Fundamentalist Boneheads

[Guest guest]

Some absolutely brilliant superhero Christians believe George Harrison is now in

-- guess where -- HELL!

See the whole neanderthal story at:

http://www.kingshouse.org/whereisgeorge.htm

I think it is time to welcome these ladies and gents to the 21st century. While

we're at it, we can also welcome the Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu and

astrological fundamentalists (and their ilk everywhere) to same.

(BTW, I find the non-Indian-born astrological fundamentalists to be typically

just as militant and primitive as their hyper-Christian brethren.)

Love and kisses,

J.I. Abbot

[Guest guest]

I guess I am grateful for the existence of FBs (Fundamentalist Boneheads), since

I wouldn't have my work cut out for me without them around.

Sarva mangalam,

J.I. Abbot

[Guest guest]

You've got me all wrong. I'm not about fundie cleansing. Rather, I think we

should get them all jobs as actors in Hollywood B-movies, where they belong.

I want to *help* these people.

Fondly,

JIA

In a message dated 11/23/2002 10:13:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk writes:

Dear Abbot,

Do add, that without them, you wouldn't develope your own fundamentalist zeal to

rid the earth of them.

Best wishes

Visti

[Guest guest]

Thank you! Henceforth I will be posting various materials that highlight,

lampoon, address and/or attempt to counter FB propoganda.

One of many projects I will be working on in coming days is a series of tales

concerning the escapades of the great FB pioneer DIRK W. TRUCK, American hero.

To be continued.

Sincerely,

JIA

In a message dated 11/23/2002 10:51:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, das (AT) goravani (DOT) com writes:

A quote from the Fundamentalist Christian webpage about George going to hell:

"All of what Mr. Harrison was taught and believed was a lie from the pit of

Hell. Sorry, he was deceived by stupidity he was not very smart after all.

Everything Hinduism teaches is contrary to the truth of God and Christianity."

Well there you have it. Flat out racist hate from so - called Christians. If

this is Jesus, Romans did the right thing with him.

I think however, that this is not Jesus, but basic childish emotions of "I'm

better than you". It's a person, or persons, with very low self love, very low

awareness, very local consciousness, mouthing off as if they know something.

Such persons obviously have no friends in India, have never been there, have

never felt anything outside their own stupidity.

Bonehead said: "Everything Hinduism teaches is contrary to the truth of God and

Christianity."...

"Careless sweeping generalizations of negativity are used by demons when

describing races, cultures, religions and politics that they don't understand

but that they think might be able to undo their own limitations of mind, in

order to, they think, protect their very small nugget of understanding of life.

If their understanding ever does grow, they will realize that others can and

will add to it, and not take it away. In other words, the spiritual babies have

little spiritual wealth, and little experience of contact, exchange, growth, and

sharing. They therefore use all their personal power to protect a very small

nugget of knowledge, and this shows up in the world as backwards, narrow,

fundamentalism, and when and ever if such persons of small spirit are allowed

to be in power of an army, such as in the case of Adolph Hitler, it shows up as

Nationalism, Racism, Conquests, Mass Killing, and such things as the greatest

horrors of history." (Das Goravani, from his own Bible)

The fact is, George was not a person who was stupid. He was very much interested

in, and desiring to serve, higher truths and spirit, God, the Creator, the

Truth. This quest was very dear to him. Therefore he is wherever that has taken

him. He is with the persons of that nature, and in the place befitting his next

stage of development and service, which is where we all are all the time.

Because of his stupid statements, the author of the non-sense about George will

now be receiving subtle disapprroval, and that is his next stage of development,

his next lesson set. We are all "working/karma" all the time, and getting the

results of our particular works, karmas, actions, thoughts. This is always true

for everyone. Bodies are vehicles with which we work in the world of work.

