Islam and America

[Guest guest]

This is all about America's boots, based in Christian thought, confronting

it's own reflection in Islamic boots.

 

Christianity says "care for all", and we're not doing it as a country, but

we've been blessed and should, but we're not. The disenfranchised child, the

muslim, is reacting. I can understand.

 

When I look at the overall message of all of this, I see simply that we are

being forced to own up to our own legacy, that of caring and giving charity

to the poor, but mainly, showing genuine care for others.

 

Before we decided to take their oil, they were poor by comparison. All the

wealth of the mideast, the bulk of it, comes from that we take from them.

Bin Laden knows this. It's a key point. We take from them. If it were not

so, we would dig up all our own oil, which we say is "too expensive". Many

oil wells in America sit idle, unused, while we drain their fields because

"it's cheaper", just as slaves are cheaper.

 

We also do the same in other places, using labor and goods which are

"cheaper".

 

I myself have a problem with foreign cheap labor. I don't use it. I could

have programming done in India for less, but I won't. I realize the

imbalances and pollution this causes. People have to stand on their own,

countries too. Now we have so many professional Indians who just want to

come here, other countries too, causing brain drain there. The reason for

WWII in the pacific was such dependency, and it's still there. Without

America, Japan's economy is over. This is not good.

 

On another more important note: The morality and ethics of religion are the

world over standing against gross materialism. Spirituality and religion are

against the wanton ways of American business. By allowing ourselves to be

that way, total business mavens without constraints, we are being the most

irreligious and unspiritual of all nations. This is true, and it's obvious,

and it shows.

 

Bin Laden and others are reacting to this. They are the holy warriors, and I

understand this to a great degree. I am not for violence, but when we ignore

the obvious for so long, violence is bound to begin. America is hated in

many places, including Islamic countries, because it sells MTV to the world.

We sell pornography and pedaphelia as young girls shaking their booties on

TV, to everyone. We should not do so. This greatly offends the Islamic mind,

and I understand.

 

One Irish songwriter, Christy Moore, sings in "Natives":

 

Only the very safe, can talk about wrong and right

but of those who are forced to choose, some will choose to fight

by the touch of a strangers hand, innocence turns to shame

the spirit that dwealt within, then slips out in the rain

 

I get it. I hope you do too.

 

We are forcing them to choose between their religion and doing business with

us. Since we are FORCING them to do business with us, some are choosing to

fight. It's the voice of their religion attacking, nothing more.

 

 

To speak of how to fight this war against Saddam and Laden is to talk after

the real facts. Pres Bush is a puppet of materialism, to say the least and

most obvious fact. Those like him who think like him are replications of all

the worst leaders of world history. They are not spiritual, not giving, not

caring, and are just the old form of the exploitive Anglo Saxxon mode, the

take over and crush mentality. It has no feelings.

 

GWB is the bad karma of America ripened into a boil head. When he pops, the

world will be covered in puss and blood, as it's a really huge boil.

 

We talk about him gassing "his own people". Look, what did we do to American

Indians? What did we do to Hiroshima? What did we do in Nicaraqua, Africa,

Phillipines, Asia, everywhere. Where have we not bombed and killed huge

amounts of people in "clean up" and other such actions? Iraq pales by

comparison in such exploits. Saddam/Laden have courage, that's all, to stand

up for what many muslims feel worldwide- total anger at the immorality and

unspirituality of our nation as a whole.

 

I have not watched TV or movies in years. I have not missed much. But this

is the focus of our culture- television and "entertainment", which is always

highly full of illicit sex, meaning, sex outside of religious norms, such as

marriage. This is highly offensive to the Islamic ideal, and to our own

Christian ideals, and to Hindu ideals, and so on. As a country, led by

businessmen with no morals, we are incurring gobs of bad karma, and of

course, the wrath of the religious on Earth. Strip Girls, college girls, in

America, all over, get money from showing their bodies to men. They do not

like these men, they "do it for the money". This is the basis of much of our

business these days. Any good looking girl can earn lots of money showing

her body, and many do it. Plastic tits are EVERYWHERE in Los Angeles, for

example. This is the thing. We have FAKE motherhood going on. It's plastic,

not real, and it's hurting the world. Dupont is a chemical company, and it

sells FAKE TITS to our own girls. This is VERY WRONG by Gods standards, by

Christian standards, Islamic standards, Hindu standards. Remove the fake.

 

I do not condone violence, but saying that their terrorism is worse than

ours is very wrong. We go in at night with Stealth bombers and wreak havoc

wherever we like. Anyone involved in the creation of such planes, such

weapons, and deploying them, servicing them, and all their relatives and

relations, are all due a karmic debt as if they are terrorists.

 

Imagine you are asleep with your children in Iraq, and suddenly there are

explosions that kill your friends or family. Your own army can do nothing to

prevent it. Nothing meets our martial superiority. So, they take to other

measures. This is war, not terrorism, and it's a holy war, where they are

fighting for religious principles more than we are, by far. I dare say we

stand on the wrong side.

 

If we paid them for their oil what we would have to pay ourselves for our

own oil, then things would be quite different. We are not paying the proper

price for what we take from the world, so the world is coming begging, and

then ultimately, fighting.

 

In America, you can buy coffee beans of course. In Eugene, some coffee costs

more, and is labeled under a certain label, which states that the extra

money goes to ensure that the farms for the beans, all located in South

American countries like Columbia, are paid extra so that they can "do it

right", ie, not underpay their workers, as is the norm.

 

In South America, things are grown with sprays which are poisonous. Many

workers there work all day in a rain cloud of poisons that we invented, and

then outlawed in our own country. These workers are getting cancer and

dieing in large numbers at early ages, but happy American's go on buying the

produce. Again, it's IMMORAL business to blame. We are literally showing

them how to die, for us, for our consumption, and providing the poisons, the

profits, the incentive, everything. They have no choice. We have dismantled

their natural cultures and economical systems by going in, like Rome,

setting up dependecies, providing the means for the pain, then withdrawing

to a safe distance, and letting them kill themselves for our cup of coffee.

This is karma to the extreme. We should STOP IT.

 

If you are such a businessman, it's up to YOU to make sure you do not do

such things. The first point person is the main karmic bearer. Any

businessperson who sets up such bad conduct, is seriously in karmic error

and karmic debt. This is passed onto all his customers, you and me. This

must come back eventually.

 

Thus, I can say assuredly, that we are gassing many. We are slaughtering

many innocents, every day, people who are poor, needy, and way beneath us in

material pleasure, and we go on as if nothing is happening. This will come

back. It's not terrorism when they send us poison in the mail, it's due

karmic reward.

 

At least Jyotishi's should see it this way. I cannot understand how a

Jyotishi could be so insensitive as to think that America is under attack.

It's not. It's under reward. This is due reward. GWB is leading us into more

and worse karmic debt and awful karmic reward. He is our enemy.

 

If I were him, I would ask, everyday, that everyone in America attend prayer

services at Islamic temples, or in city squares, to make peace with Muslims

worldwide, and then, to more important matters, go on to begin to visibly

and really regulate our external business matters, ie, "foreign affairs",

such that it is truly fair. Until you pay the full price for a thing, you

still owe. If you think you don't, then it's called "bad karma waiting to

come back at you".

 

These are my opinions only, and subject to modification by further learning.

I am ignorant of many things, so that matters and affects my thoughts.

 

Thank you for your time. Peace on Earth is easy to achieve, but only if we

are not selfish over others, our equals, our brothers.

 

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