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Dear All

I find that the Kala Sarpa in the heavens each month is associated with some

idea "grabbing" the mind. Kala Sarpa means that all the visible planets are

on one side of the nodal axis. The Moon is the only body free from that

grasp.

 

Once the Moon comes into the serpent's grasp

something gets triggered. Then after the Moon passes Jupiter it expands.

The lack of aspects to other visible planets seems to trigger a process

where the thoughts are "cooked" in the cauldron of compulsive thoughts and

it is difficult to release them until the Moon gets well passed the

conjunction with Ketu. We have a couple more of these to follow.

 

Yesterday I had a client who works with hospice. She noted a date when an

unusually high number of patients crossed over. (5 out of 14). IT was about

36 hours.

 

We pulled up the charts and saw that Jupiter was tightly aspecting and

aspected by Ketu. The Moon was just about to enter Taurus where Rahu is.

What does this mean, I do not know.

 

I have seen people cross over around eclipses and have seen compulsive

thinking rise to an astronomical rather around eclipse time. Perhaps that

is

what we are seeing on the list and in the world.

 

Today we have the Moon in the rather arrogant mansion called Magha. Magha's

greatness is her "knowing" that she is more than her mortal body. Her

shadow is arrogance and superiority.

 

The Moon just faced Uranus triggering heightened mental activity, in

addition to the grasp of the serpent. The Moon is moving to Mars,

fortunately in a mansion known for cooperation. Let us see how the list

calms down in another 2 days after the Mars face off.

 

 

Ever watching.

c

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Dear Cynthia,

 

Thanks for this - it seems it is the SUn that will break the Sarpa's back

when it moves to (and beyond) Ketu/Scorpio around Mid-November, hotly

followed by Mercury.

 

Sateesh.

 

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Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:56 PM

[GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

 

 

: Dear All

: I find that the Kala Sarpa in the heavens each month is associated with

some

: idea "grabbing" the mind. Kala Sarpa means that all the visible planets

are

: on one side of the nodal axis. The Moon is the only body free from that

: grasp.

:

: Once the Moon comes into the serpent's grasp

: something gets triggered. Then after the Moon passes Jupiter it expands.

: The lack of aspects to other visible planets seems to trigger a process

: where the thoughts are "cooked" in the cauldron of compulsive thoughts and

: it is difficult to release them until the Moon gets well passed the

: conjunction with Ketu. We have a couple more of these to follow.

:

: Yesterday I had a client who works with hospice. She noted a date when an

: unusually high number of patients crossed over. (5 out of 14). IT was

about

: 36 hours.

:

: We pulled up the charts and saw that Jupiter was tightly aspecting and

: aspected by Ketu. The Moon was just about to enter Taurus where Rahu is.

: What does this mean, I do not know.

:

: I have seen people cross over around eclipses and have seen compulsive

: thinking rise to an astronomical rather around eclipse time. Perhaps that

: is

: what we are seeing on the list and in the world.

:

: Today we have the Moon in the rather arrogant mansion called Magha.

Magha's

: greatness is her "knowing" that she is more than her mortal body. Her

: shadow is arrogance and superiority.

:

: The Moon just faced Uranus triggering heightened mental activity, in

: addition to the grasp of the serpent. The Moon is moving to Mars,

: fortunately in a mansion known for cooperation. Let us see how the list

: calms down in another 2 days after the Mars face off.

:

:

: Ever watching.

: c

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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Cynthia and Sateesh,

I must correct you. Theres Kala Amrita Yoga, not Sarpa.

The difference happens when Ketu is leading the pack, instead of Rahu.

