Endometriosis

[Guest guest]

Ok Cynthia

I've got her buying a 4 oz jar of progesterone cream from Source Natural.

Theirs is 500mg of progesterone per ounce where as projest has only 400mg of

progesterone per ounce. Their both good products my wife has been using one or

the other for four years now with equal results.

I work at a health food store that carries both these products and this girl

is a cashier there. We get a 35% discount.

I'm having her do a two month saturation period. CROSS YOUR FINGERS! I'll

keep you posted.

Thanks for all your help and bless you! ..... Noel .....

[Guest guest]

Dear Noel

Saturation is the word. The recommended dosage of 1/4 tsp was much too little

for me. I asked other women and started using a 1/2 tsp twice a day. I also

found that rubbing into upper body was much more effective than lower body. I

like under side of upper arms, neck and chest area. I started doing inner

thigh as mentioned in Dr. Lee's 1st book but got no results. In his 2nd book he

recommends what I learned from trial and error.

 

Good luck

c

-

Noel

gjlist

Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:48 PM

[GJ] Endometriosis

Ok Cynthia

I've got her buying a 4 oz jar of progesterone cream from Source Natural.

Theirs is 500mg of progesterone per ounce where as projest has only 400mg of

progesterone per ounce. Their both good products my wife has been using one or

the other for four years now with equal results.

I work at a health food store that carries both these products and this girl

is a cashier there. We get a 35% discount.

I'm having her do a two month saturation period. CROSS YOUR FINGERS! I'll

keep you posted.

Thanks for all your help and bless you! ..... Noel ..... Om Namo Bhagavate

Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of

is subject to the

[Guest guest]

Noel...

>From my analysis of her chart, (the western chart) with the venus/mars

conjunct square the Saturn, (yes, the moon is involved, but so is

venus and mars) This "signature" would also match up to

her presentation of Blood Stagnation in the Chong &

Ren Meridians. Endometriosis clearly can have many different

etiologies, from blood stagnation, coldness in the womb, liver qi

stagnation, etc. etc. Of course, I would love to see what her tongue

looks like and what her pulse feels like. But it seems like there

are also some issues around the moon (mother) as well which may be

contributing to her symptoms.

I'm not a fan of Dr. Lee. (In fact, he has nothing to back up his

findings. He has no research.) I think he over-prescribes the

use of the progesterone creams. In my patients who have been

diagnosed with endometriosis, it has shown up NOT to be a progesterone

deficiency BUT a testosterone excess. I would be careful

about "suggesting and recommending" the use of the progesterone

cremes without having a saliva test to check her hormone levels

first. She's young, only 19. Does her mother have a history

of this as well??

Anyway, there are some great chinese raw herbal (tinctures, or capsules

too) formulas to break up blood stagnation as well as ease the

pain. Homeopathics work well too. You just need to determine

what her temperature is. How does she present in Ayurvedic

medicine?? Maybe you can provide more details to me in a private

post. Two formulas come to mind,...Tao Hong Si Wu Tong or

Warm the Mensus. But first, it has to be determined whether her

stagnation is being caused by cold, or heat.

So, tell me, what "signature" in her vedic chart points to this

condition so I can compare.??

Georgette

At 03:48 PM 10/12/2002 -0700, you wrote:

Ok Cynthia

I've got her buying a 4 oz jar of progesterone cream

from Source Natural. Theirs is 500mg of progesterone per ounce

where as projest has only 400mg of progesterone per ounce. Their both

good products my wife has been using one or the other for four years now

with equal results.

I work at a health food store that carries both these

products and this girl is a cashier there. We get a 35% discount.

I'm having her do a two month saturation period. CROSS

YOUR FINGERS! I'll keep you posted.

Thanks for all your help and bless you! ..... Noel .....

