Guest guest Posted October 5, 2002 Report Share Posted October 5, 2002 Dear Sanjay I am not connected with SJVC at all and am not involved in your conflict. I just want your opinion as a neophyte: Do you think you current problems are due to Me/Ve/Su dasha? Me lies in 6th house, Sun is the lord of 6th house and is associated with Venus, the lord of 3rd adn 8th house? Finally, does the fact that Me disposits Rahu and Mars worsen the matters? Thanks in advance Siddhartha. gjlist, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...> wrote: > \Satya JiYes..Krodha (anger-Mars) & Dukkha (sorrow-Saturn) can blur the vision. I should not have chosen that moment to do it. You are right once again my anger has blurred my judgment and this is bad. This is caused due to a curse indicated by the aspect of Mars & saturn on Jupiter. Yes, this is not the traditional way of handling things ande-mail was never in the tradition..trying to improvise leads to may pitfalls, yet I try. I am attaching y chart and you can see this clearly.Thank you for being so kind.Sanjay RathSanjay RathNatal Chart August 7, 1963Time: 21:15:10Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Longitude: 84 E 01' 00"Latitude: 21 N 28' 00"Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Year: ShobhanaLunar Month: SravanaTithi: Krishna Tritiya (59.08% left) Weekday: WednesdayNakshatra: Sata (0.10% left)Yoga: AtigandaKarana: VanijaHora Lord: MoonSunrise: 5:28:58Sunset: 18:29:27Janma Ghatis: 39.4248Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi NavamsaLagna 14 Pi 12' 13.00" UBha 4 Pi ScSun - BK 21 Cn 04' 33.18" Asre 2 Cn CpMoon - MK 19 Aq 59' 10.28" Sata 4 Aq PiMars - PK 13 Vi 40' 57.17" Hast 2 Vi TaMercury - GK 13 Le 23' 17.00" PPha 1 Le LeJupiter - AmK 26 Pi 07' 55.43" Reva 3 Pi AqVenus - PiK 14 Cn 56' 03.77" Push 4 Cn ScSaturn ® - AK 26 Cp 49' 40.80" Dhan 2 Cp ViRahu - DK 25 Ge 45' 41.50" Puna 2 Ge TaKetu 25 Sg 45' 41.50" PSha 4 Sg ScBhava Lagna 16 Pi 59' 44.27" Reva 1 Pi SgHora Lagna 13 Sc 32' 40.91" Anu 4 Sc ScGhati Lagna 3 Sc 11' 30.82" Visa 4 Sc CnVighati Lagna 11 Vi 25' 40.37" Hast 1 Vi ArPranapada Lagna 12 Vi 03' 25.92" Hast 1 Vi ArSree Lagna 13 Pi 49' 50.67" UBha 4 Pi ScIndu Lagna 19 Cn 59' 10.28" Asre 1 Cn SgKunda 10 Vi 29' 32.63" Hast 1 Vi ArDhooma 4 Sg 24' 33.18" Mool 2 Sg TaVyatipata 25 Cn 35' 26.82" Asre 3 Cn AqParivesha 25 Cp 35' 26.82" Dhan 1 Cp LeIndra Chapa 4 Ge 24' 33.18" Mrig 4 Ge ScUpaketu 21 Ge 04' 33.18" Puna 1 Ge ArKaala 4 Aq 03' 10.10" Dhan 4 Aq ScMrityu 27 Pi 20' 05.41" Reva 4 Pi PiArtha Prahara 22 Ar 25' 04.15" Bhar 3 Ar LiYama Ghantaka 14 Ta 39' 33.27" Rohi 2 Ta TaMaandi 23 Ge 12' 27.64" Puna 1 Ge ArGulika 13 Ge 59' 57.63" Ardr 3 Ge AqPrana Sphuta 25 Pi 01' 02.61" Reva 3 Pi AqDeha Sphuta 23 Cn 53' 19.91" Asre 3 Cn AqMrityu Sphuta 29 Sg 04' 16.62" USha 1 Sg SgTrisphuta 17 Ar 58' 39.14" Bhar 2 Ar ViVarnada Lagna 27 Li 44' 53.90" Visa 3 Li GeV2 27 Sg 44' 53.90" USha 1 Sg SgV3 27 Aq 44' 53.90" PBha 3 Aq GeV4 27 Ar 44' 53.90" Krit 1 Ar Sg Rasi +------------------- ----------------------------+| \ / \ / || \ / \ Mo / || \ / \ / || \ / Ju \ / || \ / \ / || x As x SaR || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / Md \ 12 / AL \ || / \ / \ || Ra x Ke || \ / \ / || \ Gk / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / ||Su Ve x Ma x GL HL || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / Me \ / \ || / \ / \ |+--------- -----+ Navamsa +--------------- --------------------------------+| \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / Ve \ / || \ / \ / ||Su x HL As x SaR || / \ / \ || / \ Ke / \ || / \ / \ || / Gk \ 8 / AL \ || / \ / \ || Ju x Me || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / Ra \ / || \ / \ / ||Mo x Ma x GL || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / Md \ / \ || / \ / \ |+--------- -----+Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):Rah Rah 1945-08-14 Jup 1948-04-23 Sat 1950-09-20 Mer 1953-07-26 Ket 1956-02-11 Ven 1957-02-28 Sun 1960-02-28 Moo 1961-01-23 Mar 1962-07-26 Jup Jup 1963-08-14 Sat 1965-10-02 Mer 1968-04-11 Ket 1970-07-20 Ven 1971-06-25 Sun 1974-02-22 Moo 1974-12-13 Mar 1976-04-11 Rah 1977-03-18 Sat Sat 1979-08-14 Mer 1982-08-17 Ket 1985-04- 23 Ven 1986-06-03 Sun 1989-08-05 Moo 1990-07-17 Mar 1992- 02-14 Rah 1993-03-24 Jup 1996-01-30 Mer Mer 1998-08-14 Ket 2001- 01-09 Ven 2002-01-06 Sun 2004-11-08 Moo 2005-09-14 Mar 2007- 02-11 Rah 2008-02-08 Jup 2010-08-30 Sat 2012-12-04 Ket Ket 2015-08-15 Ven 2016-01-09 Sun 2017-03-09 Moo 2017-07-17 Mar 2018-02-13 Rah 2018-07-14 Jup 2019-08-02 Sat 2020-07-07 Mer 2021-08-17 Ven Ven 2022-08-14 Sun 2025-12-13 Moo 2026-12-14 Mar 2028-08-14 