Guest guest Posted October 6, 2002 Report Share Posted October 6, 2002 Dear List Members Here is a case study of the impact of nodal aspects . The girl died during Moon Mahadasha at the age of 12 years after an asthma attack . Note that for a Taurus native the Moon rules the third house and so is concerned with lungs and breathing . The Moon is well placed and not afflicted other than the exact aspect(within 5 minutes) of Rahu . Rahu rules sudden and mysterious illnesses . Das makes a good point that if we consider nodal aspects we might see the nodes influencing 6 houses or half the chart . The clue here is to check the closeness of the aspects of the nodes . If the orb of the aspect is wide I do not consider it . Kind regards Nicholas Asthma Death Dec 15,1984 Time: 4:11PM Zone: 5:00 DST: 0 Longitude: 77W04 Latitude: 38N55 Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:39 365.25 Day Year Current Period: Ma/Ve/Ve As 22:42 Ta Rohini Mo Su 00:28 Sg Mula Ke Mo 03:35 Vi U.Phalguni Su Ma 29:11 Cp Dhanishtha Ma MeR 27:23 Sc Jyeshtha Me Ju 24:08 Sg P.Shadya Ve Ve 14:15 Cp Shravana Mo Sa 29:25 Li Vishakha Ju Ra 03:30 Ta Krittika Su Ke 03:30 Sc Anuradha Sa ======================== Su/Sa Dec 15,1984 Su/Me Aug 24,1985 Su/Ke Jun 30,1986 Su/Ve Nov 5,1986 Mo/Mo Nov 6,1987 Mo/Ma Sep 5,1988 Mo/Ra Apr 6,1989 Mo/Ju Oct 6,1990 Mo/Sa Feb 5,1992 Mo/Me Sep 5,1993 Mo/Ke Feb 5,1995 Mo/Ve Sep 6,1995 Mo/Su May 6,1997 Asthma Death Dec 15,1984 Time: 4:11PM Zone: 5:00 DST: 0 Longitude: 77W04 Latitude: 38N55 Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:39 365.25 Day Year Current Period: Ma/Ve/Ve As 22:42 Ta Rohini Mo Su 00:28 Sg Mula Ke Mo 03:35 Vi U.Phalguni Su Ma 29:11 Cp Dhanishtha Ma MeR 27:23 Sc Jyeshtha Me Ju 24:08 Sg P.Shadya Ve Ve 14:15 Cp Shravana Mo Sa 29:25 Li Vishakha Ju Ra 03:30 Ta Krittika Su Ke 03:30 Sc Anuradha Sa Vimshottari Dashas ================== Su Dec-15-1984 Mo Nov-06-1987 Ma Nov-05-1997 Ra Nov-05-2004 Ju Nov-05-2022 Sa Nov-05-2038 Me Nov-05-2057 Ke Nov-05-2074 Ve Nov-05-2081 Rashi Chart ********************************************************* * * *RA 03:30 * * * * *AS 22:42 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *************** *************** *VE 14:15 * * * *MA 29:11 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* *SU 00:28 *KE 03:30 *SA 29:25 *MO 03:35 * *JU 24:08 *MER27:23 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* Navamsa Chart ********************************************************* * MER * SU * VE * SA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * MO * * AS * * RA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *************** *************** * * * KE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * * JU * * MA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* System's Approach Analysis ========================== Sun: Bad Placement, in infancy 90%, weak dispositor, Conjunct functional benefic(s): Me 0%, Moon: Good Placement, in infancy 28%, weak dispositor, Bright, Aspected by functional malefic(s): Ma 0%, Ra 98%, Mars: Good Placement, in oldage 83%, Mercury: Good Placement, Combust, Debilated in Navamsa, in oldage 47%, Conjunct house 7 MEP 6% Conjunct functional benefic(s): Su 0%, Jupiter: Bad Placement, own sign, Afflicts house 8 MEP 71% Venus: Good Placement, Saturn: Bad Placement, in oldage 88%, Conjunct functional malefic(s): Ke 0%, Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ======================== Su/Sa Dec 15,1984 Su/Me Aug 24,1985 Su/Ke Jun 30,1986 Su/Ve Nov 5,1986 Mo/Mo Nov 6,1987 Mo/Ma Sep 5,1988 Mo/Ra Apr 6,1989 Mo/Ju Oct 6,1990 Mo/Sa Feb 5,1992 Mo/Me Sep 5,1993 Mo/Ke Feb 5,1995 Mo/Ve Sep 6,1995 Mo/Su May 6,1997 Ma/Ma Nov 5,1997 Ma/Ra Apr 3,1998 Ma/Ju Apr 22,1999 Ma/Sa Mar 28,2000 Ma/Me May 6,2001 Ma/Ke May 4,2002 Ma/Ve Sep 30,2002 Ma/Su Nov 30,2003 Ma/Mo Apr 6,2004 Ra/Ra Nov 5,2004 Ra/Ju Jul 19,2007 Ra/Sa Dec 12,2009 Ra/Me Oct 18,2012 Ra/Ke May 7,2015 Ra/Ve May 24,2016 Ra/Su May 25,2019 Ra/Mo Apr 18,2020 Ra/Ma Oct 18,2021 Ju/Ju Nov 5,2022 Ju/Sa Dec 23,2024 Ju/Me Jul 7,2027 Ju/Ke Oct 12,2029 