Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Dear Listers Thankyou to Andrew ,Cynthia and Goravani for nice replies that showed understanding for my feelings on this matter . If I could add one point it would be on the subject of remedial measures . My wife performs daily the traditional remedial measure of putting out fresh water for the birds . As Andrew would know the last few days in Melbourne have been hot and we daily get visited by many birds seeking relief for their thirst or taking a bath . If they empty the bird bath having a bath my wife will refill it . The real purpose of such remedials is not to get relief from karma (although this may be a by product) but to improve one's consciousness ,to become attuned to the needs of others and to be conscious of areas where one may have offended in the past so as to avoid offending in the present . Hope this is helpful Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Dear Nicholas and Andrew Perhaps we are on the same wave afterall, Andrew. I also fill and refill the birdbath and feed the birds twice daily. I do not do that for karma but for the joy of the experience. I have neighbors who dislike the pigeons, I love them and all the other birds who come with them. Perhaps those on this list could come up with simple measures that help a person dealing with difficult transits. I often recommend gardening, and planting bulbs for someone in grief. They have something to tend to outside their grief and something to look forward too. I also recommend repainting a room. Change the scenery if you will. Why not see what we can come up with? c - "Nicholas" <jyotish108 <gjlist> Sunday, November 24, 2002 2:19 AM [GJ] Saturn > Dear Listers > Thankyou to Andrew ,Cynthia and Goravani for nice replies that showed > understanding for my feelings on this matter . > If I could add one point it would be on the subject of remedial measures . > My wife performs daily the traditional remedial measure of putting out fresh > water for the birds . As Andrew would know the last few days in Melbourne > have been hot and we daily get visited by many birds seeking relief for > their thirst or taking a bath . > If they empty the bird bath having a bath my wife will refill it . > The real purpose of such remedials is not to get relief from karma (although > this may be a by product) but to improve one's consciousness ,to become > attuned to the needs of others and to be conscious of areas where one may > have offended in the past so as to avoid offending in the present . > Hope this is helpful > Nicholas > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 I would consider growing something you can eat, like a vegetable of some kind, or perhaps some peppers to add some spice back into your life. Positive action in the face of adversity usually helps it pass. Another route is to grow sprouts and eat them fresh. They have a lot of prana and can give you a "boost" when you are feeling lowest. There is a great mixture on the Yoga Institute site at http://www.yogainstitute.org/recipe.htm using sprouts and the breakfast meal of sprouted moong, raisins, yogourt, honey, and jaggery will definitely get your attitude up. The recommendation of making your food from scratch so it only has your positive energies also comes to mind. Basking is another technique. Find a room or an area outside that has plenty of sunlight. Spend 20-30 minutes just sitting with your eyes closed in the sun. This, scientifically, increases the amount of Vitimin D in the body and helps combat depression. Use full spectrum bulbs, if it is winter. Take a long warm bath with pure essences. I suggest White Cedar, Sage, and possibly Camomile or Eucalyptus. This is best done in the evening with sleep following. Allow yourself to sleep more when you are suffering, but don't overdo it. Add about an hour or an afternoon / evening nap of about an hour to help your body recover from the grief / depression effects. These emotions are very hard on a person physically as well as emotionally, and sleep allows the body to recover and the subconscious to sort things out and gain perspective. Give yourself permission to grieve. This may mean retreating to a room or a spiritual retreat for a period of time. Let yourself empty the emotions without repressing them. They will lessen as the immediate emotions are discharged. Bottling them up causes even more problems. Grief becomes less as it is stylized, this is why we have funerals. The survivors repeat the life and death of the person over and over until it becomes a ritual. By repeatedly facing it, the grief becomes less frightening and eventially it dissipates. -- John *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 11/24/02 at 10:29 AM cynthia novak wrote: >Dear Nicholas and Andrew > >Perhaps we are on the same wave afterall, Andrew. I also fill and refill >the birdbath and feed the birds twice daily. I do not do that for karma >but >for the joy of the experience. I have neighbors who dislike the pigeons, I >love them and all the other birds who come with them. > >Perhaps those on this list could come up with simple measures that help a >person dealing with difficult transits. I often recommend gardening, and >planting bulbs for someone in grief. They have something to tend to >outside >their grief and something to look forward too. I also recommend repainting >a room. Change the scenery if you will. > >Why not see what we can come up with? > >c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Thanks John Those are excellent ideas. c - "John Melka" <johnm <gjlist> Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:57 AM Re: [GJ] Saturn > I would consider growing something you can eat, like a vegetable of some kind, > or perhaps some peppers to add some spice back into your life. Positive action in the face > of adversity usually helps it pass. > > Another route is to grow sprouts and eat them fresh. They have a lot of prana and > can give you a "boost" when you are feeling lowest. There is a great mixture on the > Yoga Institute site at http://www.yogainstitute.org/recipe.htm using sprouts and the breakfast > meal of sprouted moong, raisins, yogourt, honey, and jaggery will definitely get your > attitude up. The recommendation of making your food from scratch so it only has > your positive energies also comes to mind. > > Basking is another technique. Find a room or an area outside that has plenty of sunlight. > Spend 20-30 minutes just sitting with your eyes closed in the sun. This, scientifically, > increases the amount of Vitimin D in the body and helps combat depression. Use > full spectrum bulbs, if it is winter. > > Take a long warm bath with pure essences. I suggest White Cedar, Sage, and possibly Camomile > or Eucalyptus. This is best done in the evening with sleep following. > > Allow yourself to sleep more when you are suffering, but don't overdo it. Add about an > hour or an afternoon / evening nap of about an hour to help your body recover from > the grief / depression effects. These emotions are very hard on a person physically as > well as emotionally, and sleep allows the body to recover and the subconscious to sort > things out and gain perspective. > > Give yourself permission to grieve. This may mean retreating to a room or a spiritual retreat > for a period of time. Let yourself empty the emotions without repressing them. They will lessen > as the immediate emotions are discharged. Bottling them up causes even more problems. > Grief becomes less as it is stylized, this is why we have funerals. The survivors repeat the > life and death of the person over and over until it becomes a ritual. By repeatedly facing it, > the grief becomes less frightening and eventially it dissipates. > > -- John > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 11/24/02 at 10:29 AM cynthia novak wrote: > > >Dear Nicholas and Andrew > > > >Perhaps we are on the same wave afterall, Andrew. I also fill and refill > >the birdbath and feed the birds twice daily. I do not do that for karma > >but > >for the joy of the experience. I have neighbors who dislike the pigeons, I > >love them and all the other birds who come with them. > > > >Perhaps those on this list could come up with simple measures that help a > >person dealing with difficult transits. I often recommend gardening, and > >planting bulbs for someone in grief. They have something to tend to > >outside > >their grief and something to look forward too. I also recommend repainting > >a room. Change the scenery if you will. > > > >Why not see what we can come up with? > > > >c Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2002 Report Share Posted November 25, 2002 Dear Nicholas, People who are fortunate enough to get benefit from remedial meaures always make these remedies as a part of their life. With best Wishes. Narinder Juneja. www.MyWebAstrologer.com - "Nicholas" <jyotish108 <gjlist> Sunday, November 24, 2002 1:49 PM [GJ] Saturn > Dear Listers > Thankyou to Andrew ,Cynthia and Goravani for nice replies that showed > understanding for my feelings on this matter . > If I could add one point it would be on the subject of remedial measures . > My wife performs daily the traditional remedial measure of putting out fresh > water for the birds . As Andrew would know the last few days in Melbourne > have been hot and we daily get visited by many birds seeking relief for > their thirst or taking a bath . > If they empty the bird bath having a bath my wife will refill it . > The real purpose of such remedials is not to get relief from karma (although > this may be a by product) but to improve one's consciousness ,to become > attuned to the needs of others and to be conscious of areas where one may > have offended in the past so as to avoid offending in the present . > Hope this is helpful > Nicholas > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2002 Report Share Posted November 25, 2002 Dear Cynthia and Narinder Here are some ideas on remedial measures for persons for whom Saturn's energies have become problematic . Saturn represents old,stagnant ,decaying things (in Phala Dapika Saturn is described as 100 years old ) . Now to reduce those types of energies here are some suggestions ; Moon represents new clothes and Saturn old clothes so one could buy some new clothes . Get rid of junk and clean up any mess that has been allowed to accumulate around the house . Get rid of weeds and other useless plants and plant flower or fruit producing plants . Make new iniatives in relationships that have deteriorated or stagnated . Saturn also represents the working class so those that have employees or subordinates can do some act of kindness to them or speak some appreceation for their labours .. Saturn's colour is black .Sometimes I see people wearing nothing but black ..They could change to some lighter ,brighter colour . Saturn also represents old people .Sometimes these people feel lonely or isolated their friends and family having moved on . Often there is one in your street .One can make an effort to befriend them or invite them out on an outing.Other old people have problems with mobility that a younger more active person can help with . Devotees of Krishna could invite an older neighbour to a temple and take good care of them . The overall concept is to be aware of how different energies play themselves out in life and to be conscious of the needs ,concerns and interests of others so as to create healthy energies around oneself . Hope this helps Nicholas - "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak <gjlist> Monday, November 25, 2002 3:29 AM Re: [GJ] Saturn > Dear Nicholas and Andrew > > Perhaps we are on the same wave afterall, Andrew. I also fill and refill > the birdbath and feed the birds twice daily. I do not do that for karma but > for the joy of the experience. I have neighbors who dislike the pigeons, I > love them and all the other birds who come with them. > > Perhaps those on this list could come up with simple measures that help a > person dealing with difficult transits. I often recommend gardening, and > planting bulbs for someone in grief. They have something to tend to outside > their grief and something to look forward too. I also recommend repainting > a room. Change the scenery if you will. > > Why not see what we can come up with? > > c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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