Rah 2029-10-15 Jup 2032-10-15 Sat 2035-06-13 Mer 2038-08-15 Ket 2041-06-13 Sun Sun 2042-08-15 Moo 2042-12-02 Mar 2043-06-01 Rah 2043-10-09 Jup 2044-09-02 Sat 2045-06- 19 Mer 2046-05-31 Ket 2047-04-06 Ven 2047-08-15 Moo Moo 2048- 08-14 Mar 2049-06-13 Rah 2050-01-12 Jup 2051-07-15 Sat 2052- 11-14 Mer 2054-06-13 Ket 2055-11-15 Ven 2056-06-12 Sun 2058- 02-11 Mar Mar 2058-08-15 Rah 2059-01-09 Jup 2060-01-27 Sat 2061-01-03 Mer 2062-02-11 Ket 2063-02-08 Ven 2063-07-08 Sun 2064-09-08 Moo 2065-01-12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2002 Report Share Posted October 6, 2002 Dear Siddharta Jaya Jagannath The Vimsottari dasa from the Moon indicates the influences the Mana is subject to, its will and understanding etc. Thus, from Chandra Lagna, the placement of Mercury in the 7th and Venus in the 6th causes Chandradi yoga. Due to the blessings of this yoga during Mercury dasa Venus antardasa I have been able to conduct two very hectic lonf conferencs in the USA. Since Mercury is the badhakesh from Lagna and is involved in two Rajyoga (4th & 5th) and (5th & 7th lords), this is sure to manifest in the form of public getgethers and learning/ propagation of the knowledge that I have received from the Guru. In fact this is going to be a very memorable antardasa in Mercury dasa. Looking at it from the Lagna, this is the 7th lord and badhakesh causing foreign travel and pushing towards foreign residence. Ever since Mercury dasa started, I started travelling to the USA. Now, Mercury is in a constellation of Venus and thus during Mercury-Venus the knowledge of Jyotish (8th lordship of Venus) shall surely be propagated in a big way. There is some error in your calculations as this conflict you refer to happens in the Moon pratyantar and not Sun prtyantar. The Moon is the 5th lord indicating Shisya and children and is in dagdha rasi, naturally this conbustion of the Moon is going to cause a lot of heat (read anger) in the mind and the cause for that is also very clear. Since Moon is in the 8th house from Venus, the efforts indicated by Venus in the fifth will be wasted. Further, Moon is also in Mrityubhaga according to some authors and such a placement can indicate death or death like suffering, especially at the time of birth and whenever the period comes. It indicates the destruction of something that you make with so much effort and pain. Yes, without flinching an eyelid, the evil from Kumbha rasi destroyed all my hard work which I had done for years. The world at large feels I was at fault for hitting him below the belt by using his chart without realising that here again, the teacher that I am was naturally trying to show what is right and what is wrong. I have been advised to apologise for that and all the havoc created is fine according to some. Now, we must remember that during the periods of such planets which are so ill placed, the wvil will come from the Satrupada which in my calculation is in Gemini with Rahu (lord of Aquarius) in it. This also confirms the problem. Rahu causes illusions, differences and is Rudra causing a break. I have to suffer this till the 9th October 2002...(Saturn sookshmantar), but towards the end i.e. 8th to 9th October, there will be some saving grace coming from Brihaspati..the Om Tat Sat has to work. The entire problem circulates around 5th house affairs if you look at it closely. The period of te Sun is always very glorious and even the Moon is good initially, but later it does bad and damages health very much. Thus, although I was able to speak and did my dharma during the conference, I was hospitalised towards the end for blood pressure. Another important point Siddhartha: I never ever take money from my students for teaching. So, please study why and see if you can trace this to Jupiter in Lagna. Parasara says that a single bow to Shiva will remove a thousand sins. So, I pray: Om namah Shivaaya gaurishankaraaya mahadevaaya namo namah madanantakaaya muktipradaaya srimad shankaraaya namo namah (Tulsi Das Krita Shiva mantra) Regards Sanjay Rath > > indigenius [indigenius] > Saturday, October 05, 2002 9:12 PM > gjlist > [GJ] Sanjay's chart > > > Dear Sanjay > > I am not connected with SJVC at all and am not involved in your > conflict. I just want your opinion as a neophyte: > > Do you think you current problems are due to Me/Ve/Su dasha? Me lies > in 6th house, Sun is the lord of 6th house and is associated with > Venus, the lord of 3rd adn 8th house? > > Finally, does the fact that Me disposits Rahu and Mars worsen the > matters? > > Thanks in advance > > Siddhartha. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2002 Report Share Posted October 6, 2002 [i am cc'ing this discussion to the vedic astrology list also, as such detailed technical discussions are appreciated on that list.] Pranaam Sanjay, It is nice to get back to astrology. I will add my 2 cents to the analysis. But first one clarification: You said: "The world at large feels I was at fault for hitting him below the belt by using his chart without realising that here again, the teacher that I am was naturally trying to show what is right and what is wrong". Just for the record, I need to clarify that I did not consider you to be at fault. Especially because Dina-natha used my name to criticize you, I think I need to clarify. Discussing the pitfalls in one's chart in public to put one down in an argument is considered unethical in the west. But I did clearly say that you perhaps had the privilege as you were his guru. Those who do not understand the nature of Guru-Sishya relationship will cry foul, but you have that right in my view. In fact, Dina-natha is at fault for slandering his guru and casting unfounded aspersions on the character of such a sweet, saattwik, selfless, compassionate and gold-hearted gentleman as you. I will appreciate if people do not use my name to criticize Sanjay by selectively reading what I wrote. However, if the privilege of discussing chart in an argument to put down the opponent is accorded to everybody, it can easily be abused. No question about that. That way, Satya ji makes a very valid point. I agree with Satya ji and others. But they all miss the basic fact that you were still Dina-natha's guru when you wrote it. Now, on to your chart. I will discuss this event from the point of view of Moola dasa. Quick intro for those who don't know it: Moola dasa received a prominent place in the works of Varahamihira, Kalyana Verma and Prithu Yasas. It shows the moola (root) of what happens in life. It shows which acts of past life are behind an event in this life. It shows the root cause of what happens. It was taught at the Ukiah conference by Sanjay with examples. Examples include one example that was taken up on the spot when someone wanted to see Christopher Reeve's chart. Sanjay had never seen that chart before. He took up the chart on the spot and identified the uncle's curse shown by Mercury (and supported by father/Sun). He identified Saturn with Mercury as the planet to deliver the curse and Rahu aspecting him as the secondary planet. When we went on to compute Moola dasas, Saturn-Saturn-Rahu pratyantardasa was running when he fell from the horse! If you never used Moola dasa, do get those tapes and try to learn this wonderful dasa. Contact Lakshmi Kary at laksmi_k (AT) neteze (DOT) com to get the tapes/CDs. Now I'll move on to Sanjay's chart and his Moola dasa. Sanjay's rasi and D-60 charts are given below: +--------------+|As Ju | | |Ra Md || | | |Gk || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Mo | |Su Ve || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||SaR | |Me || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ke AL |HL GL | |Ma || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ +--------------+|Ke AL | |Mo |SaR GL || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||HL Gk | |As Ju || | | || | | || | | || | Shashtyamsa | ||-----------| |-----------||Su | D-60 | || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ma Ve | |Me Md |Ra || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Moola dasa of Mercury is running now. Mercury dasa is a good one. Mercury is in the 9th from AL in rasi and thoroughly protects the image. He gives adhi yoga and vesi yoga among other yogas. In past life too (i.e. in D-60), he gave adhi yoga. Being in the 4th house, he shows a lot of knowledge. Being the 3rd lord in 4th, he shows communication abilities, knowledge, prosperity and happiness. He does not show any major sins. Thus, Moola dasa of Mercury is quite good. But, look at the antardasa. Ketu antardasa in Mercury dasa started in March 2002 and runs till January 2003. Ketu is in the 9th house in D-60. D-60 shows what happened in past life. Results given by Dr. Raman for Ketu in the 9th house: "short-tempered, eloquent but employ the ability to scandalize others, generally hostile to parents". Ketu shows some mistakes committed towards elders (esp guru) in the past life. When Ketu's antardasa comes in Moola dasa in this life, it can result in the mistakes being paid back. When Dina-natha defied his guru and made unfounded allegations to cast aspersions on his character, we should realize that there is some karma that Sanjay carries with