodiacal point of view is only part of the story. Apart from mundane transits, there are also ascensional and mid-point transits which may offer greater insights. ** COPY 2 ** Ascentional transits are transits of the angles for a particular location i.e. Asc, MC, Des, and I.C. Every day as the world turns each planet is brought to all of these points. I have been experimenting with comparing the natal ascentionals with event transit ascentionals. There have been some provocative results to the point where some accidents have been shown exact to within a minute or so of a relevant ascentional transit. However, it doesn't happen every time and I don't know why. It could be that ascentional transits only work in the natal location, and you need to do a relocation chart of residence to see whether it works there. I suspect the big step forward in astrology will be made when the two systems of 'earth around the Sun' and 'earth turn around the zodiac' are brought together. It is possibly just wheels within wheels, with the system acting like a clock, earth around the sun being the hour hand, and earth turn being the minute hand. On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:53:49 -0000, you wrote: >Dear Ron, > >Sure - please see below - Navamsa Lagna is Virgo too. > >What are "parans"? > >Thanks - Sateesh. > >Sateesh Batas >Apr 15,1973 >Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 >Hounslow, England >Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 >Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:29 365.25 Day Year >Current Period: Ra/Ve/Sa > >As 27:54 Vi Chitra Ma >Su 02:09 Ar Aswini Ke >Mo 11:07 Vi Hasta Mo >Ma 20:38 Cp Shravana Mo >Me 05:08 Pi U.Bhadra Sa >Ju 15:35 Cp Shravana Mo >Ve 03:42 Ar Aswini Ke >Sa 23:24 Ta Mrigsira Ma >Ra 17:27 Sg P.Shadya Ve >Ke 17:27 Ge Ardra Ra > >======== > >- >"RonGaunt" <rongaunt ><gjlist> >Thursday, December 26, 2002 12:32 AM >Re: [GJ] OBE > > >: >: Sateesh, >: >: Would you mind posting your birth data. I would like to check >: out the parans on your chart. > >======== > > On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:21:12 -0000, you wrote: >: >: >Dear Mofie and Ron, >: > >: >Interesting - I have had these involuntarily since about 20 up to say 24 (now almost none) - I have Moon in 1st in Virgo, disposited by Debilitated Mercury opposite it, and Mercury's dispositor Jupiter also aspects Moon closely. >: > >: >As another factor, 12th Lord of Bed comforts (Sun) is placed in Infancy in another dushthana (the 8th). >: > >: >Moon and Mercury being mind planets to my mind would likely cause such separative phenomena of the mind/spirit/soul from the physical body. >: > >: >The OBE-L group at and Astralvoyage are excellent forums. > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release 25/12/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2002 Report Share Posted December 26, 2002 Dear Ron, Intriguing - this is the first I have heard of Ascensional/Kendra transits like this. What other Moon qualities were you referring to (below)? Unless you simply meant Moon and Neptune are both watery. Funny you should mention the Big "N", as it is about to form an exact conjunction with my Natal Jupiter... Thanks - Sateesh. ======== - "RonGaunt" <rongaunt (AT) optushome (DOT) com.au> <gjlist> Thursday, December 26, 2002 11:14 PM Re: Ron - Re: [GJ] OBE : Parans are simultaneous transits of two planets to angles,: (including conjunction on one angle) i.e. Asc, MC, Desc and IC.: As I suspected in your case you have a Moon Neptune paran in your: chart which is representative of OBE; especially considering the: other Moon qualities. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2002 Report Share Posted December 26, 2002 Sateesh, Please see comments ** ........ ** Ron Gaunt On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:19:55 -0000, you wrote: >Dear Ron, > >Intriguing - this is the first I have heard of Ascensional/Kendra transits like this. > >What other Moon qualities were you referring to (below)? Unless you simply meant Moon and Neptune are both watery. ** Simply the aspects to Moon you mentioned in your initial mail ** > >Funny you should mention the Big "N", as it is about to form an exact conjunction with my Natal Jupiter... ** Actually much more than this. In the Last Solar Eclipse (SE) the eclipse point is close conjunct natal Neptune being only 1* 13' by ascensional transit; and Ketu is exact conjunct Neptune. Also ascensional transit Rahu opposes natal Neptune orb 1*07', and asc. transit Neptune exactly squares natal Neptune orb 15'. Looks like you have some interesting weeks ahead of you. ** > >Thanks - Sateesh. > >======== > > >- >"RonGaunt" <rongaunt ><gjlist> >Thursday, December 26, 2002 11:14 PM >Re: Ron - Re: [GJ] OBE > > >: Parans are simultaneous transits of two planets to angles, >: (including conjunction on one angle) i.e. Asc, MC, Desc and IC. >: As I suspected in your case you have a Moon Neptune paran in your >: chart which is representative of OBE; especially considering the >: other Moon qualities. > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release 25/12/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2002 Report Share Posted December 27, 2002 Dear Ron, - "RonGaunt" <rongaunt (AT) optushome (DOT) com.au> <gjlist> Friday, December 27, 2002 2:10 AM Re: Ron - Re: [GJ] OBE : >What other Moon qualities were you referring to (below)? Unless you simply meant Moon and Neptune are both watery.: : ** Simply the aspects to Moon you mentioned in your initial mail ** AHA - GOT IT NOW. : >Funny you should mention the Big "N", as it is about to form an exact conjunction with my Natal Jupiter...: : ** Actually much more than this. In the Last Solar Eclipse (SE): the eclipse point is close conjunct natal Neptune being only 1*: 13' by ascensional transit; and Ketu is exact conjunct Neptune.: Also ascensional transit Rahu opposes natal Neptune orb 1*07',: and asc. transit Neptune exactly squares natal Neptune orb 15'.: Looks like you have some interesting weeks ahead of you. ** IS IT POSSIBLE TO DEFINE A DATE/DATES FOR EACH OF THESE? OR ARE THEY LITERALLY RUNNING FOR SEVERAL WEEKS (FROM NOW)? AND WHAT WOULD BE THEIR EFFECT? WHAT TYPICALLY (OR SPECIFICALY) DO THE NODES' IMPACT ON NEPTUNE DO? TR PLUTO IS OPPOSING NATAL SATURN TO, ALTHOUGH NOT SURE IF THAT HAS ANY RELEVANCE IN LIGHT OF THE ABOVE STATEMENTS YOU MADE. Thanks - Sateesh. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2002 Report Share Posted December 27, 2002 Sateesh, Please see comments ** ....... ** Ron Gaunt On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:03:37 -0000, you wrote: >Dear Ron, > > >- >"RonGaunt" <rongaunt ><gjlist> >Friday, December 27, 2002 2:10 AM >Re: Ron - Re: [GJ] OBE > > >: >What other Moon qualities were you referring to (below)? Unless you simply meant Moon and Neptune are both watery. >: >: ** Simply the aspects to Moon you mentioned in your initial mail ** > > >AHA - GOT IT NOW. > > > >: >Funny you should mention the Big "N", as it is about to form an exact conjunction with my