shanti..

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Jyotisha, Gurus & all,

I hope I am not offending Raghu, b ut need to clear the air about

many issues.

 

The events following the recent announcement made my myself have

been quite a learning experience and only confirm the teachings of

our Param Guru Sri Achyuta Dasa (please read some of the articles on

the Janaka shadakshara mantra, Vrindavati sadhana etc if you have not

read them). As Narasimha has correctly pointed out, the Parampara

and the Organisation are separate like the Satya Peetha (Lagna) and

the Maya (Arudha). The Satya or the Parampara exists all the time and

cannot be destroyed. What is 'created or destroyed' is the Arudha.

Eversince we started teaching, we have had the desire to have a new

Arudha (Vehicle or body) for carrying forward the teachings in an

organised manner and for which purpose we have spoken to different

persons, requested help and have also given certain responsibilities.

The Arudha is the Sri Jagannath Vedic Center which was created in

India in 1998 and finally came into being in 2001 in the form of a

Trust registered with the Government of India at Delhi. Being the

vehicle (Rath) or Jagannath, this is large enough to carry all in it.

It is important to understand that ages back Sri Achyuta Dasa had

also created such centers called Gaddi (in oriya meaning

seats/centers of learning). The Guru being the representive head of

the Satya Peetha (Lagna) was not allowed to have anything to do with

the Maya Peetha (AL) which was normally looked after/headed by one of

the senior Sisya. The Guru would concern himself with the Major

activity of the propagation of knowledge and the admission and exit

of people into the Center. The entire management of the Center rested

with the other head. In similar lines, we have nothing to do with the

creation or running of these Centers and have given the

responsibility to others. One such responsibility was given to

Dinanath Das who with the help of Kusa Devi was to form SJVC in the

USA.

 

It was but natural that when the formation of this was taking an

inordinately long time, we decided to request Sri Brendan Feeley to

organise this. Being a very able organiser, Brendan immediately

organised the East Coast & West Coast conferences with the help of

Lakshmi Devi (Lynn Kary). They have proved their abilities beyond an

iota of doubt and the correct thing is to allow them to be the

President & Secretary of the Arudha (Vehicle) i.e. SJVC or SJC or

whatever name that you wish to name the vehicle, my only request

being to retain 'Sri Jagannath..in the begining'. On the other hand,

with the blessings of Sri Jagannath, Kusa Devi has become the head of

the Hawaii temple and that is a full time responsibility. She is

working hard to spread the Mahamantra, a task which befits her

spiritual development and sincerity. It would not be in the best

interests of either ISKCON or us that we request her to look after

SJVC. Her husband, Sruta Kirti Maharaj has served Srila Prabhupada

for many many years and was kind enough to be the President of SJVC

when the organisation was being set up. He is not knowledgable in

Jyotish but is very spiritually evolved. Dinanath is the secretary of

SJVC. Thus, there are two issues - One of the Administrative

structure and the second of the Teaching structure.

 

SJVC has also been growing by the day and it was not possible for

us to screen, examine and decide about the Jyotish Gurus throughout

the world. So, we delegated these tasks to (a) Sri Robert Koch

(a.k.a. Patraka Das) for the western region comprising North & South

America and (b) Pearl Finn for Europe. The Guru is responsible for

ensuring that the learning of Jyotish proceeds without hindrance,

that a decent atmosphere prevails in all the forum where this is

taught, and that there are competent Jyotisha, designated as Jyotish

guru, who shall teach the subject. Mere knowledge of te subject mater

is sufficient for a person to qualify to teach the subject and when

this is done, he is normally given the mantra and becomes a Jyotish

guru. The Jyotish Guru is expected to recite the (specific Gayatri)

mantra every day and there are other conditions that will enable them

to be good teachers. However, the Guru nominated by us for the

regions are expected to guide the Jyotish Guru's in matters of

conflict, differing opinions on the subject and maintain a healthy

atmosphere for learning. Although they have no role to play in the

administration of SJVC, they have to be a part of the 'legal' setup

which is necessary as per prevailing laws in each region. SJVC can

only be a non-profit organisation and is secular in the positive

sense of the word i.e. belief in God and encourages spirituality.