Bodies are vehicles for spirits to interact "concretely" and as such they are a

blessing, inasmuch as they show that we were accepted to the school, and are in

the school, and thus we are learning. Being disembodied is another way of

learning. Having a body is a very good way of learning the truths of God, for

everyone, always. If embodied, the spiritual progress is being made. Whether

passing a test with good marks, or being confined in the corner for "being

bad", the student is always learning.

Eternal Hell and so forth are limited conceptions for controlling illiterate

masses who are fearful and uneducated. Therefore, they are becoming very

outdated modalities of religious understanding in an age when literacy and

communication are growing, not shrinking.

Despite whatever is being said about illiteracy and poverty, it's nothing today

as compared to many times in the past of the Earth. The fact is, we the humans

on Earth are, as a group of souls, evolving and developing constantly

throughout history, and that is the purpose of life, and that is happening, and

it's evident to me, clearly, just based on reviewing history in a sweeping way,

watching key indicators such as the size of racist conquests and overt

exploitation of groups of people. The meer fact that genocide is often stopped

by other nations, that large scale cheating and exploitation has to be "covered

up" and hidden, these are good indicators, because they show that caring,

communication, essentially light shining on darkness, have grown and spread

from past levels.

This is proof of the Hindu conception of life.

I liked the post by John Melka on the 50's in America, which I could relate to.

Even in 50 years, the consciousness of American's has improved tremendously in

the direction of respect for all. Just look at this simple fact. There is

equality based on "Human Rights" much more so than a meer 50 years ago. This is

a fact, and as one who grew up in Oakland California, a heavily ratially mixed

area, I can attest to this fact. I met the old timers in my youth who were

still calling ALL Africans bad names, and who blanketly hated them without any

real reason to have such hate whatsoever. They've died off, and they've not

been replaced. Nobody talks like that there anymore, and everone lives much

more racially mixed today. When I was a kid, I never saw a person who was half

African and half European. Nowadays it's very common. Gays and Lesbians no

longer need to completely hide their natures in society, and they have been a

part of society since forever as well.

George was a very sensitive person, who loved God and was not judgemental,

easily traveled amongst all peoples, and was not on an ego trip at all. He was

real, humble, didn't see himself or the Beatles as anything great, and was very

much interested in cherishing everyone and all moments of life. He was over

sensitive if anything, and haunted by lack of ability to fulfill his own dreams

for his own spirituality, like most of us. There was nothing wrong with George,

and I imagine that he will be born into a situation whereby he will be very

well able to fulfill his spiritual development at a higher level than most

souls, if he wasn't liberated to the eternal realm if such exists in this way

of "liberating" dear souls. In general, Hare Krishna devotees let down their

strictness at the times of the deaths of dear people, and simply say, "He was

so dear to Krishna that he probably was taken home".

He was a soft and loving person. This is what is key.

I hope that the Christian types who have such beliefs as what we've witnessed in

the website posted by Jesse never achieve any power anymore, and that they

themselves experience a broader, happier, more loving and peace spreading mood

about them, for truly, to express that the religion of millions of people is

pure hogwash is surely summarily arrogant, stupid, illiterate, uneducated, hate

spreading, war causing, and so many other negative adjectives I haven't the

space to type them all.

Das Goravani

(Raised Catholic, studied in priesthood, studied in Hindu priesthood, has worked

for religion, son of a devout Catholic, with priest and nuns in the ranks of my

aunts and uncles, friend to real Christians who do not speak these ways, friend

to many Hindus, who would never speak that way about others, friend to the

friends of George Harrison, peacemaker, lover of Divine thought and promoter of

positive spiritual growth for all people's everywhere, small soul, your

brother.)

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Abbot,

Do add, that without them, you wouldn't develope your own fundamentalist zeal to

rid the earth of them.