Natal Jupiter... >: >: ** Actually much more than this. In the Last Solar Eclipse (SE) >: the eclipse point is close conjunct natal Neptune being only 1* >: 13' by ascensional transit; and Ketu is exact conjunct Neptune. >: Also ascensional transit Rahu opposes natal Neptune orb 1*07', >: and asc. transit Neptune exactly squares natal Neptune orb 15'. >: Looks like you have some interesting weeks ahead of you. ** > > >IS IT POSSIBLE TO DEFINE A DATE/DATES FOR EACH OF THESE? OR ARE THEY LITERALLY RUNNING FOR SEVERAL WEEKS (FROM NOW)? ** These are contacts between the Solar Eclipse and your natal chart. I believe that the SE is the crucible or incubator of events, and the events will unfold prior to the next SE. I use a number of different timing methods but in the SE I watch relevant SE planets (ie those with important contacts to the natal chart) as they move on to their next contacts with the natal chart. In this case I would watch transit Venus (because it was close conjunct SE Mars and opposition natal Venus) and transit Jupiter because it was stationary and exactly on the turn at the time of the SE and opposite natal Mars). I do not know your personal circumstances or even where you now reside, so it is difficult to predict what the contacts mean, but I suspect that they are something to do with a personal relationship. Dates that might be of interest are tomorrow 29th Dec 02 Mars and Venus on the MEP of the 2nd house with Mars aspecting natal Saturn. Also Neptune exactly conjuncts natal Jupiter and Ketu is very close conjunct natal Neptune. I suggest you be very careful if you are traveling particularly with a female companion. On 14th January 03 Venus in transit conjuncts Ketu and both conjunct natal Neptune. At the same time transit Moon contacts transit Rahu opposition natal Neptune. Possibly the most interesting period is when transit Jupiter sweeps retrograde opposition your natal Mars and Jupiter. Jupiter again goes direct on 4th April 03 and from then to mid May there are some very important aspects. Note particularly that period 8th to 16th May 03 when transit Mars comes conjunct transit Neptune and natal Mars and Jupiter and is opposed by transit Jupiter. At the same time transit Venus is on the MEP of the 7th house. ** > >AND WHAT WOULD BE THEIR EFFECT? WHAT TYPICALLY (OR SPECIFICALY) DO THE NODES' IMPACT ON NEPTUNE DO? ** This depends on the quality of both Neptune and the Nodes. I would normally check previous transits to assess. Typically these contacts address the issue of community sense or team spirit. Even when both planets are benefic there can be misunderstanding because too much is expected from the other parties. However this contact can result in interesting spiritual experiences. ** > >TR PLUTO IS OPPOSING NATAL SATURN TO, ALTHOUGH NOT SURE IF THAT HAS ANY RELEVANCE IN LIGHT OF THE ABOVE STATEMENTS YOU MADE. ** Pluto is separative in relationships. Here it is also suggestive of forces trying to move you from an entrenched position or set line of thought. ** > >Thanks - Sateesh. > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release 25/12/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2002 Report Share Posted December 27, 2002 Dear Ron, - "RonGaunt" <rongaunt (AT) optushome (DOT) com.au> <gjlist> Saturday, December 28, 2002 2:46 AM Re: Ron - Re: [GJ] OBE : In this case I would watch transit Venus (because it was close: conjunct SE Mars and opposition natal Venus) and transit : Jupiter because it was stationary and exactly on the turn at : the time