Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 Dear Maddelena and Cynthia One curious astronomical fact about this is that the moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun whilst being some 400 times closer and therefore fits exactly over the Sun at the time of the eclipse . The mechanists would see this as blind chance . My vote is to see it as a special moment in the Lord's creation with the wonder of a child and the wisdom of a sage . It is meant to be a very good time for spiritual activity . N - Maddalena Cecchinato gjlist Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:29 AM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 Dear Cynthia, my mail wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. Just thought the statement in the article about astronomers not knowing about the "planets" Rahu and Ketu was much too weird ;-) In any event, like you I would expect Ketu to have the strongest effect during this eclipse, so I am curious about the outcome. regards Maddalena - cynthia novak gjlist Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:48 PM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 Dear Maddalena My understanding is the same as yours. I was just wondering why Rahu would terrorise the Sun when the eclipse is a KEtu eclipse. I learned that a Rahu eclipse gives and a Ketu eclipse takes away. It would seem that Ketu would be stronger since the Sun and Moon are with Ketu. I am also open to there being a symbolic description for Rahu terrorizing the Sun and Moon from his position on the other side of the heavens. During a eclipse, from the perspective of the Earth, the tiny Moon can block the light of the Sun. They become equals for a short time. I love the mythic stories and can't get enough. cynthia - Maddalena Cecchinato gjlist Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:48 AM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 My knwolegde of astronomy is very limited, but I think the following is correct: the earth orbits the Sun following a certain path. The geocentric point of view of this is to say that the Sun is orbiting (through the constellations) on its path, which is called the ecliptic. The zodiac is a belt extending above and below the ecliptic. The Moon has its own orbiting path in this belt. This path coincides with the ecliptic (the Sun's path) in 2 points: these points are called the Nodes of the Moon. So all this means that unless the Moon is in one of the intersecting points, a zodiacal conjunction or opposition to the Sun won't produce an eclipse, because they're not on the same line with the Earth. So to say that Rahu or Ketu are always present at an eclipse is redundant: there can be no eclipse if the Moon doesn't join one of the Nodes. I'll be grateful if the astronomically-minded can confirm this regards Maddalena -------Rahu's attack may seem astounding to those who have assumed a solar eclipse to be merely the Moon blocking the Sun and a lunar eclipse to be Earth's shadow falling on the Moon. The Vedic texts, which include some the oldest astronomical treatises, do not contradict with the above understanding. However they also reveal a lesser-known behind-the-scene dimension to the phenomenon - that of Rahu or Ketu creeping up on the Sun or the Moon.It can be shown by astronomical calculations that Rahu or his accomplice Ketu will be in close proximity longitudinally to the Sun or the Moon at every eclipse. Modern astronomers have no idea of of the existence of these two planets, described in Vedic Astrology texts as "invisible", but they do recognise mathematical points which correspond to their positions - the ascending and descending nodes of the Moon. About two or three times a year, the Sun and Moon each travel near the danger zone of Rahu or Ketu. The universal terrorists, true to their demoniac nature, seize the opportunity to attack.Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 Dear Nicholas, thanks for this! It is really amazing that the Sun and the Moon appear to us as having the same size. I'm interested in the spiritual side of the eclipse. Is this more so because it is a Ketu and not Rahu eclipse? Maddalena - Nicholas gjlist Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:01 AM [GJ] Eclipse alert Dear Maddelena and Cynthia One curious astronomical fact about this is that the moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun whilst being some 400 times closer and therefore fits exactly over the Sun at the time of the eclipse . The mechanists would see this as blind chance . My vote is to see it as a special moment in the Lord's creation with the wonder of a child and the wisdom of a sage . It is meant to be a very good time for spiritual activity . N - Maddalena Cecchinato gjlist Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:29 AM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 