Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Dear Nichnolas, You wrote: <Overall your chart is not too bad ...> Allow me a comment: No chart is too good nor is it too bad. An individual will always have some degree of free-will, where several negative issues can be 'fixed' with appropriate remedies (which may or may not be accepted by the individual in accordance with his/her belief/religion). Kind regards Jay Weiss - "Nicholas" <jyotish108 <gjlist> Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:55 AM Re: [GJ] Help needed: Ketu Mahadasha -Visti > Dear IdasGupta > I know some very experienced astrologers who say that the Ketu Mahadasha is > the worst . > However I can offer one insight that may be helpful .Ketu is the planet of > transformations and so the period brings changes to the native . > For us mortal beings living in a world of temporariness change is inevitable > and so it is best to see the positives that changes bring rather than being > sorrowful about what is lost or clinging to some past that no longer exists > .It sounds like you have already in Ketu Bhuktis experienced Ketu's power > for changes . Transforming periods often give us the freedom to be what we > want to be rather than what we have been . > > Overall your chart is not too bad ,the Yogakaraka 5th and 10th Lord Mars is > exalted in the 7th house so you might do well in professions or business > whlie Jupiter is strong and well placed . > > Well that's a start > Nicholas > > > > - > "idasgupta98" <idasgupta98 > <gjlist> > Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:17 PM > Re: [GJ] Help needed: Ketu Mahadasha -Visti > > > > dear visti and listmembers, > > > > I hope I am not stepping across the line here by asking a personal > > question. I also have a ketumahadasha period coming up (dob: january > > 19, '64, 6:33pm, calcutta india) and have been trying to figure out > > just what is wrong in the picture. I have been having a LOT of > > problems mentally and hence in my work. I have always wanted to write > > full time and in that hope I have been researching a book I hope to > > publish someday soon but there are times I feel like I don't want to > > continue at all. the book has become a monster and is almost > > consuming me (visions of the old stories of chandragrahan swim around > > in my head) but I cannot let go. I need to finish this and something > > tells me that I need to finish this book if I want to get anywhere > > near to being a full time writer. my finances are at a low point and > > I need to do something about it as well. but something tells me that > > this book is a key to my future and so I persevere despite > > misgivings. > > > > I think I am a bit depressed as well (though may be not clinically) > > and the approaching ketu mahadasha fills me with dread, more so as > > the past mercury mahadasha has not been very fruitful for me. BUT, I > > have noticed that in the past, ketu bhuktis and antardasha have > > resulted in short term success for me. not necessarily monetarily but > > in terms of "improvement of circumstance" as in maybe a new job or > > academic success. I have ketu and mercury in the sixth in sagittarius > > unaspected by any planet except rahu in 12th. this means that I have > > a natural malefic in a dusthana but in an exalted house (IF we take > > sag as exaltation for ketu). it's also in the ninth in virgo in the > > navamsa (together with saturn). > > > > any ideas as to what the next years and ketu (and Rahu) could have in > > store for me? are my aspects working against me? will I be able to > > finish this book or am I wasting my time totally? should I give up on > > writing entirely and instead go get a job in publishing (if I can) or > > something? please email me or post. any help would be appreciated. > > > > many thanks. > > > > idg. > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Dear Jay Yes you have a point .Predestination is not set in stone and people have the chance to improve their consciousness , perform auspicious karmas and perform astral remedies to relieve the obstacles they face .Some who are through with karma might take to transcendence or Krishna Bhakti . Still some charts I have to admit I would not like to be born under . Some charts have energies that naturally flow in constructive directions while other charts are structured otherwise . It is true that all placements have a good side and a bad side but some placements have more value on the good side and some have more weight on the negative side . My understanding is that the astrologer directs the client towards the potentialities of the chart whilst warning of the pitfalls that might obstruct the client from reaching that potential . Kind regards Nicholas > Dear Nichnolas, > > You wrote: <Overall your chart is not too bad ...> > Allow me a comment: > No chart is too good nor is it too bad. > An individual will always have some degree of free-will, where several > negative issues can be 'fixed' with appropriate remedies (which may or may > not be accepted by the individual in accordance with his/her > belief/religion). > > Kind regards > > Jay Weiss > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Dear Nicholas, You wrote: <"... admit I would not like to be born under ..."