 

The President and Secretary are to be the real executives of

SJVC, and perhaps, as Narasimha had pointed out, there should be a

treasurer who shall be responsible for audit and financial

management. Thus, for the (a) USA, the President & Secretary shall be

Dr.Brendan Feeley & Lakshmi Devi respectively, and for (b) Ireland,

the President & Secretary(s) shall be John and Fiona & Helen

respectively.

 

The Problem definition:

Problem ariese out of the perception of what the Jyotish Guru

should be doing. The Jyotish Guru is supposed to teach Jyotish and

not involve in administrative matters unless he is explicitly

directed by the Guru to do so. In thi9s context, long back we had

asked Dinanath to setup the organisation. Having done so, and on my

request, he should step down and hand this over to the ones who have

been chosen for the purpose so that we all benefit from their

administrative abilities. Problem arises when the perception changes

and the realisation is lost that the SJVC is the vehicle for the

Parampara and not vice versa just like ISKCON being the vehicle for

the Mahamantra and not vice versa. The Mahamantra does not depend on

ISKCON and this should be realised. The mantra continues to exist in

perpetuity as it is an integral part of Satya Peetha and is the Yuga

Nivarana Mantra (I shall write about this when translating the works

of Achyuta Dasa).

 

We had been advised that there can be separate organisations

registered for each state just as it was done for ISKCON, so that if

one is sued, the others do not have to pay. See how much the church

has to pay for lack of this legal foresight. Srila Prabhupada had

also agreed to this. Based on the name of Prabhupada, I had agreed

initially, but then this is grossly wrong. If a person representing

the organisation is getting sued for misdeed, then th organisation

should ake the responsibility of not having handled this properly or

not having had strict rules about its functioning. Just because there

is a loophole in the law does not mean that we should exploit it. I

have been a lawmaker in India for many years working with major

structural reforms in the economy and cannot agree to this any

further. If someone representing the organisation has done a misdeed,

then the organisation has to accept the responsibility. Hence we have

to be very careful about certification etc, for which the executive

officers of SJVC shall be responsible. Srila Prabhupada did not

forsee how some of the temple presidents have 'run away' with the

temples and would never have agreed to this if he had the time and

inclination for deep thought into these legalities. Prabhupada was

immersed in Krishna consciousness and the Arudha had little meaning

for such a realised soul. Let us learn spirituality from him and not

administration. Learn Jyotish from us and not other things.

 

'Every saint had a past and every sinner has a future' has been

one of our fundamental teachings. Sri Robert Koch was not convinced

as to why he should not charge for the services like teaching that he

renders. It seems most logical from the western viewpoint for money

for work. However, the teaching, if done in the Parampara implies a

sacred transmission of knowledge called 'Paraa Vidya' which is

different from Aparaa Vidya. The purity (Niranjana) is lost if there

is any touch of rajas or tamas in this transmission and neither can

the teacher teach properly nor is the sisya going to learn properly.

Predictions will fail, understanding will be lacking, genuineness and

compassion will be absent and the most holy relationship of Guru-

Sisya shall be lost. Parampara is not a group or gang or class in any

form or manner, nor can there be any time limit to the learning

process. It has to be a natural pace. Parampara means ONLY THREE -

Sisya (Student), Guru (Teacher) and Ista (God). Thus, none other is

there in the picture - no father, mother, brother, friends,

colleagues..nobody at all. This is a very clear and simple picture to

visualise and this link alone matters. The rest is all asat or the

illusion of the Arudha. I will give the detailed writings of Sri

Achyuta Das on this at a later date.

 

When we visited the USA and discussed this and so many things

with Sri Robert Koch and others, they all agreed to teach free of

cost, so where is the question of charging fees etc? There is

unanimity in this issue and there is no need to throw brickbats at

anyone. In any case, learned people in a democratic nation will never

agree to your view point if you throw brick bats at them. This has to

be reasoned calmly and gradually accepted. Dinanath was not the first

one to raise this issue, and Narasimha had done so earlier. On my

advise, he had decided to wait. People need time to think over the

new knowledge, advise etc, and this seeps in gradually. It cannot

happen overnight, especially for older people. I believe that simple

because someone like Dinanath was not kept informed does not mean

that Robert is wrong. He does not have to give an explanation to

anyone.