Dear Cynthia, my mail wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. Just thought the statement in the article about astronomers not knowing about the "planets" Rahu and Ketu was much too weird ;-) In any event, like you I would expect Ketu to have the strongest effect during this eclipse, so I am curious about the outcome. regards Maddalena - cynthia novak gjlist Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:48 PM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 Dear Maddalena My understanding is the same as yours. I was just wondering why Rahu would terrorise the Sun when the eclipse is a KEtu eclipse. I learned that a Rahu eclipse gives and a Ketu eclipse takes away. It would seem that Ketu would be stronger since the Sun and Moon are with Ketu. I am also open to there being a symbolic description for Rahu terrorizing the Sun and Moon from his position on the other side of the heavens. During a eclipse, from the perspective of the Earth, the tiny Moon can block the light of the Sun. They become equals for a short time. I love the mythic stories and can't get enough. cynthia - Maddalena Cecchinato gjlist Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:48 AM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 My knwolegde of astronomy is very limited, but I think the following is correct: the earth orbits the Sun following a certain path. The geocentric point of view of this is to say that the Sun is orbiting (through the constellations) on its path, which is called the ecliptic. The zodiac is a belt extending above and below the ecliptic. The Moon has its own orbiting path in this belt. This path coincides with the ecliptic (the Sun's path) in 2 points: these points are called the Nodes of the Moon. So all this means that unless the Moon is in one of the intersecting points, a zodiacal conjunction or opposition to the Sun won't produce an eclipse, because they're not on the same line with the Earth. So to say that Rahu or Ketu are always present at an eclipse is redundant: there can be no eclipse if the Moon doesn't join one of the Nodes. I'll be grateful if the astronomically-minded can confirm this regards Maddalena -------Rahu's attack may seem astounding to those who have assumed a solar eclipse to be merely the Moon blocking the Sun and a lunar eclipse to be Earth's shadow falling on the Moon. The Vedic texts, which include some the oldest astronomical treatises, do not contradict with the above understanding. However they also reveal a lesser-known behind-the-scene dimension to the phenomenon - that of Rahu or Ketu creeping up on the Sun or the Moon.It can be shown by astronomical calculations that Rahu or his accomplice Ketu will be in close proximity longitudinally to the Sun or the Moon at every eclipse. Modern astronomers have no idea of of the existence of these two planets, described in Vedic Astrology texts as "invisible", but they do recognise mathematical points which correspond to their positions - the ascending and descending nodes of the Moon. About two or three times a year, the Sun and Moon each travel near the danger zone of Rahu or Ketu. The universal terrorists, true to their demoniac nature, seize the opportunity to attack.Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 Dear Nicholas I agree that it is more than chance. I also find it very good for spiritual work. I even suspect that is why the mundane world seems to be turned upside down at this time. Better to surrender to inner work than struggle with outer demands....if you life allows. Will you be able to see the eclipse where you live? I wise astrologer Buz Myers used to say: For every king who lost his crown during an eclipse, another ascended to the throne." Change is heralded by the eclipse. c - Nicholas gjlist Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:01 PM [GJ] Eclipse alert Dear Maddelena and Cynthia One curious astronomical fact about this is that the moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun whilst being some 400 times closer and therefore fits exactly over the Sun at the time of the eclipse . The mechanists would see this as blind chance . My vote is to see it as a special moment in the Lord's creation with the wonder of a child and the wisdom of a sage . It is meant to be a very good time for spiritual activity . N - Maddalena Cecchinato gjlist Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:29 AM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 Dear Cynthia, my mail wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. Just thought the statement in the article about astronomers not knowing about the "planets" Rahu and Ketu was much too weird ;-) In any event, like you I would expect Ketu to have the strongest effect during this eclipse, so I am curious about the outcome. regards Maddalena - cynthia novak