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

Jiabbot (AT) cs (DOT) com

gjlist

Saturday, November 23, 2002 4:04 PM

Re: [GJ] Fundamentalist Boneheads

Friends,I guess I am grateful for the existence of FBs (Fundamentalist

Boneheads), since I wouldn't have my work cut out for me without them

around.Sarva mangalam,J.I. Abbot Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om

Tat Sat:

gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of

is subject to the

[Guest guest]

(BTW, I find the non-Indian-born astrological fundamentalists to be typically

just as militant and primitive as their hyper-Christian brethren.)

 

I'm glad there is someone to pass the baton to in the fight against

fundamentalism. I have had a gutfull of it and will in future spend my time

reading or researching astrology rather than indulging in long winded

over-intellectual conversations with people who have become zealots. If we

followed Parashara rigidly and literally we would be marrying our daughters at

11 years of age and endlessly looking for the elephants we are supposed to

possess. People just can't seem to see a principal given and interpret it a

realistic manner in regards to the modern industrial society they live in.

 

I did a chart for a woman this week who was born in Leo with retrograde Saturn

within 1 degree of the lagna cusp. Saturn was minutes from being totally

stationary. Saturn was a powerful significator of the 8th house by being in

nakshatra of exalted Venus in Pisces who was in sookshma with Saturn by being

in his nakshatra too. Rahu was also in lagna. When she went into Rahu/Saturn

period and entered Sade Sati at the same time, she was struck with sudden

terrible illness where she had her colon removed and two further operations.

Try telling a person who has gone through all this to "go feed black crows on a

Saturday from an iron pot" I know who will be wearing an iron bar LOL.

 

Recently we have had on this list the usual western astrology converts trying to

reform Saturn and give us the old line that everything that happens to us should

be seen as a blessing etc. Try telling that to another woman who consulted me

this week. Her Saturn turned stationary by tertiary progression and BOTH her

parents died. This is Saturn at its nastiest and although we want to give some

esoteric meaning of wonder to these things, in reality it is suffering and

sorrows that Saturn brings when it bites. To try to sugar coat Saturn I feel is

not right. Sure he may bring wisdom and renunciation but what he destroys to

give it is usually catastrophic to the person in question.

 

Then there is the real question. How do you determine if a Saturn is

functionally benefic or malefic in a chart? How do we know when he will strike?

Maybe the crow feeders can tell us ........

 

Bone Idle Love and kisses,J.I. Abbot

[Guest guest]

Dear Andrew

 

I may well be one of those Western sugar coaters in your view. My statement was simple:

To tell someone that they will suffer the pains of birth without ever mentioning

that there will be a baby at the end is, to my mind, missing the point. I have

had several clients who were simply told that Saturn would bring them

suffering. No information regarding the nature of the lessons or gifts of

Saturn. Nothing about the depths of feeling and sensitivity that erupts during

this period. Nothing about the sense of hopelessness that often results in a

deeper appreciation of what is rather than what you want. Saturn shows you the

truth. There may indeed be great losses, but as an astrologer I have the

opportunity to look at the chart and see where the knot is and offer simple

tasks:Saturn always appreciates manual work or a simple task to help one move

through the period. To simply say yes you are suffering and it will continue

for 7 1/2 years is unconscionable. At the very least it is not what my clients

come to me for. They know that they are in pain, they come to me to help them

set up a structure or vessel to navigate that pain.

 

If all my job was to tell people that Saturn is coming I would feel like Chicken

Little in the story crying that the sky is falling! It will fall on you for 7

1/2 years, in another 5 years it will fall again for another 5 years, and again

and again.

 

A person will not lose his parents in every Saturn transit. Often Saturn to the

Moon or Sun will herald the loss of a parent when the parent is old it is more

likely than when young. An astrologer needs to help people rebuild as well as

grieve.

 

cynthia: a pragmatist, not a fundamentalist

[Guest guest]

A quote from the Fundamentalist Christian webpage about George going to hell:

"All of what Mr. Harrison was taught and believed was a lie from the pit of

Hell. Sorry, he was deceived by stupidity he was not very smart after all.

Everything Hinduism teaches is contrary to the truth of God and Christianity."

