Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Dear All I find that the Kala Sarpa in the heavens each month is associated with some idea "grabbing" the mind. Kala Sarpa means that all the visible planets are on one side of the nodal axis. The Moon is the only body free from that grasp. Once the Moon comes into the serpent's grasp something gets triggered. Then after the Moon passes Jupiter it expands. The lack of aspects to other visible planets seems to trigger a process where the thoughts are "cooked" in the cauldron of compulsive thoughts and it is difficult to release them until the Moon gets well passed the conjunction with Ketu. We have a couple more of these to follow. Yesterday I had a client who works with hospice. She noted a date when an unusually high number of patients crossed over. (5 out of 14). IT was about 36 hours. We pulled up the charts and saw that Jupiter was tightly aspecting and aspected by Ketu. The Moon was just about to enter Taurus where Rahu is. What does this mean, I do not know. I have seen people cross over around eclipses and have seen compulsive thinking rise to an astronomical rather around eclipse time. Perhaps that is what we are seeing on the list and in the world. Today we have the Moon in the rather arrogant mansion called Magha. Magha's greatness is her "knowing" that she is more than her mortal body. Her shadow is arrogance and superiority. The Moon just faced Uranus triggering heightened mental activity, in addition to the grasp of the serpent. The Moon is moving to Mars, fortunately in a mansion known for cooperation. Let us see how the list calms down in another 2 days after the Mars face off. Ever watching. c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Dear Cynthia, Thanks for this - it seems it is the SUn that will break the Sarpa's back when it moves to (and beyond) Ketu/Scorpio around Mid-November, hotly followed by Mercury. Sateesh. ======== - "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak <gjlist>; <astrology-l> Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:56 PM [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent : Dear All : I find that the Kala Sarpa in the heavens each month is associated with some : idea "grabbing" the mind. Kala Sarpa means that all the visible planets are : on one side of the nodal axis. The Moon is the only body free from that : grasp. : : Once the Moon comes into the serpent's grasp : something gets triggered. Then after the Moon passes Jupiter it expands. : The lack of aspects to other visible planets seems to trigger a process : where the thoughts are "cooked" in the cauldron of compulsive thoughts and : it is difficult to release them until the Moon gets well passed the : conjunction with Ketu. We have a couple more of these to follow. : : Yesterday I had a client who works with hospice. She noted a date when an : unusually high number of patients crossed over. (5 out of 14). IT was about : 36 hours. : : We pulled up the charts and saw that Jupiter was tightly aspecting and : aspected by Ketu. The Moon was just about to enter Taurus where Rahu is. : What does this mean, I do not know. : : I have seen people cross over around eclipses and have seen compulsive : thinking rise to an astronomical rather around eclipse time. Perhaps that : is : what we are seeing on the list and in the world. : : Today we have the Moon in the rather arrogant mansion called Magha. Magha's : greatness is her "knowing" that she is more than her mortal body. Her : shadow is arrogance and superiority. : : The Moon just faced Uranus triggering heightened mental activity, in : addition to the grasp of the serpent. The Moon is moving to Mars, : fortunately in a mansion known for cooperation. Let us see how the list : calms down in another 2 days after the Mars face off. : : : Ever watching. : c : : : : : : : Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : : gjlist- : : : : Your use of is subject to : : : --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release 30/09/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Cynthia and Sateesh, I must correct you. Theres Kala Amrita Yoga, not Sarpa. The difference happens when Ketu is leading the pack, instead of Rahu. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgITRANS Font: http://www.aczone.com/itrans/Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zip - "Sateesh Batas" <makara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> <gjlist> Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:19 PM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent > > Dear Cynthia,> > Thanks for this - it seems it is the SUn that will break the Sarpa's back> when it moves to (and beyond) Ketu/Scorpio around Mid-November, hotly> followed by Mercury.> > Sateesh.> > ========> > ----- Original Message -----> "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>> To: <gjlist>; <astrology-l>> Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:56 PM> [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent> > > : Dear All> : I find that the Kala Sarpa in the heavens each month is associated with> some> : idea "grabbing" the mind. Kala Sarpa means that all the visible planets> are> : on one side of the nodal axis. The Moon is the only body free from that> : grasp.