gjlist Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:48 PM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 Dear Maddalena My understanding is the same as yours. I was just wondering why Rahu would terrorise the Sun when the eclipse is a KEtu eclipse. I learned that a Rahu eclipse gives and a Ketu eclipse takes away. It would seem that Ketu would be stronger since the Sun and Moon are with Ketu. I am also open to there being a symbolic description for Rahu terrorizing the Sun and Moon from his position on the other side of the heavens. During a eclipse, from the perspective of the Earth, the tiny Moon can block the light of the Sun. They become equals for a short time. I love the mythic stories and can't get enough. cynthia - Maddalena Cecchinato gjlist Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:48 AM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 My knwolegde of astronomy is very limited, but I think the following is correct: the earth orbits the Sun following a certain path. The geocentric point of view of this is to say that the Sun is orbiting (through the constellations) on its path, which is called the ecliptic. The zodiac is a belt extending above and below the ecliptic. The Moon has its own orbiting path in this belt. This path coincides with the ecliptic (the Sun's path) in 2 points: these points are called the Nodes of the Moon. So all this means that unless the Moon is in one of the intersecting points, a zodiacal conjunction or opposition to the Sun won't produce an eclipse, because they're not on the same line with the Earth. So to say that Rahu or Ketu are always present at an eclipse is redundant: there can be no eclipse if the Moon doesn't join one of the Nodes. I'll be grateful if the astronomically-minded can confirm this regards Maddalena -------Rahu's attack may seem astounding to those who have assumed a solar eclipse to be merely the Moon blocking the Sun and a lunar eclipse to be Earth's shadow falling on the Moon. The Vedic texts, which include some the oldest astronomical treatises, do not contradict with the above understanding. However they also reveal a lesser-known behind-the-scene dimension to the phenomenon - that of Rahu or Ketu creeping up on the Sun or the Moon.It can be shown by astronomical calculations that Rahu or his accomplice Ketu will be in close proximity longitudinally to the Sun or the Moon at every eclipse. Modern astronomers have no idea of of the existence of these two planets, described in Vedic Astrology texts as "invisible", but they do recognise mathematical points which correspond to their positions - the ascending and descending nodes of the Moon. About two or three times a year, the Sun and Moon each travel near the danger zone of Rahu or Ketu. The universal terrorists, true to their demoniac nature, seize the opportunity to attack.Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 Nicholas, This is an intriguing point that has fueled more than a few conspiracy theorists: the fact that the Moon exactly fits into the Sun is proof that the Moon is an artificial satellite, put in place by an alien civilization. Check it out, there is tons of this stuff on the web. And not all, without some circumstantial evidence. Why have we never seen the dark side of the Moon? It's an artifact of the orbit but it's strange, no? Chris ---------- Nicholas <jyotish108 gjlist [GJ] Eclipse alert Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:01 PM Dear Maddelena and Cynthia One curious astronomical fact about this is that the moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun whilst being some 400 times closer and therefore fits exactly over the Sun at the time of the eclipse . The mechanists would see this as blind chance . My vote is to see it as a special moment in the Lord's creation with the wonder of a child and the wisdom of a sage . It is meant to be a very good time for spiritual activity . N - Maddalena Cecchinato gjlist Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:29 AM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 Dear Cynthia, my mail wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. Just thought the statement in the article about astronomers not knowing about the "planets" Rahu and Ketu was much too weird ;-) In any event, like you I would expect Ketu to have the strongest effect during this eclipse, so I am curious about the outcome. regards Maddalena - cynthia novak gjlist Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:48 PM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 Dear Maddalena My understanding is the same as yours. I was just wondering why Rahu would terrorise the Sun when the eclipse is a KEtu eclipse. I learned that a Rahu eclipse gives and a Ketu eclipse takes away. It would seem that Ketu would be stronger since the Sun and Moon are with Ketu. I am also