Well there you have it. Flat out racist hate from so - called Christians. If

this is Jesus, Romans did the right thing with him.

I think however, that this is not Jesus, but basic childish emotions of "I'm

better than you". It's a person, or persons, with very low self love, very low

awareness, very local consciousness, mouthing off as if they know something.

Such persons obviously have no friends in India, have never been there, have

never felt anything outside their own stupidity.

Bonehead said: "Everything Hinduism teaches is contrary to the truth of God and

Christianity."...

"Careless sweeping generalizations of negativity are used by demons when

describing races, cultures, religions and politics that they don't understand

but that they think might be able to undo their own limitations of mind, in

order to, they think, protect their very small nugget of understanding of life.

If their understanding ever does grow, they will realize that others can and

will add to it, and not take it away. In other words, the spiritual babies have

little spiritual wealth, and little experience of contact, exchange, growth, and

sharing. They therefore use all their personal power to protect a very small

nugget of knowledge, and this shows up in the world as backwards, narrow,

fundamentalism, and when and ever if such persons of small spirit are allowed

to be in power of an army, such as in the case of Adolph Hitler, it shows up as

Nationalism, Racism, Conquests, Mass Killing, and such things as the greatest

horrors of history." (Das Goravani, from his own Bible)

The fact is, George was not a person who was stupid. He was very much interested

in, and desiring to serve, higher truths and spirit, God, the Creator, the

Truth. This quest was very dear to him. Therefore he is wherever that has taken

him. He is with the persons of that nature, and in the place befitting his next

stage of development and service, which is where we all are all the time.

Because of his stupid statements, the author of the non-sense about George will

now be receiving subtle disapprroval, and that is his next stage of development,

his next lesson set. We are all "working/karma" all the time, and getting the

results of our particular works, karmas, actions, thoughts. This is always true

for everyone. Bodies are vehicles with which we work in the world of work.

Bodies are vehicles for spirits to interact "concretely" and as such they are a

blessing, inasmuch as they show that we were accepted to the school, and are in

the school, and thus we are learning. Being disembodied is another way of

learning. Having a body is a very good way of learning the truths of God, for

everyone, always. If embodied, the spiritual progress is being made. Whether

passing a test with good marks, or being confined in the corner for "being

bad", the student is always learning.

Eternal Hell and so forth are limited conceptions for controlling illiterate

masses who are fearful and uneducated. Therefore, they are becoming very

outdated modalities of religious understanding in an age when literacy and

communication are growing, not shrinking.

Despite whatever is being said about illiteracy and poverty, it's nothing today

as compared to many times in the past of the Earth. The fact is, we the humans

on Earth are, as a group of souls, evolving and developing constantly

throughout history, and that is the purpose of life, and that is happening, and

it's evident to me, clearly, just based on reviewing history in a sweeping way,

watching key indicators such as the size of racist conquests and overt

exploitation of groups of people. The meer fact that genocide is often stopped

by other nations, that large scale cheating and exploitation has to be "covered

up" and hidden, these are good indicators, because they show that caring,

communication, essentially light shining on darkness, have grown and spread

from past levels.

This is proof of the Hindu conception of life.

I liked the post by John Melka on the 50's in America, which I could relate to.

Even in 50 years, the consciousness of American's has improved tremendously in

the direction of respect for all. Just look at this simple fact. There is

equality based on "Human Rights" much more so than a meer 50 years ago. This is

a fact, and as one who grew up in Oakland California, a heavily ratially mixed

area, I can attest to this fact. I met the old timers in my youth who were

still calling ALL Africans bad names, and who blanketly hated them without any

real reason to have such hate whatsoever. They've died off, and they've not

been replaced. Nobody talks like that there anymore, and everone lives much

more racially mixed today. When I was a kid, I never saw a person who was half

African and half European. Nowadays it's very common. Gays and Lesbians no

longer need to completely hide their natures in society, and they have been a

part of society since forever as well.