of the SE and opposite natal Mars). VERY INTERESTING - I BACK-TRACKED, AND CHECKED THESE - GOOD OBSERVATION. I WILL HAVE TO REREAD MORE OF YOUR S.E. USE ON POSTS TO GRASP THE METHOD/OUTCOME OF WHAT THESE MEAN. FROM WHAT YOU SAY, THE "CONTACT" (E.G SE MARS AND STATION JUPITER) CAN MANIFEST WEEKS LATER, I.E. THROUGH TRANSIT VENUS (I PERHAPS HAVEN'T UNDERSTOOD/SAID THAT CLEARLY, BUT I THINK I NOW SEE THE S.E. IMPLICATIONS AS BEARING FRUIT AFTER THE S.E.). : I do not know your personal circumstances or even where you : now reside, so it is difficult to predict what the contacts : mean, but I suspect that they are something to do with a personal relationship. NOTHING ON THE HORIZON RE. P-R - AM KEEPING AN EYE OPEN THOUGH. I LIVE IN HOUNSLOW (ENGLAND) COORDS. 0W22, 51N29, GMT. : Dates that might be of interest are tomorrow 29th Dec 02 Mars : and Venus on the MEP of the 2nd house with Mars aspecting natal Saturn. YES, I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS RATHER INTERESTING DATE - AS ON THE 29TH/30TH YOU PROBABLY KNOW, TRANIST MOON WILL ALSO CONJUNCT THE MARS-VENUS CONJUNCTION. TR MARS ASPECT TO NT SATURN AS 8TH LORD TO 6TH SEEMS TO SPELL SOMETHING, ALTHOUGH I THINK THE ASPECT WILL BE SEPARATING BY THEN (RATHER THAN APPLYING). : Also Neptune exactly conjuncts natal Jupiter and Ketu is very close conjunct natal Neptune. THE TR NEPTUNE TO NT JUPITER CONJUNCTION - IN ADDITION TO THE MASSING OF MARS-VENUS-MOON ON THE 2ND MEP (ASPECTING 8TH MEP) I HAD NOTICED. EXCELLENT CALL ON TR KETU-RAHU AXIS STRADDLING NT NEPTUNE (AND CLOSING TO EXACT, IF I AM CORRECT), WHICH I HAD SOMEHOW MISSED. : I suggest you be very careful if you are traveling particularly with a female companion. WHAT IS THE FEMALE INVOLVEMENT HERE, AND HOW DOES TRAVEL COME INTO IT? TR NEPTUNE TO NT JUPITER? OR MARS-VENUS ASPECTING MEP 8? OR TR KETU TO NT NEPTUNE IN 3RD, ASPECTING 9TH? THERE IS A PERTINENT TRIGGER HERE - AS YOU SAY, STATION-KETU HAS BEEN CONJUNCT NT NEPTUNE A WHILE NOW - AND I GUESS THIS NEPTUNE WILL BE "FURTHER ACCENTUATED" WHEN IT TRANSITS OVER NT JUPITER. KIND OF LIKE NEPTUNE GETTING IMPACTED TWICE - ONCE NATALLY, AND ONCE IN TRANSIT. : On 14th January 03 Venus in transit conjuncts Ketu and both: conjunct natal Neptune. At the same time transit Moon : contacts transit Rahu opposition natal Neptune. YES, 14TH IS A BUSY DAY - THANKS AGAIN FOR POINTING OUT THE TR KETU TO NT NEPTUNE FACTOR. : Possibly the most interesting period is when transit Jupiter : sweeps retrograde opposition your natal Mars and Jupiter. ROMANTIC POSSIBILITIES HAD BEEN PRESENTED WHEN - TR JUPITER WAS RX AT 19* CANCER OPPOSING NT JUPITER-MARS [25TH DECEMBER 1990], TR JUPITER AT 13* VIRGO TRINING NT MARS-JUPITER [11TH JULY 1993], AND WHEN TR JUPITER WAS AT 19* CAPRICORN, CONJOINED NT JUPITER-MARS [4TH NOVEMBER 1997]. HENCE, I AGREE THAT THE FIRST OF THESE TRANSIT SITUATIONS [WHICH IS GOING TO BE REPEATED AROUND FEBRUARY 2003] COULD "RE-BRING" EVENTS IF 1990. : Jupiter again goes direct on 4th April 03 and from then to : mid May there are some very important aspects. Note : particularly that period 8th to 16th May 03 when transit Mars: comes conjunct transit Neptune and natal Mars and Jupiter and: is opposed by transit Jupiter. At the same time transit : Venus is on the MEP of the 7th house. ** THIS IS INDEED A POWERFUL PERIOD - TRANSIT-WISE - SUN / VENUS / MARS / JUPITER / RAHU / KETU WILL BE EXALTED - THE FIRST OF THESE DAYS THAT YOU CITE (8TH), TR MOON WILL BE IN MT CANCER, CONJUNCT TR JUPITER WHILE OPPOSING TR MARS-NEPTUNE AND NT JUPITER-MARS. : >TR PLUTO IS OPPOSING NATAL SATURN TO, ALTHOUGH NOT SURE IF THAT HAS ANY RELEVANCE IN LIGHT OF THE ABOVE STATEMENTS YOU MADE.: : ** Pluto is separative in relationships. Here it is also : suggestive of forces trying to move you from an entrenched : position or set line of thought. ** CERTAINLY TRUE RIGHT NOW - I SEE TR PLUTO IS SOON TO ORB > 1* OUT OF NT SATURN'S OPPOSITION. THAT COULD BE ANOTHER DEMARCATION OF SORTS (ASSUMING YOU CONSIDER 1* ORBS AS WELL AS 5* ORBS). Many thanks - Sateesh. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 26/12/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 Sateesh, Please see reply below ** ........ ** Ron Gaunt On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:08:37 -0000, you wrote: >Dear Ron, > > >- >"RonGaunt" <rongaunt ><gjlist> >Saturday, December 28, 2002 2:46 AM >Re: Ron - Re: [GJ] OBE > > >: In this case I would watch transit Venus (because it was close >: conjunct SE Mars and opposition natal Venus) and transit >: Jupiter because it was stationary and exactly on the turn at >: the time of the SE and opposite natal Mars). > > >VERY INTERESTING - I BACK-TRACKED, AND CHECKED THESE - GOOD OBSERVATION. I WILL HAVE TO REREAD MORE OF YOUR S.E. USE ON POSTS TO GRASP THE METHOD/OUTCOME OF WHAT THESE MEAN. FROM WHAT YOU SAY, THE "CONTACT" (E.G SE MARS AND STATION JUPITER) CAN MANIFEST WEEKS LATER, I.E. THROUGH TRANSIT VENUS > >(I PERHAPS HAVEN'T UNDERSTOOD/SAID THAT CLEARLY, BUT I THINK I NOW SEE THE S.E. IMPLICATIONS AS BEARING FRUIT AFTER THE S.E.). ** Yes. Scientific tests prove conclusively that a Solar Eclipse has profound effects on earth. What appears to happen is that the Solar energy gets temporarily cut off. In astrological practice I see this as a chart being restarted with a boost to the SE planets at the time of moving out of the eclipse. When these planets aspect natal planets these are emphasized for the period to the next SE. Its similar to a person whose heart has stopped being resuscitated with a fibrillator. ** > > >: I do not know your personal circumstances or even where you >: now reside, so it is difficult to predict what the contacts >: mean, but I suspect that they are something to do with a personal relationship. > > >NOTHING ON THE HORIZON RE. P-R - AM KEEPING AN EYE OPEN THOUGH. I LIVE IN HOUNSLOW (ENGLAND) COORDS. 0W22, 51N29, GMT. > > > >: Dates that might be of interest are tomorrow 29th Dec 02 Mars >: and Venus on the MEP of the 2nd house with Mars aspecting natal Saturn. > > >YES, I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS RATHER INTERESTING DATE - AS ON THE 29TH/30TH YOU PROBABLY KNOW, TRANIST MOON WILL ALSO CONJUNCT THE MARS-VENUS CONJUNCTION. TR MARS ASPECT TO NT SATURN AS 8TH LORD TO 6TH SEEMS TO SPELL SOMETHING, ALTHOUGH I THINK THE ASPECT WILL BE SEPARATING BY THEN (RATHER THAN APPLYING). > > > >: Also Neptune exactly conjuncts natal Jupiter and Ketu is very close conjunct natal Neptune. > > >THE TR NEPTUNE TO NT JUPITER CONJUNCTION - IN ADDITION TO THE MASSING OF MARS-VENUS-MOON ON THE 2ND MEP (ASPECTING 8TH MEP) I HAD NOTICED. EXCELLENT CALL ON TR KETU-RAHU AXIS STRADDLING NT NEPTUNE (AND CLOSING TO EXACT, IF I AM CORRECT), WHICH I HAD SOMEHOW MISSED. > > >: I suggest you be very careful if you are traveling particularly with a female companion. > > >WHAT IS THE FEMALE INVOLVEMENT HERE, AND HOW DOES TRAVEL COME INTO IT? TR NEPTUNE TO NT JUPITER? OR MARS-VENUS ASPECTING MEP 8? OR TR KETU TO NT NEPTUNE IN 3RD, ASPECTING 9TH? ** Female relationship comes through Moon