him, which is making him go through this bitter experience! Based on Moola dasa antardasa of Ketu, we now know that what happened to Sanjay is due to some mistakes committed towards guru and elders in past life. In what way will the results of those mistakes fructify in this life? If Sanjay made mistakes towards guru, his students will make mistakes towards him now. That is how the law of karma works! Look at rasi chart of this life to know exactly which area of life they fructify in. Ketu is in the 10th house, which stands for activities in society. Ketu is in AL, which shows image. Some poison was injected in the minds of people regarding Sanjay's image. In fact, Sanjay should be careful throughout this 10.5 month antardasa, as his mistakes towards elders will be paid back. You reap what you sow - that is how the law of karma works. However, Ketu does not represent only the bad karma. He represents some good karma too. Look at D-60 more carefully. The 5th lord Ketu is strong in moolatrikona in the 9th house. The results given by Dr. Raman in "How to judge a horoscope" are: "becomes a teacher or preceptor and renovates ancient temples". After making mistakes and disappointing the guru, Sanjay did some good karma too. He helped some temples and taught spiritual subjects. Thus, he will get some good results also in the same Ketu antardasa. He will get resepct for his intellectual and spiritual work. Let us look closely at the pratyantardasa for fine timing. Mars pratyantardasa ran during May-June 2002, when Sanjay was harassed by an insincere student and his most sincere student left him to go to a temple town and study upanishats. Mars is the lord of A9 in 6th (quarrels) aspecting the 9th and 9th lord (guru). He angered his guru and now his students angered him when Mars PD came in Ketu AD! During the month of August 2002, Moon's PD ran. How is Moon doing in D-60? Just check for yourself. Moon is almost unblemished. He is the exalted lagna lord in 11th house, showing noble and generous behavior and learning (4th) of occult subjects (8th). Being an exalted benefic in the 3rd from AL, he shows soft-spokenness and very saintly attitude. Being the lord of A11 in 11th, he shows friendly behavior and making friends. No wonder such unblemished Moon will give only excellent results. But, in which area of life are all those good results sown in past life reaped in this life? Go to rasi chart. Moon is the 5th lord showing students and following. He is in the 12th house, showing foreign lands. Sanjay had 3 grand conferences in Ireland, New Jersey and California (12th house) and increased his following (5th house) and interacted with students. He made new friends. All these nice results were given by Moon, who shows a lot of good karma in D-60 (past life). Of course, Moon could give these good results only because Ketu also carries a lot of good karma. Right now, Venus PD is running. Let us look at Venus in D-60. He is in marana karaka sthana. He is badhaka sthana lord. Being the 11th lord in 6th, he makes the native involve in others' quarrels and set up people against people. The 4th lord in 6th gives evil thoughts and meanness. In fact, Venus is the worst planet in this D-60. He is the opposite of what Moon and Jupiter stand for in this D-60. Four malefics, including AK, are in quadrants from him. Such Venus will make one use yantras, tantras and mantras for gains and destroying enemies. No wonder Venus PD in Ketu AD was chosen by Him for the worst blow to Sanjay in punishment for the actions shown by Ketu in the past life. With Venus being the 8th lord in rasi chart and occupying the 8th house from AL, this punishment came as a sudden blow (8th) caused sorrow to Sanjay. With Venus in the 5th house, it was connected to a student too. Moola dasa, when calculated correctly, is infallible. Though it was covered at the Ukiah conference by Sanjay only with respect to the fructification of curses, it shows a lot more. It shows exactly which past life actions are behind each event in this life. It can be used with just the rasi chart, but becomes more useful and accurate if you combine the D-60 too. I hope some people learnt and benefitted from my analysis above. Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih, PVR (aka Narasimha) PS: I dwelt in detail on Sanjay's chart knowing that he would have no objection. He is a sincere and pure-hearted man with no pretensions, evil thoughts, malice and false prestige. He is a man of simplicity and great humility, despite being the most knowledgable Jyotish scholar in the whole world today. PPS: Sanjay, after Ketu antardasa, it is Rahu. Why don't we all keep a low profile for a couple of years and continue with the groundwork - syllabus, books, infrastructure etc and avoid these public showdowns? If everything takes off in Jupiter antardasa (2004-2005) in a big way, there cannot be any obstacles. Jupiter is the exalted 9th lord in lagna in D-60 and lagna lord in Pisces lagna in rasi. His antardasa will be brilliant! For the next couple of years, things are unlikely to be so smooth. Here I am using the knowledge that you yourself taught me. Don you agree with my estimate? PPPS: Ignore all this nonsense and concentrate on your poojas, writing and business. All this excitement will mean nothing in the long run. Focus your enegies on what is permanent. PPPPS: Raghu did a fantastic job with the whole debate. He cared about all, he was compassionate, he tried to go to the bottom of the problem and solve it, without hurting or provoking anybody. Watching him in action was a lesson in conflict management. Kudos to him! > Dear Siddharta> Jaya Jagannath> > The Vimsottari dasa from the Moon indicates the influences the Mana is> subject to, its will and understanding etc. Thus, from Chandra Lagna, the> placement of Mercury in the 7th and Venus in the 6th causes Chandradi yoga.> Due to the blessings of this yoga during Mercury dasa Venus antardasa I have> been able to conduct two very hectic lonf conferencs in the USA. Since> Mercury is the badhakesh from Lagna and is involved in two Rajyoga (4th &> 5th) and (5th & 7th lords), this is sure to manifest in the form of public> getgethers and learning/ propagation of the knowledge that I have received> from the Guru. In fact this is going to be a very memorable antardasa in> Mercury dasa. Looking at it from the Lagna, this is the 7th lord and> badhakesh causing foreign travel and pushing towards foreign residence. Ever> since Mercury dasa started, I started travelling to the USA. Now, Mercury is> in a constellation of Venus and thus during Mercury-Venus the knowledge of> Jyotish (8th lordship of Venus) shall surely be propagated in a big way.> > There is some error in your calculations as this conflict you refer to> happens in the Moon pratyantar and not Sun prtyantar. The Moon is the 5th> lord indicating Shisya and children and is in dagdha rasi, naturally this> conbustion of the Moon is going to cause a lot of heat (read anger) in the> mind and the cause for that is also very clear. Since Moon is in the 8th> house from Venus, the efforts indicated by Venus in the fifth will be> wasted. Further, Moon is also in Mrityubhaga according to some authors and> such a placement can indicate death or death like suffering, especially at> the time of birth and whenever the period comes. It indicates the> destruction of something that you make with so much effort and pain. Yes,> without flinching an eyelid, the evil from Kumbha rasi destroyed all my> hard work which I had done for years. The world at large feels I was at> fault for hitting him below the belt by using his chart without realising> that here again, the teacher that I am was naturally trying to show what is> right and what is wrong. I have been advised to apologise for that and all> the havoc created is fine according to some. Now, we must remember that> during the periods of such planets which are so ill placed, the wvil will> come from the Satrupada which in my calculation is in Gemini with Rahu (lord> of Aquarius) in it. This also confirms the problem. Rahu causes illusions,> differences and is Rudra causing a break.> > I have to suffer this till the 9th October 2002...(Saturn sookshmantar),> but towards the end i.e. 8th to 9th October, there will be some saving grace> coming from Brihaspati..the Om Tat Sat has to work. The entire problem> circulates around 5th house affairs if you look at it closely. The period of> te Sun is always very glorious and even the Moon is good initially, but> later it does bad and damages health very much. Thus, although I was able to> speak and did my dharma during the conference, I was hospitalised towards> the end for blood pressure. Another important point Siddhartha: I never ever> take money from my students for teaching. So, please study why and see if> you can trace this to Jupiter in Lagna. Parasara says that a single bow to> Shiva will remove a thousand sins. So, I pray:> Om namah Shivaaya gaurishankaraaya mahadevaaya namo namah> madanantakaaya muktipradaaya srimad shankaraaya namo namah (Tulsi Das Krita> Shiva mantra)> > Regards> Sanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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