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgITRANS Font:

http://www.aczone.com/itrans/Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zip

 

 

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"Sateesh Batas" <makara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com>

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Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:19 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

> > Dear Cynthia,> > Thanks for this - it seems it is the SUn that will break

the Sarpa's back> when it moves to (and beyond) Ketu/Scorpio around

Mid-November, hotly> followed by Mercury.> > Sateesh.> > ========> > -----

Original Message -----> "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>> To:

<gjlist>; <astrology-l>> Thursday, October

03, 2002 2:56 PM> [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent> > > :

Dear All> : I find that the Kala Sarpa in the heavens each month is associated

with> some> : idea "grabbing" the mind. Kala Sarpa means that all the visible

planets> are> : on one side of the nodal axis. The Moon is the only body free

from that> : grasp.> :> : Once the Moon comes into the serpent's grasp> :

something gets triggered. Then after the Moon passes Jupiter it expands.> :

The lack of aspects to other visible planets seems to trigger a process> :

where the thoughts are "cooked" in the cauldron of compulsive thoughts and> :

it is difficult to release them until the Moon gets well passed the> :

conjunction with Ketu. We have a couple more of these to follow.> :> :

Yesterday I had a client who works with hospice. She noted a date when an> :

unusually high number of patients crossed over. (5 out of 14). IT was> about>

: 36 hours.> :> : We pulled up the charts and saw that Jupiter was tightly

aspecting and> : aspected by Ketu. The Moon was just about to enter Taurus

where Rahu is.> : What does this mean, I do not know.> :> : I have seen people

cross over around eclipses and have seen compulsive> : thinking rise to an

astronomical rather around eclipse time. Perhaps that> : is> : what we are

seeing on the list and in the world.> :> : Today we have the Moon in the rather

arrogant mansion called Magha.> Magha's> : greatness is her "knowing" that she

is more than her mortal body. Her> : shadow is arrogance and superiority.> :>

: The Moon just faced Uranus triggering heightened mental activity, in> :

addition to the grasp of the serpent. The Moon is moving to Mars,> :

fortunately in a mansion known for cooperation. Let us see how the list> :

calms down in another 2 days after the Mars face off.> :> :> : Ever watching.>

: c> :> :> :> :> :> :> : Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat

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Dear Visti

This was how I was taught. Please advise the general difference of the two?

 

c

 

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Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:25 AM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Cynthia and Sateesh,

I must correct you. Theres Kala Amrita Yoga, not Sarpa.

The difference happens when Ketu is leading the pack, instead of Rahu.

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgITRANS Font:

http://www.aczone.com/itrans/Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zip

 

 

-

"Sateesh Batas" <makara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com>

<gjlist>

Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:19 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

> > Dear Cynthia,> > Thanks for this - it seems it is the SUn that will break

the Sarpa's back> when it moves to (and beyond) Ketu/Scorpio around

Mid-November, hotly> followed by Mercury.> > Sateesh.> > ========> > -----

Original Message -----> "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>> To:

<gjlist>; <astrology-l>> Thursday, October

03, 2002 2:56 PM> [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent> > > :

Dear All> : I find that the Kala Sarpa in the heavens each month is associated

with> some> : idea "grabbing" the mind. Kala Sarpa means that all the visible

planets> are> : on one side of the nodal axis. The Moon is the only body free

from that> : grasp.> :> : Once the Moon comes into the serpent's grasp> :

something gets triggered. Then after the Moon passes Jupiter it expands.> :

The lack of aspects to other visible planets seems to trigger a process> :

where the thoughts are "cooked" in the cauldron of compulsive thoughts and> :

it is difficult to release them until the Moon gets well passed the> :

conjunction with Ketu. We have a couple more of these to follow.> :> :

Yesterday I had a client who works with hospice. She noted a date when an> :

unusually high number of patients crossed over. (5 out of 14). IT was> about>

: 36 hours.> :> : We pulled up the charts and saw that Jupiter was tightly

aspecting and> : aspected by Ketu. The Moon was just about to enter Taurus

where Rahu is.> : What does this mean, I do not know.> :> : I have seen people

cross over around eclipses and have seen compulsive> : thinking rise to an

astronomical rather around eclipse time. Perhaps that> : is> : what we are

seeing on the list and in the world.> :> : Today we have the Moon in the rather

arrogant mansion called Magha.> Magha's> : greatness is her "knowing" that she

is more than her mortal body. Her> : shadow is arrogance and superiority.> :>

: The Moon just faced Uranus triggering heightened mental activity, in> :

addition to the grasp of the serpent. The Moon is moving to Mars,> :

fortunately in a mansion known for cooperation. Let us see how the list> :

calms down in another 2 days after the Mars face off.> :> :> : Ever watching.>

: c> :> :> :> :> :> :> : Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat

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Dear Visti,

 

Wouldn't it depend on the Ascending sign in question?