 

Dinanath:

To respect elders and not to humilate a lady (especially in

public) is a sign of a gentleman. There was no need for Dinanath to

do this and hence, he was expelled from SJVC, whether this has been

carried out or not is to be checked from Kusa Devi. There are other

things that have been done which are quite shocking to say the least.

The reasons for this can be traced to his chart and the curse of

maternal uncle therein (Chart attached). Those who attended my

lectures at the West Coast will be able to easily see this. Mercury

is in debility ans is afflicted by Saturn & Rahu (Graha dristi).

curse is complete. Neecha bhanga and redemption from curse comes due

to Guru in Lagna. Parasara teaches that the ONLY waay out is to

worship Sri Vishnu, which I believe he is doing. He is runing Rahu

dasa Mercury antardasa (Moon Vimsottari) and in the Moola Dasa, the

dasa is of Rahu. Please get the tapes/CDs on my lectures on Curses,

remedial measures and Moola dasa to understand the implications

clearly.

 

Many people were wondering as to why the Guru's are all quiet.

Well, this was done on our request that a tit-for-tat is not called

for and this is our opportunity to actually show that we deserve to

be called Guru's. We must exercise constraint realising that here is

a troubled soul, who just like us has taken rebirth due to a curse,

and has to face terrible hostility from his colleagues (Mercruy -

relations, colleagues etc) due to a curse from the last incarnation.

If we cannot understand this, who else will? In fact Narasimha & I

have had a very detailed discussion on his chart, the present Tithi

pravesh etc. You can examine this and exchange views if you wish, but

please remember that this is and shall continue to be an ASHRAM.

 

What is not-at-all surprising is that Dinanath threatened legal

action if the CDs or tapes of our teachings are sold! Please note

that the one person who shall benefit the most from this knowledge is

he himself, and he is stopping it or rather Buddha Mahagraha is

stopping the remedy from reaching him. In any case, the teachings

cannot be stopped even if the CDs are. I hope Kusa Devi is able to

set things right as administration is a painful task and hate to

trouble her when she already has a much better work of handling the

Hawaii temple. Nobod is running away with any funds or donations.

These funds will be accounted for and such accounts will be

submitted, after audit to the government regulatory authority in the

country, be it India, USA or Ireland for the present. The accounts

will also be circulated among the Jyotish Guru's in the Vyasa E-list

for Jyotish Gurus. Donaors will have the privilege of seeing the

accounts. We have nothing to hide, at least being Jyotisha's, we know

that nothing is hidden from Him. So, what is the point in trying to

hide.

 

We have clearly stated our views and have also given the clear

reasons for the same. If someone thinks that they can run away with

the Arudha and the Lagna shall follow, sorry this does not happen.

Another Arudha starts. One Arudha follows another just like we

discard an old car and buy another, but Satya never changes. We have

left it to Kusa Devi to do the needful and hope that this is done

failing which another Arudha can be registered and the good work can

continue. Sri Brendan Feeley shall keep you informed about the

developments in this regard. We hope the Cds and other reading

material can be made available at an early date for the benefit of

all.

 

Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti

Sanjay Rath

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Tel:+91-11-2713201, Web: http://srath.com

[Guest guest]

Hello List and Sanjay

 

I have read your letter Sanjay. Thanks for clarifying.

 

I have some suggestions for everyone about these kinds of things.

 

Firstly, you must understand that I understand business very well. I

understand the legal system surrounding corporations, products, copyrights,

libel, slander, etc., very well,in fact.

 

So, with that self proclaimed right to speak spoken:

 

 

As soon as you have anything real, say a product, money, fame, etc., there

will always be someone who will try to benefit from that, ie, take it from

you, eat your lunch, sue you, etc. This is nearly automatic.

 

To protect oneself, it has to be done in advance.

 

The key here is ownership. Ownership is a terribly tricky thing. We are in

the British/American legal system presently, so we have to work via that. As

that is what others will be working through against us.