Ju/Ve Sep 18,2030 Ju/Su May 19,2033 Ju/Mo Mar 7,2034 Ju/Ma Jul 7,2035 Ju/Ra Jun 12,2036 Sa/Sa Nov 5,2038 Sa/Me Nov 8,2041 Sa/Ke Jul 18,2044 Sa/Ve Aug 27,2045 Sa/Su Oct 27,2048 Sa/Mo Oct 9,2049 Sa/Ma May 10,2051 Sa/Ra Jun 18,2052 Sa/Ju Apr 25,2055 Me/Me Nov 5,2057 Me/Ke Apr 3,2060 Me/Ve Mar 31,2061 Me/Su Jan 30,2064 Me/Mo Dec 5,2064 Me/Ma May 7,2066 Me/Ra May 4,2067 Me/Ju Nov 20,2069 Me/Sa Feb 26,2072 Ke/Ke Nov 5,2074 Ke/Ve Apr 3,2075 Ke/Su Jun 3,2076 Ke/Mo Oct 8,2076 Ke/Ma May 9,2077 Ke/Ra Oct 6,2077 Ke/Ju Oct 24,2078 Ke/Sa Sep 30,2079 Ke/Me Nov 8,2080 Ve/Ve Nov 5,2081 Ve/Su Mar 7,2085 Ve/Mo Mar 7,2086 Ve/Ma Nov 6,2087 Ve/Ra Jan 5,2089 Ve/Ju Jan 5,2092 Ve/Sa Sep 5,2094 Ve/Me Nov 5,2097 Ve/Ke Sep 6,2100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2002 Report Share Posted October 6, 2002 Nicholas, According to the information at hand the native was running a MO-SU-SU dasa from 1-10 May '97. As the dasa period (you gave) ends on 6th May I assume this to be the date of death, in which case the sookshmantar was RA. According to the rules of jyotish Asthma (the illness) is associated with both Gemini (Mithuna) and 3rd bhava. This native's lagna and lagnesh both sit in constellation of 3rd lord Moon who is disposited by Gemini's lord, Mercury. On the 6th May '97 transiting sookshmantar lord Rahu was conjunct dasa lord Moon within 1 degree and both were under the aspect of transiting 8th lord Jupiter (fallen in Capricorn), as were natal Rahu and transiting lagnesh Venus. The indications for death/loss of life are stronger still with transiting dasa/bhukti lords conjunct Mercury in 12th house. I, of course, don't attribute any aspects to the nodes and adhere strictly to my teaching that their influence is confined to the house they occupy, the planets they conjoin and their dispositor. In this example given by you Nicholas we do indeed see the influence of Rahu, as you say, but the influence is due to his (transiting) conjunction with Moon rather than his (supposed) natal aspect. Best Wishes, Wendy http://www.ganesh-astro.iinet.net.au - "Nicholas" <jyotish108 <gjlist> Monday, October 07, 2002 12:39 PM [GJ] Nodal aspects A case study > Dear List Members > Here is a case study of the impact of nodal aspects . > The girl died during Moon Mahadasha at the age of 12 years after an asthma > attack . > Note that for a Taurus native the Moon rules the third house and so is > concerned with lungs and breathing . > The Moon is well placed and not afflicted other than the exact aspect(within > 5 minutes) of Rahu . > Rahu rules sudden and mysterious illnesses . > Das makes a good point that if we consider nodal aspects we might see the > nodes influencing 6 houses or half the chart . > The clue here is to check the closeness of the aspects of the nodes . If the > orb of the aspect is wide I do not consider it . > Kind regards > Nicholas > > > > > > Asthma Death > Dec 15,1984 > Time: 4:11PM Zone: 5:00 DST: 0 > > Longitude: 77W04 Latitude: 38N55 > Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:39 365.25 Day Year > Current Period: Ma/Ve/Ve > > As 22:42 Ta Rohini Mo > Su 00:28 Sg Mula Ke > Mo 03:35 Vi U.Phalguni Su > Ma 29:11 Cp Dhanishtha Ma > MeR 27:23 Sc Jyeshtha Me > Ju 24:08 Sg P.Shadya Ve > Ve 14:15 Cp Shravana Mo > Sa 29:25 Li Vishakha Ju > Ra 03:30 Ta Krittika Su > Ke 03:30 Sc Anuradha Sa > > ======================== > Su/Sa Dec 15,1984 > Su/Me Aug 24,1985 > Su/Ke Jun 30,1986 > Su/Ve Nov 5,1986 > Mo/Mo Nov 6,1987 > Mo/Ma Sep 5,1988 > Mo/Ra Apr 6,1989 > Mo/Ju Oct 6,1990 > Mo/Sa Feb 5,1992 > Mo/Me Sep 5,1993 > Mo/Ke Feb 5,1995 > Mo/Ve Sep 6,1995 > Mo/Su May 6,1997 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Dear Wendy Unfortunately I did not right down the exact date of death but it is approximately in the time period you give when Jupiter the 8th Lord was also aspecting the ascendent .Yes you are correct that the transit Rahu was on top of the natal Moon at the time of death but transits are generally considered to only activate natal triggers . So it is because of the exact