 

E.g. for Taurus rising, Rahu would ascend and Ketu would be in 7th - and all

planets in between - isn't that a KSY rather than a KAY?

 

Sateesh.

 

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- Visti Larsen

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Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:25 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Cynthia and Sateesh,

I must correct you. Theres Kala Amrita Yoga, not Sarpa.

The difference happens when Ketu is leading the pack, instead of Rahu.

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgITRANS Font:

http://www.aczone.com/itrans/Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zip

 

 

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"Sateesh Batas" <makara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com>

<gjlist>

Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:19 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

> > Dear Cynthia,> > Thanks for this - it seems it is the SUn that will break

the Sarpa's back> when it moves to (and beyond) Ketu/Scorpio around

Mid-November, hotly> followed by Mercury.> > Sateesh.> > ========> > -----

Original Message -----> "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>> To:

<gjlist>; <astrology-l>> Thursday, October

03, 2002 2:56 PM> [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent> > > :

Dear All> : I find that the Kala Sarpa in the heavens each month is associated

with> some> : idea "grabbing" the mind. Kala Sarpa means that all the visible

planets> are> : on one side of the nodal axis. The Moon is the only body free

from that> : grasp.> :> : Once the Moon comes into the serpent's grasp> :

something gets triggered. Then after the Moon passes Jupiter it expands.> :

The lack of aspects to other visible planets seems to trigger a process> :

where the thoughts are "cooked" in the cauldron of compulsive thoughts and> :

it is difficult to release them until the Moon gets well passed the> :

conjunction with Ketu. We have a couple more of these to follow.> :> :

Yesterday I had a client who works with hospice. She noted a date when an> :

unusually high number of patients crossed over. (5 out of 14). IT was> about>

: 36 hours.> :> : We pulled up the charts and saw that Jupiter was tightly

aspecting and> : aspected by Ketu. The Moon was just about to enter Taurus

where Rahu is.> : What does this mean, I do not know.> :> : I have seen people

cross over around eclipses and have seen compulsive> : thinking rise to an

astronomical rather around eclipse time. Perhaps that> : is> : what we are

seeing on the list and in the world.> :> : Today we have the Moon in the rather

arrogant mansion called Magha.> Magha's> : greatness is her "knowing" that she

is more than her mortal body. Her> : shadow is arrogance and superiority.> :>

: The Moon just faced Uranus triggering heightened mental activity, in> :

addition to the grasp of the serpent. The Moon is moving to Mars,> :

fortunately in a mansion known for cooperation. Let us see how the list> :

calms down in another 2 days after the Mars face off.> :> :> : Ever watching.>

: c> :> :> :> :> :> :> : Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat

Sat> : : gjlist-> :

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Dear Cynthia and Visti,

 

See the below two TR charts of the current situation - my understanding is the

Aries rising chart is KSY, and the Libra rising chart is KAY.

 

Glad to hear more opinions.

 

Sateesh.

 

========

 

Aries rising - Rahu leads -

KSY******************************************************* **

* * ** * * * *

* * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * RA 16:46*

* 12 * * * * * * *

* *SA 05:10 3 * AS 03:40 * 11 * *

* * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * *

* 1 * * * ** * *

** * JU 18:42 4 * 10 *

** * * ** * *

* 7 * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * *

* * * * * *MO 09:15 * *

* * * *MA 28:32 5 * VE 20:50 * 9

* * * * * * * *

MER05:13* * 8 * * * * SU 16:33 *

* KE 16:46 * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * **

* * **

*******************************************************

 

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Libra rising - Ketu leads -

KAY******************************************************* **

* * ** * * * *

* * * * * * * * *

* * * MER05:13 * * * KE 16:46*

SU 16:33* * * * * VE 20:50 * *

MO 09:15* * 9 * AS 26:37 * 5 MA 28:32* *

* * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * *

* 7 * * * ** * *

** * 10 * 4 JU 18:42 *

** * * ** * *

* 1 * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * *

* * * * 11* * 3 SA

05:10* * * * * * * * *

12 * * 2 * * * * *

* RA 16:46 * * * * * * *

* * * * * * * **

* * **

*******************************************************

 

========

 

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cynthia novak

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Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:29 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Dear Visti

This was how I was taught. Please advise the general difference of the two?