George was a very sensitive person, who loved God and was not judgemental,

easily traveled amongst all peoples, and was not on an ego trip at all. He was

real, humble, didn't see himself or the Beatles as anything great, and was very

much interested in cherishing everyone and all moments of life. He was over

sensitive if anything, and haunted by lack of ability to fulfill his own dreams

for his own spirituality, like most of us. There was nothing wrong with George,

and I imagine that he will be born into a situation whereby he will be very

well able to fulfill his spiritual development at a higher level than most

souls, if he wasn't liberated to the eternal realm if such exists in this way

of "liberating" dear souls. In general, Hare Krishna devotees let down their

strictness at the times of the deaths of dear people, and simply say, "He was

so dear to Krishna that he probably was taken home".

He was a soft and loving person. This is what is key.

I hope that the Christian types who have such beliefs as what we've witnessed in

the website posted by Jesse never achieve any power anymore, and that they

themselves experience a broader, happier, more loving and peace spreading mood

about them, for truly, to express that the religion of millions of people is

pure hogwash is surely summarily arrogant, stupid, illiterate, uneducated, hate

spreading, war causing, and so many other negative adjectives I haven't the

space to type them all.

Das Goravani

(Raised Catholic, studied in priesthood, studied in Hindu priesthood, has worked

for religion, son of a devout Catholic, with priest and nuns in the ranks of my

aunts and uncles, friend to real Christians who do not speak these ways, friend

to many Hindus, who would never speak that way about others, friend to the

friends of George Harrison, peacemaker, lover of Divine thought and promoter of

positive spiritual growth for all people's everywhere, small soul, your

brother.)

[Guest guest]

My Dear Friends

This is How wars are started! Better to take Gandhi's attitude and pray for them.

Bless you ....... Noel ........

-

Jiabbot (AT) cs (DOT) com

gjlist

Saturday, November 23, 2002 8:03 AM

Re: [GJ] Fundamentalist Boneheads

Raghu,Thank you! Henceforth I will be posting various materials that highlight,

lampoon, address and/or attempt to counter FB propoganda.One of many projects I

will be working on in coming days is a series of tales concerning the escapades

of the great FB pioneer DIRK W. TRUCK, American hero.To be

continued.Sincerely,JIAIn a message dated 11/23/2002 10:51:35 AM Eastern

Standard Time, das (AT) goravani (DOT) com writes:

A quote from the Fundamentalist Christian webpage about George going to

hell:"All of what Mr. Harrison was taught and believed was a lie from the pit

of Hell. Sorry, he was deceived by stupidity he was not very smart after all.

Everything Hinduism teaches is contrary to the truth of God and

Christianity."Well there you have it. Flat out racist hate from so - called

Christians. If this is Jesus, Romans did the right thing with him.I think

however, that this is not Jesus, but basic childish emotions of "I'm better

than you". It's a person, or persons, with very low self love, very low

awareness, very local consciousness, mouthing off as if they know something.

