Saddam Hussein

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Dear Cynthia

Thanks for getting some astro dialogue going .

I'll use 8.55 A. M for consistency .

Regardless of which time Mars MD will soon be operating indicating 6th house type events .

He has just gone through a Rahu return so it is no wonder he is having a stressful year .

I have found that Venus retrograde is not good for relationships and that in

women's cases it is associated with frigidity .

With Moon Mars and Rahu in the 6th in Scorpio you have in Saddam a man obsessed

with anger at his enemies .

I haven't done enough work on eclipses to comment on what the effect of the

upcoming one will be on Saddam but the last one also fell on sensitive points

in the Iraq chart .

I made a prediction a while ago that Iraq as it is would collapse based on the

Iraqi chart within a year of the midyear(2002) eclipse .

Cheers

Nicholas

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cynthia novak

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Sunday, September 22, 2002 9:53 AM

Re: [GJ] Republican Congressman Dr. Ron Paul

I have 8:55am, supposedly given by his mother. There is another time of 10:30

that another astrologer told me she uses...a western astrologer. I have date

of birth April 28, 1957 8:55am Tikrit Iraq. This shows Mars MD begins on

October 12th or 15th.

 

He has been Moon Sun period. Notice Moon with Rahu and MArs in the 6th and Moon

lord of maraka 2nd. Sun lord of the 3rd.

 

Did you know that Mars had just passed over the Moon, Rahu and Mars a few weeks

before the nerve gas was released upon the Kurds? I really am concerned about

the mans perceptions with this chart. Does not seem to be any compassion or

even reflection. I know that age changes things, but I've heard that he has

two sons that are even more brutal. Here Venus is lord of the 5th, retrograde

but exalted in Pisces at 28 degrees. I've seen these Venus's be very

compassionate or very detached from others. I've seen the retrograde Venus

indicate a person who cannot feel love, or rather struggles tofeel love or to

get enough love. It can be overcome, but this retrograde seems to be pretty

problematic without a lot of spiritual worked as well as relationship work to

understand that others need love too.

 

If your time is correct that moon is even closer to Rahu and so to the eclipse

on Dec. 4th. Any ideas what that eclipse might bring?

 

The eclipse path is across Australia and the southern part of Africa. Still, I

find it interesting that he invade Kuwait on an eclipse and we began bombing

Iraq on an eclipse.

 

please, all join the discussion.

 

c

 

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Saturday, September 21, 2002 4:13 PM

Re: [GJ] Republican Congressman Dr. Ron Paul

Dear Cynthia

What time do you use for Saddam ?

I use 9.30 AM giving a 19 degree Gemini rising chart thinking that Ardra

Nakshata fitted .That would have him running Mars Mars since May 2002 and

explains the current dispute .

Kind regards

Nicholas

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cynthia novak

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Saturday, September 21, 2002 3:32 AM

Re: [GJ] Republican Congressman Dr. Ron Paul

Would anyone be interested in a discussion of the transits of SH and GWB? The

one that concerns me the most is SH's natal Moon hemmed in between Rahu and

Mars retrograde. This was transited by Mars just before Iraq began attacking

the Kurds. If anyone caught the Wide Angle program devoted to this on PBS,

there is substantial evidence that he and his administration were well aware of

the destruction the nerve gas would do to this generation and those that would

follow in terms of birth defects and cellular malformations.

 

Did anyone happen to remember that Mars transited and stationed on these

placements in SH's chart through the summer of 2001? Did you notice the

eclipse triggering them on Dec. 2002? Did you notice that Mars again crosses

them Jan. 2003? Anyone want to speculate about this. BTW, time of birth I

posted before was given verbally by his mother when she was talking about her

son's birth. There is another time floating abound of 10:30am.

 

Anyone have any ideas or want to talk about this astrologically? What about the

kala sarpa in the heavens now? TO me it seems that we are grabbed by an idea or

concept and have trouble releasing it each month. I've taken a break from TV

news and turned to online services lest I be grabbed by lower chakra fear with

little content.

 

The biggest concern it that we act too harshly or too late. That is a delicate

tight rope to walk, either way you fall to the ground.

 

To those of you who may see GWB filled with hate, how do you see that in his

chart? I really like his wife and it is obvious that he relies upon her

insights, it is also that he really loves his daughters. THis might have

something to do with his passion. He does seem to treat women well according

to flight attendants who have served him and the obvious attachment to his

long-time aide. Do you think some of this might be a desire for women's rights

where there are few?

 

Just posing some ideas and hoping for astrological discussion.

c

 

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cynthia novak

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Friday, September 20, 2002 7:18 AM

Re: [GJ] Republican Congressman Dr. Ron Paul

Jesse

Never mind, I found it.

c

 

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cynthia novak

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Friday, September 20, 2002 7:13 AM

Re: [GJ] Republican Congressman Dr. Ron Paul

Dear Jesee

What is the source of this? I'd like to know more.

c

 

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Friday, September 20, 2002 12:00 AM

[GJ] Republican Congressman Dr. Ron Paul

Dear friends on the list,I know there are some on GJ List who somehow,

incredibly, think Dubya is doing a decent job. This is simply beyond my

reckoning; nonetheless, I wanted to share the following email, which I found

quite on the mark.Best,Jesse Abbot>Re: Fwd: War in Iraq>>Republican

Congressman Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from>Texas.>>In the

House of Representatives, September 10, 2002:>>>"Soon we hope to have hearings

on the pending war with Iraq. I am concerned>there are some questions that

won't be asked -- and maybe will not even be>allowed to be asked. Here are some

questions I would like answered by>those who are urging us to start this war.>1.