 

c

 

-

Visti Larsen

gjlist

Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:25 AM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Cynthia and Sateesh,

I must correct you. Theres Kala Amrita Yoga, not Sarpa.

The difference happens when Ketu is leading the pack, instead of Rahu.

Best wishes

 

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Dear Cynthia,

 

Go to http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com

the bottom click on THE NOTORIOUS SARPA YOGAS

and see the differences.

 

Cheers

 

Jay Weiss

 

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cynthia novak

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Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:29 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Dear Visti

This was how I was taught. Please advise the general difference of the two?

 

c

 

-

Visti Larsen

gjlist

Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:25 AM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Cynthia and Sateesh,

I must correct you. Theres Kala Amrita Yoga, not Sarpa.

The difference happens when Ketu is leading the pack, instead of Rahu.

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgITRANS Font:

http://www.aczone.com/itrans/Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zip

 

 

-

"Sateesh Batas" <makara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com>

<gjlist>

Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:19 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

> > Dear Cynthia,> > Thanks for this - it seems it is the SUn that will break

the Sarpa's back> when it moves to (and beyond) Ketu/Scorpio around

Mid-November, hotly> followed by Mercury.> > Sateesh.> > ========> > -----

Original Message -----> "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>> To:

<gjlist>; <astrology-l>> Thursday, October

03, 2002 2:56 PM> [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent> > > :

Dear All> : I find that the Kala Sarpa in the heavens each month is associated

with> some> : idea "grabbing" the mind. Kala Sarpa means that all the visible

planets> are> : on one side of the nodal axis. The Moon is the only body free

from that> : grasp.> :> : Once the Moon comes into the serpent's grasp> :

something gets triggered. Then after the Moon passes Jupiter it expands.> :

The lack of aspects to other visible planets seems to trigger a process> :

where the thoughts are "cooked" in the cauldron of compulsive thoughts and> :

it is difficult to release them until the Moon gets well passed the> :

conjunction with Ketu. We have a couple more of these to follow.> :> :

Yesterday I had a client who works with hospice. She noted a date when an> :

unusually high number of patients crossed over. (5 out of 14). IT was> about>

: 36 hours.> :> : We pulled up the charts and saw that Jupiter was tightly

aspecting and> : aspected by Ketu. The Moon was just about to enter Taurus

where Rahu is.> : What does this mean, I do not know.> :> : I have seen people

cross over around eclipses and have seen compulsive> : thinking rise to an

astronomical rather around eclipse time. Perhaps that> : is> : what we are

seeing on the list and in the world.> :> : Today we have the Moon in the rather

arrogant mansion called Magha.> Magha's> : greatness is her "knowing" that she

is more than her mortal body. Her> : shadow is arrogance and superiority.> :>

: The Moon just faced Uranus triggering heightened mental activity, in> :

addition to the grasp of the serpent. The Moon is moving to Mars,> :

fortunately in a mansion known for cooperation. Let us see how the list> :

calms down in another 2 days after the Mars face off.> :> :> : Ever watching.>

: c> :> :> :> :> :> :> : Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat

Sat> : : gjlist-> :

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Dear Jay

In Core Yogas by Ernst Wilhelm, the general definition is simple.

 

"All planets between Ketu and Rahu."

 

I added the work all "visible" planets because that is what Jyotish has

typically used. I have not seen in my clients a dramatic difference between

those with Ketu led as opposed to Rahu led.

 

What have you seen?

 

I went through a period where I say a lot of KSY clients (using the above

definition) and applied the notion that the Ketu led yogas would be more

successful as I had read, but I did not find that to be the case. I have NOT

found it to restrict success as much as I have seen it to indicate folks who

have the capacity to narrow their focus and focus upon a goal until bringing it

to completion. I have seen a limitation is their struggeling to see things from

another's perspective.