and Venus conjunct Mars on MEP of the 2nd house. Travel because Natal Neptune and transit Ketu are in the third house of travel. Also transit Mars aspects natal Saturn in another house of travel - the 9th ** > >THERE IS A PERTINENT TRIGGER HERE - AS YOU SAY, STATION-KETU HAS BEEN CONJUNCT NT NEPTUNE A WHILE NOW - AND I GUESS THIS NEPTUNE WILL BE "FURTHER ACCENTUATED" WHEN IT TRANSITS OVER NT JUPITER. KIND OF LIKE NEPTUNE GETTING IMPACTED TWICE - ONCE NATALLY, AND ONCE IN TRANSIT. > > >: On 14th January 03 Venus in transit conjuncts Ketu and both >: conjunct natal Neptune. At the same time transit Moon >: contacts transit Rahu opposition natal Neptune. > > >YES, 14TH IS A BUSY DAY - THANKS AGAIN FOR POINTING OUT THE TR KETU TO NT NEPTUNE FACTOR. > > >: Possibly the most interesting period is when transit Jupiter >: sweeps retrograde opposition your natal Mars and Jupiter. > > >ROMANTIC POSSIBILITIES HAD BEEN PRESENTED WHEN - TR JUPITER WAS RX AT 19* CANCER OPPOSING NT JUPITER-MARS [25TH DECEMBER 1990], TR JUPITER AT 13* VIRGO TRINING NT MARS-JUPITER [11TH JULY 1993], AND WHEN TR JUPITER WAS AT 19* CAPRICORN, CONJOINED NT JUPITER-MARS [4TH NOVEMBER 1997]. > >HENCE, I AGREE THAT THE FIRST OF THESE TRANSIT SITUATIONS [WHICH IS GOING TO BE REPEATED AROUND FEBRUARY 2003] COULD "RE-BRING" EVENTS IF 1990. > > >: Jupiter again goes direct on 4th April 03 and from then to >: mid May there are some very important aspects. Note >: particularly that period 8th to 16th May 03 when transit Mars >: comes conjunct transit Neptune and natal Mars and Jupiter and >: is opposed by transit Jupiter. At the same time transit >: Venus is on the MEP of the 7th house. ** > > >THIS IS INDEED A POWERFUL PERIOD - TRANSIT-WISE - SUN / VENUS / MARS / JUPITER / RAHU / KETU WILL BE EXALTED - THE FIRST OF THESE DAYS THAT YOU CITE (8TH), TR MOON WILL BE IN MT CANCER, CONJUNCT TR JUPITER WHILE OPPOSING TR MARS-NEPTUNE AND NT JUPITER-MARS. ** I agree there are distinct romantic possibilities. Also note that your Mars and Jupiter show excellent creative activity. This therefore may also be a good time to reconsider for career. As Mars is malefic you may be too forceful in your relationships both professional and personal (because Mars disposes Venus). If this hits a cord, it may pay to undertake some training to give yourself some additional insights. I would suggest looking to some enneagram studies. A good way to start is to take the self test and self discovery guide in "The essential enneagram" by David Daniels MD and Virginia Price PH.D. When you have found your type try to get along to one of the panels where each personality type is examined. This can be very enlightening. ** > > > >: >TR PLUTO IS OPPOSING NATAL SATURN TO, ALTHOUGH NOT SURE IF THAT HAS ANY RELEVANCE IN LIGHT OF THE ABOVE STATEMENTS YOU MADE. >: >: ** Pluto is separative in relationships. Here it is also >: suggestive of forces trying to move you from an entrenched >: position or set line of thought. ** > > >CERTAINLY TRUE RIGHT NOW - I SEE TR PLUTO IS SOON TO ORB > 1* OUT OF NT SATURN'S OPPOSITION. THAT COULD BE ANOTHER DEMARCATION OF SORTS (ASSUMING YOU CONSIDER 1* ORBS AS WELL AS 5* ORBS). ** Yes the closer the orb the more the effect. ** > >Many thanks - Sateesh. > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release 26/12/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 Dear Ron, - "RonGaunt" <rongaunt (AT) optushome (DOT) com.au> <gjlist> Sunday, December 29, 2002 12:13 AM Re: Ron - Re: [GJ] OBE : ** Yes. Scientific tests prove