> :> : Once the Moon comes into the serpent's grasp> : something gets triggered. Then after the Moon passes Jupiter it expands.> : The lack of aspects to other visible planets seems to trigger a process> : where the thoughts are "cooked" in the cauldron of compulsive thoughts and> : it is difficult to release them until the Moon gets well passed the> : conjunction with Ketu. We have a couple more of these to follow.> :> : Yesterday I had a client who works with hospice. She noted a date when an> : unusually high number of patients crossed over. (5 out of 14). IT was> about> : 36 hours.> :> : We pulled up the charts and saw that Jupiter was tightly aspecting and> : aspected by Ketu. The Moon was just about to enter Taurus where Rahu is.> : What does this mean, I do not know.> :> : I have seen people cross over around eclipses and have seen compulsive> : thinking rise to an astronomical rather around eclipse time. Perhaps that> : is> : what we are seeing on the list and in the world.> :> : Today we have the Moon in the rather arrogant mansion called Magha.> Magha's> : greatness is her "knowing" that she is more than her mortal body. Her> : shadow is arrogance and superiority.> :> : The Moon just faced Uranus triggering heightened mental activity, in> : addition to the grasp of the serpent. The Moon is moving to Mars,> : fortunately in a mansion known for cooperation. Let us see how the list> : calms down in another 2 days after the Mars face off.> :> :> : Ever watching.> : c> :> :> :> :> :> :> : Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> : : gjlist-> : http://www.goravani.com> :> :> : Your use of is subject to > :> :> :> > > ---> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release 30/09/2002> > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> To , send an email to: gjlist-> http://www.goravani.com> > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Dear Visti This was how I was taught. Please advise the general difference of the two? c - Visti Larsen gjlist Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:25 AM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Hare Rama Krishna Dear Cynthia and Sateesh, I must correct you. Theres Kala Amrita Yoga, not Sarpa. The difference happens when Ketu is leading the pack, instead of Rahu. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgITRANS Font: http://www.aczone.com/itrans/Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zip - "Sateesh Batas" <makara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> <gjlist> Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:19 PM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent > > Dear Cynthia,> > Thanks for this - it seems it is the SUn that will break the Sarpa's back> when it moves to (and beyond) Ketu/Scorpio around Mid-November, hotly> followed by Mercury.> > Sateesh.> > ========> > ----- Original Message -----> "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>> To: <gjlist>; <astrology-l>> Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:56 PM> [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent> > > : Dear All> : I find that the Kala Sarpa in the heavens each month is associated with> some> : idea "grabbing" the mind. Kala Sarpa means that all the visible planets> are> : on one side of the nodal axis. The Moon is the only body free from that> : grasp.> :> : Once the Moon comes into the serpent's grasp> : something gets triggered. Then after the Moon passes Jupiter it expands.> : The lack of aspects to other visible planets seems to trigger a process> : where the thoughts are "cooked" in the cauldron of compulsive thoughts and> : it is difficult to release them until the Moon gets well passed the> : conjunction with Ketu. We have a couple more of these to follow.> :> : Yesterday I had a client who works with hospice. She noted a date when an> : unusually high number of patients crossed over. (5 out of 14). IT was> about> : 36 hours.> :> : We pulled up the charts and saw that Jupiter was tightly aspecting and> : aspected by Ketu. The Moon was just about to enter Taurus where Rahu is.> : What does this mean, I do not know.> :> : I have seen people cross over around eclipses and have seen compulsive> : thinking rise to an astronomical rather around eclipse time. Perhaps that> : is> : what we are seeing on the list and in the world.> :> : Today we have the Moon in the rather arrogant mansion called Magha.> Magha's> : greatness is her "knowing" that she is more than her mortal body. Her> : shadow is arrogance and superiority.> :> : The Moon just faced Uranus triggering heightened mental activity, in> : addition to the grasp of the serpent. The Moon is moving to Mars,> : fortunately in a mansion known for cooperation. Let us see how the list> : calms down in another 2 days after the Mars face off.> :> :> : Ever watching.