aspect of Rahu to Moon in the natal chart that the girl was prone to asthma The asthma attack was not one off and so the girl was also getting asthma attacks when transit Rahu was not on top of the 3rd Lord . So the points you make as to why the girl died in this time frame are good but the tendency to asthma can be seen from the exact aspect of Rahu to the Moon the 3rd Lord of the natal chart in the Moon MD . Anyway nice to be talking jyotish again Nicholas - "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas <gjlist> Monday, October 07, 2002 3:47 PM Re: [GJ] Nodal aspects A case study > Nicholas, > > According to the information at hand the native was running a MO-SU-SU dasa > from 1-10 May '97. As the dasa period (you gave) ends on 6th May I assume > this to be the date of death, in which case the sookshmantar was RA. > > According to the rules of jyotish Asthma (the illness) is associated with > both Gemini (Mithuna) and 3rd bhava. This native's lagna and lagnesh both > sit in constellation of 3rd lord Moon who is disposited by Gemini's lord, > Mercury. > > On the 6th May '97 transiting sookshmantar lord Rahu was conjunct dasa lord > Moon within 1 degree and both were under the aspect of transiting 8th lord > Jupiter (fallen in Capricorn), as were natal Rahu and transiting lagnesh > Venus. > > The indications for death/loss of life are stronger still with transiting > dasa/bhukti lords conjunct Mercury in 12th house. > > I, of course, don't attribute any aspects to the nodes and adhere strictly > to my teaching that their influence is confined to the house they occupy, > the planets they conjoin and their dispositor. In this example given by you > Nicholas we do indeed see the influence of Rahu, as you say, but the > influence is due to his (transiting) conjunction with Moon rather than his > (supposed) natal aspect. > > Best Wishes, > Wendy > http://www.ganesh-astro.iinet.net.au > > > - > "Nicholas" <jyotish108 > <gjlist> > Monday, October 07, 2002 12:39 PM > [GJ] Nodal aspects A case study > > > > Dear List Members > > Here is a case study of the impact of nodal aspects . > > The girl died during Moon Mahadasha at the age of 12 years after an asthma > > attack . > > Note that for a Taurus native the Moon rules the third house and so is > > concerned with lungs and breathing . > > The Moon is well placed and not afflicted other than the exact > aspect(within > > 5 minutes) of Rahu . > > Rahu rules sudden and mysterious illnesses . > > Das makes a good point that if we consider nodal aspects we might see the > > nodes influencing 6 houses or half the chart . > > The clue here is to check the closeness of the aspects of the nodes . If > the > > orb of the aspect is wide I do not consider it . > > Kind regards > > Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > > > Asthma Death > > Dec 15,1984 > > Time: 4:11PM Zone: 5:00 DST: 0 > > > > Longitude: 77W04 Latitude: 38N55 > > Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:39 365.25 Day Year > > Current Period: Ma/Ve/Ve > > > > As 22:42 Ta Rohini Mo > > Su 00:28 Sg Mula Ke > > Mo 03:35 Vi U.Phalguni Su > > Ma 29:11 Cp Dhanishtha Ma > > MeR 27:23 Sc Jyeshtha Me > > Ju 24:08 Sg P.Shadya Ve > > Ve 14:15 Cp Shravana Mo > > Sa 29:25 Li Vishakha Ju > > Ra 03:30 Ta Krittika Su > > Ke 03:30 Sc Anuradha Sa > > > > ======================== > > Su/Sa Dec 15,1984 > > Su/Me Aug 24,1985 > > Su/Ke Jun 30,1986 > > Su/Ve Nov 5,1986 > > Mo/Mo Nov 6,1987 > > Mo/Ma Sep 5,1988 > > Mo/Ra Apr 6,1989 > > Mo/Ju Oct 6,1990 > > Mo/Sa Feb 5,1992 > > Mo/Me Sep 5,1993 > > Mo/Ke Feb 5,1995 > > Mo/Ve Sep 6,1995 > > Mo/Su May 6,1997 > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Nicholas, Yes I'm well aware that those who attribute aspects to the nodes will always see that influence (affliction) as being the prime cause, just as others who do not consider such aspects will look for (and find) other contributing factors. This is human nature and not much can be done about it...to each his own, as they say. Certainly Moon conjunct Rahu in 8th navamsha