open to there being a symbolic description for Rahu terrorizing the Sun and Moon from his position on the other side of the heavens. During a eclipse, from the perspective of the Earth, the tiny Moon can block the light of the Sun. They become equals for a short time. I love the mythic stories and can't get enough. cynthia - Maddalena Cecchinato gjlist Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:48 AM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 My knwolegde of astronomy is very limited, but I think the following is correct: the earth orbits the Sun following a certain path. The geocentric point of view of this is to say that the Sun is orbiting (through the constellations) on its path, which is called the ecliptic. The zodiac is a belt extending above and below the ecliptic. The Moon has its own orbiting path in this belt. This path coincides with the ecliptic (the Sun's path) in 2 points: these points are called the Nodes of the Moon. So all this means that unless the Moon is in one of the intersecting points, a zodiacal conjunction or opposition to the Sun won't produce an eclipse, because they're not on the same line with the Earth. So to say that Rahu or Ketu are always present at an eclipse is redundant: there can be no eclipse if the Moon doesn't join one of the Nodes. I'll be grateful if the astronomically-minded can confirm this regards Maddalena ------- Rahu's attack may seem astounding to those who have assumed a solar eclipse to be merely the Moon blocking the Sun and a lunar eclipse to be Earth's shadow falling on the Moon. The Vedic texts, which include some the oldest astronomical treatises, do not contradict with the above understanding. However they also reveal a lesser-known behind-the-scene dimension to the phenomenon - that of Rahu or Ketu creeping up on the Sun or the Moon. It can be shown by astronomical calculations that Rahu or his accomplice Ketu will be in close proximity longitudinally to the Sun or the Moon at every eclipse. Modern astronomers have no idea of of the existence of these two planets, described in Vedic Astrology texts as "invisible", but they do recognise mathematical points which correspond to their positions - the ascending and descending nodes of the Moon. About two or three times a year, the Sun and Moon each travel near the danger zone of Rahu or Ketu. The universal terrorists, true to their demoniac nature, seize the opportunity to attack. Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 In his book "Astrology of the Seers" David Frawley(Vamadeva Shastri) writes; The Sun and Moon are in essence one planet. The Moon is the feminine side of the Sun that has been emanated to the proximity of the Earth to nourish and promote life. The Moon is the incarnation of the divine Mother who dwells in the Sun. It is no mere astronomical coincidence that the Moon and Sun have the same relative size from the Earth. It is part of the working of the cosmic law. Eclipses of the Sun and the Moon can only occur because of this. They are not accidental, but are points of energy transformation necessary for the development of life on Earth. The Sun is approximately 108 solar diameters from the Earth, while the Earth is 1/108 the size of the Sun. Meanwhile the Moon is about 108 Earth diameters from the Earth. No wonder 108 is such an important number in Vedic thought! Hari Om Haridas ---------- "Maddalena Cecchinato" <mcecc88 (AT) libero (DOT) it> <gjlist> Re: [GJ] Eclipse alert Tue, Dec 3, 2002, 6:32 PM Dear Nicholas, thanks for this! It is really amazing that the Sun and the Moon appear to us as having the same size. I'm interested in the spiritual side of the eclipse. Is this more so because it is a Ketu and not Rahu eclipse? Maddalena - Nicholas <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> gjlist <gjlist> Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:01 AM [GJ] Eclipse alert Dear Maddelena and Cynthia One curious astronomical fact about this is that the moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun whilst being some 400 times closer and therefore fits exactly over the Sun at the time of the eclipse . The mechanists would see this as blind chance . My vote is to see it as a special moment in the Lord's creation with the wonder of a child and the wisdom of a sage . It is meant to be a very good time for spiritual activity . N - Maddalena Cecchinato <mcecc88 (AT) libero (DOT) it> gjlist <gjlist> Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:29 AM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 Dear Cynthia, my mail wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. Just thought the statement in the article about astronomers not knowing about the "planets" Rahu and Ketu was much too weird ;-) In any event, like you I would expect Ketu to have the strongest effect during this eclipse, so I am