> : c> :> :> :> :> :> :> : Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> : : gjlist-> : http://www.goravani.com> :> :> : Your use of is subject to > :> :> :> > > ---> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release 30/09/2002> > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> To , send an email to: gjlist-> http://www.goravani.com> > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Dear Visti, Wouldn't it depend on the Ascending sign in question? E.g. for Taurus rising, Rahu would ascend and Ketu would be in 7th - and all planets in between - isn't that a KSY rather than a KAY? Sateesh. ======== - Visti Larsen gjlist Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:25 PM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Hare Rama Krishna Dear Cynthia and Sateesh, I must correct you. Theres Kala Amrita Yoga, not Sarpa. The difference happens when Ketu is leading the pack, instead of Rahu. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgITRANS Font: http://www.aczone.com/itrans/Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zip - "Sateesh Batas" <makara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> <gjlist> Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:19 PM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent > > Dear Cynthia,> > Thanks for this - it seems it is the SUn that will break the Sarpa's back> when it moves to (and beyond) Ketu/Scorpio around Mid-November, hotly> followed by Mercury.> > Sateesh.> > ========> > ----- Original Message -----> "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>> To: <gjlist>; <astrology-l>> Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:56 PM> [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent> > > : Dear All> : I find that the Kala Sarpa in the heavens each month is associated with> some> : idea "grabbing" the mind. Kala Sarpa means that all the visible planets> are> : on one side of the nodal axis. The Moon is the only body free from that> : grasp.> :> : Once the Moon comes into the serpent's grasp> : something gets triggered. Then after the Moon passes Jupiter it expands.> : The lack of aspects to other visible planets seems to trigger a process> : where the thoughts are "cooked" in the cauldron of compulsive thoughts and> : it is difficult to release them until the Moon gets well passed the> : conjunction with Ketu. We have a couple more of these to follow.> :> : Yesterday I had a client who works with hospice. She noted a date when an> : unusually high number of patients crossed over. (5 out of 14). IT was> about> : 36 hours.> :> : We pulled up the charts and saw that Jupiter was tightly aspecting and> : aspected by Ketu. The Moon was just about to enter Taurus where Rahu is.> : What does this mean, I do not know.> :> : I have seen people cross over around eclipses and have seen compulsive> : thinking rise to an astronomical rather around eclipse time. Perhaps that> : is> : what we are seeing on the list and in the world.> :> : Today we have the Moon in the rather arrogant mansion called Magha.> Magha's> : greatness is her "knowing" that she is more than her mortal body. Her> : shadow is arrogance and superiority.> :> : The Moon just faced Uranus triggering heightened mental activity, in> : addition to the grasp of the serpent. The Moon is moving to Mars,> : fortunately in a mansion known for cooperation. Let us see how the list> : calms down in another 2 days after the Mars face off.> :> :> : Ever watching.> : c> :> :> :> :> :> :> : Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> : : gjlist-> : http://www.goravani.com> :> :> : Your use of is subject to > :> :> :> > > ---> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release 30/09/2002> > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> To , send an email to: gjlist-> http://www.goravani.com> > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of Groups is subject to the ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Dear Cynthia and Visti, See the below two TR charts of the current situation - my understanding is the Aries rising chart is KSY, and the Libra rising chart is KAY. Glad to hear more opinions. Sateesh. ======== Aries rising - Rahu leads - KSY******************************************************* ** * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RA 16:46* * 12 * * * * * * * * *SA 05:10 3 * AS 03:40 * 11 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 1 * * * ** * * ** * JU 18:42 4 * 10 * ** * * ** * * * 7 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *MO 09:15 * * * * * *MA 28:32 5 * VE 20:50 * 9 * * * * * * * * MER05:13* * 8 * * * * SU 16:33 * * KE 16:46 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** ******************************************************* ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Libra rising - Ketu leads - KAY******************************************************* ** * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * MER05:13 * * * KE 16:46* SU 16:33* * * * * VE 20:50 * * MO 09:15* * 9 * AS 26:37 * 5 MA 28:32* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 7 * * * ** * * ** * 10 * 4 JU 18:42 * ** * * ** * * * 1 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 11* * 3 SA 05:10* * * * * * * * * 12 * * 2 * * * * * * RA 16:46 