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

 

Your use of is subject to the

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Georgetta

-

Georgette Young Liebhaber

gjlist

Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:38 PM

Re: [GJ] Endometriosis

Noel...From my analysis of her chart, (the western chart) with the venus/mars

conjunct square the Saturn, (yes, the moon is involved, but so is venus and

mars) This "signature" would also match up to her

presentation of Blood Stagnation in the Chong & Ren Meridians. Endometriosis

clearly can have many different etiologies, from blood stagnation, coldness in

the womb, liver qi stagnation, etc. etc. Of course, I would love to see what

her tongue looks like and what her pulse feels like. But it seems like there

are also some issues around the moon (mother) as well which may be contributing

to her symptoms. Her tongue is clean. Her superficial pulse is Vata, rhythm

is regular, strength is strong. Her deep is the same as the superficial, Vata,

regular & strong.I'm not a fan of Dr. Lee. (In fact, he has nothing to back up

his findings. He has no research.) I have personally seen two woman reverse

osteoporosis with a good quility progesterone cream and a good bone formula

with ostivone in it I think he over-prescribes the use of the progesterone

creams. In my patients who have been diagnosed with endometriosis, it has

shown up NOT to be a progesterone deficiency BUT a testosterone excess. I

would be careful about "suggesting and recommending" the use of the

progesterone cremes without having a saliva test to check her hormone levels

first. She real has nothing to lose at this point. If she doesn't pull out of

this quickly she look at a hysterectomy in the very near future. She's young,

only 19. Does her mother have a history of this as well?? Her mother has high

blood pressure.Anyway, there are some great chinese raw herbal (tinctures, or

capsules too) formulas to break up blood stagnation as well as ease the pain.

Homeopathics work well too. You just need to determine what her temperature

is. Its normal How does she present in Ayurvedic medicine?? Maybe you can

provide more details to me in a private post. Two formulas come to

mind,...Tao Hong Si Wu Tong or Warm the Mensus. But first, it has to be

determined whether her stagnation is being caused by cold, or heat. I believe

it started out as a Pitta condtion. And the doctors push it into a Vata

condtion. I originally treated her for a Vata condtion fully expecting it to

turn pitta, which it did. I now have her on a Vata/Pitta pacifying diet, oil

massages And an herbal formula to treat her Srotas. (Ayurvedic Pathology)So,

tell me, what "signature" in her vedic chart points to this condition so I can

compare.??I have to say her signature is not as obvious as Case #1. But if a

had to take a guest I would say her moon on the cusp of her eighth house is the

heavy player here. I am sure there are other factrors here, but I am not a good

enough astrologer to see It. Thanks for you help my friend ..... Noel

.......Georgette At 03:48 PM 10/12/2002 -0700, you wrote:

Ok Cynthia I've got her buying a 4 oz jar of progesterone cream from Source

Natural. Theirs is 500mg of progesterone per ounce where as projest has only

400mg of progesterone per ounce. Their both good products my wife has been

using one or the other for four years now with equal results. I work at a

health food store that carries both these products and this girl is a cashier

there. We get a 35% discount. I'm having her do a two month saturation

period. CROSS YOUR FINGERS! I'll keep you posted.Thanks for all your help and

bless you! ..... Noel ..... Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat

Sat:

gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of

is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare

Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of

is subject to the

[Guest guest]

Dear Georgette

Where can I read about the research done in these other areas? I found Dr.

Lee's approach helpful but am very wired...vatta vatta vatta!...black kohash

was horrible for me and I would be most interested in anything I could read

about other approaches. BTW, I have been to a Chinese dr. for herbs and

acupuncture but it did not help. It felt fine for a while then boom back to

hyper woman. Apparently my system pulls strongly against itself. I was told

that it is easier to cure cancer than to get my system to flow smoothly. I

suspect that she is right so I am most interested in learning.

 

cynthia

[Guest guest]

Hi Cynthia...

I'm not totally knocking Dr. Lee. He's like the Linda Goodman of

HORMONE land. He has captured the attention of many women who

are willing to take a pro-active role in their healing. And that's

a good thing. But most of his writing is based upon his personal

case studies. Not on clinical studies. And he's not

always right.

I don't know how old you are, but if you're mentioning black

kohash,...then you must be perimenopausal. I am inspired by the

work of Cristiane Northrup, M.D. She wrote several books on Women's

Health. Her latest is "The Wisdom of Menopause" but her

earlier one was titled..."Women's Bodies Women's Wisdom"

(And she supports the role of astrology in healing!!)

The other fellow that has inspired how I practice is Dr. Collins, N.D.,

author of "What's your Menopause Type". He has the references

you're asking for and has gathered clinical data to back up his

findings. It's interesting because he used to collect the data of

thousands and thousands of "saliva tests" that came across his

desk for years while working at Great Smokies Labs, and what he noticed

were that there were 12 different types of menopause. Each with

it's own peculiar set of signs and symptoms and each with it's own

particular set of high risks. (One man's medicine is another man's

poison.)