 

Don't personally own anything. Allow Trusts to own, corporations to manage.

This prevents personal ownership. The American Business Trust Organization,

a type of paper entity, can OWN things, and is impenetrable if managed

properly. No lawyer can see it's assetts, nor can they drag that entity into

court very easily AT ALL. America itself is one of these, as is the Federal

Reserve, etc. All big businesses are these types of entities. As fronts,

they are managed by corporations, which can interact in society, whereas the

trust cannot.

 

But to speak more plainly for those not needing to go there, and given the

present situation:

 

Simply make replications in other forms, with other voices, just by

re-narrating what's on these CD's. Just switch it. Someone who is not

politically involved can suddenly "make products" and voila, out they go...

 

Let anyone tie up assetts in BS battles as long as they want, the thing just

manifests somewhere else.... duh....

 

In other words, nobody can stop anything. It just moves and renames itself,

like when Verner Erhards "EST" became "The Forum" due to the lawsuit of "a

wife".

 

Also, I really have to question, no matter what the motivation, correctness,

rightness, rights, abilities, involved, the revealing of the downfalls in

anyone's chart publicly. That is like a curse for life. For life people will

think of individual this way. And it really serves nothing.

 

As for saying "if not us, who, shall USE and mention astrology in this way",

to that I say this:

 

If anyone IS an ASTROLOGER here present, then they should know that ALL

things are in charts. To USE astrology to PROVE that a certain person is the

SNAKE, the WRONG ONE, can easily be argued from other angles. I think we

probably cannot go there, without ending in total silence, pain, enemies,

shutdown. I think that's a very bad path. To USE astrology to back who is

who here. We can subtly suggest, but to make it seem TOTALLY RIGHT, what any

of us says, is to me, not correct, no matter who we are, no matter how well

respected or known.

 

But Astrologers should know that ALL that goes on is for all our good

ultimately, also it is in the oneness, it is predetermined, and is a rich

set of lessons for all involved.

 

Anyone who knows laws and courts knows that there are no winners and losers

until all the appeals are finished, which takes years, costs THOUSANDS, and

is a total nightmare that ruins your life during that period, in constant

stress and anxiety, much like a millionaire vested in the American Stock

Market today.

 

Bottom line, what I really want to say:

 

Individuals should make things, offer things, in this field, and keep it

simply like that. Only when you try to make LARGE ORGANIZATIONS do you

encounter any of these kinds of things.

 

If you MUST have an organization for handling of classes, money, etc., which

I think is the case here:

 

Then it should be done by the persons who profit from it. Proprietorship

turns sand into gold, and makes a person motivated. This is why America is

big- proprietorship turns sand into gold and creates MOTIVATION.

 

What we seem to have here is a person is feeling ripped off. That's how it's

looking to me. I know the person is white, thus feels like a White Person,

doesn't generally do stuff for free. The person might be feeling ripped off.

When things switch from profit (even in their mind) to communism (due to the

idea arising that 'it shall now be altruisitc, this project'), then the

original 'owners', even if only in their own minds, will of course, freak

out.

 

The problem there is that they did not define the entity as profitable and

impenetrable to themselves beforehand. Again, they did not do it right up

front. From the sounds of it, I'd say, somebody feels ripped off, and is so

mad, they are going a bit berserk. This is the picture being presented.

 

I never joined ACVA, never got approved, and never will. I think

priesthoods, sampradayas, teachings, and so on, are related to individuals,

and as soon as groups do it, it becomes stupid, and this kind of stuff

happens. In the end, it was simply Dennis Harness who really was ACVA. He is

ACVA. The rest are accessories to his decisions, ultimately. There is always

a King. It's irrefutable cosmic law.

 

Everyone should think carefully what THEY WANT out of a thing, and WHY they

are doing what they are doing, and NOT be involved unless it is going to get

them what they want. Do not DONATE too much, and especially NEVER in a mood

of getting something back. If you want something back, be honest, and make a

contract on paper. Don't THINK someone will HONOR YOU. Rather, get it clear,

on paper, ahead of time.