curious about the outcome. regards Maddalena - cynthia novak <cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> gjlist <gjlist> Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:48 PM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 Dear Maddalena My understanding is the same as yours. I was just wondering why Rahu would terrorise the Sun when the eclipse is a KEtu eclipse. I learned that a Rahu eclipse gives and a Ketu eclipse takes away. It would seem that Ketu would be stronger since the Sun and Moon are with Ketu. I am also open to there being a symbolic description for Rahu terrorizing the Sun and Moon from his position on the other side of the heavens. During a eclipse, from the perspective of the Earth, the tiny Moon can block the light of the Sun. They become equals for a short time. I love the mythic stories and can't get enough. cynthia - Maddalena Cecchinato <mcecc88 (AT) libero (DOT) it> gjlist <gjlist> Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:48 AM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 My knwolegde of astronomy is very limited, but I think the following is correct: the earth orbits the Sun following a certain path. The geocentric point of view of this is to say that the Sun is orbiting (through the constellations) on its path, which is called the ecliptic. The zodiac is a belt extending above and below the ecliptic. The Moon has its own orbiting path in this belt. This path coincides with the ecliptic (the Sun's path) in 2 points: these points are called the Nodes of the Moon. So all this means that unless the Moon is in one of the intersecting points, a zodiacal conjunction or opposition to the Sun won't produce an eclipse, because they're not on the same line with the Earth. So to say that Rahu or Ketu are always present at an eclipse is redundant: there can be no eclipse if the Moon doesn't join one of the Nodes. I'll be grateful if the astronomically-minded can confirm this regards Maddalena ------- Rahu's attack may seem astounding to those who have assumed a solar eclipse to be merely the Moon blocking the Sun and a lunar eclipse to be Earth's shadow falling on the Moon. The Vedic texts, which include some the oldest astronomical treatises, do not contradict with the above understanding. However they also reveal a lesser-known behind-the-scene dimension to the phenomenon - that of Rahu or Ketu creeping up on the Sun or the Moon. It can be shown by astronomical calculations that Rahu or his accomplice Ketu will be in close proximity longitudinally to the Sun or the Moon at every eclipse. Modern astronomers have no idea of of the existence of these two planets, described in Vedic Astrology texts as "invisible", but they do recognise mathematical points which correspond to their positions - the ascending and descending nodes of the Moon. About two or three times a year, the Sun and Moon each travel near the danger zone of Rahu or Ketu. The universal terrorists, true to their demoniac nature, seize the opportunity to attack. Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Terms of Service <> . Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Terms of Service <> . 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Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 Dear Maddelena and Cynthia Because the eclipse was so materially inauspicious traditionally all the people would restrict themselves to spiritual activities such as chanting God's names and taking bath in Holy Rivers .Because everyone was so engaged the spiritual activities of the individual was amplified by the strength of the group . Here is an extract from the Sri Caitanya Bhagavat that describes the appearance of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu the incarnation of Vishnu for Kali Yuga during a lunar eclipse in 1486 . Kind Regards Nicholas The Adi Khanda of Sri Chaitanya Bhagavat begins by describing the appearance of Lord Chaitanya on an auspicious full moon evening in the month of Phalguna when the moon went into eclipse. The tumultuous chanting of Lord Hari's holy name filled all directions, inspiring everyone to sing together. The Supreme Lord Chaitanya was born amidst the chanting."