left over thoughts ~ questions ~

October 7, 2002

If anyone is interested in replying to this .. I would appreciate it ..

especially regarding this lack of interest in me ... where can this be seen

in my chart.

I would think that Aquarius 3rd gives you a somewhat authoritative presence. A

lack of friends would naturally cause you to find ways of being self-sufficient

as much as possible. These factors could preclude getting special attention

even when you want more interaction.

I asked my father when I was in 11 th grade, "How does a person become a leader

of a group? I would love to be a leader but I don't know how people do that!"

He told me, "If you want to be a leader, you must find out what the group

wants, and then provide it to them." This seems to be true in many respects.

As the provider of a home for your children, you are their leader. To the extent

you provide a home in their hearts as well as in their material surroundings,

you will be their beloved leader, Chandra.

As one who has much experience in riding the roughest waves, you have grown in

grace, Chandra, and have the ability to provide leadership for others who have

not developed any defenses against the storms that will blow their way. You

can teach others, Chandra, what you've learned, and your teaching will go on

like an overflowing spring. You may offer your gift that is needed by us all,

without expectation of any return nor even any friendship, and your gift will

produce far more in you and in the world than you could imagine. The ability

of a little bird to sing is its own reward, not expecting us to have our hearts

lifted, but it happens that way, and we set out seeds and fruits so we may hear

more.

Love to you,

Carol

October 7, 2002

Dear Friends ~

Most times when I write to the glist, I get no response at all. For

instance ... yesterday I welcomed two newcomers to the list ... I shared

deep and personal thoughts and practices that I employ to help me cope and

evolve in this life-time; I make a point of being honest and specific when

I write, yet even so, I rarely ... if ever ... illicit any discussion or

feedback ... or ... for that matter .. even a kind word from this

list. It makes me wonder why. Why does one person receive nothing back

(ie: me) yet another (ie: Das) receive kudo's for anything and everything

he says or does? Could it be due to a curse in my chart? Do my ideas and

commentary come across as being too Aquarian? I have Moon & Mercury in 3rd

house Aquarius) or completely irrelevant ... or what exactly?

*Note: If it sounds like I'm whining ... please understand .. I'm not ..

I'm happy to accept my fate, just curious about the astrological reasons

for my deep isolation and lack of support; and not just on the list -

over-all in my life. (I have Saturn in 11th house Libra) which would

separate me from having friends.

I am in Ketu Mahadasha and the nodes do play a huge roll in my life. I am

a very unorthodox person. I have Rahu at 10 degrees in Sagittarius

ascendent. My twin boys also have Rahu in their Cancer ascendent. Also all

three of us have type 0 negative blood ... which I have always sensed has

something to do with Rahu ... (can anyone comment on this?)

If anyone is interested in replying to this .. I would appreciate it ..

especially regarding this lack of interest in me ... where can this be seen

in my chart. At times, we need more support than at other times and I need

support at this deep grieving of the death of my son and many many other

losses since Ketu Mahadasha started in 1998.

From age 12 ... I was separated from my family .. due to my Saturn

Mahadasha .. and the next 19 years of life were very wild and difficult.

My birth data is:

January 27, 1955

Victoria, British Columbia Canada

06:32 am

TZ: 08:00

Thank you advance for any and all insights ~ I am truly not afraid to know

and it took courage for me to write this letter and bare all. I hope you

will appreciate that ESPECIALLY if I get no replies at all.

Sincerely ~

Chandra Devi

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If my understanding is correct, your lagna is Saggitarius with Rahu

in Sg and Ketu in Gemini. Since rahu & ketu are in kendras, this is a

big raja yoga - malefics debilitated in kendras give raja yoga.

So, how is the ketu desa so far - materially?

-Siva.

gjlist, Chandra Devi <wraye@n...> wrote:

> Dear Friends ~

>

> Most times when I write to the glist, I get no response at all. For

> instance ... yesterday I welcomed two newcomers to the list ... I

shared

> deep and personal thoughts and practices that I employ to help me

cope and

> evolve in this life-time; I make a point of being honest and

specific when

> I write, yet even so, I rarely ... if ever ... illicit any

discussion or

> feedback ... or ... for that matter .. even a kind word from this

> list. It makes me wonder why. Why does one person receive nothing

back

> (ie: me) yet another (ie: Das) receive kudo's for anything and

everything

> he says or does? Could it be due to a curse in my chart? Do my

ideas and

> commentary come across as being too Aquarian? I have Moon &

Mercury in 3rd

> house Aquarius) or completely irrelevant ... or what exactly?