represents a lifetime difficulty in as much as the significations of (3rd lord) Moon are concerned. But the indications that death would occur when it did (rather than just another asthma attack) can be seen, surely, with the transits at the time. I'm sure we agree that 3rd lord Moon is the instigator of the asthma and as mentioned already it's conjunction with Rahu in 8th navamsha should reveal the danger of transiting bhukti lord Rahu's conjunction with dasa lord Moon. An important factor also is Moon's nakshatra lord Sun conjunct 8th lord Jupiter in 8th. It's quite apparent that Moon is under affliction without having to resort to nodal aspects. Note in Ashtamsha Moon/Sun are conjunct in 3rd whilst Jupiter aspects. In Shashtamsha Moon, aspected by Sun, is conjunct the nodes. Of course you're free to use nodal aspects, I don't dispute that...just giving another opinion. Best Wishes, Wendy http://www.ganesh-astro.iinet.net.au - "Nicholas" <jyotish108 <gjlist> Monday, October 07, 2002 4:22 PM Re: [GJ] Nodal aspects A case study > Dear Wendy > Unfortunately I did not right down the exact date of death but it is > approximately in the time period you give when Jupiter the 8th Lord was > also aspecting the ascendent .Yes you are correct that the transit Rahu was > on top of the natal Moon at the time of death but transits are generally > considered to only activate natal triggers . So it is because of the exact > aspect of Rahu to Moon in the natal chart that the girl was prone to asthma > The asthma attack was not one off and so the girl was also getting asthma > attacks when transit Rahu was not on top of the 3rd Lord . So the points you > make as to why the girl died in this time frame are good but the tendency > to asthma can be seen from the exact aspect of Rahu to the Moon the 3rd Lord > of the natal chart in the Moon MD . > Anyway nice to be talking jyotish again > Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Dear Wendy I'll leave it there and leave it to the good judgement of the Parasara Jyotishis whether they think nodal aspects work .Both SA and SJC two prominent schools of the current era accept them .For those interested in further research Adolf Hitler's chart is another interesting case where Mars is closely aspect by Ketu very much magnifying the violence of the chart . Peace ,Good Will and Good Fortune to all Nicholas - "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas <gjlist> Monday, October 07, 2002 7:17 PM Re: [GJ] Nodal aspects A case study > Nicholas, > > Yes I'm well aware that those who attribute aspects to the nodes will always > see that influence (affliction) as being the prime cause, just as others who > do not consider such aspects will look for (and find) other contributing > factors. This is human nature and not much can be done about it...to each > his own, as they say. > > Certainly Moon conjunct Rahu in 8th navamsha represents a lifetime > difficulty in as much as the significations of (3rd lord) Moon are > concerned. But the indications that death would occur when it did (rather > than just another asthma attack) can be seen, surely, with the transits at > the time. > > I'm sure we agree that 3rd lord Moon is the instigator of the asthma and as > mentioned already it's conjunction with Rahu in 8th navamsha should reveal > the danger of transiting bhukti lord Rahu's conjunction with dasa lord Moon. > > An important factor also is Moon's nakshatra lord Sun conjunct 8th lord > Jupiter in 8th. It's quite apparent that Moon is under affliction without > having to resort to nodal aspects. Note in Ashtamsha Moon/Sun are conjunct > in 3rd whilst Jupiter aspects. In Shashtamsha Moon, aspected by Sun, is > conjunct the nodes. > > Of course you're free to use nodal aspects, I don't dispute that...just > giving another opinion. > > Best Wishes, > Wendy > http://www.ganesh-astro.iinet.net.au > > > - > "Nicholas" <jyotish108 > <gjlist> > Monday, October 07, 2002 4:22 PM > Re: [GJ] Nodal aspects A case study > > > > Dear Wendy > > Unfortunately I did