> Me: I agree here as far as to one's own perception/judgment in comparison with other charts, however no chart is perfect in the sense that it is never free of afflictions 'thanks' to some unavoidable constant factors like Rahu & co., transits etc. This is basically a subject for an entire seminar so I will leave it 'as is' for the moment. You wrote: <"astrologer directs the client towards the potentialities "> Me: Indeed this is the major target for a serious astrologer but how would you explain that one astrologer will advice his client due to some specific indications in a chart HE produced, while another will see no issue there due to the use of a different ayanamsa (or any other disputable factor) which will place planet(s) in a different house/sign/Nakshatra etc. etc. ... ? Kind regards Jay - "Nicholas" <jyotish108 <gjlist> Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:11 PM Re: [GJ] Help needed: Ketu Mahadasha - Visti > Dear Jay > Yes you have a point .Predestination is not set in stone and people have the > chance to improve their consciousness , perform auspicious karmas and > perform astral remedies to relieve the obstacles they face .Some who are > through with karma might take to transcendence or Krishna Bhakti . > > Still some charts I have to admit I would not like to be born under . > Some charts have energies that naturally flow in constructive directions > while other charts are structured otherwise . > It is true that all placements have a good side and a bad side but some > placements have more value on the good side and some have more weight on the > negative side . My understanding is that the astrologer directs the client > towards the potentialities of the chart whilst warning of the pitfalls that > might obstruct the client from reaching that potential . > > Kind regards > Nicholas > > > > > > > Dear Nichnolas, > > > > You wrote: <Overall your chart is not too bad ...> > > Allow me a comment: > > No chart is too good nor is it too bad. > > An individual will always have some degree of free-will, where several > > negative issues can be 'fixed' with appropriate remedies (which may or may > > not be accepted by the individual in accordance with his/her > > belief/religion). > > > > Kind regards > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Dear Jay > > You wrote: <"astrologer directs the client towards the potentialities "> > Me: Indeed this is the major target for a serious astrologer but how > would you explain that one astrologer will advice his client due to some > specific indications in a chart HE produced, while another will see no issue > there due to the use of a different ayanamsa (or any other disputable > factor) which will place planet(s) in a different house/sign/Nakshatra etc. > etc. ... ? > > Kind regards > Jay This is probably another long discussion subject but it is an excellent query and good to keep in mind how jyotish fits into the overall scheme of things . .. My reply would be that there is a lot in a chart ,just as their is a lot to a person and their lives .So looking at a chart one astrologer will see something and another astrologer will see something else .There is the individuality of the astrologer also .There are a lot of techniques out there and some jyotishis prefer some and some prefer others .And some are good with some and good with others . There are different perspectives of different astrologers to also like the famous half full half empty example . Occasionally my own chart comes up for discussion and I am often surprised (although I shouldn't be ! ) that someone comes up with something that I'd never seen or noticed before . The understanding of a chart tends to grow over time .Another point here is that the astrologer himself is subject to karma ,dashas and transits and may have better and weaker days and periods . Ultimately it is up to Krsna what the astrologer can see or cannot see because in Bhagavad Gita Krsna says that from him comes knowledge , memory and forgetfulness . So if an astrologer aspires to be succeeful and helpful to his/her clients some sadhana is advised as well as being careful to keep the consciousness Satvic which is pleasing to Krishna . I have mentioned before that in Bhagavad Gita Krsna allowed Arjuna saw the whole battle of Kuruksetra before it happened but he did not see the death of his son Abhimanya because if he had he would have been able to prevent it .So astrolgers may also be limited in seeing the future . Kind regards Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2002 Report Share Posted October 9, 2002 Dear Nicholas, May I make an observation here please, >>>>>>>> . My reply would be that there is a lot in a chart ,just as their is a lot to a person and their lives .So looking at a chart one astrologer will see something and another astrologer will see something else .There is the individuality of the astrologer also .There are a lot of techniques out there and some jyotishis prefer some and some prefer others .And some are good with some and good with others . There are different perspectives of different astrologers to also like the famous half full half empty example .>>>>> You rightly said. No two astrologers expresss the same opinion on a particular issue as no two watches are showing the same time. It may be due to their schools of thought and their individual perceptions and application of astrological principles. I feel one more factor, the dasha which the astrologer enjoys will also play its part. If he enjoys a favourable dasha he is able to study the horoscope in front of him with a clear mind and dispassionately else he fails miserably. >>>>>>>> Ultimately it is up to Krsna what the astrologer can see or cannot see because in Bhagavad Gita Krsna says that from him comes knowledge , memory and forgetfulness . So if an astrologer aspires to be succeeful and helpful to his/her clients some sadhana is advised as well as being careful to keep the consciousness Satvic which is pleasing to Krishna . I have mentioned before that in Bhagavad Gita Krsna allowed Arjuna saw the whole battle of Kuruksetra before it happened but he did not see the death of his son Abhimanya because if he had he would have been able to prevent it .So astrolgers may also be limited in seeing the future.