Guest guest Posted October 26, 2002 Report Share Posted October 26, 2002 Hello everyone, I noticed the post about "Small Things", which ended with a type of cry for help, in my opinion. Whether that's true or not, having gone through much of overcoming depression recently, I'll post something on it. Firstly, my cure came after the switch from Saturn-Rahu into Saturn-Jupiter. So firstly, it's about Divine will in the universal timing. This cannot be denied, though some say you can alleviate the karma by upaya, but I am not commenting on that here. Some points that were key for me: 1. Association/Sanga: While we are depressed, often we hang around with people who are supporting the depression and not the cure. This often has to be changed. 2. Diet: Often the depression is related to our health, which can be greatly aided by diet. Increasing vegetables and whole grains, sprouts, healthy foods, reducing negative foods, greatly helps. 3. Self belief: Often we need to revamp our image ourselves. Often we need to have new faith in who we are. We need to look deep within and ask "who am I really". The answer we need to believe in. Often we are caught in relationships or situations which are relating to us as someone other than who we really are. This has to be changed often. 4. Accepting karma and Gods plan: Often, we are inwardly just upset because things have not gone our way, the way of our old desires. Therefore, we need to re-align ourselves with God's plan for us, through acceptance, and then action. This is surrender, or acceptance. This is hard, but huge, fundamental, in regaining mental happiness. 5. Take action: Gita says "What is hard at first gets better, what is easy/attractive at first turns bad". This is very true, I've found. Getting started by forcing ourselves, on the things we should be doing, need to do, is very hard at first, but it gets easier very fast, and turns to feeling good again, once we get the taste back, and it comes back. 6. Therapies: Things like baths, soaks, excercise, light/sound machines, kineseology, various wholistic body therapies, vacations, exposure to new things, all these kinds of things can help free our minds from old patterns that we are stuck inside. For myself, I have a rather unique/extreme world and life view. This was not being supported by a key relationship I was engaging in. I had to separate myself from certain people/influences in order to find my own thoughts again. Then I had to sit and talk to myself and God, and sort down into and get used to again, the feelings and ways of my real relationship with God. I had to do alot of acceptance. I had to let go of desires. I took many therapies, like the above, to repattern my brain, and get new and good ideas into my head. I had to associate with positive people who supported my real self, which is a religious/spiritual worker/warrior kind of person. I had to find support for who I really am, not support for a being, an identity, which didn't work for me. I had to stop trying to fix the situation with medications of all types. I had to face it, really face the real issues. This is key. The real problem is there, and we have to fix it, face it, or really transcend it. There is no shortcut. I am finding real happiness, and I'm right back where I was before the problem started, a devotee of God, a worker for Spirit and Knowledge spreading on Earth, and very much doing that alone, which was my way before. One day I may work with others/have more associates, but not right now. I had to stop desiring otherwise, for it is I who wants it this way, so I shouldn't complain. The ideas were false, and I misled myself. I believe we move on from depression when we are ready. God's plan sometimes seems unbearable, definitely. It seems awful, and we want to die. This can happen. But if we don't die, then we eventually get over it, usually, most people do. Only a very unfortunate few stay in depression lifelong. I strongly believe that ideas, diet, lifestyle, commitment to pushing oneself willfully into better/wholistic ways of thinking and acting, are very hard, for the depressed person, who keeps running back to the same old comfort items and thoughts that they think will help them, but which never do. The person has to face the "cold shower" of positive change. Often, there are persons and therapie centers near us that can help us, but we don't even notice them, don't use them, until we switch bhuktis or whatever... that is the sad thing about karma's strength over us. It's hard/impossible to shift the focus until we are meant to/allowed to. Many years ago I looked at the Saturn transits that were to continue for years over all my natal planets, which are in a row in my chart. I saw the hard bhuktis and transits, and just hoped it wouldn't be bad. It was very bad. I had to wait and wait. Finally the end came, and now I can breathe again, and be positive again. It took a very long time. The good side of it is that I am MUCH deeper of a soul, much wiser, stronger, and just WISER, to say it twice. I can now ASSUREDLY say things about life, about avoiding certain things, that before was just intellectual. This is important: Suffering ultimately = CLARITY When you REALLY suffer for LONG TIME, when you get over that, you KNOW some things REALLY WELL. The PAIN of the long PAIN is REMEMBERED. You never forget. You REALLY felt it. You KNOW IT. This is key. I believe this is the purpose of life itself. I get asked "Why does God do this to us, if we can do nothing about it" My answer is: You learn. That's the short answer. You learn something important. Life teaches us hard lessons, and we learn emotionaly. By the time we are done with many lifetimes in this way, we are VERY wise beings, capable of being in Eternal Lila. But before that, we would spoil the Lila with our stupidity, with our lust, with our wrong thoughts, with our UN-WISE natures. I believe that God wants us to EARN our right to be in Lila, so that it will be TRUE that we BELONG there and WANT to be there. If we were CREATED PERFECT, then it would not be the same, it would not be so nice, because we would just be Robots. The CHOICE to be with God fully comes after much suffering. Only by suffering in this illusory/temporary world, can we earn and obtain the privelage of desiring God's association correctly. This is the point of life. IF YOU CAN know God fully and correctly now, then it is not long til you will be with Him and Her. If you are still thinking that things of this world, base things, are of so much interest and pleasure, then perhaps you will be taught some things, before being ready. Peace, I hope this is one small part of the path back home for someone, Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 It is an excellent inspirational article. Peace and love, Pradip Das Goravani [] Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:44 AM gjlist [GJ] Overcoming Depression Hello everyone, I noticed the post about "Small Things", which ended with a type of cry for help, in my opinion. Whether that's true or not, having gone through much of overcoming depression recently, I'll post something on it. Firstly, my cure came after the switch from Saturn-Rahu into Saturn-Jupiter. So firstly, it's about Divine will in the universal timing. This cannot be denied, though some say you can alleviate the karma by upaya, but I am not commenting on that here. Some points that were key for me: 1. Association/Sanga: While we are depressed, often we hang around with people who are supporting the depression and not the cure. This often has to be changed. 