 

Please, what have you seen in practice???

 

I am eager to learn

c

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But aren't there ALWAYS planets "between" Rahu and Ketu since they are always

opposed? I am asking a serious question not critiquing.

 

R/S

Martin

cynthia novak

[cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net]Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:44 PMTo:

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Dear Jay

In Core Yogas by Ernst Wilhelm, the general definition is simple.

 

"All planets between Ketu and Rahu."

 

I added the work all "visible" planets because that is what Jyotish has

typically used. I have not seen in my clients a dramatic difference between

those with Ketu led as opposed to Rahu led.

 

What have you seen?

 

I went through a period where I say a lot of KSY clients (using the above

definition) and applied the notion that the Ketu led yogas would be more

successful as I had read, but I did not find that to be the case. I have NOT

found it to restrict success as much as I have seen it to indicate folks who

have the capacity to narrow their focus and focus upon a goal until bringing it

to completion. I have seen a limitation is their struggeling to see things from

another's perspective.

 

Please, what have you seen in practice???

 

I am eager to learn

c

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Not always all 7 planets trapped between ONE side of the Nodal axis though.

Such as is now happening.

 

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- MICHAELS, MARTIN (AIT)

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Thursday, October 03, 2002 6:59 PM

RE: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

But aren't there ALWAYS planets "between" Rahu and Ketu since they are always

opposed? I am asking a serious question not critiquing.

 

 

 

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Dar Martin

The difference here is that ALL the visible planets are on one side of the axis

made by Rahu and Ketu.

 

Want to see a pure one???

GWB 7 6 1946 7:26am New Haven CT

 

Some prominent astrologers also consider this yoga when planets are conjoined

or in the same house as Rahu or Ketu. If so, then we also see this with the

charts of SH and Colin Powell.

 

I am about to discontinue another list. It has really gone over the deep end.

There are folks there who believe that if a person even likes or considers GWB

seriously they are in some way under his "spell." OK these are my words but

boy has it been made clear. The tolerance fo differing views is pretty low

these days. The book I read in January "The New Thought Police" was chillingly

accurate.

 

Sorry, just spilled out. I guess the serpent grasped me

 

c

 

 

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Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:59 PM

RE: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

But aren't there ALWAYS planets "between" Rahu and Ketu since they are always

opposed? I am asking a serious question not critiquing.

 

R/S

Martin

cynthia novak

[cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net]Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:44 PMTo:

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Dear Jay

In Core Yogas by Ernst Wilhelm, the general definition is simple.

 

"All planets between Ketu and Rahu."

 

I added the work all "visible" planets because that is what Jyotish has

typically used. I have not seen in my clients a dramatic difference between

those with Ketu led as opposed to Rahu led.

 

What have you seen?

 

I went through a period where I say a lot of KSY clients (using the above

definition) and applied the notion that the Ketu led yogas would be more

successful as I had read, but I did not find that to be the case. I have NOT

found it to restrict success as much as I have seen it to indicate folks who

have the capacity to narrow their focus and focus upon a goal until bringing it

to completion. I have seen a limitation is their struggeling to see things from

another's perspective.

 

Please, what have you seen in practice???

 

I am eager to learn

c

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Ah! I see - that would be "unusual"...

Thank you, Sateesh, for the explanation.

 

Best regards,

Martin

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Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 PMgjlistSubject: Re: [GJ]

Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Not always all 7 planets trapped between ONE side of the Nodal axis though.

Such as is now happening.

 

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Thursday, October 03, 2002 6:59 PM

RE: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

But aren't there ALWAYS planets "between" Rahu and Ketu since they are always

opposed? I am asking a serious question not critiquing.

 

 

 

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Dear list members

I don't think this is correct

Rahu leads for any Lagna because the planets are after Rahu

KSY I think

 

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Friday, October 04, 2002 12:46 AM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Dear Cynthia and Visti,

 

See the below two TR charts of the current situation - my understanding is the

Aries rising chart is KSY, and the Libra rising chart is KAY.

 

Glad to hear more opinions.

 

Sateesh.

