Out with the old, in with the new

[Guest guest]

Non-dual reasoning is mighty subtle. The belief that the material is

irreconcilably separate from the divine, is, I submit, much of what's

destroying our world now.

On the other hand, the simplistic belief that they're the same thing completes the job!

It's not possible to buy sacred doctrine. The philospher D.G. Leahy argues that

the deterioriation of Western philosophy commences with the effort on the part

of philosophers after Aquinas (Descartes et al.) to try to reach the pinnacle

of reality after chucking out sacred doctrine. Doesn't work. That much is

obvious; what doesn't seem obvious to me is that the Divine breath and touch

should be incapable of sneaking into purely "material" situations and

beautifully overturn lives -- simply because we *simply must* nkeep the

immanent and the transcendent segregated.

It's possible to thinkone is paying money for something with which one connects

in a superficial way -- and then get zapped by the lovely Goddess called the

Jyotir Vidya. Yeah, guy, she's a goddess -- a lady --does that then make her

Maya and unholy? With respect to money, Lakshmi connected to House 2 as

Goddess Fortuna or lady luck is someone/something we must be careful with. If

we don't want to handle or finger $ "herself", we need to make sure we have an

associate, minister, bodyguard etc. who does know how to do this: court her,

serenade her, make love to her. The alternative is always disastrous.

How money is "handled" by any of us, brahmachari or giggolo, is the

rubber-meets-the-road test of one's grasp of the shapeliness and nuances of

spiritual poetics or aesthetics. And I will argue to my last breath that it is

*impossible* to meet Radha-Krishna, Shiva-Shakti, Yahweh-Shekhina,

Chakrasamvara-Vajrayogini -- *and* they're all the *same* primordial reality in

primordial coitus!! -- without courting and learning to nourish the intermediate

dimension of imagination, artistic fervor and deep aesthetics.

Sarva mangalam,

J. I. Abbot

In a message dated 10/2/2002 8:22:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, gjlist (AT) sjvcusa (DOT) org writes:

Dear Raghuji,

Hare Krishna.

You are right, paying for teaching or anything else is very much

there in western society.

So if the saying "what you pay is what you get" is true, than when

you charge for teaching of Vedic sciences you get material knowledge,

not divine knowledge.

So it all depends what you want to get or to give.

Best regards,

Dinanatha Das.

[Guest guest]

Maybe in REALLY OLD TIMES it was the way to NOT charge for work, like

TEACHING, which IS WORK.

 

But nowadays we charge, as people don't donate to brahmins. They don't, not

in the West anyway. If I waited for that I'd be a pile of bones right now.

 

I support teachers who charge for their services. I think it's wise. Hart

Defouw is NOT bad for charging. It's a service he's doing.

 

Myself, I learn from books and thinking. But, I've gotten some things from

teachers in classes at these seminars, SURELY. They need money to fly here,

pay their rent, eat, etc.

 

We DO NOT have to follow the OLD RULES surrounding these divine matters. We

have to follow the MODERN EQUIVALENTS and finding those out isn't hard, it

comes naturally to the good at heart.

 

GOOD PEOPLE I TELL YOU: DO NOT let these folks who try to contain you and

limit you with old rules, don't let them. KNOW THYSELF, and TO THINE OWN

SELF BE TRUE. We westerners are NOT ALL BAD in our developed cultures and

ways. We charge, we used fixed pricing, and so on. These are cultural

choices which are NOT BAD. They are an evolution of our own cultures and

they work. The reason Jyotish is spreading on Earth today is primarily due

to the efforts of WHITE PEOPLE with their charging and fixed pricing, as

opposed to this constant dickering, some discount, some discount...ad

nauseam.

 

And most of the people who have spread Jyotish to such a degree eat meat,

and drink wine, or at least eat eggs (strict hare krishnas are now gasping

for air at my audacity, but I go ON)

 

These GOOD PEOPLE make love before they're married too!