(Sarvabhavana dasa. 1984. English trans. Sri Chaitanya Bhagavat.) "The Supreme Proprietor of the entire creation remained in the womb of Srimati Sacidevi, and on the full moon night in the month of Phalguna He appeared. That full moon night was the summum bonum of all the auspicious holy occasions of the cosmic manifestation combined. The Supreme Personality descended, accompanied by the process of congregational chanting of the holy name. He propagated this process by practising it Himself. Who is able to know the wonderful pastimes of the Supreme Lord? He arranged a lunar eclipse at the time of His birth. Upon seeing the lunar eclipse the residents of Navadvipa began to loudly chant the Lord's holy name and make other auspicious sounds. Endless teeming millions convulsed on the Ganges for holy ablutions and filled the air with loud chanting of the Lord's name. The tumultuous sound of their chanting penetrated the coverings of this material universe and travelled beyond Brahmaloka. All the saintly persons marvelled at this wonderful chanting and prayed for a perennial eclipse. All the devotees experienced deep exhilaration and exclaimed, "Such great joy! Maybe the Supreme Lord Krsna is making His appearance. The devotees went to the Ganges for their ablutions followed by the roar of chanting from all directions. Women, children, aged, pious, and impious - everyone loudly chanted Lord Hari's holy name during the lunar eclipse. The only sound within the universe was the all-prevailing chanting of "Hari! Hari!" The demigods showered flower confetti everywhere and proclaimed victory as they beat clamorously on their dundubhi drums. Amidst the resounding adulations, the Lord and the very soul of the universe appeared as the son of Srimati Sacidevi. The moon was eclipsed by Rahu; the ocean of the holy name inundated Navadvipa, drowning and subduing the darkness of Kali Yuga. The Supreme Lord was manifest! All the fourteen worlds resounded with the profound news. The moon-like Lord Chaitanya, Gauranga, had arisen; the residents of Nadia were freed from all sorrows just seeing the Lord. Their happiness and prosperity increased day by day. The roll of the dundubhi drums, the trumpeting of thousand conch shells, the shrill of flutes and horns, accompanied Vrndavana dasa's songs of praise to their Lordship Sri Chaitanya and Sri Nityananda Prabhu. His beautifully brilliant lustre overshadowed the sun's shining rays and dazzled my eyes. His drawn out, slightly drooping eyes defied description. The air was surcharged with joy; Lord Chaitanya had descended to the material world! One roaring sound of Lord Hari's name reverberated throughout the universe, beyond Brahmaloka carrying the tidings of Lord Chaitanya's birth. His exquisite complexion was the colour of sandalwood paste - Maddalena Cecchinato gjlist Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:32 AM Re: [GJ] Eclipse alert Dear Nicholas, thanks for this! It is really amazing that the Sun and the Moon appear to us as having the same size. I'm interested in the spiritual side of the eclipse. Is this more so because it is a Ketu and not Rahu eclipse? Maddalena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2002 Report Share Posted December 3, 2002 Dear Cynthia It is a partial eclipse here which peaks at 8.03 PM so it is very late in the day about half an hour before sunset . Good points about inner work . Those who have the eclipse occurring on sensitive points can perform some auspicious activity to ward off future evils . N - cynthia novak gjlist Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:39 AM Re: [GJ] Eclipse alert Dear Nicholas I agree that it is more than chance. I also find it very good for spiritual work. I even suspect that is why the mundane world seems to be turned upside down at this time. Better to surrender to inner work than struggle with outer demands....if you life allows. Will you be able to see the eclipse where you live? I wise astrologer Buz Myers used to say: For every king who lost his crown during an eclipse, another ascended to the throne." Change is heralded by the eclipse. c - Nicholas gjlist Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:01 PM [GJ] Eclipse alert Dear Maddelena and Cynthia One curious astronomical fact about this is that the moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun whilst being some 400 times closer and therefore fits exactly over the Sun at the time of the eclipse . The mechanists would see this as blind chance . My vote is to see it as a special moment in the Lord's creation with the wonder of a child and the wisdom of a sage . It is meant to be a very good time for spiritual activity . N - Maddalena Cecchinato gjlist Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:29 AM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 Dear Cynthia, my mail wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. Just thought the statement in the article about astronomers not knowing about the "planets" Rahu and Ketu was much too weird ;-) In any event, like you I would expect Ketu to have the strongest effect during this eclipse, so I am curious about the outcome. regards Maddalena - cynthia novak gjlist Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:48 PM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 Dear Maddalena My understanding is the same as yours. I was just wondering why Rahu would terrorise the Sun when the eclipse is a KEtu eclipse. I learned that a Rahu eclipse gives and a Ketu eclipse takes