>

> *Note: If it sounds like I'm whining ... please understand .. I'm

not ..

> I'm happy to accept my fate, just curious about the astrological

reasons

> for my deep isolation and lack of support; and not just on the

list -

> over-all in my life. (I have Saturn in 11th house Libra) which

would

> separate me from having friends.

>

> I am in Ketu Mahadasha and the nodes do play a huge roll in my

life. I am

> a very unorthodox person. I have Rahu at 10 degrees in Sagittarius

> ascendent. My twin boys also have Rahu in their Cancer ascendent.

Also all

> three of us have type 0 negative blood ... which I have always

sensed has

> something to do with Rahu ... (can anyone comment on this?)

>

> If anyone is interested in replying to this .. I would appreciate

it ..

> especially regarding this lack of interest in me ... where can this

be seen

> in my chart. At times, we need more support than at other times

and I need

> support at this deep grieving of the death of my son and many many

other

> losses since Ketu Mahadasha started in 1998.

>

> From age 12 ... I was separated from my family .. due to my

Saturn

> Mahadasha .. and the next 19 years of life were very wild and

difficult.

>

> My birth data is:

>

> January 27, 1955

> Victoria, British Columbia Canada

> 06:32 am

> TZ: 08:00

>

> Thank you advance for any and all insights ~ I am truly not afraid

to know

> and it took courage for me to write this letter and bare all. I

hope you

> will appreciate that ESPECIALLY if I get no replies at all.

>

> Sincerely ~

> Chandra Devi

> ~

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Aum Namah Shivaya

Dear Chandra devi,

Thanks for welcoming me. I would have replied. It's just that I was

staying away from posting as much as possible, these 9 days of the

navaratri period. Generally I do this during certain times of the

year, focusing more on sadhana. Sorry for not being prompt in

replying. I will be more active after the 15th. I appreciate you

welcoming me. I might look into your chart after the 15th and give my

observations. Before that just one observation. I don't think that it

works that simply- Rahu being linked with your 'O' negative blood

group.

I will try to write sooner though. Any other member who has written

personally to my mail id also may kindly excuse me during these few

days for any delay in replying.

Regards,

Satya

gjlist, Chandra Devi <wraye@n...> wrote:

> Dear Friends ~

>

> Most times when I write to the glist, I get no response at all. For

> instance ... yesterday I welcomed two newcomers to the list ... I

shared

> deep and personal thoughts and practices that I employ to help me

cope and

> evolve in this life-time; I make a point of being honest and

specific when

> I write, yet even so, I rarely ... if ever ... illicit any

discussion or

> feedback ... or ... for that matter .. even a kind word from this

> list. It makes me wonder why. Why does one person receive nothing

back

> (ie: me) yet another (ie: Das) receive kudo's for anything and

everything

> he says or does? Could it be due to a curse in my chart? Do my

ideas and

> commentary come across as being too Aquarian? I have Moon &

Mercury in 3rd

> house Aquarius) or completely irrelevant ... or what exactly?

>

> *Note: If it sounds like I'm whining ... please understand .. I'm

not ..

> I'm happy to accept my fate, just curious about the astrological

reasons

> for my deep isolation and lack of support; and not just on the

list -

> over-all in my life. (I have Saturn in 11th house Libra) which

would

> separate me from having friends.

>

> I am in Ketu Mahadasha and the nodes do play a huge roll in my

life. I am

> a very unorthodox person. I have Rahu at 10 degrees in Sagittarius

> ascendent. My twin boys also have Rahu in their Cancer ascendent.

Also all

> three of us have type 0 negative blood ... which I have always

sensed has

> something to do with Rahu ... (can anyone comment on this?)

>

> If anyone is interested in replying to this .. I would appreciate

it ..

> especially regarding this lack of interest in me ... where can this

be seen

> in my chart. At times, we need more support than at other times

and I need

> support at this deep grieving of the death of my son and many many

other

> losses since Ketu Mahadasha started in 1998.

>

> From age 12 ... I was separated from my family .. due to my

Saturn

> Mahadasha .. and the next 19 years of life were very wild and

difficult.

>

> My birth data is:

>

> January 27, 1955

> Victoria, British Columbia Canada

> 06:32 am

> TZ: 08:00

>

> Thank you advance for any and all insights ~ I am truly not afraid

to know

> and it took courage for me to write this letter and bare all. I

hope you

> will appreciate that ESPECIALLY if I get no replies at all.