Is it not true that the reason we did not bomb the Soviet Union at the>height of

the Cold War was because we knew they could retaliate?>2. Is it not also true

that we are willing to bomb Iraq now because we>know>it cannot retaliate --

which just confirms that there is no real threat?>3. Is it not true that those

who argue that even with inspections we>cannot>be sure that Hussein might be

hiding weapons, at the same time imply that>we can be more sure that weapons

exist in the absence of inspections?>4. Is it not true that the UN's

International Atomic Energy Agency was>able>to complete its yearly verification

mission to Iraq just this year with>Iraqi cooperation?>5. Is it not true that

the intelligence community has been unable to>develop a case tying Iraq to

global terrorism at all, much less the>attacks>on the United States last year?

Does anyone remember that 15 of the 19>hijackers came from Saudi Arabia and

that none came from Iraq?>6. Was former CIA counter-terrorism chief Vincent

Cannistraro wrong when>he>recently said there is no confirmed evidence of

Iraq's links to terrorism?>7. Is it not true that the CIA has concluded there

is no evidence that a>Prague meeting between 9/11 hijacker Atta and Iraqi

intelligence took>place?>>8. Is it not true that northern Iraq, where the

administration claimed>al-Qaeda were hiding out, is in the control of our

"allies," the Kurds?>9. Is it not true that the vast majority of al-Qaeda

leaders who escaped>appear to have safely made their way to Pakistan, another

of our so-called>allies?>10. Has anyone noticed that Afghanistan is rapidly

sinking into total>chaos, with bombings and assassinations becoming daily

occurrences; and>that according to a recent UN report the al-Qaeda "is, by all

accounts,>alive and well and poised to strike again, how, when, and where

it>chooses.">>11. Why are we taking precious military and intelligence

resources away>from tracking down those who did attack the United States -- and

who may>again attack the United States -- and using them to invade countries

that>have not attacked the United States?>12. Would an attack on Iraq not just

confirm the Arab world's worst>suspicions about the USA?" and isn't this what

bin Laden wanted?>13. How can Hussein be compared to Hitler when he has no navy

or air>force,>and now has an army 1/5 the size of twelve years ago, which even

then>proved totally inept at defending the country?>14. Is it not true that the

constitutional power to declare war is>exclusively that of the Congress? Should

presidents, contrary to the>Constitution, allow Congress to concur only when

pressured by public>opinion? Are presidents permitted to rely on the UN for

permission to go>to>war?>15. Are you aware of a Pentagon report studying

charges that thousands of>Kurds in one village were gassed by the Iraqis, which

found no conclusive>evidence that Iraq was responsible, that Iran occupied the

very city>involved, and that evidence indicated the type of gas used was more

likely>controlled by Iran not Iraq?>16. Is it not true that anywhere between

100,000 and 300,000 US soldiers>have suffered from Persian Gulf War syndrome

from the first Gulf War, and>that thousands may have died?>17. Are we prepared

for possibly thousands of American casualties in a war>against a country that

does not have the capacity to attack the United>States?>18. Are we willing to

bear the economic burden of a 100 billion dollar war>against Iraq, with oil

prices expected to skyrocket and further rattle an>already shaky American

economy? How about an estimated 30 years occupation>of Iraq that some have

deemed necessary to "build democracy" there?>19. Iraq's alleged violations of

UN resolutions are given as reason to>initiate an attack, yet is it not true

that hundreds of UN Resolutions>have>been ignored by various countries without

penalty?>20. Did former President Bush not cite the UN Resolution of 1990 as

the>reason he could not march into Baghdad, while supporters of a new

attack>assert that it is the very reason we can march into Baghdad?>21. Is it

not true that, contrary to current claims, the no-fly zones were>set up by

Britain and the United States without specific approval from the>United

Nations?>22. If we claim membership in the international community and conform

to>its rules only when it pleases us, does this not serve to undermine

our>position, directing animosity toward us by both friend and foe?>23. How can

our declared goal of bringing democracy to Iraq be believable>when we prop up

dictators throughout the Middle East and support military>tyrants like Musharaf

in Pakistan, who overthrew a democratically-elected>president?>24. Are you

familiar with the 1994 Senate Hearings that revealed the U.S.>knowingly

supplied chemical and biological materials to Iraq during the>Iran-Iraq war and

as late as 1992 -- including after the alleged Iraqi gas>attack on a Kurdish

village?>25. Did we not assist Saddam Hussein's rise to power by supporting

and>encouraging his invasion of Iran? Is it honest to criticize Saddam now

for>his invasion of Iran, which at the time we actively supported?>26. Is it

not true that preventive war is synonymous with an act of>aggression, and has

never been considered a moral or legitimate US policy?>27. Why do the oil

company executives strongly support this war if oil is>not the real reason we

plan to take over Iraq?>28. Why is it that those who never wore a uniform and

are confident that>they won't have to personally fight this war are more

anxious for this war>than our generals?>29. What is the moral argument for

attacking a nation that has not>initiated aggression against us, and could not

if it wanted?>30. Where does the Constitution grant us permission to wage war

for any>reason other than self-defense?>31. Is it not true that a war against

Iraq rejects the sentiments of the>time-honored Treaty of Westphalia, nearly

400 years ago, that countries>should never go into another for the purpose of

regime change?>32. Is it not true that the more civilized a society is, the

less likely>disagreements will be settled by war?>33. Is it not true that since

World War II Congress has not declared war>and -- not coincidentally -- we have

not since then had a clear-cut>victory?>>34. Is it not true that Pakistan,

especially through its intelligence>services, was an active supporter and key

organizer of the Taliban?>35. Why don't those who want war bring a formal

declaration of war>resolution to the floor of Congress?>--Om Namo Bhagavate

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