Such persons obviously have no friends in India, have never been there, have

never felt anything outside their own stupidity.Bonehead said: "Everything

Hinduism teaches is contrary to the truth of God and Christianity."..."Careless

sweeping generalizations of negativity are used by demons when describing races,

cultures, religions and politics that they don't understand but that they think

might be able to undo their own limitations of mind, in order to, they think,

protect their very small nugget of understanding of life. If their

understanding ever does grow, they will realize that others can and will add to

it, and not take it away. In other words, the spiritual babies have little

spiritual wealth, and little experience of contact, exchange, growth, and

sharing. They therefore use all their personal power to protect a very small

nugget of knowledge, and this shows up in the world as backwards, narrow,

fundamentalism, and when and ever if such persons of small spirit are allowed

to be in power of an army, such as in the case of Adolph Hitler, it shows up as

Nationalism, Racism, Conquests, Mass Killing, and such things as the greatest

horrors of history." (Das Goravani, from his own Bi! ble)The fact is, George

was not a person who was stupid. He was very much interested in, and desiring

to serve, higher truths and spirit, God, the Creator, the Truth. This quest was

very dear to him. Therefore he is wherever that has taken him. He is with the

persons of that nature, and in the place befitting his next stage of

development and service, which is where we all are all the time. Because of his

stupid statements, the author of the non-sense about George will now be

receiving subtle disapprroval, and that is his next stage of development, his

next lesson set. We are all "working/karma" all the time, and getting the

results of our particular works, karmas, actions, thoughts. This is always true

for everyone. Bodies are vehicles with which we work in the world of work.

Bodies are vehicles for spirits to interact "concretely" and as such they are a

blessing, inasmuch as they show that we were accepted to the school, and are in

the school, and thus we are learning. Being d! isembodied is another way of

learning. Having a body is a very good way of learning the truths of God, for

everyone, always. If embodied, the spiritual progress is being made. Whether

passing a test with good marks, or being confined in the corner for "being

bad", the student is always learning.Eternal Hell and so forth are limited

conceptions for controlling illiterate masses who are fearful and uneducated.

Therefore, they are becoming very outdated modalities of religious

understanding in an age when literacy and communication are growing, not

shrinking.Despite whatever is being said about illiteracy and poverty, it's

nothing today as compared to many times in the past of the Earth. The fact is,

we the humans on Earth are, as a group of souls, evolving and developing

constantly throughout history, and that is the purpose of life, and that is

happening, and it's evident to me, clearly, just based on reviewing history in

a sweeping way, watching key indicators such as the size of racist conquests

and overt exploitation of groups of people. The meer fact that genocide is

often stopped by other nations, that large scale cheating and exploitation has

to be "covered up" and hidden, these are good indicators, because they show

that caring, communication, essentially light shining on darkness, have grown

and spread from past levels.This is proof of the Hindu conception of life.I

liked the post by John Melka on the 50's in America, which I could relate to.

Even in 50 years, the consciousness of American's has improved tremendously in

the direction of respect for all. Just look at this simple fact. There is

equality based on "Human Rights" much more so than a meer 50 years ago. This is

a fact, and as one who grew up in Oakland California, a heavily ratially mixed

area, I can attest to this fact. I met the old timers in my youth who were

still calling ALL Africans bad names, and who blanketly hated them without any

real reason to have such hate whatsoever. They've died off, and they've not

been replaced. Nobody talks like that there anymore, and everone lives much

more racially mixed today. When I was a kid, I never saw a person who was half

African and half European. Nowadays it's very common. Gays and Lesbians no

longer need to completely hide their natures in society, and they have been a

part of society since forever as well.George was a very sensitive person, who

loved God and was not judgemental, easily traveled amongst all peoples, and was

not on an ego trip at all. He was real, humble, didn't see himself or the

Beatles as anything great, and was very much interested in cherishing everyone

and all moments of life. He was over sensitive if anything, and haunted by lack

of ability to fulfill his own dreams for his own spirituality, like most of us.

There was nothing wrong with George, and I imagine that he will be born into a

situation whereby he will be very well able to fulfill his spiritual

development at a higher level than most souls, if he wasn't liberated to the

eternal realm if such exists in this way of "liberating" dear souls. In

general, Hare Krishna devotees let down their strictness at the times of the

deaths of dear people, and simply say, "He was so dear to Krishna that he

probably was taken home".He was a soft and loving person. This is what is key.I

hope that the Christian types who have such beliefs as what we've witnessed in

the website posted by Jesse never achieve any power anymore, and that they

themselves experience a broader, happier, more loving and peace spreading mood

about them, for truly, to express that the religion of millions of people is

pure hogwash is surely summarily arrogant, stupid, illiterate, uneducated, hate

spreading, war causing, and so many other negative adjectives I haven't the

space to type them all.Das Goravani(Raised Catholic, studied in priesthood,

studied in Hindu priesthood, has worked for religion, son of a devout Catholic,

with priest and nuns in the ranks of my aunts and uncles, friend to real

Christians who do not speak these ways, friend to many Hindus, who would never

speak that way about others, friend to the friends of George Harrison,

peacemaker, lover of Divine thought and promoter of positive spiritual growth

for all people's everywhere, small soul, your brother.)Om Namo Bhagavate

Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of

is subject to the

[Guest guest]

This is How wars are started! Better to take Gandhi's attitude and pray for them.