>

> Sincerely ~

> Chandra Devi

> ~

>

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On 10/7/02 at 8:32 PM Chandra Devi wrote:

>Dear Friends ~

>

>Most times when I write to the glist, I get no response at all. For

>instance ... yesterday I welcomed two newcomers to the list ... I shared

>deep and personal thoughts and practices that I employ to help me cope and

>evolve in this life-time; I make a point of being honest and specific when

>I write, yet even so, I rarely ... if ever ... illicit any discussion or

>feedback ... or ... for that matter .. even a kind word from this

>list. It makes me wonder why. Why does one person receive nothing back

>(ie: me) yet another (ie: Das) receive kudo's for anything and everything

>he says or does?

Dear Chandra,

Let me apologise for myself and the other Newbies to Jyotish. I am afraid we

are all too busy trying to absorb as much as possible in a short a time as

possible.

Thus we lurk in the background hoping that when we do post, that we don't

stick both of our feet up to our knees into our mouth.

Believe me we appreciate your, and your colleagues' postings very much.

Namaste'

John Melka

Strange but stupid:

"One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero,

they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs"

(Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?)

John F (Jack) Melka

October 7, 2002

Dear Chandra

I am so sorry to hear about the hardships in your

life. May God give you the strength to deal with your

pain over loss of your child.

I would recommend learning Vipassana Meditation. They

have free meditation camps regularily in US and other

places.

More info is on

http://www.dhamma.org

I know many many people who have found happiness and

peace with this form of meditation.

Best Wishes,

Neha

--- Chandra Devi <wraye wrote:

> Dear Friends ~

>

> Most times when I write to the glist, I get no

> response at all. For

> instance ... yesterday I welcomed two newcomers to

> the list ... I shared

> deep and personal thoughts and practices that I

> employ to help me cope and

> evolve in this life-time; I make a point of being

> honest and specific when

> I write, yet even so, I rarely ... if ever ...

> illicit any discussion or

> feedback ... or ... for that matter .. even a kind

> word from this

> list. It makes me wonder why. Why does one person

> receive nothing back

> (ie: me) yet another (ie: Das) receive kudo's for

> anything and everything

> he says or does? Could it be due to a curse in my

> chart? Do my ideas and

> commentary come across as being too Aquarian? I

> have Moon & Mercury in 3rd

> house Aquarius) or completely irrelevant ... or

> what exactly?

>

> *Note: If it sounds like I'm whining ... please

> understand .. I'm not ..

> I'm happy to accept my fate, just curious about the

> astrological reasons

> for my deep isolation and lack of support; and not

> just on the list -

> over-all in my life. (I have Saturn in 11th house

> Libra) which would

> separate me from having friends.

>

> I am in Ketu Mahadasha and the nodes do play a huge

> roll in my life. I am

> a very unorthodox person. I have Rahu at 10 degrees

> in Sagittarius

> ascendent. My twin boys also have Rahu in their

> Cancer ascendent. Also all

> three of us have type 0 negative blood ... which I

> have always sensed has

> something to do with Rahu ... (can anyone comment on

> this?)

>

> If anyone is interested in replying to this .. I

> would appreciate it ..

> especially regarding this lack of interest in me ...

> where can this be seen

> in my chart. At times, we need more support than at

> other times and I need

> support at this deep grieving of the death of my son

> and many many other

> losses since Ketu Mahadasha started in 1998.

>

> From age 12 ... I was separated from my family ..

> due to my Saturn

> Mahadasha .. and the next 19 years of life were very

> wild and difficult.

>

> My birth data is:

>

> January 27, 1955

> Victoria, British Columbia Canada

> 06:32 am

> TZ: 08:00

>

> Thank you advance for any and all insights ~ I am

> truly not afraid to know

> and it took courage for me to write this letter and

> bare all. I hope you

> will appreciate that ESPECIALLY if I get no replies

> at all.

>

> Sincerely ~

> Chandra Devi

> ~

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat

> Sat

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Dear Chandra

I for one always notice your postings they have always stood out .I admired

your defence of Sateesh also since many people had spoken against him and

superficially it seemed like he was being rude .Having third Lord exalted

would be good for courage .I was thinking on your chart having Moon and

Mercury in the third would with the third lord exalted would make you a good

creative writer .

Your first Lord which is the foundation of the chart is exalted but placed

in the 8th and right at the beginning of the sign .This overall suggests

that progress in life comes slowly although it's aspect by the 9th Lord is

good for the overall dharmicness of the chart ..I don't think that Saturn's

placement in the 11th is so much a problem in terms of friendship as having

the 11th Lord in the 12th . I have seen in cases like this that

circumstances constantly cause a person to move away from their friends or

they make friends with foreigners .