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** ******************************************************* ======== - cynthia novak gjlist Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:29 PM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Dear Visti This was how I was taught. Please advise the general difference of the two? c - Visti Larsen gjlist Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:25 AM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Hare Rama Krishna Dear Cynthia and Sateesh, I must correct you. Theres Kala Amrita Yoga, not Sarpa. The difference happens when Ketu is leading the pack, instead of Rahu. Best wishes ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Dear Cynthia, Go to http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com the bottom click on THE NOTORIOUS SARPA YOGAS and see the differences. Cheers Jay Weiss - cynthia novak gjlist Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:29 PM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Dear Visti This was how I was taught. Please advise the general difference of the two? c - Visti Larsen gjlist Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:25 AM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Hare Rama Krishna Dear Cynthia and Sateesh, I must correct you. Theres Kala Amrita Yoga, not Sarpa. The difference happens when Ketu is leading the pack, instead of Rahu. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgITRANS Font: http://www.aczone.com/itrans/Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zip - "Sateesh Batas" <makara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> <gjlist> Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:19 PM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent > > Dear Cynthia,> > Thanks for this - it seems it is the SUn that will break the Sarpa's back> when it moves to (and beyond) Ketu/Scorpio around Mid-November, hotly> followed by Mercury.> > Sateesh.> > ========> > ----- Original Message -----> "cynthia novak" <cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>> To: <gjlist>; <astrology-l>> Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:56 PM> [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent> > > : Dear All> : I find that the Kala Sarpa in the heavens each month is associated with> some> : idea "grabbing" the mind. Kala Sarpa means that all the visible planets> are> : on one side of the nodal axis. The Moon is the only body free from that> : grasp.> :> : Once the Moon comes into the serpent's grasp> : something gets triggered. Then after the Moon passes Jupiter it expands.> : The lack of aspects to other visible planets seems to trigger a process> : where the thoughts are "cooked" in the cauldron of compulsive thoughts and> : it is difficult to release them until the Moon gets well passed the> : conjunction with Ketu. We have a couple more of these to follow.> :> : Yesterday I had a client who works with hospice. She noted a date when an> : unusually high number of patients crossed over. (5 out of 14). IT was> about> : 36 hours.> :> : We pulled up the charts and saw that Jupiter was tightly aspecting and> : aspected by Ketu. The Moon was just about to enter Taurus where Rahu is.> : What does this mean, I do not know.> :> : I have seen people cross over around eclipses and have seen compulsive> : thinking rise to an astronomical rather around eclipse time. Perhaps that> : is> : what we are seeing on the list and in the world.> :> : Today we have the Moon in the rather arrogant mansion called Magha.> Magha's> : greatness is her "knowing" that she is more than her mortal body. Her> : shadow is arrogance and superiority.> :> : The Moon just faced Uranus triggering heightened mental activity, in> : addition to the grasp of the serpent. The Moon is moving to Mars,> : fortunately in a mansion known for cooperation. Let us see how the list> : calms down in another 2 days after the Mars face off.> :> :> : Ever watching.> : c> :> :> :> :> :> :> : Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> : : gjlist-> : http://www.goravani.com> :> :> : Your use of is subject to > :> :> :> > > ---> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release 30/09/2002> > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> To , send an email to: gjlist-> http://www.goravani.com> > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of Groups is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Dear Jay In Core Yogas by Ernst Wilhelm, the general definition is simple. "All planets between Ketu and Rahu." I added the work all "visible" planets because that is what Jyotish has typically used. I have not seen in my clients a dramatic difference between those with Ketu led as opposed to Rahu led. What have you seen? I went through a period where I say a lot of KSY clients (using the above definition) and applied the notion that the Ketu led yogas would be more successful as I had read, but I did not find that to be the case. I have NOT found it to restrict success as much as I have seen it to indicate folks who have the capacity to narrow their focus and focus upon a goal until bringing it to completion. I have seen a limitation is their