 

I would NEVER AGAIN do it the other way, the arranged way, and I did it

once, and I will never do it again. (She's a GEM, but the system sucks)

 

So good people, go on knowing that God loves you. You don't have to be

staunch Hindus to be loved by God. You don't have to follow Jesus to be

saved, and you don't have to follow Dinanaths ways to be a Vaisnava or

Vaisnavi, for these things existed before all the Sanctimonious preachers

were born.

 

God bless you all,

 

Das Goravani, President

 

2852 Willamette St, #353

Eugene, OR, 97405, USA-America

Voice: or in America

fax: 541-343-0344

 

 

http://www.DancingMoonInc.com

[Guest guest]

I don't have my astro programs here but is there some jupiter (guru/religion)

and Mars (war) transit going on sparking these lively discussions right now?

<grin>

 

Renee

[Guest guest]

Right now Jupiter and Venus are squaring each other, both in great strength.

This is somewhat indicative of the two kinds of Brahmins at a bit of a

struggle point. It may sound ludicrous to some, but in this age, Shukra has

a bit more say and play, because, so much love and mercy is needed, to pull

people up. The staunch judgementalism prone in Jupiter has to give way a bit

so that the "market" (a libra thing) can be reached (something Venus can do,

but Jupiter has a harder time with it).

 

This is one take, perhaps an immature one, I don't know (nor care), as I am

practicing what I preach, which is, to mine own self and understanding I

stay true.

 

Peace

 

r

[Guest guest]

Oh....thanks Das:o) I have this natally. Jupiter in 10th sq Venus on Asc. Ok

I get it.

 

Me

 

>>> 10/02/02 04:57PM >>>

 

 

Right now Jupiter and Venus are squaring each other, both in great strength.

This is somewhat indicative of the two kinds of Brahmins at a bit of a

struggle point. It may sound ludicrous to some, but in this age, Shukra has

a bit more say and play, because, so much love and mercy is needed, to pull

people up. The staunch judgementalism prone in Jupiter has to give way a bit

so that the "market" (a libra thing) can be reached (something Venus can do,

but Jupiter has a harder time with it).

 

This is one take, perhaps an immature one, I don't know (nor care), as I am

practicing what I preach, which is, to mine own self and understanding I

stay true.

 

Peace

 

r

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

 

 

 

Your use of is subject to

[Guest guest]

Dear Raghuji,

 

Hare Krishna.

 

You are right, paying for teaching or anything else is very much

there in western society.

So if the saying "what you pay is what you get" is true, than when

you charge for teaching of Vedic sciences you get material knowledge,

not divine knowledge.

 

So it all depends what you want to get or to give.

 

Best regards,

Dinanatha Das.

[Guest guest]

Jupiter the Deva Guru has set his eyes through Mercury his constelation

lord.

So it is all Projected Wisdom taking the lead through the tacts of Mercury

from heart.

 

Venus on the other hand trying to be Jupiter at heart, moving through

Jupiter constelation and offending to exalted Jupiter , who is a confused

mercury inside (retr and combust).

 

But Jupiter will remain in Mercury constelation for a long time. Expect

these chaos again , a fight between commercilisation of wisdom and position

of exaltation.

 

Inder Jit Sahni

 

> Oh....thanks Das:o) I have this natally. Jupiter in 10th sq Venus on

Asc. Ok I get it.

>

> Me

>

> >>> 10/02/02 04:57PM >>>

>

>

> Right now Jupiter and Venus are squaring each other, both in great

strength.

> This is somewhat indicative of the two kinds of Brahmins at a bit of a

> struggle point. It may sound ludicrous to some, but in this age, Shukra

has

> a bit more say and play, because, so much love and mercy is needed, to

pull

> people up. The staunch judgementalism prone in Jupiter has to give way a

bit

> so that the "market" (a libra thing) can be reached (something Venus can

do,

> but Jupiter has a harder time with it).

>

> This is one take, perhaps an immature one, I don't know (nor care), as I

am

> practicing what I preach, which is, to mine own self and understanding I

> stay true.

>

> Peace

> r

[Guest guest]

It is a bullshit to say that Brahmins were not charging at Vedic times,

Rather they were responsibility of the society and they were in no need to ask/

charge for their needs in those times.

