Motivations, Changes, Surrender

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Motivations are based on relative everything, relative current situation,

relative understanding of situation, relative understanding of relative

future possibilities.

 

Change is constant. People and their endevours, organizations, change.

 

Even spiritual life changes, as in, the rules for Dharma in the different

Yugas change, and so within the Yugas the dharma also changes.

 

Keeping up, is difficult. You have to keep your subscription to "Gods News"

current and read it all the time, and it arrives in your mental mail every

moment.

 

So....

 

I pray that Dinanath will update to the present what the others are up to,

what they are thinking, doing, etc., and not be attached to past things,

past times, promises, whatever. It sounds Dinanath like you are fighting a

bit alone. I mean sure, maybe there are disgruntled people who don't like

Robert along with you, but so what. If Sanjay and all his people are moving

in ways where you don't fit, then find another place, dance, group, etc.

 

I don't have a problem with you venting here, since we all do, those of us

who do, that is, so... you can too.

 

However, you personally insulted me, without trying to, because you stood up

for religious principles that only the most Vatta'd out natural Sannyasins

can possibly follow. MOST of Prabhupada's disciples ignore at least half of

the "4 principles".

 

Also, you are going to base religious santimony and bigotry. I guess we can

tell from this that you are "staunch". You are calling everybody "fallen" in

way more words. It's as bad as what Sanjay said about your chart, or worse

really.

 

And personally, I don't condone that Hare Krishna land thinking, and so, I'm

calling in your badge brother. Stop talking like you did now on this list,

or I'll stop that address you've got going. If you do another, I'll stop it

too, unless you chill way way way down, and them too, all involved.

 

As one older than most involved, I wanna stand up and say "ENOUGH", and let

me assure you, you WILL BE wasting your time threatening legal stuff, and

YOU WILL BE wasting your time carrying on like this.

 

Don't let what people say bother. Let it roll off. Gosh, if I cared what

people say about me, I'd be dead. I have enough people hating my guts for

stuff I've written, and I get prank calls, threats, all of that. Forget it.

It's just noise in the environment (that's how the person getting fired on

must think in order to go on nicely, that's the point, so I'm saying this to

Robert, Dinanath, Sanjay, Laksmi, et al...)

 

Nobody, please, should care about such things. Responding strengthens them.

 

Dinanath, what do you want?

 

If it's money, then realize, there is NO money in this stuff. These

seminars, with so few in attendence, and so many bills, they don't make big

bucks. I really doubt you need to do this. If it's fame, or stopping

slander, again, a Vaisnava 'signs off' on the complaints and walks on, do

they not in history?

 

Humility, Saranagati, they get rid of so much BS.

 

The important thing is inside us now, smelling the roses today, of doing

simple peaceful things in our life. Getting hot on the internet is so

stressful. I know, personally.

 

I pray that Dinanath, you can calm down. I highly doubt you are barking up a

useful tree for yourself. Highly doubt it. Way too martian to be fruitful.

 

And, once again, I know where I side in this simply because you have staked

out yourself as a "Prabhupada fanatic", and ISKCON bigot. The whole world

hates such people. I am in the world now, and all the good people I meet,

tons of them, all new agers, all meditators, everybody good who is not

directly an HK like you and ME, has had a REALLY BAD TASTE from exactly what

you are doing... labeling people based on your own understanding of

morality. This is so not good. I did it, I admit it, and I've apologized to

the world over and over.

 

By throwing that around as you are now, I guarantee you that in short time

you will be breaking the/your principles yourself. You are attacking too

many simultaneously. You cannot bear it. You will go down. Beware. Back off

and take care of yourself, and forget about law and vindication.

 

For the record, I do not get angel streaks on my eyes when I deal with your

adversaries, OK? I don't.

 

I didn't zap you off this list, did I? I still have not. I read you

carefully, and I know there is some truth there. I know that Robert can

roast others at times, we all know that. Roberts a strong chap, and has

expressed it at times. So what? Sanjay, KN Rao, Myself, and many other

"teachers", have ALL experienced ABANDONMENT by "students". You don't shock

with that statement. We go on. We have to. We are valuable, and we will keep

trying.

 

I have no more tolerance for holier than thou wordings. If that is the level

you interact on, it's no wonder you were axed my friend. Believe me, that

stuff cannot make it one foot out the door of Hare Krishna temples before

it's turned away from. You will lose all friends if those kind of

conceptions are indeed how you see and god forbids, JUDGE people.

 

Understand clearly now. These are various matters, and not connected. I do

NOT judge you for being an HK like myself. No problem. I am saying, that

your moral proclamations SUCK. Do you know that word? I am saying you

should back down, cool off, take care of yourself, forget these matters, and

think about it in a month or two. It's so NOT important.

 

I hope I've influenced you somewhat. You are causing alot of pain. I realize

you are feeling pain, and feel hurt. But perhaps just be in a separate space

for now. Put it away, forget about it. Do the other parts of your life, and

come back to this later. At least cool off. Lawyers and such threats are

base. You don't want to go there. Better to let things go.

 

I wish you and all others peace,

 

 

Das Goravani, President

 

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