struggeling to see things from another's perspective. Please, what have you seen in practice??? I am eager to learn c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 But aren't there ALWAYS planets "between" Rahu and Ketu since they are always opposed? I am asking a serious question not critiquing. R/S Martin cynthia novak [cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net]Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:44 PMTo: gjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Dear Jay In Core Yogas by Ernst Wilhelm, the general definition is simple. "All planets between Ketu and Rahu." I added the work all "visible" planets because that is what Jyotish has typically used. I have not seen in my clients a dramatic difference between those with Ketu led as opposed to Rahu led. What have you seen? I went through a period where I say a lot of KSY clients (using the above definition) and applied the notion that the Ketu led yogas would be more successful as I had read, but I did not find that to be the case. I have NOT found it to restrict success as much as I have seen it to indicate folks who have the capacity to narrow their focus and focus upon a goal until bringing it to completion. I have seen a limitation is their struggeling to see things from another's perspective. Please, what have you seen in practice??? I am eager to learn c Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Not always all 7 planets trapped between ONE side of the Nodal axis though. Such as is now happening. ======== - MICHAELS, MARTIN (AIT) 'gjlist' Thursday, October 03, 2002 6:59 PM RE: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent But aren't there ALWAYS planets "between" Rahu and Ketu since they are always opposed? I am asking a serious question not critiquing. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Dar Martin The difference here is that ALL the visible planets are on one side of the axis made by Rahu and Ketu. Want to see a pure one??? GWB 7 6 1946 7:26am New Haven CT Some prominent astrologers also consider this yoga when planets are conjoined or in the same house as Rahu or Ketu. If so, then we also see this with the charts of SH and Colin Powell. I am about to discontinue another list. It has really gone over the deep end. There are folks there who believe that if a person even likes or considers GWB seriously they are in some way under his "spell." OK these are my words but boy has it been made clear. The tolerance fo differing views is pretty low these days. The book I read in January "The New Thought Police" was chillingly accurate. Sorry, just spilled out. I guess the serpent grasped me c - MICHAELS, MARTIN (AIT) 'gjlist' Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:59 PM RE: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent But aren't there ALWAYS planets "between" Rahu and Ketu since they are always opposed? I am asking a serious question not critiquing. R/S Martin cynthia novak [cynthianovak (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net]Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:44 PMTo: gjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Dear Jay In Core Yogas by Ernst Wilhelm, the general definition is simple. "All planets between Ketu and Rahu." I added the work all "visible" planets because that is what Jyotish has typically used. I have not seen in my clients a dramatic difference between those with Ketu led as opposed to Rahu led. What have you seen? I went through a period where I say a lot of KSY clients (using the above definition) and applied the notion that the Ketu led yogas would be more successful as I had read, but I did not find that to be the case. I have NOT found it to restrict success as much as I have seen it to indicate folks who have the capacity to narrow their focus and focus upon a goal until bringing it to completion. I have seen a limitation is their struggeling to see things from another's perspective. Please, what have you seen in practice??? I am eager to learn c Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Ah! I see - that would be "unusual"... Thank you, Sateesh, for the explanation. Best regards, Martin Sateesh Batas [makara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com]Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 PMgjlistSubject: Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Not always all 7 planets trapped between ONE side of the Nodal axis though. Such as is now happening. ======== - MICHAELS, MARTIN (AIT) 'gjlist' Thursday, October 03, 2002 6:59 PM RE: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent But aren't there ALWAYS planets "between" Rahu and Ketu since they are always opposed? I am asking a serious question not critiquing. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Dear list members I don't think this is correct Rahu leads for any Lagna because the planets are after Rahu KSY I think - Sateesh Batas gjlist Friday, October 04, 2002 12:46 AM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Dear Cynthia and Visti, See the below two TR charts of the current situation - my understanding is the Aries rising chart is KSY, and the Libra rising chart is KAY. Glad to hear more opinions. Sateesh. ======== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2002 Report Share Posted October 4, 2002 Dear Nicholas You are correct. No matter how you turn the wheel, the nodes are moving backward. Today all the visible planets fall from Gemini to Libra, Rahu is in Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio. Since the dragon moves backward, Ketu is moving toward the planets no matter what the lagna. Nicholas, have you seen much difference between the manifestation of this yoga when Ketu moves toward the planets or when Rahu does? c - Nicholas Sateesh Batas Cc: gjlist Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:04 PM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Dear list members I don't think this is correct Rahu leads for any Lagna because the planets are after Rahu KSY I think - Sateesh Batas gjlist Friday, October 04, 2002 12:46 AM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Dear Cynthia and Visti, See the below two TR charts of the current situation - my understanding is the Aries rising chart is KSY, and the Libra rising chart is KAY. Glad to hear more opinions. Sateesh. ======== Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2002 Report Share Posted October 4, 2002 Dear Cynthia I have to admit that I have never watched close enough to disttinguish between Kala Amrta Yoga and Kala Sarpa Yoga .According to Visti we are now in KAY since Ketu is at the front moving back towards the pack .What I have seen in these natives lives is that the second half is better than the first ,the first is often quite traumatic .Perhaps we will see after the major traumas the SJC has gone through this week that it will emerge as a stronger organisation .I have heard that they are attracting more enrolments in spite of the published denunciations . Seeing all the arguments up front give individuals the chance to make their own informed choices . Kind regards to all Nicholas - cynthia novak gjlist Friday, October 04, 2002 11:01 PM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Dear Nicholas You are correct. No matter how you turn the wheel, the nodes are moving backward. Today all the visible planets fall from Gemini to Libra, Rahu is in Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio. Since the dragon moves backward, Ketu is moving toward the planets no matter what the lagna. Nicholas, have you seen much difference between the manifestation of this yoga when Ketu moves toward the planets or when Rahu does? c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2002 Report Share Posted October 4, 2002 Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah Dear Cynthia and Nicholas, The observation that there is barely any difference in KSY and KAY, is pretty much right. See in both cases the person is stretched between the extremeties of following their sense-desires (rahu) or renouncing it all (ketu). This Yoga continues until the natural age of Rahu (42) or Ketu (45), afterwhich the person settles on the path they want. In case of KSY, the person admits the lust for desires, and takes that path. In the meantime, all the Yogas in the chart are disfunctional, unless they follow the path layed out by either Rahu or Ketu. I.e. a person with great Yogas for fame, cannot get any results in the material-arena, if he has Kala Amrita Yoga. Instead he HAS to follow the spiritual path, and maybe teach a yoga class, or whatever, and then the fame comes.. but still to a small extent. The reason for the Yoga is a VERY deep inner desire of the native, from the past birth, which the Mana of this birth cannot seem to grasp, and hence the distress. This desire is related to the lordship and placement of either Rahu or Ketu, as well as its dispositors. I.e. Say in case of KAY, Ketu lords Lagna (scorpio), hence a deep desire to manifest the personality/nature, within the realm of spirituality occurs. If Ketu is in the 3rd, then this takes some will-power, i.e. Parakrama.. this could be in the form of writing, or other 3rd house activities. Either way, the person must pick up a weapon of sorts, be it a pen or a sword. The dispositor of Ketu will show, how this desire will manifest. i.e. if in 7th, then through partners. If in 11th then through learning Astrology. In this mannor you would appreciate that this yoga works to dominate the entire lifes theme. This is the desire of the Soul, and the mind can either cry, fight, or follow along. Some comfort is that when the Yoga reaches maturity, the soul is freed, and possibly all those raja yoga that have been waiting, will take the person to an incredible height. Good examples are Larry King, George Bush Jr, Nehru.. there are no doubt more, but note the age of their rise. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgITRANS Font: http://www.aczone.com/itrans/Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zip - Nicholas gjlist Friday, October 04, 2002 10:36 PM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Dear Cynthia I have to admit that I have never watched close enough to disttinguish between Kala Amrta Yoga and Kala Sarpa Yoga .According to Visti we are now in KAY since Ketu is at the front moving back towards the pack .What I have seen in these natives lives is that the second half is better than the first ,the first is often quite traumatic .Perhaps we will see after the major traumas the SJC has gone through this week that it will emerge as a stronger organisation .I have heard that they are attracting more enrolments in spite of the published denunciations . Seeing all the arguments up front give individuals the chance to make their own informed choices . Kind regards to all Nicholas - cynthia novak gjlist Friday, October 04, 2002 11:01 PM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Dear Nicholas You are correct. No matter how you turn the wheel, the nodes are moving backward. Today all the visible planets fall from Gemini to Libra, Rahu is in Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio. Since the dragon moves backward, Ketu is moving toward the planets no matter what the lagna. Nicholas, have you seen much difference between the manifestation of this yoga when Ketu moves toward the planets or when Rahu does? c Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2002 Report Share Posted October 4, 2002 Om Namo Narayanaya, There is a difference.. I 've seen it in charts.. When Rahu Yoga led it leads to materialism, when Ketu led to Spiritualism (Kalamsarpa and Kalamrita Respectively). If yoga is broken by any graha (sharing rahu-ketu houses), or by Guru/Chandra in 1/7th houses, than the path either is materially or spiritually settled by means of the breaking grahas. When there are no grahas, the Rahu led yoga person would suffer till 42 years old, while Ketu led person would suffer till 45 years old.. Best wishes Zoran cynthia novak wrote: Dear JayIn Core Yogas by Ernst Wilhelm, the general definition is simple. "All planets between Ketu and Rahu." I added the work all "visible" planets because that is what Jyotish has typically used. I have not seen in my clients a dramatic difference between those with Ketu led as opposed to Rahu led. What have you seen? I went through a period where I say a lot of KSY clients (using the above definition) and applied the notion that the Ketu led yogas would be more successful as I had read, but I did not find that to be the case. I have NOT found it to restrict success as much as I have seen it to indicate folks who have the capacity to narrow their focus and focus upon a goal until bringing it to completion. I have seen a limitation is their struggeling to see things from another's perspective. Please, what have you seen in practice??? I am eager to learnc Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Terms of Service. -- ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath Vedic Centre email: ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net web: www.sjvc.co.yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2002 Report Share Posted October 4, 2002 KSY and KAY are never good or bad, As in KAY the beginning is from Ketu and ending is with Rahu, it will depend how and in what position are your Mars And Saturn behaving in your chart. Because in general Ketu represents Ketu and Rahu represents Saturn . If Mars is positive and Saturn is negative the Yoga is bad. Consider everything What mars is doing in your chart and what Saturn is doing , if they are positive then it is positive starting and positive ending. Planets joining Rahu or Ketu will let Rahu and Ketu givethe result of that particular planet. So the KAY and KSY will give different results for different ascendants. Some times KSY may be good over KAY. A deep analysis is must. Regards, Inder Jit Sahni gjlist Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:06 AM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Dear Cynthia I have to admit that I have never watched close enough to disttinguish between Kala Amrta Yoga and Kala Sarpa Yoga .According to Visti we are now in KAY since Ketu is at the front moving back towards the pack .What I have seen in these natives lives is that the second half is better than the first ,the first is often quite traumatic .Perhaps we will see after the major traumas the SJC has gone through this week that it will emerge as a stronger organisation .I have heard that they are attracting more enrolments in spite of the published denunciations . Seeing all the arguments up front give individuals the chance to make their own informed choices . Kind regards to all Nicholas - cynthia novak gjlist Friday, October 04, 2002 11:01 PM Re: [GJ] Re: In the grasp of the great serpent Dear Nicholas You are correct. No matter how you turn the wheel, the nodes are moving backward. Today all the visible planets fall from Gemini to Libra, Rahu is in Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio. Since the dragon moves backward, Ketu is moving toward the planets no matter what the lagna. Nicholas, have you seen much difference between the manifestation of this yoga when Ketu moves toward the planets or when Rahu does? c Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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