conclusively that a Solar Eclipse has profound effects on earth. ASSUMING THE LAST ONE WAS AROUND 4TH DECEMBER, WHEN IS THE NEXT ONE? AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, YOU CITE THAT THE "REBIRTH" OF A CHART DURING A S.E. BEARS FRUIT *BEFORE* THE FOLLOWING S.E. : >WHAT IS THE FEMALE INVOLVEMENT HERE, AND HOW DOES TRAVEL COME INTO IT? TR NEPTUNE TO NT JUPITER? OR MARS-VENUS ASPECTING MEP 8? OR TR KETU TO NT NEPTUNE IN 3RD, ASPECTING 9TH?: : ** Female relationship comes through Moon and Venus conjunct Mars: on MEP of the 2nd house. Travel because Natal Neptune and : transit Ketu are in the third house of travel. Also transit : Mars aspects natal Saturn in another house of travel - : the 9th ** I SEE - THE FAST-MOVING MOON CAN ALSO BE AN IMPOERTANT TRIGGER - IN THIS CASE, NOT ONLY BECUASE IT IS CONJUNCTING THE (SEPARATING FROM EACH OTHER) TR MARS-VENUS, BUT ITS IMPACT ON THE 2ND MEP IN MY CASE. : >THIS IS INDEED A POWERFUL PERIOD - TRANSIT-WISE - SUN / VENUS / MARS / JUPITER / RAHU / KETU WILL BE EXALTED - THE FIRST OF THESE DAYS THAT YOU CITE (8TH), TR MOON WILL BE IN MT CANCER, CONJUNCT TR JUPITER WHILE OPPOSING TR MARS-NEPTUNE AND NT JUPITER-MARS.: : ** I agree there are distinct romantic possibilities. Also note that your Mars and Jupiter show excellent creative activity. : This therefore may also be a good time to reconsider for career. As Mars is malefic you may be too forceful in your : relationships both professional and personal (because Mars disposes Venus). ** GOOD POINT ABOUT DISPOSITOR AFFECTING THE *WAY* THE DISPOSITED PLANET IS HANDLED. : If this hits a cord, it may pay to undertake some training to give yourself some additional insights. I would suggest looking to some enneagram studies. A good way to start is to take the self test and self discovery guide in "The essential enneagram" by David Daniels MD and Virginia Price PH.D. When you have found your type try to get along to one of the panels where each personality type is examined. This can be very enlightening. ** I HAVE READ UP ON THE ENNEAGRAM BY DON RICHARD RISO IN 1993, AND AS MY BROTHER SUGGESTED I AM INDEED A 6 WITH A 7 WING (ALTHOUGH THE 7 WING IS SO LOW, I AM OFTEN PERCEIVED AS 6 WITH A 5 WING - MISINDENTIFICATIONS AS A 5 OR 1 TYPE ALSO COME ACROSS, DUE TO EXCESSIVE CRITICAL/DETAILED THINKING PATTERNS). CURIOUSILY, BOTH PREVIOUS "RELATIONSHIPS" WERE WITH A 3-2 FEMALE, AND THEN A 7-8 FEMALE (BOTH MOTHER-ORIGINATING TYPES) - BOTH TYPES DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITE TO THE 6 PERSONALITY AS CAN BE! THESE TYPES OF WOMEN CAN PERHAPS ALSO BE SEEN (AS YOU MENTIONED ABOVE) IN THE SCHEME OF MARS - WHICH IS CONJUNCT 7TH LORD, WHILST DISPOSITING VENUS. Sateesh. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 26/12/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 Sateesh, Please see *** .........*** Ron Gaunt On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:42:36 -0000, you wrote: >Dear Ron, > > >- >"RonGaunt" <rongaunt ><gjlist> >Sunday, December 29, 2002 12:13 AM >Re: Ron - Re: [GJ] OBE > > >: ** Yes. Scientific tests prove conclusively that a Solar Eclipse has profound effects on earth. > > >ASSUMING THE LAST ONE WAS AROUND 4TH DECEMBER, WHEN IS THE NEXT ONE? AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, YOU CITE THAT THE "REBIRTH" OF A CHART DURING A S.E. BEARS FRUIT *BEFORE* THE FOLLOWING S.E. *** Next S.E. is 31st May 2003 *** > > >: >WHAT IS THE FEMALE INVOLVEMENT HERE, AND HOW DOES TRAVEL COME INTO IT? TR NEPTUNE TO NT JUPITER? OR MARS-VENUS