I think that this is wrong.

I put Krishna and Arjuna above Gandhi, and the same from other ancient cultures.

Jesse is exposing those who are wrong. He is not the wrong. The hater is the

wrong, the sweeping judger of entire other cultures is wrong. Jesse is the

peace maker, his keyboard the drum of awareness. Imagine if Hitler were alive

today, beginning his thing... and Jesse was exposing him worldwide- is that

bad?

Is prayer and pacifism sometimes just head burying and cowardice?

I think so.

For bringing some peace to Muslim/Hindu battle in mid last century India, Gandhi

was the ticket perhaps. It's not always the right approach everywhere always.

There are 5 main planets, and we all have these five fingers, five planets,

inside of us. One of them rules martiality, and there is good and bad

application of same. Good Mercury and Good Mars combine together to make Good

Forewarning of Danger from bad enemies of mankind.

Jesse is one of those. He's a spirited and good hearted journalist at this

point, you could say, and satirization of the enemies of mankind is a good

thing to be done, much better than journalling about Brittny and Justin's

latest breakup.

;-)

Peace through right action,

rick/das

[Guest guest]

My dear Friend

I am not disagreeing with the diagnostics there of, Just the purpose remedy

for the cure! I Would have to believe the that God has a better cure, thus the

need for pray!

 

-

Das Goravani

gjlist

Saturday, November 23, 2002 8:29 AM

Re: [GJ] Fundamentalist Boneheads

This is How wars are started! Better to take Gandhi's attitude and pray for

them.I think that this is wrong. I put Krishna and Arjuna above Gandhi, and the

same from other ancient cultures. Jesse is exposing those who are wrong. He is

not the wrong. The hater is the wrong, the sweeping judger of entire other

cultures is wrong. Jesse is the peace maker, his keyboard the drum of

awareness. Imagine if Hitler were alive today, beginning his thing... and Jesse

was exposing him worldwide- is that bad? Is prayer and pacifism sometimes just

head burying and cowardice?I think so. For bringing some peace to Muslim/Hindu

battle in mid last century India, Gandhi was the ticket perhaps. It's not always

the right approach everywhere always.There are 5 main planets, and we all have

these five fingers, five planets, inside of us. One of them rules martiality,

and there is good and bad application of same. Good Mercury and Good Mars

combine together to make Good Forewarning of Danger from bad enemies of

mankind.Jesse is one of those. He's a spirited and good hearted journalist at

this point, you could say, and satirization of the enemies of mankind is a good

thing to be done, much better than journalling about Brittny and Justin's latest

breakup.;-)Peace through right action,rick/das Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya;

Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

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There is an ancient Arabic proverb that deals with this:

 

"He who knows, and knows not that he knows, is asleep, wake him!

"He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool, shun

him!

"He who knows not, and knows that he knows not, is ignorant, instruct

him!

"He who knows and knows that he knows, is wise, follow him!"

 

IMHO, fundamentalists fall into the second and third category (and they

think I

do also). This means that constructive dialog can teach both some

answers.

And solves the second proverb:

 

"Keep your friends close, your enemies closer."

 

-- John

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***********On 11/23/02 at 8:29 AM Das Goravani wrote:

This is How wars are started! Better to

take Gandhi's attitude and pray for them.I think that this is

wrong. I put Krishna and Arjuna above Gandhi, and the same from other

ancient cultures.