>>>>>>>>> This is an excellant observation. All astrologers have their own limitations. In certain horoscopes, their areas of predictions are restricted to some extent by invisible forces in operation. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2002 Report Share Posted October 9, 2002 Dear Ravindramani Thanks for your input .Good points Best wishes Nicholas - "ravindramani" <ravindramani <gjlist> Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:27 PM Re: [GJ] Help needed: Ketu Mahadasha - Visti > Dear Nicholas, > > May I make an observation here please, > > >>>>>>>> . My reply would be that there is a lot in a chart ,just as > their is a lot to a person and their lives .So looking at a chart one > astrologer will see something and another astrologer will see > something else .There is the individuality of the astrologer > also .There are a lot of techniques out there and some jyotishis > prefer some and some prefer others .And some are good with some and > good with others . There are different perspectives of different > astrologers to also like the famous half full half empty > example .>>>>> > > You rightly said. No two astrologers expresss the same opinion on a > particular issue as no two watches are showing the same time. It may > be due to their schools of thought and their individual perceptions > and application of astrological principles. I feel one more factor, > the dasha which the astrologer enjoys will also play its part. If he > enjoys a favourable dasha he is able to study the horoscope in front > of him with a clear mind and dispassionately else he fails miserably. > > > >>>>>>>> Ultimately it is up to Krsna what the astrologer can see or > cannot see because in Bhagavad Gita Krsna says that from him comes > knowledge , memory and forgetfulness . So if an astrologer aspires to > be succeeful and helpful to his/her clients some sadhana is advised > as well as being careful to keep the consciousness Satvic which is > pleasing to Krishna . I have mentioned before that in Bhagavad Gita > Krsna allowed Arjuna saw the whole battle of Kuruksetra before it > happened but he did not see the death of his son Abhimanya because if > he had he would have been able to prevent it .So astrolgers may also > be limited in seeing the future.>>>>>>>>> > > This is an excellant observation. All astrologers have their own > limitations. In certain horoscopes, their areas of predictions are > restricted to some extent by invisible forces in operation. > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2002 Report Share Posted October 9, 2002 Dear Nicholas, Nice written- I really enjoyed it: "Ultimately it is up to Krsna what the astrologer can see or cannot see because in Bhagavad Gita Krsna says that from him comes knowledge , memory and forgetfulness . So if an astrologer aspires to be succeeful and helpful to his/her clients some sadhana is advised as well as being careful to keep the consciousness Satvic which is pleasing to Krishna . I have mentioned before that in Bhagavad Gita Krsna allowed Arjuna saw the whole battle of Kuruksetra before it happened but he did not see the death of his son Abhimanya because if he had he would have been able to prevent it .So astrolgers may also be limited in seeing the future ." Best wishes Paramjyoti dasa Nicholas [jyotish108] Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:09 PM gjlist Re: [GJ] Help needed: Ketu Mahadasha - Visti Dear Jay > > You wrote: <"astrologer directs the client towards the potentialities "> > Me: Indeed this is the major target for a serious astrologer but how > would you explain that one astrologer will advice his client due to some > specific indications in a chart HE produced, while another will see no issue > there due to the use of a different ayanamsa (or any other disputable > factor) which will place planet(s) in a different house/sign/Nakshatra etc. > etc. ... ? > > Kind regards > Jay This is probably another long discussion subject but it is an excellent query and good to keep in mind how jyotish fits into the overall scheme of things . .. My reply would be that there is a lot in a chart ,just as their is a lot to a person and their lives .So looking at a chart one astrologer will see something and another astrologer will see something else .There is the individuality of the astrologer also .There are a lot of techniques out there and some jyotishis prefer some and some prefer others .And some are good with some and good with others . There are different perspectives of different astrologers to also like the famous half full half empty example . Occasionally my own chart comes up for discussion and I am often surprised (although I shouldn't be ! ) that someone comes up with something that I'd never seen or noticed before . The understanding of a chart tends to grow over time .Another point here is that the astrologer himself is subject to karma ,dashas and transits and may have better and weaker days and periods . Ultimately it is up to Krsna what the astrologer can see or cannot see because in Bhagavad Gita Krsna says that from him comes knowledge , memory and forgetfulness . So if an astrologer aspires to be succeeful and helpful to his/her clients some sadhana is advised as well as being careful to keep the consciousness Satvic which is pleasing to Krishna . I have mentioned before that in Bhagavad Gita Krsna allowed Arjuna saw the whole battle of Kuruksetra before it happened but he did not see the death of his son Abhimanya because if he had he would have been able to prevent it .So astrolgers may also be limited in seeing the future . Kind regards Nicholas Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2002 Report Share Posted October 10, 2002 "Krsna allowed Arjuna saw the whole battle of Kuruksetra before it happened but he did not see the death of his son Abhimanya because if he had he would have been able to prevent it. So astrolgers may also be limited in seeing the future." does this mean that we all (incl. astrologers) see only what we want to see and somehow subconsciously maybe, ignore the obvious? that is indeed fearsome. and not very encouraging. idg. gjlist, "Piotr Tomiak" <param@p...> wrote: > Dear Nicholas, > > Nice written- I really enjoyed it: > > "Ultimately it is up to Krsna what the astrologer can see or cannot see > because in Bhagavad Gita Krsna says that from him comes knowledge , memory > and forgetfulness . So if an astrologer aspires to be succeeful and helpful > to his/her clients some sadhana is advised as well as being careful to keep > the consciousness Satvic which is pleasing to Krishna . I have mentioned > before that in Bhagavad Gita Krsna allowed Arjuna saw the whole battle of > Kuruksetra before it happened but he did not see the death of his son > Abhimanya because if he had he would have been able to prevent it .So > astrolgers may also be limited in seeing the future ." > > Best wishes > Paramjyoti dasa > > > Nicholas [jyotish108@h...] > Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:09 PM > gjlist > Re: [GJ] Help needed: Ketu Mahadasha - Visti > > > Dear Jay > > > > You wrote: <"astrologer directs the client towards the potentialities "> > > Me: Indeed this is the major target for a serious astrologer but how > > would you explain that one astrologer will advice his client due to some > > specific indications in a chart HE produced, while another will see no > issue > > there due to the use of a different ayanamsa (or any other disputable > > factor) which will place planet(s) in a different house/sign/Nakshatra > etc. > > etc. ... ? > > > > Kind regards > > Jay > > This is probably another long discussion subject but it is an excellent > query and good to keep in mind how jyotish fits into the overall scheme of > things . > > . My reply would be that there is a lot in a chart ,just as their is a lot > to a person and their lives .So looking at a chart one astrologer will see > something and another astrologer will see something else .There is the > individuality of the astrologer also .There are a lot of techniques out > there and some jyotishis prefer some and some prefer others .And some are > good with some and good with others . There are different perspectives of > different astrologers to also like the famous half full half empty example . > Occasionally my own chart comes up for discussion and I am often surprised > (although I shouldn't be ! ) that someone comes up with something that I'd > never seen or noticed before . The understanding of a chart tends to grow > over time .Another point here is that the astrologer himself is subject to > karma ,dashas and transits and may have better and weaker days and periods . > > Ultimately it is up to Krsna what the astrologer can see or cannot see > because in Bhagavad Gita Krsna says that from him comes knowledge , memory > and forgetfulness . So if an astrologer aspires to be succeeful and helpful > to his/her clients some sadhana is advised as well as being careful to keep > the consciousness Satvic which is pleasing to Krishna . I have mentioned > before that in Bhagavad Gita Krsna allowed Arjuna saw the whole battle of > Kuruksetra before it happened but he did not see the death of his son > Abhimanya because if he had he would have been able to prevent it .So > astrolgers may also be limited in seeing the future . > > Kind regards > Nicholas > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist-@e... > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2002 Report Share Posted October 10, 2002 Dear Idasgupta > "Krsna allowed Arjuna saw the whole battle of Kuruksetra before it > happened but he did not see the death of his son Abhimanyu because if > he had he would have been able to prevent it. So astrolgers may also > be limited in seeing the future." > > > does this mean that we all (incl. astrologers) see only what we want > to see and somehow subconsciously maybe, ignore the obvious? > > that is indeed fearsome. and not very encouraging. > > idg. > What I meant here is that the astrologer can only reveal the client's future to the extent that Krishna allows the client to be able to know his/her future . In other words if there are some things that Krishna does not want someone to know then the astrologer or anyone else can not reveal them . This ties in with the statement in Bhagavad Gita that from Krishna comes knowledge ,memory and forgetfulness . There is no discouragement because jyotish is a divine science given by the divine to help people understand their life and circumstances . Hope this helps Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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