ASPECTING MEP 8? OR TR KETU TO NT NEPTUNE IN 3RD, ASPECTING 9TH? >: >: ** Female relationship comes through Moon and Venus conjunct Mars >: on MEP of the 2nd house. Travel because Natal Neptune and >: transit Ketu are in the third house of travel. Also transit >: Mars aspects natal Saturn in another house of travel - >: the 9th ** > > >I SEE - THE FAST-MOVING MOON CAN ALSO BE AN IMPOERTANT TRIGGER - IN THIS CASE, NOT ONLY BECUASE IT IS CONJUNCTING THE (SEPARATING FROM EACH OTHER) TR MARS-VENUS, BUT ITS IMPACT ON THE 2ND MEP IN MY CASE. *** I mentioned the Moon more for the feminine connection than as a trigger *** > > > >: >THIS IS INDEED A POWERFUL PERIOD - TRANSIT-WISE - SUN / VENUS / MARS / JUPITER / RAHU / KETU WILL BE EXALTED - THE FIRST OF THESE DAYS THAT YOU CITE (8TH), TR MOON WILL BE IN MT CANCER, CONJUNCT TR JUPITER WHILE OPPOSING TR MARS-NEPTUNE AND NT JUPITER-MARS. >: >: ** I agree there are distinct romantic possibilities. Also note that your Mars and Jupiter show excellent creative activity. >: This therefore may also be a good time to reconsider for career. As Mars is malefic you may be too forceful in your >: relationships both professional and personal (because Mars disposes Venus). ** > > >GOOD POINT ABOUT DISPOSITOR AFFECTING THE *WAY* THE DISPOSITED PLANET IS HANDLED. > > >: If this hits a cord, it may pay to undertake some training to give yourself some additional insights. I would suggest looking to some enneagram studies. A good way to start is to take the self test and self discovery guide in "The essential enneagram" by David Daniels MD and Virginia Price PH.D. When you have found your type try to get along to one of the panels where each personality type is examined. This can be very enlightening. ** > > >I HAVE READ UP ON THE ENNEAGRAM BY DON RICHARD RISO IN 1993, AND AS MY BROTHER SUGGESTED I AM INDEED A 6 WITH A 7 WING (ALTHOUGH THE 7 WING IS SO LOW, I AM OFTEN PERCEIVED AS 6 WITH A 5 WING - MISINDENTIFICATIONS AS A 5 OR 1 TYPE ALSO COME ACROSS, DUE TO EXCESSIVE CRITICAL/DETAILED THINKING PATTERNS). > >CURIOUSILY, BOTH PREVIOUS "RELATIONSHIPS" WERE WITH A 3-2 FEMALE, AND THEN A 7-8 FEMALE (BOTH MOTHER-ORIGINATING TYPES) - BOTH TYPES DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITE TO THE 6 PERSONALITY AS CAN BE! THESE TYPES OF WOMEN CAN PERHAPS ALSO BE SEEN (AS YOU MENTIONED ABOVE) IN THE SCHEME OF MARS - WHICH IS CONJUNCT 7TH LORD, WHILST DISPOSITING VENUS. *** Glad to see you know the subject - possibly more than I. It is peripheral to my other interests as it is really my wife's passion, and I have gone along for the ride. As a self contained 5 I really don't feel the need for change, at this late stage in my life. *** > >Sateesh. > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release 26/12/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 Dear Ron, Great - my Rahu-Venus-Mercury PD kicks in just before then, on the 24th May 2003 (Mercury occupying 7th). Also occurs just after that mass line-up of Exalted TR Planets. Sweet. Sateesh. ======== - "RonGaunt" <rongaunt (AT) optushome (DOT) com.au> <gjlist> Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:19 AM Re: Ron - Re: [GJ] OBE : >ASSUMING THE LAST ONE WAS AROUND 4TH DECEMBER, WHEN IS THE NEXT ONE? AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, YOU CITE THAT THE "REBIRTH" OF A CHART DURING A S.E. BEARS FRUIT *BEFORE* THE FOLLOWING S.E.: : *** Next S.E. is 31st May 2003 *** ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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