2. Diet: Often the depression is related to our health, which can be greatly aided by diet. Increasing vegetables and whole grains, sprouts, healthy foods, reducing negative foods, greatly helps. 3. Self belief: Often we need to revamp our image ourselves. Often we need to have new faith in who we are. We need to look deep within and ask "who am I really". The answer we need to believe in. Often we are caught in relationships or situations which are relating to us as someone other than who we really are. This has to be changed often. 4. Accepting karma and Gods plan: Often, we are inwardly just upset because things have not gone our way, the way of our old desires. Therefore, we need to re-align ourselves with God's plan for us, through acceptance, and then action. This is surrender, or acceptance. This is hard, but huge, fundamental, in regaining mental happiness. 5. Take action: Gita says "What is hard at first gets better, what is easy/attractive at first turns bad". This is very true, I've found. Getting started by forcing ourselves, on the things we should be doing, need to do, is very hard at first, but it gets easier very fast, and turns to feeling good again, once we get the taste back, and it comes back. 6. Therapies: Things like baths, soaks, excercise, light/sound machines, kineseology, various wholistic body therapies, vacations, exposure to new things, all these kinds of things can help free our minds from old patterns that we are stuck inside. For myself, I have a rather unique/extreme world and life view. This was not being supported by a key relationship I was engaging in. I had to separate myself from certain people/influences in order to find my own thoughts again. Then I had to sit and talk to myself and God, and sort down into and get used to again, the feelings and ways of my real relationship with God. I had to do alot of acceptance. I had to let go of desires. I took many therapies, like the above, to repattern my brain, and get new and good ideas into my head. I had to associate with positive people who supported my real self, which is a religious/spiritual worker/warrior kind of person. I had to find support for who I really am, not support for a being, an identity, which didn't work for me. I had to stop trying to fix the situation with medications of all types. I had to face it, really face the real issues. This is key. The real problem is there, and we have to fix it, face it, or really transcend it. There is no shortcut. I am finding real happiness, and I'm right back where I was before the problem started, a devotee of God, a worker for Spirit and Knowledge spreading on Earth, and very much doing that alone, which was my way before. One day I may work with others/have more associates, but not right now. I had to stop desiring otherwise, for it is I who wants it this way, so I shouldn't complain. The ideas were false, and I misled myself. I believe we move on from depression when we are ready. God's plan sometimes seems unbearable, definitely. It seems awful, and we want to die. This can happen. But if we don't die, then we eventually get over it, usually, most people do. Only a very unfortunate few stay in depression lifelong. I strongly believe that ideas, diet, lifestyle, commitment to pushing oneself willfully into better/wholistic ways of thinking and acting, are very hard, for the depressed person, who keeps running back to the same old comfort items and thoughts that they think will help them, but which never do. The person has to face the "cold shower" of positive change. Often, there are persons and therapie centers near us that can help us, but we don't even notice them, don't use them, until we switch bhuktis or whatever... that is the sad thing about karma's strength over us. It's hard/impossible to shift the focus until we are meant to/allowed to. Many years ago I looked at the Saturn transits that were to continue for years over all my natal planets, which are in a row in my chart. I saw the hard bhuktis and transits, and just hoped it wouldn't be bad. It was very bad. I had to wait and wait. Finally the end came, and now I can breathe again, and be positive again. It took a very long time. The good side of it is that I am MUCH deeper of a soul, much wiser, stronger, and just WISER, to say it twice. I can now ASSUREDLY say things about life, about avoiding certain things, that before was just intellectual. This is important: Suffering ultimately = CLARITY When you REALLY suffer for LONG TIME, when you get over that, you KNOW some things REALLY WELL. The PAIN of the long PAIN is REMEMBERED. You never forget. You REALLY felt it. You KNOW IT. This is key. I believe this is the purpose of life itself. I get asked "Why does God do this to us, if we can do nothing about it" My answer is: You learn. That's the short answer. You learn something important. Life teaches us hard lessons, and we learn emotionaly. By the time we are done with many lifetimes in this way, we are VERY wise beings, capable of being in Eternal Lila. But before that, we would spoil the Lila with our stupidity, with our lust, with our wrong thoughts, with our UN-WISE natures. I believe that God wants us to EARN our right to be in Lila, so that it will be TRUE that we BELONG there and WANT to be there. If we were CREATED PERFECT, then it would not be the same, it would not be so nice, because we would just be Robots. The CHOICE to be with God fully comes after much suffering. Only by suffering in this illusory/temporary world, can we earn and obtain the privelage of desiring God's association correctly. This is the point of life. IF YOU CAN know God fully and correctly now, then it is not long til you will be with Him and Her. If you are still thinking that things of this world, base things, are of so much interest and pleasure, then perhaps you will be taught some things, before being ready. Peace, I hope this is one small part of the path back home for someone, Raghu Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to DISCLAIMER: Information contained and transmitted by this E-MAIL is proprietary to Hexaware Technologies and is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If this is a forwarded message, the content of this E-MAIL may not have been sent with the authority of the Company. 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