 

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Dear Nicholas

You are correct. No matter how you turn the wheel, the nodes are moving

backward. Today all the visible planets fall from Gemini to Libra, Rahu is in

Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio.

 

Since the dragon moves backward, Ketu is moving toward the planets no matter what the lagna.

 

Nicholas, have you seen much difference between the manifestation of this yoga

when Ketu moves toward the planets or when Rahu does?

 

c

 

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Nicholas

Sateesh Batas

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Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:04 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Dear list members

I don't think this is correct

Rahu leads for any Lagna because the planets are after Rahu

KSY I think

 

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Sateesh Batas

gjlist

Friday, October 04, 2002 12:46 AM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Dear Cynthia and Visti,

 

See the below two TR charts of the current situation - my understanding is the

Aries rising chart is KSY, and the Libra rising chart is KAY.

 

Glad to hear more opinions.

 

Sateesh.

 

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Dear Cynthia

I have to admit that I have never watched close enough to disttinguish between

Kala Amrta Yoga and Kala Sarpa Yoga .According to Visti we are now in KAY since

Ketu is at the front moving back towards the pack .What I have seen in these

natives lives is that the second half is better than the first ,the first is

often quite traumatic .Perhaps we will see after the major traumas the SJC has

gone through this week that it will emerge as a stronger organisation .I have

heard that they are attracting more enrolments in spite of the published

denunciations . Seeing all the arguments up front give individuals the chance

to make their own informed choices .

Kind regards to all

Nicholas

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cynthia novak

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Friday, October 04, 2002 11:01 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Dear Nicholas

You are correct. No matter how you turn the wheel, the nodes are moving

backward. Today all the visible planets fall from Gemini to Libra, Rahu is in

Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio.

 

Since the dragon moves backward, Ketu is moving toward the planets no matter what the lagna.

 

Nicholas, have you seen much difference between the manifestation of this yoga

when Ketu moves toward the planets or when Rahu does?

 

c

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Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah

Dear Cynthia and Nicholas,

The observation that there is barely any difference in KSY and KAY, is pretty

much right. See in both cases the person is stretched between the extremeties

of following their sense-desires (rahu) or renouncing it all (ketu).

 

This Yoga continues until the natural age of Rahu (42) or Ketu (45), afterwhich

the person settles on the path they want. In case of KSY, the person admits the

lust for desires, and takes that path.

 

In the meantime, all the Yogas in the chart are disfunctional, unless they

follow the path layed out by either Rahu or Ketu. I.e. a person with great

Yogas for fame, cannot get any results in the material-arena, if he has Kala

Amrita Yoga. Instead he HAS to follow the spiritual path, and maybe teach a

yoga class, or whatever, and then the fame comes.. but still to a small extent.

 

The reason for the Yoga is a VERY deep inner desire of the native, from the past

birth, which the Mana of this birth cannot seem to grasp, and hence the

distress.

 

This desire is related to the lordship and placement of either Rahu or Ketu, as

well as its dispositors.

I.e. Say in case of KAY, Ketu lords Lagna (scorpio), hence a deep desire to

manifest the personality/nature, within the realm of spirituality occurs. If

Ketu is in the 3rd, then this takes some will-power, i.e. Parakrama.. this

could be in the form of writing, or other 3rd house activities. Either way, the

person must pick up a weapon of sorts, be it a pen or a sword.

The dispositor of Ketu will show, how this desire will manifest. i.e. if in

7th, then through partners. If in 11th then through learning Astrology.

 

In this mannor you would appreciate that this yoga works to dominate the entire

lifes theme. This is the desire of the Soul, and the mind can either cry,

fight, or follow along. Some comfort is that when the Yoga reaches maturity,

the soul is freed, and possibly all those raja yoga that have been waiting,

will take the person to an incredible height. Good examples are Larry King,

George Bush Jr, Nehru.. there are no doubt more, but note the age of their

rise.