away. It would seem that Ketu would be stronger since the Sun and Moon are with Ketu. I am also open to there being a symbolic description for Rahu terrorizing the Sun and Moon from his position on the other side of the heavens. During a eclipse, from the perspective of the Earth, the tiny Moon can block the light of the Sun. They become equals for a short time. I love the mythic stories and can't get enough. cynthia - Maddalena Cecchinato gjlist Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:48 AM Re: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002 My knwolegde of astronomy is very limited, but I think the following is correct: the earth orbits the Sun following a certain path. The geocentric point of view of this is to say that the Sun is orbiting (through the constellations) on its path, which is called the ecliptic. The zodiac is a belt extending above and below the ecliptic. The Moon has its own orbiting path in this belt. This path coincides with the ecliptic (the Sun's path) in 2 points: these points are called the Nodes of the Moon. So all this means that unless the Moon is in one of the intersecting points, a zodiacal conjunction or opposition to the Sun won't produce an eclipse, because they're not on the same line with the Earth. So to say that Rahu or Ketu are always present at an eclipse is redundant: there can be no eclipse if the Moon doesn't join one of the Nodes. I'll be grateful if the astronomically-minded can confirm this regards Maddalena -------Rahu's attack may seem astounding to those who have assumed a solar eclipse to be merely the Moon blocking the Sun and a lunar eclipse to be Earth's shadow falling on the Moon. The Vedic texts, which include some the oldest astronomical treatises, do not contradict with the above understanding. However they also reveal a lesser-known behind-the-scene dimension to the phenomenon - that of Rahu or Ketu creeping up on the Sun or the Moon.It can be shown by astronomical calculations that Rahu or his accomplice Ketu will be in close proximity longitudinally to the Sun or the Moon at every eclipse. Modern astronomers have no idea of of the existence of these two planets, described in Vedic Astrology texts as "invisible", but they do recognise mathematical points which correspond to their positions - the ascending and descending nodes of the Moon. About two or three times a year, the Sun and Moon each travel near the danger zone of Rahu or Ketu. The universal terrorists, true to their demoniac nature, seize the opportunity to attack.Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 This 108 connection is scarcely scratching the surface. You'll find that all of the sun/moon/earth dimensions interact in whole numbers and powers of same. One of the best books on this is The Dimensions of Paradise by John Michell, published by Thames & Hudson. The basic error seems to be in modern scientists measuring so precisely and creatively that they miss these whole numbers by small fractions and do not notice what has not been produced by this science of measurement. Regards Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 Dear Gee, thanks for this. The "108" connection is even more amazing! regards Maddalena - Gee Sunn gjlist Wednesday, December 04, 2002 2:14 AM Re: [GJ] Eclipse alert In his book "Astrology of the Seers"David Frawley(Vamadeva Shastri) writes;The Sun and Moon are in essence one planet.The Moon is the feminine side of the Sun thathas been emanated to the proximity of the Earth to nourish and promote life.The Moon is the incarnation of the divine Motherwho dwells in the Sun.It is no mere astronomical coincidence that the Moon and Sun have the same relative size from the Earth.It is part of the working of the cosmic law.Eclipses of the Sun and the Moon can only occurbecause of this.They are not accidental, but are points of energytransformation necessary for the development oflife on Earth.The Sun is approximately 108 solar diameters fromthe Earth, while the Earth is 1/108 the size of the Sun.Meanwhile the Moon is about 108 Earth diametersfrom the Earth.No wonder 108 is such an important number in Vedicthought!Hari OmHaridas----------"Maddalena Cecchinato" <mcecc88 (AT) libero (DOT) it><gjlist>Re: [GJ] Eclipse alertTue, Dec 3, 2002, 6:32 PM Dear Nicholas, thanks for this! It is really amazing that the Sun and the Moon appear to us as having the same size. I'm interested in the spiritual side of the eclipse. Is this more so because it is a Ketu and not Rahu eclipse? Maddalena - Nicholas <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> To: gjlist <gjlist> Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:01 AM[GJ] Eclipse alertDear Maddelena and CynthiaOne curious astronomical fact about this is that the moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun whilst being some 400 times closer and therefore