 

Astrologers were appointed in the King's Court and they were not for the general Public.

Kings in turn gave them property of such worth that they never bothered about

the bread of their family.

So they were free from the work of bread earning for their families and have

abundance of time for learning and giving.

 

Even the qualification of questioner as prescribed in scriptures is ,

Answer to those who submit before you and request to you placing before you ,

fruits flowers and the things of respect.

 

Refusing to those or ignoring to those amounts to sin, whom you feel are needy

and are down trodden and are asking you to help.

Never answer to those who came to test you or are a student of another Guru, or

they don't want to regard you intentionally.

 

So it all involves paying , in this kind or that.

 

But Astrologers are not suppose to do busyness, that is they shall not

overcharge , or it shall not look like busyness, but they have a right to earn

their bread.

 

But now few people take it another way,

 

Give it free to me and you earn your bread by begging.

 

Regards,

Inder Jit Sahni

House No. 1351-HIG, Model Town, Phase-1, Bhatinda-151001

Pb.<India>hanskpvedic

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Jiabbot (AT) cs (DOT) com

gjlist

Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:40 AM

Re: [GJ] Re: Out with the old, in with the new

Dear Dinanatha Das,Non-dual reasoning is mighty subtle. The belief that the

material is irreconcilably separate from the divine, is, I submit, much of

what's destroying our world now.On the other hand, the simplistic belief that

they're the same thing completes the job!It's not possible to buy sacred

doctrine. The philospher D.G. Leahy argues that the deterioriation of Western

philosophy commences with the effort on the part of philosophers after Aquinas

(Descartes et al.) to try to reach the pinnacle of reality after chucking out

sacred doctrine. Doesn't work. That much is obvious; what doesn't seem

obvious to me is that the Divine breath and touch should be incapable of

sneaking into purely "material" situations and beautifully overturn lives --

simply because we *simply must* nkeep the immanent and the transcendent

segregated.It's possible to thinkone is paying money for something with which

one connects in a superficial way -- and then get zapped by the lovely Goddess

called the Jyotir Vidya. Yeah, guy, she's a goddess -- a lady --does that then

make her Maya and unholy? With respect to money, Lakshmi connected to House 2

as Goddess Fortuna or lady luck is someone/something we must be careful with.

If we don't want to handle or finger $ "herself", we need to make sure we have

an associate, minister, bodyguard etc. who does know how to do this: court her,

serenade her, make love to her. The alternative is always disastrous.How money

is "handled" by any of us, brahmachari or giggolo, is the rubber-meets-the-road

test of one's grasp of the shapeliness and nuances of spiritual poetics or

aesthetics. And I will argue to my last breath that it is *impossible* to meet

Radha-Krishna, Shiva-Shakti, Yahweh-Shekhina, Chakrasamvara-Vajrayogini -- *and*

they're all the *same* primordial reality in primordial coitus!! -- without

courting and learning to nourish the intermediate dimension of imagination,

artistic fervor and deep aesthetics.Sarva mangalam,J. I. Abbot In a message

dated 10/2/2002 8:22:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, gjlist (AT) sjvcusa (DOT) org writes:

Dear Raghuji,Hare Krishna.You are right, paying for teaching or anything else is

very much there in western society. So if the saying "what you pay is what you

get" is true, than when you charge for teaching of Vedic sciences you get

material knowledge, not divine knowledge.So it all depends what you want to get

or to give.Best regards,Dinanatha Das.Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare

Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of

is subject to the

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

Dinanatha Das i am fully agree with your statement and

those who have divine knowledge they have all the

material world if they desire for it but there

desires then become limited ones and they are

satisfied with thema and that is called Santhosh

 

best wishes

 

Tarun Chopra

--- Dinanatha <gjlist wrote:

> Dear Raghuji,

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> You are right, paying for teaching or anything else

> is very much

> there in western society.

> So if the saying "what you pay is what you get" is

> true, than when

> you charge for teaching of Vedic sciences you get

> material knowledge,

> not divine knowledge.

>

> So it all depends what you want to get or to give.

>

> Best regards,

> Dinanatha Das.

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat

> Sat

> :

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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