Your rising nakshatra is Purvashada which makes you unconquerable :-) and is

often associated with the water (which gave me a big grin thinking of you

being born in Victoria Canada ) .Mars placed in Pisces tends to take away

the more agressive side of Mars .These types of souls are more inclined to

fight with philosophers than in the boxing ring ! Since Mars is 5th Lord

this may also lead to vacillating thinking a wavering between different

courses of action ( not assisted either by having Moon and Mercury in the

third ).

It is curious that many people wanting some help often go unassisted yet

when there is some controvery suddenly the mail box is jammed with posts .

Why I say that is that most people who get into the study of jyotish do so

with the idea of helping people understand their lives as well as trying to

make sense of their own lives .It seems maya can sidetrack even the well

intentioned .

Tell us how you got the name Candra Devi .

Kind regards

Nicholas

> Dear Friends ~

>

> Most times when I write to the glist, I get no response at all. For

> instance ... yesterday I welcomed two newcomers to the list ... I shared

> deep and personal thoughts and practices that I employ to help me cope and

> evolve in this life-time; I make a point of being honest and specific when

> I write, yet even so, I rarely ... if ever ... illicit any discussion or

> feedback ... or ... for that matter .. even a kind word from this

> list. It makes me wonder why. Why does one person receive nothing back

> (ie: me) yet another (ie: Das) receive kudo's for anything and everything

> he says or does? Could it be due to a curse in my chart? Do my ideas and

> commentary come across as being too Aquarian? I have Moon & Mercury in

3rd

> house Aquarius) or completely irrelevant ... or what exactly?

>

> *Note: If it sounds like I'm whining ... please understand .. I'm not ..

> I'm happy to accept my fate, just curious about the astrological reasons

> for my deep isolation and lack of support; and not just on the list -

> over-all in my life. (I have Saturn in 11th house Libra) which would

> separate me from having friends.

>

> I am in Ketu Mahadasha and the nodes do play a huge roll in my life. I am

> a very unorthodox person. I have Rahu at 10 degrees in Sagittarius

> ascendent. My twin boys also have Rahu in their Cancer ascendent. Also

all

> three of us have type 0 negative blood ... which I have always sensed has

> something to do with Rahu ... (can anyone comment on this?)

>

> If anyone is interested in replying to this .. I would appreciate it ..

> especially regarding this lack of interest in me ... where can this be

seen

> in my chart. At times, we need more support than at other times and I

need

> support at this deep grieving of the death of my son and many many other

> losses since Ketu Mahadasha started in 1998.

>

> From age 12 ... I was separated from my family .. due to my Saturn

> Mahadasha .. and the next 19 years of life were very wild and difficult.

>

> My birth data is:

>

> January 27, 1955

> Victoria, British Columbia Canada

> 06:32 am

> TZ: 08:00

>

> Thank you advance for any and all insights ~ I am truly not afraid to

know

> and it took courage for me to write this letter and bare all. I hope you

> will appreciate that ESPECIALLY if I get no replies at all.

>

> Sincerely ~

> Chandra Devi

> ~

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

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Dear Carol, Nicholas, John, Satya, Neha, Siva & Das ~

Thank you each and everyone for replying to my letter.

I appreciate your feedback and your time and effort. It means a great deal

to me.

Nicholas ... The name Chandra Devi was given to me by my guruji in 1996. My

birth name is Nomeca Wraye (pronounced Nomika) and if you care to, you may

learn more about me by visiting my web-site: www.tarotcounsel.com

Siva .... you asked how Ketu mahadasha has been for me materially ... Ketu

has been about transformation of the deepest kind. My husband and I have

separated yet I still draw a regular pay cheque from our family business,

and we are still friends. Everyone left home during Ketu mahadasha, so I

have been experiencing empty nest syndrome, which is difficult for any

mother but made much more complex by the death of my son. When a mother's

children leave home, she is confronted with an entirely new stage of

life. I just wait and watch. I know that the decision will be made in its

own time, so I let go of when, where and how. I often think I'm a woman

with no future.

Nicholas, you wrote:

>I don't think that Saturn's

>placement in the 11th is so much a problem in terms of friendship as having

>the 11th Lord in the 12th . I have seen in cases like this that

>circumstances constantly cause a person to move away from their friends or

>they make friends with foreigners .

You are so correct. I do step back from friends and I do make friends with

foreigners. I'm not interested in socializing unless it is very unique and

special. I've been married twice and both times it's been to foreign men.

Carol ~ You touch my heart. Thank you for replying to me in your

beautiful way. You are so wise and so true ... a real gem. I will read

your letter again and again.

Well ... again .. thank you each and everyone.