fits exactly over the Sun at the time of the eclipse . The mechanists would see this as blind chance . My vote is to see it as a special moment in the Lord's creation with the wonder of a child and the wisdom of a sage . It is meant to be a very good time for spiritual activity .N - Maddalena Cecchinato <mcecc88 (AT) libero (DOT) it> gjlist <gjlist> Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:29 AMRe: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002Dear Cynthia, my mail wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. Just thought the statement in the article about astronomers not knowing about the "planets" Rahu and Ketu was much too weird ;-) In any event, like you I would expect Ketu to have the strongest effect during this eclipse, so I am curious about the outcome. regardsMaddalena ----- Original Message ----- cynthia novak <cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> To: gjlist <gjlist> Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:48 PMRe: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002Dear MaddalenaMy understanding is the same as yours. I was just wondering why Rahu would terrorise the Sun when the eclipse is a KEtu eclipse. I learned that a Rahu eclipse gives and a Ketu eclipse takes away. It would seem that Ketu would be stronger since the Sun and Moon are with Ketu. I am also open to there being a symbolic description for Rahu terrorizing the Sun and Moon from his position on the other side of the heavens. During a eclipse, from the perspective of the Earth, the tiny Moon can block the light of the Sun. They become equals for a short time. I love the mythic stories and can't get enough. cynthia - Maddalena Cecchinato <mcecc88 (AT) libero (DOT) it> gjlist <gjlist> Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:48 AMRe: [GJ] Fw: [Planets9Today] Eclipse alert: Universal terrorist Rahu to attack the Sun god tomorrow 04DEC2002My knwolegde of astronomy is very limited, but I think the following is correct: the earth orbits the Sun following a certain path. The geocentric point of view of this is to say that the Sun is orbiting (through the constellations) on its path, which is called the ecliptic. The zodiac is a belt extending above and below the ecliptic.The Moon has its own orbiting path in this belt. This path coincides with the ecliptic (the Sun's path) in 2 points: these points are called the Nodes of the Moon. So all this means that unless the Moon is in one of the intersecting points, a zodiacal conjunction or opposition to the Sun won't produce an eclipse, because they're not on the same line with the Earth.So to say that Rahu or Ketu are always present at an eclipse is redundant: there can be no eclipse if the Moon doesn't join one of the Nodes. I'll be grateful if the astronomically-minded can confirm this regardsMaddalena -------Rahu's attack may seem astounding to those who have assumed a solar eclipse to be merely the Moon blocking the Sun and a lunar eclipse to be Earth's shadow falling on the Moon. The Vedic texts, which include some the oldest astronomical treatises, do not contradict with the above understanding. However they also reveal a lesser-known behind-the-scene dimension to the phenomenon - that of Rahu or Ketu creeping up on the Sun or the Moon.It can be shown by astronomical calculations that Rahu or his accomplice Ketu will be in close proximity longitudinally to the Sun or the Moon at every eclipse. Modern astronomers have no idea of of the existence of these two planets, described in Vedic Astrology texts as "invisible", but they do recognise mathematical points which correspond to their positions - the ascending and descending nodes of the Moon. About two or three times a year, the Sun and Moon each travel near the danger zone of Rahu or Ketu. The universal terrorists, true to their demoniac nature, seize the opportunity to attack.Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . 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Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 Dear Gordon, thanks for this reference, sacred geometry is such a fascinating subject regards Maddalena - GWBrennan (AT) aol (DOT) com gjlist Wednesday, December 04, 2002 2:20 PM Re: [GJ] Eclipse alert Dear Maddalena This 108 connection is scarcely scratching the surface. You'll find that all of the sun/moon/earth dimensions interact in whole numbers and powers of same. One of the best books on this is The Dimensions of Paradise by John Michell, published by Thames & Hudson. The basic error seems to be in modern scientists measuring so precisely and creatively that they miss these whole numbers by small fractions and do not notice what has not been produced by this science of measurement. Regards Gordon Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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