 

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgITRANS Font:

http://www.aczone.com/itrans/Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zip

 

 

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Nicholas

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Friday, October 04, 2002 10:36 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Dear Cynthia

I have to admit that I have never watched close enough to disttinguish between

Kala Amrta Yoga and Kala Sarpa Yoga .According to Visti we are now in KAY since

Ketu is at the front moving back towards the pack .What I have seen in these

natives lives is that the second half is better than the first ,the first is

often quite traumatic .Perhaps we will see after the major traumas the SJC has

gone through this week that it will emerge as a stronger organisation .I have

heard that they are attracting more enrolments in spite of the published

denunciations . Seeing all the arguments up front give individuals the chance

to make their own informed choices .

Kind regards to all

Nicholas

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cynthia novak

gjlist

Friday, October 04, 2002 11:01 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Dear Nicholas

You are correct. No matter how you turn the wheel, the nodes are moving

backward. Today all the visible planets fall from Gemini to Libra, Rahu is in

Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio.

 

Since the dragon moves backward, Ketu is moving toward the planets no matter what the lagna.

 

Nicholas, have you seen much difference between the manifestation of this yoga

when Ketu moves toward the planets or when Rahu does?

 

c

 

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Om Namo Narayanaya,

There is a difference.. I 've seen it in charts.. When Rahu Yoga led

it leads to materialism, when Ketu led to Spiritualism (Kalamsarpa and

Kalamrita Respectively). If yoga is broken by any graha (sharing rahu-ketu

houses), or by Guru/Chandra in 1/7th houses, than the path either is materially

or spiritually settled by means of the breaking grahas. When there

are no grahas, the Rahu led yoga person would suffer till 42 years old,

while Ketu led person would suffer till 45 years

old..

Best wishes

Zoran

cynthia novak wrote:

Dear JayIn

Core Yogas by Ernst Wilhelm, the general definition is simple. "All

planets between Ketu and Rahu." I added the work

all "visible" planets because that is what Jyotish has typically used.

I have not seen in my clients a dramatic difference between those with

Ketu led as opposed to Rahu led. What have you

seen? I went through a period where I say a lot

of KSY clients (using the above definition) and applied the notion that

the Ketu led yogas would be more successful as I had read, but I did not

find that to be the case. I have NOT found it to restrict success

as much as I have seen it to indicate folks who have the capacity to narrow

their focus and focus upon a goal until bringing it to completion.

I have seen a limitation is their struggeling to see things from another's

perspective. Please, what have you seen in practice??? I

am eager to learnc

 

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KSY and KAY are never good or bad,

As in KAY the beginning is from Ketu and ending is with Rahu, it will depend how

and in what position are your Mars And Saturn behaving in your chart.

 

Because in general Ketu represents Ketu and Rahu represents Saturn .

 

If Mars is positive and Saturn is negative the Yoga is bad.

 

Consider everything What mars is doing in your chart and what Saturn is doing ,

if they are positive then it is positive starting and positive ending.

 

Planets joining Rahu or Ketu will let Rahu and Ketu givethe result of that particular planet.

 

So the KAY and KSY will give different results for different ascendants.

 

Some times KSY may be good over KAY.

 

A deep analysis is must.

 

Regards,

Inder Jit Sahni

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Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:06 AM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Dear Cynthia

I have to admit that I have never watched close enough to disttinguish between

Kala Amrta Yoga and Kala Sarpa Yoga .According to Visti we are now in KAY since

Ketu is at the front moving back towards the pack .What I have seen in these

natives lives is that the second half is better than the first ,the first is

often quite traumatic .Perhaps we will see after the major traumas the SJC has

gone through this week that it will emerge as a stronger organisation .I have

heard that they are attracting more enrolments in spite of the published

denunciations . Seeing all the arguments up front give individuals the chance

to make their own informed choices .

Kind regards to all

Nicholas

-

cynthia novak

gjlist

Friday, October 04, 2002 11:01 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent

Dear Nicholas

You are correct. No matter how you turn the wheel, the nodes are moving

backward. Today all the visible planets fall from Gemini to Libra, Rahu is in

Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio.

 

Since the dragon moves backward, Ketu is moving toward the planets no matter what the lagna.

 

Nicholas, have you seen much difference between the manifestation of this yoga

when Ketu moves toward the planets or when Rahu does?

 

c

 

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