For more information, I refer you to his

website,...www.yourmenopausetype.com. Menopause was

thought to be an estrogen deficiency, but in this country most of us are

estrogen dominant due to many factors. So the one size fits all

approach, meaning prescribe estrogen (even black cohosh) and all will be

well, does not work for us anymore. Women can be a combination of

estrogen excess or deficient, progesterone excess or deficient, or

testosterone excess or deficient. So check out his work. It

requires fine tuning. And by self medicating with hormones, one can

actually throw off the balance of the other one's. That why I

always recommend testing.

If you're Chinese dr. did not help, then there is a strong possibility

that he misdiagnosed you with the wrong pattern.

I also often recommend that my patients get on a good "homeopathic

constitutional remedy" as a foundation for the rest of their

healing. is good, and Ayurvedic Herbs are great

too!! Where one system might have a weak link, the other may be

able to make up for it.

Hope this helps!

Georgette

At 08:07 PM 10/14/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Dear Georgette

Where can I read about the research done in these other areas? I

found Dr. Lee's approach helpful but am very wired...vatta vatta

vatta!...black kohash was horrible for me and I would be most interested

in anything I could read about other approaches. BTW, I have been

to a Chinese dr. for herbs and acupuncture but it did not help. It

felt fine for a while then boom back to hyper woman. Apparently my

system pulls strongly against itself. I was told that it is easier

to cure cancer than to get my system to flow smoothly. I suspect

that she is right so I am most interested in learning.

 

cynthia

 

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

 

Your use of is subject to the

 

[Guest guest]

THank You!!!!

 

c

-

Georgette Young Liebhaber

gjlist

Monday, October 14, 2002 10:39 PM

Re: [GJ] Endometriosis

Hi Cynthia...I'm not totally knocking Dr. Lee. He's like the Linda Goodman of

HORMONE land. He has captured the attention of many women who are willing to

take a pro-active role in their healing. And that's a good thing. But most of

his writing is based upon his personal case studies. Not on clinical studies.

And he's not always right.I don't know how old you are, but if you're mentioning

black kohash,...then you must be perimenopausal. I am inspired by the work of

Cristiane Northrup, M.D. She wrote several books on Women's Health. Her

latest is "The Wisdom of Menopause" but her earlier one was titled..."Women's

Bodies Women's Wisdom" (And she supports the role of astrology in

healing!!)The other fellow that has inspired how I practice is Dr. Collins,

N.D., author of "What's your Menopause Type". He has the references you're

asking for and has gathered clinical data to back up his findings. It's

interesting because he used to collect the data of thousands and thousands of

"saliva tests" that came across his desk for years while working at Great

Smokies Labs, and what he noticed were that there were 12 different types of

menopause. Each with it's own peculiar set of signs and symptoms and each with

it's own particular set of high risks. (One man's medicine is another man's

poison.) For more information, I refer you to his

website,...www.yourmenopausetype.com. Menopause was thought to be an

estrogen deficiency, but in this country most of us are estrogen dominant due

to many factors. So the one size fits all approach, meaning prescribe estrogen

(even black cohosh) and all will be well, does not work for us anymore. Women

can be a combination of estrogen excess or deficient, progesterone excess or

deficient, or testosterone excess or deficient. So check out his work. It

requires fine tuning. And by self medicating with hormones, one can actually

throw off the balance of the other one's. That why I always recommend testing.

If you're Chinese dr. did not help, then there is a strong possibility that he

misdiagnosed you with the wrong pattern. I also often recommend that my

patients get on a good "homeopathic constitutional remedy" as a foundation for

the rest of their healing. is good, and Ayurvedic Herbs are

great too!! Where one system might have a weak link, the other may be able to

make up for it. Hope this helps!GeorgetteAt 08:07 PM 10/14/2002 -0500, you

wrote:

Dear GeorgetteWhere can I read about the research done in these other areas? I

found Dr. Lee's approach helpful but am very wired...vatta vatta vatta!...black

kohash was horrible for me and I would be most interested in anything I could

read about other approaches. BTW, I have been to a Chinese dr. for herbs and

acupuncture but it did not help. It felt fine for a while then boom back to

hyper woman. Apparently my system pulls strongly against itself. I was told

that it is easier to cure cancer than to get my system to flow smoothly. I

suspect that she is right so I am most interested in learning. cynthia

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an

email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of

is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate

Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of

is subject to the