not right down the exact date of death but it is > > approximately in the time period you give when Jupiter the 8th Lord was > > also aspecting the ascendent .Yes you are correct that the transit Rahu > was > > on top of the natal Moon at the time of death but transits are generally > > considered to only activate natal triggers . So it is because of the exact > > aspect of Rahu to Moon in the natal chart that the girl was prone to > asthma > > The asthma attack was not one off and so the girl was also getting asthma > > attacks when transit Rahu was not on top of the 3rd Lord . So the points > you > > make as to why the girl died in this time frame are good but the tendency > > to asthma can be seen from the exact aspect of Rahu to the Moon the 3rd > Lord > > of the natal chart in the Moon MD . > > Anyway nice to be talking jyotish again > > Nicholas > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Dear Nicholas, > Unfortunately I did not right down the exact date of death I had cast the chart (at the time when this tragic case was discussed on the list), and kept a note of the date of death: 15th August 1997, Bombay. Regards Maddalena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Dear Maddelena Thanks . I'll write it down this time ! Nicholas - "Maddalena Cecchinato" <mcecc88 <gjlist> Monday, October 07, 2002 8:47 PM Re: [GJ] Nodal aspects A case study > Dear Nicholas, > > > > Unfortunately I did not right down the exact date of death > > I had cast the chart (at the time when this tragic case was discussed on the > list), and kept a note of the date of death: 15th August 1997, Bombay. > > Regards > Maddalena Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Nicholas, I am quite sure about the rahu aspect since dristi means "sight" while Rahu having eyes(head) can of course "see". Ketu being headless cannot see so that is the main question, whether ketu has aspects or not. However, there is one thing certain. Both Parashara and Jaimini advocate Rashi dristi or aspects. In this manner both rahu and ketu can have additional aspects. Whether they have influence or not on the other grahas is undisputable. For example, see Sarpa Yoga.. Ketu in kendra to other malefics(at least 3 kendras should be occupied) will infleunce the Lagna-the principle of Paraspara Karakas (Parashara). So the nodes can influence other grahas in the kundhali either by mutual coworkership (kendra infleunce) or by Sadharmi principle (grahas in trines follow the same dharma or destiny) For example, both Parashara and Jaimini speak highly of Ketu-Shani-Shukra association over Lagna, giving ability for TAPAS. If ketu/shukra and Shani are in trines, they would again give the ability of tapas, notwithstanding the possibility that Ketu would aspect other grahas in trine. So, in Hitler's chart, Ketu would share the same destiny with Mangal, Surya,budha, Shukra, in this way influencing it as sadharmi graha. Hope it throws some light Best wishes Zoran Nicholas wrote: > Dear Wendy > I'll leave it there and leave it to the good judgement of the Parasara > Jyotishis whether they think nodal aspects work .Both SA and SJC two > prominent schools of the current era accept them .For those interested in > further research Adolf Hitler's chart is another interesting case where Mars > is closely aspect by Ketu very much magnifying the violence of the chart . > Peace ,Good Will and Good Fortune to all > Nicholas > > - > "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas > <gjlist> > Monday, October 07, 2002 7:17 PM > Re: [GJ] Nodal aspects A case study > > > Nicholas, > > > > Yes I'm well aware that those who attribute aspects to the nodes will > always > > see that influence (affliction) as being the prime cause, just as others > who > > do not consider such aspects will look for (and find) other contributing > > factors. This is human nature and not much can be done about it...to each > > his own, as they say. > > > > Certainly Moon conjunct Rahu in 8th navamsha represents a lifetime > > difficulty in as much as