 

If you DONATE, that is 12th house.... ie,... A LOSS and it should be so,

that's why it's 4th from the 9th, you are GIVING to the "home of God and

Guru", ie, making a donation to a Church, a Sampradaya.

 

So when things are not defined, then they change, this kind of thing

happens.

 

I learned from books, I had no Guru, and have no certificates, yet I am

valuable, and useful, and I do service. It's about sincerity. Why should

there be an insincere Jyotishi? If you are a Rakshaka and think "Oh I want

to protect people by having certifications, and then people will know who is

good..."

 

 

Sorry, ACVA does that, and guess what, they approve everyone, can't turn

anyone down... could you imagine, ACVA DENYING someone their certification?

 

It would create a political nightmare if the person had an ego, and believe,

in this field, there's PLENTY.

 

I know people who bought the program from me one day, and told me they knew

NOTHING, and 2 months later I see ads in Hinduism Today wherein they say

"Master So and So..."

 

 

Master?

 

 

Ego is key in some people's lives, and lieing too, and they have no

restraint.

 

If ACVA or SJVC turns one of these away, they will put your group down

forever, and confusion will set in anyway.

 

Better to keep it all real, and materilistic, and modern.

 

Like, if Laksmi does the footwork for a conference, then it's HER

conference, and she has to PAY the BILLS and REEP the PROFITS if any. That

is capitalism, and it works. It's worked for me. I have no co-owners, nobody

to answer to, nada. It's up to me, as corporate president and executive

trustee, to make the decisions, and get things done.

 

I tell people therefore: Market me, and keep the money. Of course, I take

something somehow, tolive... but let there be capitalism, it's SOOOO much

easier.

 

I suggest people who love Sanjay just do something with it. Never mind

organizations. Robert should write, and teach, and sell himself that way...

as a knower of Sanjay's stuff... If it works, and people like his lessons,

word will naturally spread. No matter how much crap people fling at me or

back at me, my record and program are there, speaking loud and clear.

 

Let Laksmi do things, Robert do things, anybody, whatever. The approval

process only creates little robots. It's silly. The same people will go from

organization to organization seeking titles and approvals. Let them just

offer something and the world will judge their services. And karma will

prevail. People ask me who is good, and I tell them to search, listen to

their heart, and let God lead them.... GOODBYE

 

You see. That's my way of trusting in Jyotish.

 

We here have to consider now that this is getting so much airtime, perhaps

maybe Dinanath got ripped off. Maybe he feels ripped off.

 

There are simply bad people. I know. I've dealt with issues with them before

as well. True, they exist, really mean spirited people with no restraint,

will do anything to achieve their ends, which are rooted in unjustness of

their own creation. I do not know enough to comment on the current

situation. I have seen a picture, and was not happy with the sharp lines

seen there, of one person seen in the picture I saw. Please be subtle and

hear me. I see such things instantly.

 

I hope that individuals will take what is good, make products, lessons,

websites, whatever, but organizing a non-profit, is a sure way to bring the

thing down, just as ISKCON brings Krishna to the masses, and ruins it too.

It's better just for individuals to offer what quality services they can

offer themselves, and leave it at that. Similarly, if someone person wants

to run and benefit from SJVC's spread in the West, then let them do that

from a corporation and trust. There is NO NEED to use NON-PROFITS at ALL.

 

THEY ARE GARBAGE PAPER ENTITIES, totally under the control of the

government, sueable, lousy, in every way.

 

Form your corporation in Oregon, and pay no sales tax, charge no sales tax,

that's the only benefit of a non-profit to anybody, to ANYBODY.

 

Be smart, there are ways to achieve your goals, which leave nobody hurt,

nobody bleeding, nobody feeling cheated, and those involved get the

compensation they need and deserve. Nobody works for free. NOBODY. It's

impossible. THERE MUST BE GIVE AND TAKE.

 

 

So now Jupiter has said some things. As we say, Glories to Guru, well, I am

Guru.

 

 

So I hope it helped. But whatever....

 

I wish peace to those now under so much stress. I wish peace to SJVC.

 

 

 

Dui da, tada, om shanti,

 

 

Das Goravani, President

 

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