God Bless you ~

Chandra

~

At 10:00 PM 10/7/02, you wrote:

>Dear Chandra

>I for one always notice your postings they have always stood out .I admired

>your defence of Sateesh also since many people had spoken against him and

>superficially it seemed like he was being rude .Having third Lord exalted

>would be good for courage .I was thinking on your chart having Moon and

>Mercury in the third would with the third lord exalted would make you a good

>creative writer .

>

>Your first Lord which is the foundation of the chart is exalted but placed

>in the 8th and right at the beginning of the sign .This overall suggests

>that progress in life comes slowly although it's aspect by the 9th Lord is

>good for the overall dharmicness of the chart ..I don't think that Saturn's

>placement in the 11th is so much a problem in terms of friendship as having

>the 11th Lord in the 12th . I have seen in cases like this that

>circumstances constantly cause a person to move away from their friends or

>they make friends with foreigners .

>

>Your rising nakshatra is Purvashada which makes you unconquerable :-) and is

>often associated with the water (which gave me a big grin thinking of you

>being born in Victoria Canada ) .Mars placed in Pisces tends to take away

>the more agressive side of Mars .These types of souls are more inclined to

>fight with philosophers than in the boxing ring ! Since Mars is 5th Lord

>this may also lead to vacillating thinking a wavering between different

>courses of action ( not assisted either by having Moon and Mercury in the

>third ).

>

>It is curious that many people wanting some help often go unassisted yet

>when there is some controvery suddenly the mail box is jammed with posts .

>Why I say that is that most people who get into the study of jyotish do so

>with the idea of helping people understand their lives as well as trying to

>make sense of their own lives .It seems maya can sidetrack even the well

>intentioned .

>

>Tell us how you got the name Candra Devi .

>

>Kind regards

>Nicholas

>

> > Dear Friends ~

> >

> > Most times when I write to the glist, I get no response at all. For

> > instance ... yesterday I welcomed two newcomers to the list ... I shared

> > deep and personal thoughts and practices that I employ to help me cope and

> > evolve in this life-time; I make a point of being honest and specific when

> > I write, yet even so, I rarely ... if ever ... illicit any discussion or

> > feedback ... or ... for that matter .. even a kind word from this

> > list. It makes me wonder why. Why does one person receive nothing back

> > (ie: me) yet another (ie: Das) receive kudo's for anything and everything

> > he says or does? Could it be due to a curse in my chart? Do my ideas and

> > commentary come across as being too Aquarian? I have Moon & Mercury in

>3rd

> > house Aquarius) or completely irrelevant ... or what exactly?

> >

> > *Note: If it sounds like I'm whining ... please understand .. I'm not ..

> > I'm happy to accept my fate, just curious about the astrological reasons

> > for my deep isolation and lack of support; and not just on the list -

> > over-all in my life. (I have Saturn in 11th house Libra) which would

> > separate me from having friends.

> >

> > I am in Ketu Mahadasha and the nodes do play a huge roll in my life. I am

> > a very unorthodox person. I have Rahu at 10 degrees in Sagittarius

> > ascendent. My twin boys also have Rahu in their Cancer ascendent. Also

>all

> > three of us have type 0 negative blood ... which I have always sensed has

> > something to do with Rahu ... (can anyone comment on this?)

> >

> > If anyone is interested in replying to this .. I would appreciate it ..

> > especially regarding this lack of interest in me ... where can this be

>seen

> > in my chart. At times, we need more support than at other times and I

>need

> > support at this deep grieving of the death of my son and many many other

> > losses since Ketu Mahadasha started in 1998.

> >

> > From age 12 ... I was separated from my family .. due to my Saturn

> > Mahadasha .. and the next 19 years of life were very wild and difficult.

> >

> > My birth data is:

> >

> > January 27, 1955

> > Victoria, British Columbia Canada

> > 06:32 am

> > TZ: 08:00

> >

> > Thank you advance for any and all insights ~ I am truly not afraid to

>know

> > and it took courage for me to write this letter and bare all. I hope you

> > will appreciate that ESPECIALLY if I get no replies at all.

> >

> > Sincerely ~

> > Chandra Devi

> > ~

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

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Dear Chandra,

Sorry for not answering.

The lack of time was the main factor...combined with my thinking that other

list members (who knows you better) will answer you much more nicer. See.. I

am new here on the list- therefore it is natural that now I am mainly

watching what is going on here- what is the mood of the list and mood of

different members including you...

I hope you will excuse. I wish you all the best in your life.

Regards

Paramjyoti dasa

Chandra Devi [wraye]

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:33 AM

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