the significations of (3rd lord) Moon are > > concerned. But the indications that death would occur when it did (rather > > than just another asthma attack) can be seen, surely, with the transits at > > the time. > > > > I'm sure we agree that 3rd lord Moon is the instigator of the asthma and > as > > mentioned already it's conjunction with Rahu in 8th navamsha should reveal > > the danger of transiting bhukti lord Rahu's conjunction with dasa lord > Moon. > > > > An important factor also is Moon's nakshatra lord Sun conjunct 8th lord > > Jupiter in 8th. It's quite apparent that Moon is under affliction without > > having to resort to nodal aspects. Note in Ashtamsha Moon/Sun are conjunct > > in 3rd whilst Jupiter aspects. In Shashtamsha Moon, aspected by Sun, is > > conjunct the nodes. > > > > Of course you're free to use nodal aspects, I don't dispute that...just > > giving another opinion. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Wendy > > http://www.ganesh-astro.iinet.net.au > > > > > > - > > "Nicholas" <jyotish108 > > <gjlist> > > Monday, October 07, 2002 4:22 PM > > Re: [GJ] Nodal aspects A case study > > > > > > > Dear Wendy > > > Unfortunately I did not right down the exact date of death but it is > > > approximately in the time period you give when Jupiter the 8th Lord was > > > also aspecting the ascendent .Yes you are correct that the transit Rahu > > was > > > on top of the natal Moon at the time of death but transits are generally > > > considered to only activate natal triggers . So it is because of the > exact > > > aspect of Rahu to Moon in the natal chart that the girl was prone to > > asthma > > > The asthma attack was not one off and so the girl was also getting > asthma > > > attacks when transit Rahu was not on top of the 3rd Lord . So the points > > you > > > make as to why the girl died in this time frame are good but the > tendency > > > to asthma can be seen from the exact aspect of Rahu to the Moon the 3rd > > Lord > > > of the natal chart in the Moon MD . > > > Anyway nice to be talking jyotish again > > > Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to -- ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath Vedic Centre email: ahimsa web: www.sjvc.co.yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Dear Zoran Yes thanks it does shed further insight on the subject .Pandit Ojha who was an excellent traditional predictive jyotish denied the nodes cast aspects so there is certainly one school of thought that does not use them and can still excell at jyotish .On the other hand J N Bhasin who was also an excellent traditional jyotish made use of them so those who do use nodal aspects should not be accused of using concocted jyotish techniques .Some of these arguments are long standing and may not be sorted out in this generation :-) . Just a word of caution for newcomers is that while rasi dhrstis are valid jyotish techniques B V Raman warns that beginners should not mix the two systems of aspects . Nicholas - "Zoran Radosavljevic" <ahimsa <gjlist> Monday, October 07, 2002 11:38 PM Re: [GJ] Nodal aspects A case study > Om Namo Narayanaya, > Dear Nicholas, > I am quite sure about the rahu aspect since dristi means "sight" while Rahu > having eyes(head) can of course "see". Ketu being headless cannot see so that is > the main question, whether ketu has aspects or not. However, there is one thing > certain. Both Parashara and Jaimini advocate Rashi dristi or aspects. In this > manner both rahu and ketu can have additional aspects. Whether they have > influence or not on the other grahas is undisputable. For example, see Sarpa > Yoga.. Ketu in kendra to other malefics(at least 3 kendras should be occupied) > will infleunce the Lagna-the principle of Paraspara Karakas (Parashara). So the > nodes can influence other grahas in the kundhali either by mutual coworkership > (kendra infleunce) or by Sadharmi principle (grahas in trines follow the same > dharma or destiny) > For example, both Parashara and Jaimini speak highly of Ketu-Shani-Shukra > association over Lagna, giving ability for TAPAS. If ketu/shukra and Shani are > in trines, they would again give the ability of tapas, notwithstanding the > possibility that Ketu would aspect other grahas in trine. So, in Hitler's chart, > Ketu would share the same destiny with Mangal, Surya,budha, Shukra, in this way > influencing it as sadharmi graha. > Hope it throws some light > Best wishes > Zoran > > > Nicholas wrote: > > > Dear Wendy > > I'll leave it there and leave it to the good judgement of the Parasara > > Jyotishis whether they think nodal aspects work .Both SA and SJC two > > prominent schools of the current era accept them .For those interested in > > further research Adolf Hitler's chart is another interesting case where Mars > > is closely aspect by Ketu very much magnifying the violence of the chart .. > > Peace ,Good Will and Good Fortune to all > > Nicholas > > > > - > > "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas > > <gjlist> > > Monday, October 07, 2002 7:17 PM > > Re: [GJ] Nodal aspects A case study > > > > > Nicholas, > > > > > > Yes I'm well aware that those who attribute aspects to the nodes will > > always > > > see that influence (affliction) as being the prime cause, just as others > > who > > > do not consider such aspects will look for (and find) other contributing > > > factors. This is human nature and not much can be done about it...to each > > > his own, as they say. > > > > > > Certainly Moon conjunct Rahu in 8th navamsha represents a lifetime > > > difficulty in as much as the significations of (3rd lord) Moon are > > > concerned. But the indications that death would occur when it did (rather > > > than just another asthma attack) can be seen, surely, with the transits at > > > the time. > > > > > > I'm sure we agree that 3rd lord Moon is the instigator of the asthma and > > as > > > mentioned already it's conjunction with Rahu in 8th navamsha should reveal > > > the danger of transiting bhukti lord Rahu's conjunction with dasa lord > > Moon. > > > > > > An important factor also is Moon's nakshatra lord Sun conjunct 8th lord > > > Jupiter in 8th. It's quite apparent that Moon is under affliction without > > > having to resort to nodal aspects. Note in Ashtamsha Moon/Sun are conjunct > > > in 3rd whilst Jupiter aspects. In Shashtamsha Moon, aspected by Sun, is > > > conjunct the nodes. > > > > > > Of course you're free to use nodal aspects, I don't dispute that...just > > > giving another opinion. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Wendy > > > http://www.ganesh-astro.iinet.net.au > > > > > > > > > - > > > "Nicholas" <jyotish108 > > > <gjlist> > > > Monday, October 07, 2002 4:22 PM > > > Re: [GJ] Nodal aspects A case study > > > > > > > > > > Dear Wendy > > > > Unfortunately I did not right down the exact date of death but it is > > > > approximately in the time period you give when Jupiter the 8th Lord was > > > > also aspecting the ascendent .Yes you are correct that the transit Rahu > > > was > > > > on top of the natal Moon at the time of death but transits are generally > > > > considered to only activate natal triggers . So it is because of the > > exact > > > > aspect of Rahu to Moon in the natal chart that the girl was prone to > > > asthma > > > > The asthma attack was not one off and so the girl was also getting > > asthma > > > > attacks when transit Rahu was not on top of the 3rd Lord . So the points > > > you > > > > make as to why the girl died in this time frame are good but the > > tendency > > > > to asthma can be seen from the exact aspect of Rahu to the Moon the 3rd > > > Lord > > > > of the natal chart in the Moon MD . > > > > Anyway nice to be talking jyotish again > > > > Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > -- > ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC > Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath Vedic Centre > email: ahimsa > web: www.sjvc.co.yu > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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